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Overview
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Politoed has an irreplaceable niche of being the only Drizzle user in the metagame, making it the best answer in the game to Mega Charizard Y and other Fire-types. Drizzle confers small benefits to any team, such as preventing chip damage from sandstorm and weakening Fire-type moves. With a vast array of support moves, the above-mentioned advantages, and a powerful Scald, Politoed is a good pick for teams that want a defensive Water-type. In addition, it makes the Water-types, Thunder users, and Swift Swim users that utilize the rain it provides (notably Ludicolo, Mega Ampharos, Mega Manectric, and Kingdra) to some of the best all-out attackers in the tier. Kingdra's Muddy Water also functions as a devastating spread move in rain. However, Politoed's typing is redundant with the other Water-types it aims to support, making it difficult for dedicated rain teams to beat one of the three typings in general: Water, Grass and Dragon.

Rain Setter
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name: Rain Setter
move 1: Scald
move 2: Icy Wind / Encore / Perish Song
move 3: Helping Hand / Encore / Perish Song
move 4: Protect
ability: Drizzle
item: Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
nature: Bold

Moves
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Scald is the main STAB option of choice, with great neutral coverage and a nifty 30% burn chance that can cripple physical attackers. Hydro Pump can be used instead if you prefer power over reliability. For the second and third moveslots, Politoed can viably run any of the following four moves in whatever combination the user wants: Icy Wind, Encore, Perish Song, and Helping Hand. Each move supports the team in a different way. Although Icy Wind doesn't even do satisfactory damage to Grass- and Dragon-types unless it is 4x super effective, the Speed drop for both opponents can be game-changing. Perish Song can be used to force the opponent to make certain plays: for instance, to KO in last-two situations or when you have Mega Gengar, and to force out opponents that use boosting moves or Substitute. Helping Hand is useful to boost the damage of your allies in a pinch and put the opponent under a lot of pressure; it also functions as a good suicide move. Encore is a great move for forcing plays and reducing predictions, as it will neutralize opposing status abusers; setup sweepers; and users of Fake Out, Protect, Tailwind, and Substitute by locking them into the same move for two or more turns. Finally, Protect is used in the last moveslot to shield Politoed from damage, scout for opponent's attacks, and stall out harmful field conditions.

Set Details
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The given EV spread and nature provides maximum physical bulk to Politoed. A physically defensive set is preferred to a specially defensive set, as Politoed's weaknesses are mainly specially attacking types, meaning it is generally better off switching to a teammate that can sponge said special attacks instead of trying to sponge them itself. Leftovers is recommended as it provides continuous passive recovery, instead of being more one-and-done like Sitrus Berry. However, both are viable options.

Usage Tips
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Politoed's objective is usually to provide support for its teammates while also having strong Water-type STAB. Hence, you should try to keep it alive and healthy for as long as possible. When you see that your opponent has many threatening Pokemon that are faster than yours, Icy Wind is a good way to turn the tables against them. Just don't use Icy Wind on Bisharp, as Defiant will result in a painful backlash. If Politoed doesn't have much to damage a Pokemon with, using Scald to fish for a burn can be a decent idea. Helping Hand can be used strategically to boost the damage of a faster teammate, and it is great to help the likes of Kingdra achieve two KOes with one Muddy Water. Encore is preferably used to lock a faster opponent into Substitute or a boosting move, but using it on an attack is not a bad idea either, as this can prevent the use of Protect. For more dedicated rain teams, it is important to play cautiously and keep Politoed alive as long as possible. This also helps for cleaning with Perish Song.

Team Options
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Swift Swimmers such as Ludicolo and Kingdra love rain a lot as they have their STAB options (Hydro Pump and Muddy Water, respectively) boosted. Electric-types can reliably use Thunder under rain, putting much more offensive pressure on the opponent.

