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RU Poliwrath [QC: 3/3] [GP: 2/2]

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  1. unfixable

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    Overview
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    Poliwrath's great overall bulk allows it to handle many physical and special attacks. Poliwrath also has many resistances, in addition to a handy immunity to Water-type attacks thanks to its ability, Water Absorb. Its resistances and wide movepool allow Poliwrath to check popular threats such as Zoroark, Durant, and Doublade. Poliwrath's access to the rare move Circle Throw also makes it stand it out from other Water- and Fighting-types. However, it is weak to common Fairy- and Electric-type moves. Poliwrath also lacks access to Drain Punch, unlike most other bulky Fighting-types in the tier. As such, Poliwrath is forced to run RestTalk for recovery, as it lacks any other method of regaining health outside of Leftovers. Because of its reliance on Circle Throw to do any major damage, Poliwrath can easily be played around with Ghost-types or Substitute.

    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
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    Circle Throw is a STAB move that forces switches and racks up entry hazard damage. Scald is used for its its high chance to inflict a burn rather than for its power. Rest, in conjunction with Sleep Talk, allows Poliwrath to recover all lost health and cures it from any status ailments, although Sleep Talk is a tad unreliable. Waterfall is an option over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but it isn't very powerful and the burn chance from Scald outweighs any additional benefits that Waterfall provides.

    Set Details
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    The listed EVs maximize Poliwrath's physical bulk. A Relaxed nature is chosen because it adds to Poliwrath's bulk without lowering the damage output of Poliwrath's attacks, and the drop in Speed is not very important, as Poliwrath doesn't outspeed anything notable. Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of consistent recovery, although Rocky Helmet is also an option because it adds chip damage. However, using any other item besides Leftovers means Poliwrath gets worn down even quicker than usual.

    Usage Tips
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    Poliwrath is best used as a wall against physical attackers such as Durant. Poliwrath should try and stay at high health to avoid using Rest, as Sleep Talk can be unreliable. Try to avoid using Poliwrath against physical attackers that have super effective moves, as even though Poliwrath is bulky, it doesn't enjoy stomaching these hits. Spamming Circle Throw is what Poliwrath does best, so try to use it as often as possible. Stay away from any Pokemon that carry Will-O-Wisp, as although Rest mitigates the burn, it wears down Poliwrath quickly and makes Circle Throw weaker. Finally, if you can predict when the opponent is going to use a Water-type move, you can switch Poliwrath into it and regain health.

    Team Options
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    Partners such as Registeel and Bronzong that can set Stealth Rock and can also handle Grass- and Electric-types are great, as they can switch into attacks that threaten Poliwrath, and Stealth Rock racks up damage in conjunction with Circle Throw. Doublade and Rhyperior make good partners because they can handle Flying-types such as Braviary that threaten Poliwrath. Clerics who have good synergy with Poliwrath, such as Meleotta and Aromatisse, are good partners because Poliwrath can use Rest without having to rely on Sleep Talk. Escavalier has good synergy with Poliwrath and can also Pursuit trap Psychic-types for Poliwrath, while it in return
    appreciates Poliwrath's ability to wall Fire-types.

    Other Options
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    Ice Punch is an option to hit Grass-types, though Poliwrath lacks the power or flexibility to run it. Should rain support be provided, Poliwrath could run Swift Swim instead. Brick Break can be used as an alternative STAB move, but the increase is power is greatly outweighed by Circle Throw's utility. Bulk Up can bolster Poliwrath's Attack and Defense and turn it into a formidable attacker. Encore can be used to lock the opponent into an unfavorable move, which can then be exploited by a teammate. Substitute can be used alongside Focus Punch for an incredibly strong STAB move and can also shield Poliwrath from status afflictions. Hypnosis can put something to sleep, effectively crippling it, although its accuracy is somewhat unfavorable. Earthquake gets nice general coverage in addition to hitting Electric-type switch-ins super effectively. Belly Drum can be used to make Poliwrath very powerful, but it leaves Poliwrath at low HP and is incredibly difficult to pull off. Finally, a Choice Band set is plausible, although it isn't particularly powerful and is mostly outclassed by Emboar.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, and most of them carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch into Poliwrath, but it can cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo or just attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage.