As far as synergy is concerned, Pokemon such as Latios and Kyurem-B can handle Grass- and Electric-types and are useful teammates for Politoed. Meanwhile, Pokemon such as Excadrill and Landorus-T appreciate Politoed's ability to switch into Water-type attacks. Additionally, anything that is weak to Fire immediately loves Politoed, due to rain neutralizing their Fire weakness. These include Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Heracross. Finally, teammates that beat bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur without relying on Fire-moves are a necessity for rain teams.

Other Options
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For less dedicated rain teams, Politoed can viably run a Choice Specs set, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump hits extremely hard. Choice Scarf is also an interesting option to get the jump on opponents that would otherwise outspeed and KO Politoed. On more dedicated rain teams, Rain Dance can be used to reset rain turns and also disrupt opposing weather setters. Damp Rock is a great item choice to lengthen the amount of turns of rain on the field.

Politoed has an extremely vast movepool of offensive options, but they don't have nearly enough power to be worth considering on a defensive set. However, offensive sets can use Politoed's coverage options to beat some of its normal switch-ins. Ice Beam can be used to hit Dragon- and Grass-types hard. Focus Blast can be used to deal heavy damage to Tyranitar, but its inaccuracy may be off-putting. Hypnosis is a great utility move to put the opponent to sleep, but is also quite inaccurate. Hidden Power Grass can come in handy against Rotom-W, which otherwise walls Politoed.

Checks & Counters
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**Offensive Typing Advantage**: Grass-types such as Ferrothorn, Shaymin-S, and opposing Ludicolo can take Politoed's STAB attacks with ease and retaliate with their deadly Grass-type STAB. Additionally, opposing Ludicolo can easily switch in and utilize the free rain from Politoed. Thundurus, Zapdos, and Rotom-W can strike Politoed with a powerful Thunderbolt. Furthermore, Rotom-W also resists both of the moves commonly carried by Politoed, and Thundurus has Taunt to shut down Politoed's support moves. Abomasnow doesn't mind Water-type attacks or whatever coverage Politoed commonly carries, and it has Giga Drain or Wood Hammer to deal a huge amount of damage to Politoed. Additionally, it can disrupt Politoed's rain by setting up its own hail.

**Attack Control**: Jellicent completely walls most Politoed, as it's immune to Scald and takes very little from Ice Beam. Amoonguss is a major threat; it can redirect Politoed's moves with Rage Powder, put it to sleep with Spore, hit Politoed super effectively with Giga Drain, and shrug off any damage taken in the process with Regenerator.

**Opposing Weather**: Opposing weather setters such as Tyranitar, Mega Charizard Y, and Abomasnow are extremely annoying due to their own ability to set up their own weather and thus weaken Scald immediately.
 
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Probably one of the best reasons to run Politoed is because it counters Tyranitar, Charizard Y, Heatran and Lando-T! You don't even need a dedicated rain team to use it for that reason. Icy Wind+Helping Hand+making sure sashes don't get broken by sand+weakening fire can make Toed worth running without even having Rain abusers.
Perish Song seems like OO material compared to the other 2, but idk.
Also, Hydro Pump seems OO-worthy even on defensive sets, especially if you opt to not pack other STAB water users.

0 SpA Politoed Icy Wind vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 132-156 (38.9 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Politoed Scald vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T in Rain: 288-342 (84.9 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T in Rain: 390-462 (115 - 136.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Heatran legit can set up Sub on Scald Toeds
0 SpA Politoed Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Rain: 228-270 (59 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Rain: 312-368 (80.8 - 95.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 180 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Rain: 312-368 (84.7 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO(the creep rotom variant)
0 SpA Politoed Scald vs. 180 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Rain: 228-270 (61.9 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 

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damp rock is easily the best item on politoed imo. providing your team with that extra 3 turns can really be crucial if you are running bog rain
this is of course assuming you do not run fire types on your team. in the case that you are running fire types, then i agree with sitrus, and would perhaps suggest wacan in OO.
don't quite agree with statement about countering zard-y. the negative priority of mega-evolution often leads to problems for toed.
example:
turn 1
go charizard!
go politoed!
go teammates
it begins to rain
charizard evolved into charizard-y
it turned sunny
mfw no rain :[

of course you can run rain dance on politoed to re activate rain whenever char-y switches in or turns it sunny. as for the latter case, you still have to take a solar beam before you get to re-activate
for more interesting ev's, you can always run 11 iv's in speed to underspeed min speed ttar. that way you can lead safely against ttar and continue to abuse rain in whatever way you like.
idk if you're supposed to mention this yet or not. also, i'm not part of qc, so take my comments as you will.
 
Overview:
  • Yea you can't say it counters Terrakion and Charizard because they can reset their respective weathers upon mega evolving just say it checks awesomely later game.
  • Everything else is pretty good :)
Set:
  • I would put Perish Song behind Icy Wind (see moves)
Moves:
  • For moves two and three, mention that Politoed can viably run any of those four moves in whatever combination the user wants. Each move supports the team in a different way.
  • I would mention that Icy Wind doesn't even do satisfactory damage to Grass- and Dragon-types unless it is 4X super effective. The main reason is obviously the Speed Drop.
  • Protect also scouts for opponent's attacks and stalls harmful field conditions.
Set Details:
  • Mention that the physical defensive EVs are generally better than the SpD EVs because Politoed's weaknesses are specially attacking types.
Usage Tips:
  • I would also mention that, with Encore, it is important to nab the opponent on the predicted Substitute or boosting move because most sweepers outspeed Politoed. Using Encore while a Pokemon has just attacked you is very sad.
  • For more dedicated rain teams, it is important to play cautiously and keep Politoed alive as long as possible. This also helps for cleaning late game with Perish Song.
  • Kingdra uses Muddy Water and Ludicolo uses Surf/Hydro Pump
Team Options:
  • Generalize that Electric-types can reliably use Thunder under Rain, putting much more offensive pressure on the opponent.
  • Add more partners that resist Electric and Grass.
  • Anything that is weak to Fire immediately loves Politoed, such as Scizor, Ferrothorn, Heracross, etc.
Other Options:
  • Keep Damp Rock in OO.
  • Focus Blast
  • Ice Beam
  • Hypnosis
  • Psychic
Checks & Counters
  • Opposing weather Pokemon ruin Politoed's day
  • Taunt cuts 3/4 of Politoed's movepool.
Also, these skeletons are going onsite in a few days apparently, so use complete sentences and double-check your grammar.

nice job Metal Sonic
 
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Write out the other options bullets explaining what each move/item is used for and QC 1/3.
 

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  • However, the physical defensive EVs are generally better than the specially defensive EVs because Politoed's weaknesses are specially attacking types.
You could also add that Politoed is better off switching to a teammate that can sponge said special attacks instead of trying to sponge them itself. This differs from, say, Amoonguss, who may sometimes sponge super-effective special attacks in order to use Rage Powder or Spore.

  • Similarly, rain abusers such as Keldeo, Toxicroak, Manaphy or even Heliosk love rain a lot and can have their power augmented thanks to Politoed.
Remove Heliosk. It is not common enough to warrant the mention, and it is never seen in high-level play. I would also not mention Keldeo. It is generally used outside of rain as it is a hard-hitting Water-type that isn't dependent on rain, but is outperformed by Swift Swim users in rain teams.

  • Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Landorus-T who appreciate Politoed's ability to switch into Water-type attacks.
I'd be hesitant to mention Tyranitar as a good teammate when it removes your rain. Mention Mold Breaker Excadrill instead. It also benefits from having its Fire-type removed.

  • Opposing weather setters such as Tyranitar, Hippowdon, Ninetales and Abomasnow are extremely annoying due to their own ability to set up their own weather.
Mention Mega Zard Y and remove Hippowdon and Ninetales. Neither are seen in high-level play or good Pokemon, and Hippowdon isn't common even in low-level play.

You should also add to OO:
-Choice Specs. Rain boosted Specs Hydro Pump hits very hard, harder than Latios' Specs Meteor. To give a demonstration of how hard it hits:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Politoed Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 112+ SpD Cresselia in Rain: 229-271 (51.5 - 61%)
I remember taking a Scald with my Cress in the Doubles minitour and being shocked at the damage output

-HP Grass. It's your best move against Rotom-W and Gastrodon, who otherwise wall you. Tbh it's not a good move, but it's better than Psychic which is also in OO.
 