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    Overview
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    • Pros:
      • Great bulk that allows it to take both Physical and Special hits.
      • Many useful resistances and also an immunity.
      • Wide movepool, allowing it to pull off many things.
      • Water-typing is great in the current metagame.
      • Access to the rare move Circle Throw; a STAB move that forces switches.
    • Cons:
      • Weak to common Fairy- and Electric-type moves.
      • Lacks access to Drain Punch, unlike most other Fighting-types.
      • Forced to run RestTalk for reliable recovery.
      • Struggles against Ghost-type Pokemon.

    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
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    • Circle Throw forces switches to rack up entry hazard damage and is a STAB move as well.
    • Scald has a chance to burn and makes physical attackers wary of switching directly into Poliwrath; is also a STAB move.
    • Rest in conjunction with Sleep talk allows Poliwrath to shed off any damage and status.
    • Waterfall can be used over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but the burn chance is greatly missed.

    Set Details
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    • EVs give Poliwrath high physical bulk.
    • Relaxed nature is used to maximize physical bulk and not lower the power of any of Poliwrath's moves.
    • Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of constant recovery.

    Usage Tips
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    • Use Poliwrath to wall physical attackers such as Durant, which it counters extremely well.
    • Poliwrath should try to only Rest when necessary, as Sleep Talk can be a tad unreliable.
    • Try to avoid using Poliwrath against physical Pokemon who commonly carry moves that it is weak to, as even though it is bulky, it still does not want to stomach these hits.
    • Poliwrath is best at spamming Circle Throw, so do this.
    • Even with Rest, try to stay out of Will-O-Wisp's way, as it wears down Poliwrath quickly.
    • Switching Poliwrath into Water-type moves is a good way to regain health.

    Team Options
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    • Hazards are great to rack up damage with Circle Throw, such partners include Registeel and Bronzong who can also handle Grass- and Electric-types.
    • In a similar vein, Doublade and Rhyperior can handle Braviary for Poliwrath.
    • Heal Bell support is a good idea, as it means when Poliwrath uses Rest it does not need to worry about being forced to use Sleep Talk. Specially Defensive Meloetta and Aromatisse have good synergy with Poliwrath.
    • Escavalier has great synergy with Poliwrath and can Pursuit trap threatening Psychic-types.

    Other Options
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    • Ice Punch hits Grass-types, but Poliwrath often does not have the slot to use it.
    • If used with Rain support, Swift Swim should be the ability of choice.
    • Brick Break can be used as a STAB move, but the switch forced by Circle Throw far outweighs Brick Break.
    • Bulk Up can make Poliwrath a formidable threat.
    • Encore can lock opponents into an unfavorable move.
    • Substitute + Focus Punch can be pretty strong.
    • Hypnosis cripples things, although it is very unreliable.
    • Earthquake gets ok coverage and hits Electric-type switch-ins.
    • Belly Drum can be used to make Poliwrath insanely powerful, but it is extremely hard to pull off.
    • Finally, a Choice Band set can be used, although it is somewhat outclassed by Emboar in this regard.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, while most carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch in, but it can flat out cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo or it can attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage.
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  2. s_aman

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    Max speed doublade does not exist afaik. It outspeeds standard Doublade even with a -ve nature. Also, you are not doing much to it with Scald other than praying for a burn. So, the speed EVs are unnecessary imo.
    I know Scald is there for its sheer utility, but it is not guaranteed like U-Turn and Brokenock Off. Also, you will be using Scald a lot and you don't want it to do nothing in case it does not burn the opponent (although it does 70% of the times). So, Relaxed should be the preffered nature imo.
    Doublade and Rhyperior in team options as they counter Braviary.
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    No mention of SubPunch even in OO? :o

    Also while I'm not QC, I can almost guarantee Bulk Up and Choice Band are not set worthy.
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    RestTalk is the only shot Poliwrath has. CB, Bulk Up, and SubPunch are OO.