Stratos

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change set name to "rain support" to differentiate from more offensive rain sets

The overview is a bit organizationally confused. I'd lay it out like this:
  • Because of Drizzle, it is the best answer in the game to Mega Zard and other Fire-types
  • Drizzle confers small benefits to any team, such as preventing chip (say this instead of protecting sashes), weakening fire moves
  • With vast array of supportive moves, above advantages, and hyper powered scald it's a good pick for teams that want a defensive water type
  • in addition it opens up the option of running more water types, thunder users, and swift swim users (notably ludicolo, mega ampharos, mega manectric) to abuse the rain it provides to be some of the best all-out attackers in the meta. don't you dare mention surf here, it's bad as hell.
  • however its typing is redundant with the other water-types it aims to support which makes it hard for rain teams to break everything they need to
the set should definitely slash lefties in front of sitrus
i'd probably do slot 2: icy wind / encore / perish song, slot 3: helping hand / encore / perish song

moves:
  • Icy Wind is a great move to hit Grass and Dragon-types that resist Politoed's Water-type STAB, and also a form of speed control on the field. <- kill this sentence
  • mention perish song's true uses: to force the opponent to make certain plays, to ko in last-two situations (or when you have mega gengar), to force out opponents that use attack-boosting moves and sub
  • helping hand needs a reword—when you say puts the opponent under pressure because you'll probably be attacking first, do you mean that it effectively makes politoed as fast as its partner or that it functions as a good suicide move (both are true)
  • encore beats more than just status abusers or sub abusers—fake out, protect, tailwind, sub, any low-damage-output move. It's a great move for forcing plays and reducing predictions, a la perish trap
set details:
  • leftovers allows politoed to sponge lots of attacks like it should instead of being more one-and-done
  • the wisdom about the EV spread is accurate but i don't think you need to mention amoonguss at all
usage tips:
  • again, no surf, ever.
  • perhaps the main thing when using toed is that you want to avoid letting your hp drop below ~30% because you won't be able to tank anything at all.
  • i would not word it as "set up rain and help teammates sweep," i would serve it as "provide support for its teammates while also having strong Water-type STAB" or something that doesn't make it sound like toed + 3 swift swim is a legitimate strategy
Team options:
  • toxicroak and manaphy are both pretty bad
  • again no surf, mention ludi b4 kingdra cuz its better
  • things that beat bulky grass types (ferrothorn, mega venusaur) without relying on fire moves are a necessity for rain teams
other options:
  • gastrodon is bad, and psychic should never be used.
  • offensive evs with defensive set should be mentioned like totems
checsk&counters:
  • amoonguss belongs in attack control not type advantage, as does taunt
  • mention why setting up their own weather is so rude (weakens scald immensely)
  • FERROTHORN, Skymin in offensive typing adv
 

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"extremely powerful Scald" - it's not powerful

"Icy Wind is a good way to turn the tables against them. Just don't use Icy Wind on Bisharp, as Defiant will result in a painful backlash." .... why is this in there

"Swift Swimmers such as Ludicolo and Kingdra love rain a lot and can have their STAB options boosted under rain as well. Kingdra uses Muddy Water as a powerful spread move to decimate the opponents, while Ludicolo uses Hydro Pump as a surgical strike" - this doesn't sound good at all, please fix this and the others
 

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"Icy Wind is a good way to turn the tables against them. Just don't use Icy Wind on Bisharp, as Defiant will result in a painful backlash." .... why is this in there
for joim



will edit in a legit check soon
  • in addition to mizuhime's change, edit the part about "break everything they need to" to be more specific. namely that dedicated rain teams can often only beat 2/3 of water-types, dragon-types, and grass-types.
  • using encore on a pokemon that just attacked isnt too bad because it means that they cant protect so edit that part of usage tips
  • choice specs latios isnt a thing, just say its much powerfill
  • say how rain dance and damp rock are for the extremely dedicated rain teams, while scarf and specs are for the extremely non-dedicated ones
  • no need to enumerate things like hp grass, focus blast, etc. just say that they don't have nearly enough power to be worth considering on a defensive set, but offensive sets can use toed's coverage options to beat some of its normal switchins
  • NO GASTRODONS
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Overview
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<p>Politoed has an irreplaceable niche of being the only Drizzle user in the metagame, making it the best answer in the game against to Mega Charizard X and Y and other Fire-types. Drizzle confers small benefits to any team, such as preventing chip damage from sandstorm and weakening Fire-type moves. With a vast array of support moves, the above-mentioned advantages, and a powerful Scald, Politoed is a good pick for teams that want a defensive Water-type. In addition, it opens up the option of running more makes the Water-types, Thunder users, and Swift Swim users that utilize the rain it provides (notably Ludicolo, Mega Ampharos, Mega Manectric, and Kingdra) to abuse the rain it provides to be some of the best all-out attackers in the meta tier. Kingdra's Muddy Water also functions as a devastating spread move in rain. However, Politoed's typing is redundant with the other Water-types it aims to support, making it hard for dedicated rain teams to beat 1/3 a good chunk of the Water-types, Dragon-types, and Grass-types in the tier.</p>


Rain Setter
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name: Rain Setter
move 1: Scald
move 2: Icy Wind / Encore / Perish Song
move 3: Helping Hand / Encore / Perish Song
move 4: Protect
ability: Drizzle
item: Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
nature: Bold

Moves
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<p>Scald is the main STAB option of choice, with great neutral coverage and a nifty 30% burn chance that can cripple physical attackers. Hydro Pump can be used instead if you prefer power over reliability. For the second and third moveslots, Politoed can viably run any of the below following four moves in whatever combination the user wants: Icy Wind, Encore, Perish Song, and Helping Hand. Each move supports the team in a different way. Although Icy Wind doesn't even do satisfactory damage to Grass- and Dragon-types unless it is 4x super effective, the Speed drop for both opponents is extremely enticing can be game-changing. Perish Song can be used to force the opponent to make certain plays: for instance, to KO in last-two situations or when you have Mega Gengar, and to force out opponents that use boosting moves or Substitute. Helping Hand is useful to boost the damage of your allies in a pinch, and put the opponent under a lot of pressure; it as it effectively makes Politoed as fast as its partner and also functions as a good suicide move. Encore is a great move for forcing plays and reducing predictions, as it will neutralize opposing status abusers; setup sweepers; and users of Fake Out, Protect, Tailwind, (add comma) and also Substitute users by locking them into the same move for two or more turns. Finally, Protect is used in the last moveslot to shield Politoed from damage, scout for opponent's attacks, (add comma) and stall out harmful field conditions.</p>

Set Details
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<p>The given EV spread and nature provide maximum physical bulk to Politoed. Bold is the preferred nature for more physical bulk. A physically defensive set is preferred to a specially defensive set, as Politoed's weaknesses are mainly specially attacking types, thus Politoed meaning it is generally better off switching to a teammate that can sponge said special attacks instead of trying to sponge them itself. However, a specially defensive set of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Calm nature can be used if you want. Leftovers is recommended as it allows Politoed to sponge lots of attacks like it should provides continuous passive recovery, instead of being more one-and-done like Sitrus Berry. However, both are viable options.</p>