    Onto some other things, it is best to just run 252/252+ defense and go with a Relaxed nature. Max Speed Doublade does not exist - all of them will be 0 EV. Poliwrath honestly cannot rely on any speed, since Circle Throw is a decreased priority attack and all the other slow mons are still slower than it iirc. Relaxed > Impish actually does have the advantage of 2HKOing Durant after Rocks, whereas Impish may sometimes fail (yeah I know Durant getting 3HKOed by a special attack seems stupid, but it's just that weak lol)

    In addition, Will-O-Wisp (or status) is honestly not a huge deal for Poliwrath - Toxic is much worse and it has Rest anyway to try and mitigate that status anyway. Mentioning status as its bane is therefore very misleading. I would also recommend having a Braviary mention, as Poliwrath has a bad habit of attracting Defog users such as Shiftry and any Flying-type, so Braviary can try to take advantage of this (A Spinblocker isn't as needed since Poliwrath cripples like all of them).
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    Iirc I don't think that speed creeps are allowed in analyses but I could be wrong other then that looks good!
    Also mention that now that old sleep mechanics have returned poliwrath can rest talk even better.
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    The teammates section needs a lot of work, so I'm going to ask you to rework the whole thing cause it's just missing the point atm.

    "Hazards are an absolute must; Crustle, Rhyperior, and Cobalion can all set Stealth Rock."

    They aren't really a must per say, it's just recommended. This is just general tip, but the key thing for when mentioning hazard setters is to make sure that they have good synergy with the Pokemon in question or can cover some of its weak spots. So, remove those three and replace them with Registeel and Bronzong. Registeel and Zong can handle opposing Grass-types and Electric-types due to their great defenses AND provide rocks support.

    "Braviary makes for a good partner to take advantage of Defog users like Shiftry."

    I don't think that's necessary considering its main role isn't to shuffle hazards but to use its unique defensive typing to check a lot of obnoxious threats such as Zoroark, Escavalier, and Durant. Remove.

    "Heal Bell support is a good idea, as it means when Poliwrath uses Rest it does not need to worry about being forced to use Sleep Talk."

    Specifically mention SpD Aromatisse and SpD Meloetta here. The synergy between either of those two is fantastic.

    "Fire-types can absorb Will-O-Wisp and handle Grass-types; Delphox makes a good partner for this reason."

    Ehh. It doesn't have a problem with wisp considering it is using rest talk after all + Poliwrath should only be used on full stall, which Delphox doesn't fit well in. Just remove this line.

    "Poliwrath absolutely hates Psychic-types, so Pursuit support from the likes of Escavalier and Zoroark is great."

    That isn't the best way to approach aiding a psychic-weak wall... I don't think pursuit support is something that you should mention specifically for this kinda thing, so remove this. Escavalier is a fine partner, though.

    Also yeah, no Speed creeping. Just relegate those 4 Spe EVs to SpD and call it a day.
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    Looks good

    QC 1/3
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    yeah is good just add some examples of what is able to check Poliwrath in RU tier since is a niche mon like physical zoroark, doublade, drapion, kabutops or sharpedo.

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    Is this supposed to be 3/3 lol? And do you mean under the C&C section or somewhere else like the Overview?
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    This is finally written up and ready for GP checks.
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    Overview
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    Poliwrath has great bulk overall that allows it to handle many attacks from both the physical and special sides. Poliwrath It has many useful resistances an and and an immunity, thanks to courtesy of its ability Water Absorb also come in handy. Thanks to these resistances its excellent typing and large movepool, Poliwrath is able to check popular threats such as Zoroark, Durant, and Doublade. Its movepool is also quite wide, allowing Poliwrath to pull off many things. Its Water typing is currently very good in the RU metagame thanks to its resistances and few weaknesses. Poliwrath's access to the rare move Circle Throw also makes it stand it out from other Water- and Fighting-types. However, it also has weaknesses to the common is weak to Fairy- and Electric-type moves, (AC) which are prevalent in the metagame. Poliwrath lacks access to Drain Punch as well, unlike most other Fighting-types. Because of this Consequently, Poliwrath it is forced to run RestTalk utilize the unreliable recovery move Rest for recovery, as it lacks any other method of regaining health outside of Leftovers. Because of its reliance on As it is reliant on Circle Throw, Poliwrath can easily be played around with Ghost-types or Substitute.
    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
    ========