Usage Tips
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<p>Politoed's objective is usually to provide support for its teammates while also having strong Water-type STAB. Hence, you should try to keep Politoed it alive and healthy for as long as possible. Try to keep Politoed's health above 30% as a guideline, otherwise it would not be able to tank any more hits. When you see that your opponent has many threatening Pokemon that are faster than yours, Icy Wind is a good way to turn the tables against them. Just don't use Icy Wind on Bisharp, as Defiant will result in a painful backlash. (Mizuhime seems to have told you to remove these last two sentences in her post, so consider revising this) If you Politoed doesn't have much to damage a Pokemon with, using Scald to fish for a burn can be a decent idea. Helping Hand can be used strategically to boost the damage of a faster teammate, and it is great to help the likes of Kingdra achieve two kills with one Muddy Water. With Encore, it is important to nab the opponent on the predicted Substitute or boosting move because most sweepers outspeed Politoed. Using Encore while a Pokemon has just attacked you is unfortunate, but this also means that they will be unable to use Protect, which can be a glimmer of hope (Avoid flowery, fluff-ridden prose like this) Encore is preferably used to lock a faster opponent into Substitute or a boosting move, but using it on an attack is not a bad idea either, as this can prevent the use of Protect. For more dedicated rain teams, it is important to play cautiously and keep Politoed alive as long as possible. This also helps for cleaning late-game with Perish Song.</p>

Team Options
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<p>Swift Swimmers such as Ludicolo and Kingdra love rain a lot and can as they have their STAB options (Hydro Pump and Muddy Water, respectively) boosted under rain as well. Kingdra uses Muddy Water as a powerful spread move to decimate the opponents, while Ludicolo uses Hydro Pump as a surgical strike. (Again, avoid flowery prose like this) Electric-types can reliably use Thunder under rain, putting much more offensive pressure on the opponent.</p>

<p>Synergistically As far as synergy is concerned, ("Synergistically" means "in a synergic manner". Using it as a synonym for "of or relating to synergy" is non-standard and should thus be avoided) Pokemon such as Latios and Kyurem-B can handle Grass- and Electric-types and are useful teammates for Politoed. Meanwhile, Pokemon such as Excadrill and Landorus-T appreciate Politoed's ability to switch into Water-type attacks. Additionally, anything that is weak to Fire immediately loves Politoed, due to rain neutralizing their Fire weakness. These include Scizor, Ferrothorn, (add comma) and Heracross. Finally, teammates that beat bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur without relying on Fire-moves are a necessity for rain teams.</p>

Other Options
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<p>For less dedicated rain teams, Politoed can viably run a Choice Specs set, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump hits extremely hard. Choice Scarf is also mildly an interesting option to get the jump on opponents that would otherwise outspeed and KO Politoed. For On more dedicated rain teams, Rain Dance is an interesting option can be used to reset rain turns, (remove comma) and also disrupt opposing weather setters. Damp Rock is a great item choice to lengthen the amount of turns of rain on the field. (period)</p>

<p>Politoed has an extremely vast movepool of offensive options, but they don't have nearly enough power to be worth considering on a defensive set. However, offensive sets can use Politoed's coverage options to beat some of its normal switch-ins. Ice Beam can be used as powerful Ice-type coverage to hit Dragon- and Grass-types hard. Politoed also has access to a powerful coverage move in Focus Blast can be used to deal heavy damage to Tyranitar, (Get to the point directly; just say what the move hits. I inserted Tyranitar here, but if I'm wrong, remove it and instead mention what Focus Blast does hit) but its inaccuracy may be off-putting. Hypnosis is a great utility move to put the opponent to sleep, but is also quite inaccurate. Hidden Power Grass can come in handy against Rotom-W, which otherwise walls Politoed you. </p> ('you' refers to the player, not the Pokemon)

Checks & Counters
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**Offensive Typing Advantage**: . (remove period) Grass-types like such as Ferrothorn, Shaymin-S, (comma) and opposing Ludicolo can deal take the Water-type attacks from Politoed Politoed's STAB attacks with ease and retaliate with their deadly Grass-type STAB. Additionally, opposing Ludicolo can easily switch in and abuse utilize the free rain from Politoed and deal major damage with Giga Drain. Thundurus, Zapdos, and Rotom-W can strike Politoed with a deadly powerful Thunderbolt. Furthermore, Rotom-W also resists both of the moves commonly carried by Politoed, while Thundurus has Taunt to shut down Politoed's support moves. Abomasnow doesn't mind Water-type attacks or whatever coverage Politoed commonly carries, and it has Giga Drain or Wood Hammer to deal a huge amount of damage to Politoed. Additionally, it can disrupt Politoed's rain by setting up its own hail.

**Attack Control**: Jellicent completely walls most Politoed, as it's immune to Scald and takes very little from Ice Beam. Amoonguss is a major threat; it can redirect Politoed's moves with Rage Powder, put Politoed to sleep with Spore, hit Politoed it super effectively with Giga Drain, and has Regenerator to shrug off any damage that Politoed might have dealt taken in the process with Regenerator. Taunt can nullify the majority of Politoed's movepool, so care must be taken to avoid it.

(Two things: you don't write 'Checks and Counters' from the perspective of someone using the Pokemon, so avoid phrases like "so care must be ...". I also removed this since you already mentioned Taunt in the previous section)

**Opposing Weather**: Opposing weather setters such as Tyranitar, Mega Charizard Y, and Abomasnow are extremely annoying due to their own ability to set up their own weather and thus weaken Scald immediately.

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The prose was a little flowery in some places: please go through my comments carefully in this regard. Also remove the <p> </p> tags and change the tag to 'Copyediting'.



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Stratos

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hey a couple things

when i said toed was a good answer to mega zard i meant mega zard y only
when i said it can dedicated rain can usually only beat 2/3 of water/grass/dragon i meant, it has to choose two of those types to cover and the third will be a struggle usually
 

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Overview
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<p>Politoed has an irreplaceable niche of being the only Drizzle user in the metagame, making it the best answer in the game to Mega Charizard Y and other Fire-types. Drizzle confers small benefits to any team, such as preventing chip damage from sandstorm and weakening Fire-type moves. With a vast array of support moves, the above-mentioned advantages, and a powerful Scald, Politoed is a good pick for teams that want a defensive Water-type. In addition, it makes the Water-types, Thunder users, and Swift Swim users that utilizes the rain it provides (notably Ludicolo, Mega Ampharos, Mega Manectric, and Kingdra) to some of the best all-out attackers in the tier. Kingdra's Muddy Water also functions as a devastating spread move in rain. However, Politoed's typing is redundant with the other Water-types it aims to support, making it difficult for dedicated rain teams to beat one of the three typings in general: Water, Grass and Dragon.</p>

Rain Setter
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name: Rain Setter
move 1: Scald
move 2: Icy Wind / Encore / Perish Song
move 3: Helping Hand / Encore / Perish Song
move 4: Protect
ability: Drizzle
item: Leftovers / Sitrus Berry
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
nature: Bold

Moves
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<p>Scald is the main STAB option of choice, with great neutral coverage and a nifty 30% burn chance that can cripple physical attackers. Hydro Pump can be used instead if you prefer power over reliability. For the second and third moveslots, Politoed can viably run any of the following four moves in whatever combination the user wants: Icy Wind, Encore, Perish Song, and Helping Hand. Each move supports the team in a different way. Although Icy Wind doesn't even do satisfactory damage to Grass- and Dragon-types unless it is 4x super effective, the Speed drop for both opponents can be game-changing. Perish Song can be used to force the opponent to make certain plays: for instance, to KO in last-two situations or when you have Mega Gengar, and to force out opponents that use boosting moves or Substitute. Helping Hand is useful to boost the damage of your allies in a pinch and put the opponent under a lot of pressure; it also functions as a good suicide move. Encore is a great move for forcing plays and reducing predictions, as it will neutralize opposing status abusers; setup sweepers; and users of Fake Out, Protect, Tailwind, and Substitute by locking them into the same move for two or more turns. Finally, Protect is used in the last moveslot to shield Politoed from damage, scout for opponent's attacks, and stall out harmful field conditions.</p>

Set Details
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<p>The given EV spread and nature provides maximum physical bulk to Politoed. A physically defensive set is preferred to a specially defensive set, as Politoed's weaknesses are mainly specially attacking types, meaning it is generally better off switching to a teammate that can sponge said special attacks instead of trying to sponge them itself. Leftovers is recommended as it provides continuous passive recovery, instead of being more one-and-done like Sitrus Berry. However, both are viable options.</p>