    Circle Throw is a STAB move that forces switches and racks up entry hazard damage. Scald is
    not used primarily for its power, but more so for its high chance to inflict a burn used for its high chance of inflicting a burn rather than its power. Rest, (AC) in conjunction with Sleep Talk, (AC) allows Poliwrath to recover all lost health and cure it from any status ailments. Waterfall is an option over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but it isn't extremely powerful and the burn chance from Scald outweighs all the meagre benefits of using Waterfall.
    Set Details
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    The listed EVs give Poliwrath the highest physical bulk possible
    to achieve. A Relaxed nature is chosen because it adds to complements this bulk without Poliwrath losing any power sacrificing Poliwrath's power,.(Add period) and Poliwrath doesn't outspeed much as it is so the drop in Speed is not very important The resultant drop in Speed is inconsequential as it is not capable of outspeeding the majority of relevant threats in any case. Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of consistent recovery, although Rocky Helmet is an option because it adds inflicts chip damage on foes who target Poliwrath with physical attacks; however, be warned that utilizing any other item besides Leftovers means will result in Poliwrath getsting worn down even quicker than usual more quickly.
    Usage Tips
    ========

    Poliwrath is best used to wall physical attackers, such as Durant, with its unique typing.
    Poliwrath It should try and to avoid using Rest if possible, as Sleep Talk can be a bit tends to be unreliable. Try to aAvoid using Poliwrath on against physical attackers that can strike it super effectively as have super effective moves, as even though Poliwrath is bulky, it doesn't enjoy stomaching these hits in spite of its bulk. Spamming Circle Throw is what Poliwrath shines in, so try to use it as often as possible Poliwrath's niche lies in utilizing Circle Throw repeatedly to wear down the opposing team, so be sure to use it for this purpose. Stay away from any Pokemon that carries Will-O-Wisp as the burn, as although despite being mitigated by Rest mitigates the burn , it wears down Poliwrath quickly and makes it terribly weak Since Rest resolves these issues, why are WoW users such a problem?. Predict when the opponent will use a Water-type move, as this is a great way to regain health Switching in on predicted Water-type moves is a fantastic way by which to regain health.
    Team Options
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    Hazards are great useful to help rack up damage with Circle Throw,. (Add Period) some pPartners that can set Stealth Rock include Registeel and Bronzong, (AC) who can also handle both of whom are capable of dealing with the Grass- and Electric-types that trouble Poliwrath. Doublade and Rhyperior make good partners because they can handle Flying-types such as Braviary for Poliwrath. Heal Bell support, provided by synergistic Pokemon such as Meloetta and Aromatisse, is quite beneficial because it means that Poliwrath is not forced to depend on Rest to cure any status ailments it may be inflicted with can use Rest and not rely on Sleep Talk, it also cures any status ailments; Meloetta and Aromatisse have good synergy with Poliwrath and provides this support. Escavalier has good synergy with Poliwrath and can also synergizes well with Poliwrath as it can Pursuit trap Psychic-types for Poliwrath it, while it appreciates Poliwrath's ability to wall Fire-types.
    Other Options
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    Ice Punch is an option to hit Grass-types, although Poliwrath lacks the power or flexibility necessary to run it effectively. Should Rain support be provided, Poliwrath should run Swift Swim instead. Brick Break can be used as a STAB move, but the increase isn power is greatly outweighed by Circle Throw's utility. Bulk Up can bolster Poliwrath's Attack and Defense and turn it into a formidable attacker. Encore locks the opponent into an unfavorable move, which can be exploited by a teammate. Substitute can be used with Focus Punch for an incredibly strong STAB move, along with being shielded from status. Hypnosis can put something to sleep, effectively crippling it, although its accuracy is really unfavourable unreliable at best. Earthquake gets offers nice coverage, along with hitting and can hit Electric-type switch-ins for super effective damage. Belly Drum can be used to maximize Poliwrath's Attack stat whilst rendering it vulnerable to being revenge killed, given its middling Speed make Poliwrath insanely powerful, but it leaves Poliwrath at low HP and is incredibly difficult to pull off. Finally, a Choice Band set is plausible, although it isn't particularly powerful and is outclassed by Emboar for the most part, in this regard.
    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off (Replaced because this expression was used only a short while ago) don't mind Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, while most can cripple Poliwrath with Will-o-Wisp carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch in, but it can flat out cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo. (Add Period) or it can attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage Furthermore, it can OHKO Poliwrath with Psyshock or Grass Knot if it has sustained a bit of prior damage.

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    Overview
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    Poliwrath has great bulk overall bulk that allows it to handle many attacks from both the physical and special sideattacks. Poliwrath has many useful resistances; it anlso has and immunity, thanks to its ability,Water Absorb which also come inis very handy. Thanks to ithese resistances, Poliwrath is able to check popular threats such as Zoroark, Durant, and Doublade. Its movepool is also quite wide, allowing Poliwrath to pull off many things off. Its Water typing is currently very good in the RU metagame thanks to its resistances and few weaknesses. Poliwrath's access to the rare move, Circle Throw, also makes it stand it out from other Water- and Fighting-types. However, it also has weaknesses to the common Fairy- and Electric-type moves. Poliwrath also lacks access to Drain Punch as well, unlike most other Fighting-types. Because of thisAs such, Poliwrath is forced to run RestTalk for recovery, as it lacks any other method of regaining health outside of Leftovers. Because of its reliance on Circle Throw, Poliwrath can easily be played around with Ghost-types or Substitute.

    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
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    Circle Throw is a STAB move that forces switches and racks up entry hazard damage. Scald is not used primarily for its power, but more so for its high chance to inflict a burn. Rest, in conjunction with Sleep Talk, allows Poliwrath to recover all lost health and cure it from any status ailments. Waterfall is an option over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but it isn't vextremely powerful and the burn chance from Scald outweighs all benefits of using Waterfall.

    Set Details
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    The listed EVs give Poliwrath the highest physical bulk possible to achieve. A Relaxed nature is chosen because it adds to Poliwrathi's bulk without Poliwrath losing any power, and Poliwrath doesn't outspeed much as it is so the drop in Speed is not very important. Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of consistent recovery, although Rocky Helmet is an option because it adds chip damage; however, be warned that any other item besides Leftovers means Poliwrath gets worn down even quicker than usual.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Poliwrath is best used to wall physical attackers, such as Durant, with its unique typing. Poliwrath should try and avoid using Rest if possible, as Sleep Talk can be a bit unreliable. Try to avoid using Poliwrath on physical attackers that have super effective moves, as even though Poliwrath is bulky, it doesn't enjoy stomaching these hits. Spamming Circle Throw is what Poliwrath shines in, so try to use it as often as possible. Stay away from any Pokemon that carries Will-O-Wisp, as although Rest mitigates the burn, it wears down Poliwrath quickly and makes it terribly weak. Predict when the opponent will use a Water-type move, as this is a great way to regain health.

    Team Options
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    Hazards are great to rack up damage with Circle Throw, some partners that can set Stealth Rock include Registeel and Bronzong, who can also handle Grass- and Electric-types. Doublade and Rhyperior make good partners because they can handle Flying-types such as Braviary for Poliwrath. Heal Bell support is quite beneficial because it means Poliwrath can use Rest and not rely on Sleep Talk, it also cures any status ailments; Meloetta and Aromatisse have good synergy with Poliwrath and provides this support. Escavalier has good synergy with Poliwrath and can also Pursuit trap Psychic-types for Poliwrath, while it appreciates Poliwrath's ability to wall Fire-types.