Usage Tips
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<p>Politoed's objective is usually to provide support for its teammates while also having strong Water-type STAB. Hence, you should try to keep it alive and healthy for as long as possible. When you see that your opponent has many threatening Pokemon that are faster than yours, Icy Wind is a good way to turn the tables against them. Just don't use Icy Wind on Bisharp, as Defiant will result in a painful backlash. If Politoed doesn't have much to damage a Pokemon with, using Scald to fish for a burn can be a decent idea. Helping Hand can be used strategically to boost the damage of a faster teammate, and it is great to help the likes of Kingdra achieve two kills KOes with one Muddy Water. Encore is preferably used to lock a faster opponent into Substitute or a boosting move, but using it on an attack is not a bad idea either, as this can prevent the use of Protect. For more dedicated rain teams, it is important to play cautiously and keep Politoed alive as long as possible. This also helps for cleaning with Perish Song.</p>

Team Options
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<p>Swift Swimmers such as Ludicolo and Kingdra love rain a lot as they have their STAB options (Hydro Pump and Muddy Water, respectively) boosted. Electric-types can reliably use Thunder under rain, putting much more offensive pressure on the opponent.</p>

<p>As far as synergy is concerned, Pokemon such as Latios and Kyurem-B can handle Grass- and Electric-types and are useful teammates for Politoed. Meanwhile, Pokemon such as Excadrill and Landorus-T appreciate Politoed's ability to switch into Water-type attacks. Additionally, anything that is weak to Fire immediately loves Politoed, due to rain neutralizing their Fire weakness. These include Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Heracross. Finally, teammates that beat bulky Grass-types like Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur without relying on Fire-moves are a necessity for rain teams.</p>

Other Options
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<p>For less dedicated rain teams, Politoed can viably run a Choice Specs set, as a rain-boosted Hydro Pump hits extremely hard. Choice Scarf is also an interesting option to get the jump on opponents that would otherwise outspeed and KO Politoed. On more dedicated rain teams, Rain Dance can be used to reset rain turns and also disrupt opposing weather setters. Damp Rock is a great item choice to lengthen the amount of turns of rain on the field.</p>

<p>Politoed has an extremely vast movepool of offensive options, but they don't have nearly enough power to be worth considering on a defensive set. However, offensive sets can use Politoed's coverage options to beat some of its normal switch-ins. Ice Beam can be used to hit Dragon- and Grass-types hard. Focus Blast can be used to deal heavy damage to Tyranitar, but its inaccuracy may be off-putting. Hypnosis is a great utility move to put the opponent to sleep, but is also quite inaccurate. Hidden Power Grass can come in handy against Rotom-W, which otherwise walls Politoed. </p>

Checks & Counters
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**Offensive Typing Advantage**: Grass-types such as Ferrothorn, Shaymin-S, and opposing Ludicolo can take Politoed's STAB attacks with ease and retaliate with their deadly Grass-type STAB. Additionally, opposing Ludicolo can easily switch in and utilize the free rain from Politoed. Thundurus, Zapdos, and Rotom-W can strike Politoed with a powerful Thunderbolt. Furthermore, Rotom-W also resists both of the moves commonly carried by Politoed, while and Thundurus has Taunt to shut down Politoed's support moves. Abomasnow doesn't mind Water-type attacks or whatever coverage Politoed commonly carries, and it has Giga Drain or Wood Hammer to deal a huge amount of damage to Politoed. Additionally, it can disrupt Politoed's rain by setting up its own hail.

**Attack Control**: Jellicent completely walls most Politoed, as it's immune to Scald and takes very little from Ice Beam. Amoonguss is a major threat; it can redirect Politoed's moves with Rage Powder, put it to sleep with Spore, hit Politoed super effectively with Giga Drain, and shrug off any damage taken in the process with Regenerator.

**Opposing Weather**: Opposing weather setters such as Tyranitar, Mega Charizard Y, and Abomasnow are extremely annoying due to their own ability to set up their own weather and thus weaken Scald immediately.

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