    Other Options
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    Ice Punch is an option to hit Grass-types, although Poliwrath lacks the power or flexibility to run it. Should Rain support be provided, Poliwrath should run Swift Swim instead. Brick Break can be used as a STAB move, but the increase is power is greatly outweighed by Circle Throw's utility. Bulk Up can bolster Poliwrath's Attack and Defense and turn it into a formidable attacker. Encore locks the opponent into an unfavorable move, which can be exploited by a teammate. Substitute can be used with Focus Punch for an incredibly strong STAB move, along with being shielded from status. Hypnosis can put something to sleep, effectively crippling it, although its accuracy is really unfavorable. Earthquake gets nice coverage, along with hitting Electric-type switch-ins. Belly Drum can be used to make Poliwrath insanely powerful, but it leaves Poliwrath at low HP and is incredibly difficult to pull off. Finally, a Choice Band set is plausible, although it isn't particularly powerful and is mostly outclassed by Emboar for the most part, in this regard.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, while most of them carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch into Poliwrath, but it can flat out cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo or it canjust attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage.

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    Overview
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    Poliwrath's has great overall bulk that allows it to handle many physical and special attacks. Poliwrath also has many useful resistances; ,(AC) it also has as well as and immunity to Water-type attacks thanks to its ability Water Absorb which also is very handy at times. Thanks to its resistances, Poliwrath is able to check popular threats in the tier such as Zoroark, Durant, and Doublade. Its movepool is also quite wide large, allowing Poliwrath to pull use many different things off. Its Water typing is currently very good in the RU metagame thanks to its common resistances and few weaknesses. Poliwrath's access to the rare move, Circle Throw, also makes it stand it out from other Water- and Fighting-types (I'd advise you add why, but that's just me). However, it also has weaknesses to common Fairy- and Electric-type moves. Poliwrath also lacks access to Drain Punch, unlike most other bulky Fighting-types in the tier. As such, Poliwrath is forced to run RestTalk for recovery, as it lacks any other method of regaining health outside of Leftovers. Because of its reliance on Circle Throw to do any major damage, Poliwrath can easily be played around with Ghost-types or Substitute.

    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
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    Circle Throw is a STAB move that forces switches and racks up entry hazard damage. Scald is not used primarily for its power, but more so for its high chance to inflict a burn. Rest, in conjunction with Sleep Talk, allows Poliwrath to recover all lost health and cure it from any status ailments (I'd mention why it is somewhat unreliable). Waterfall is an option over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but it isn't very powerful and the burn chance from Scald outweighs all benefits of using Waterfall.

    Set Details
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    The listed EVs give Poliwrath the highest physical bulk possible to achieve maximize Poliwrath's physical bulk. A Relaxed nature is chosen because it adds to Poliwrath's bulk without Poliwrath losing any power lowering the damage output of Poliwrath's attacks, and Poliwrath doesn't outspeed much as it is so the drop in Speed is not very important as Poliwrath doesn't outspeed anything notable. Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of consistent recovery,(RC) although Rocky Helmet is also an option because it adds chip damage;.(AP) However, be warned that using any other item besides Leftovers means Poliwrath gets worn down even quicker than usual.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Poliwrath is best used to as a wall against physical attackers, such as Durant, with its unique typing. Poliwrath should try and stay at high health to avoid using Rest if possible, as Sleep Talk can be a bit unreliable. Try to avoid using Poliwrath on physical attackers that have super effective moves, as even though Poliwrath is bulky, it doesn't enjoy stomaching these hits. Spamming Circle Throw is what Poliwrath shines in does best, so try to use it as often as possible. Stay away from any Pokemon that carries Will-O-Wisp, as although Rest mitigates the burn, it wears down Poliwrath quickly and makes it terribly Circle Throw weaker. Predict accordingly to when the opponent will use a Water-type move, as this is a great way to Poliwrath can switch in and regain health.

    Team Options
    ========

    Hazards are great to rack up damage with Circle Throw, some Partners that can set Stealth Rock who can also handle Grass- and Electric-types (Psychic-types is a better second type, but do whatever you want) include Registeel and Bronzong are great, as they can pivot into attacks that threaten Poliwrath, and Stealth Rock racks up damage with Circle Throw who can also handle Grass- and Electric-types. Doublade and Rhyperior make good partners because they can handle Flying-types such as Braviary for that threaten Poliwrath. Heal Bell support is quite beneficial Clerics who have good synergy with Poliwrath, such as Meleotta and Aromatisse are good partners because it means Poliwrath can use Rest and not be forced to rely on Sleep Talk, it also cures any status ailments; Meloetta and Aromatisse have good synergy with Poliwrath and provides this support. Escavalier has good synergy with Poliwrath and can also Pursuit trap Psychic-types for Poliwrath, while it appreciates Poliwrath's ability to wall Fire-types.

    Other Options
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    Ice Punch is an option to hit Grass-types, although Poliwrath lacks the power or (Not true, base 95 Attack is pretty good) flexibility to run it. Should Rain support be provided, Poliwrath shcould run Swift Swim instead. Brick Break can be used as an alternative STAB move, but the increase is power is greatly outweighed by Circle Throw's utility. Bulk Up can bolster Poliwrath's Attack and Defense and turn it into a formidable better attacker. Encore can be used to locks the opponent into an unfavorable move, which can be exploited by a teammate. Substitute can be used with alongside Focus Punch for an incredibly strong STAB move, along with being shielded from status. Hypnosis can put something to sleep, effectively crippling it, although its accuracy is really unfavorable. Earthquake gets nice coverage, along with hitting Electric-type switch-ins. Belly Drum can be used to make Poliwrath insanely powerful, but it leaves Poliwrath at low HP and is incredibly difficult to pull off. Finally, a Choice Band set is plausible, although it isn't particularly powerful and is mostly outclassed by Emboar for the in this regard.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves. (I'd separate these)

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, while most of them carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch into Poliwrath, but it can flat out cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo or just attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage.

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    Your grammar and spelling need work, and you should stop using unnecessary adjectives. Good job though.
  16. unfixable

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    Implemented Mysteria's amcheck. To address your comment about Ice Punch, I'm not removing that because it is weak. It's an uninvested, non-STAB move coming off of only 95 base Attack. So yeah, it is quite weak.
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    Overview
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    Poliwrath's great overall bulk allows it to handle many physical and special attacks. Poliwrath also has many resistances [removed ,] as well as in addition to a handy immunity to Water-type attacks thanks to its ability, [comma] Water Absorb which also is very handy at times. Thanks to Its resistances and wide movepool [removed ,] allow Poliwrath is able to check popular threats in the tier such as Zoroark, Durant, and Doublade. Its movepool is also quite wide, allowing Poliwrath to pull many things off. Its Water typing is currently very good in the RU metagame thanks to its resistances and few weaknesses. Poliwrath's access to the rare move [removed ,] Circle Throw [removed ,] also makes it stand it out from other Water- and Fighting-types. However, it also is weak has weaknesses to common Fairy- and Electric-type moves. Poliwrath also lacks access to Drain Punch, unlike most other bulky Fighting-types in the tier. As such, Poliwrath is forced to run RestTalk for recovery, as it lacks any other method of regaining health outside of Leftovers. Because of its reliance on Circle Throw to do any major damage, Poliwrath can easily be played around with Ghost-types or Substitute.

    RestTalk
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    name: RestTalk
    move 1: Circle Throw
    move 2: Scald
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk
    ability: Water Absorb
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Relaxed

    Moves
    ========

    Circle Throw is a STAB move that forces switches and racks up entry hazard damage. Scald is used for its its high chance to inflict a burn rather than for its power not used primarily for its power, but more so for its high chance to inflict a burn. Rest, in conjunction with Sleep Talk, allows Poliwrath to recover all lost health and cures it from any status ailments, although Sleep Talk it is a tad unreliable. Waterfall is an option over Scald for a stronger STAB move, but it isn't very powerful and the burn chance from Scald outweighs any additional benefits that Waterfall provides all benefits of using Waterfall.

    Set Details
    ========

    The listed EVs maximize Poliwrath's physical bulk. A Relaxed nature is chosen because it adds to Poliwrath's bulk without lowering the damage output of Poliwrath's attacks, and the drop in Speed is not very important, [comma] as Poliwrath doesn't outspeed anything notable. Leftovers gives Poliwrath a form of consistent recovery, although Rocky Helmet is also an option because it adds chip damage. However, using any other item besides Leftovers means Poliwrath gets worn down even quicker than usual.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Poliwrath is best used as a wall against physical attackers [removed ,] such as Durant. Poliwrath should try and stay at high health to avoid using Rest, as Sleep Talk can be a bit unreliable. Try to avoid using Poliwrath on against physical attackers that have super effective moves, as even though Poliwrath is bulky, it doesn't enjoy stomaching these hits. Spamming Circle Throw is what Poliwrath does best, so try to use it as often as possible. Stay away from any Pokemon that carry Will-O-Wisp, as although Rest mitigates the burn, it wears down Poliwrath quickly and makes Circle Throw weaker. Finally, if you can predict when the opponent is going to use a Water-type move, you can switch Poliwrath into it and regain health. Predict accordingly to when the opponent will use a Water-type move, as Poliwrath can switch in and regain health.

    Team Options
    ========

    Partners such as Registeel and Bronzong that can set Stealth Rock and who can also handle Grass- and Electric-types such as Registeel and Bronzong are great, as they can switch pivot into attacks that threaten Poliwrath, and Stealth Rock racks up damage in conjunction with Circle Throw. Doublade and Rhyperior make good partners because they can handle Flying-types such as Braviary that threaten Poliwrath. Clerics who have good synergy with Poliwrath, such as Meleotta and Aromatisse, [comma] are good partners because Poliwrath can use Rest without having to rely on Sleep Talk and not be forced to rely on Sleep Talk. Escavalier has good synergy with Poliwrath and can also Pursuit trap Psychic-types for Poliwrath, while it in return appreciates Poliwrath's ability to wall Fire-types.

    Other Options
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    Ice Punch is an option to hit Grass-types, although though Poliwrath lacks the power or flexibility to run it. Should rain support be provided, Poliwrath could run Swift Swim instead. Brick Break can be used as an alternative STAB move, but the increase is power is greatly outweighed by Circle Throw's utility. Bulk Up can bolster Poliwrath's Attack and Defense and turn it into a formidable attacker. Encore can be used to lock the opponent into an unfavorable move, which can then be exploited by a teammate. Substitute can be used alongside Focus Punch for an incredibly strong STAB move [removed ,] and can also shield Poliwrath from status afflictions along with being shielded from status. Hypnosis can put something to sleep, effectively crippling it, although its accuracy is somewhat really unfavorable. Earthquake gets nice general coverage [removed ,] along with in addition to hitting Electric-type switch-ins super effectively. Belly Drum can be used to make Poliwrath very powerful, but it leaves Poliwrath at low HP and is incredibly difficult to pull off. Finally, a Choice Band set is plausible, although it isn't particularly powerful and is mostly outclassed by Emboar in this regard.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Grass-types**: Grass-types shrug off Scald and have super effective moves to hit Poliwrath with in return.

    **Electric- and Fairy-type Pokemon**: Both of these types of Pokemon have super effective STAB moves to hit Poliwrath with, while the latter even resists Poliwrath's Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Ghost-types**: Ghost-types often shrug off Scald and are immune to Circle Throw, while and most of them carry Will-O-Wisp to cripple Poliwrath with.

    **Delphox**: Delphox cannot directly switch into Poliwrath, but it can cripple Poliwrath with Switcheroo or just attack with either Psyshock or Grass Knot, as both OHKO with a bit of prior damage.

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    Implemented Ender 's check, this is now complete.
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    edited the last sentence in checks and counters to psychic-types in general because Delphox the poliwrath counter just seems.....wrong
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