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Porygon (Analysis)

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  1. v

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    [Overview]
    <p>With its excellent stat distribution and wide movepool, Porygon can serve a multitude of roles, such as a pseudo-wall/supporter, a cleaner, or even a straight-out sweeper. Although Porygon can perform these roles well, Pokemon such as Munchlax have made the metagame revolve around Fighting-type attacks, making it hard for Porygon to set up.</p>

    [SET]
    name: ChoiceGon
    move1: Trick
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Shadow Ball
    move4: Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Recover
    item: Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest / Calm / Timid
    evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Porygon with Choice Specs is nothing to scoff at. Its already-impressive Special Attack, combined with its superb bulk, allow it to easily deal with a variety of threats. Choice Scarf increases its mediocre Speed to the 21 threshold, allowing it to outpace all unboosted Pokemon in Little Cup. Trace enables it to switch into certain Pokemon's STAB moves for free, like those of Chinchou, Mantyke, and Houndour. From there, Porygon can either immediately threaten with any of its three attacks; Shadow Ball is usually a safe bet to hit the incoming Ghost and KO it easily. From there, Tri Attack and Shadow Ball will 2HKO anything that does not resist it, allowing Porygon to deal with virtually any threat. Porygon is also unique in that it can very easily cripple Wynaut by tricking it a Choice item and then switching out, as Trace allows it to copy Shadow Tag.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Porygon does not need Speed when running Choice Specs, mainly due to its tremendous damage output and above-average bulk. It can easily revenge kill most Choice Scarf Pokemon, even ones that are at full health, as well as significantly dent most Pokemon that can't respond with Fighting-type moves.</p>

    <p>If running Choice Scarf, then it is required that one use a Timid nature and an EV spread of 76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Spe. However, in this capacity Porygon serves as more of a revenge killer than a bulky attacker. Porygon can still utilise Trick to cripple incoming walls, however.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s best bets for teammates are Ghost-types and Pokémon who resist Fighting-type moves. Drifloon enjoys the free switch into a Choiced Fighting-type attack which allows it to set up a free Substitute. Gligar does likewise, boosting its stats safely once its Substitute is up.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility
    move1: Agility
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
    move4: Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Speed

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>One of Porygon's most dangerous sets, Agility rectifies Porygon's only subpar stat: Speed. With a Modest nature and 196 Speed EVs, Porygon hits 13 Speed and 19 Special Attack, enough to outspeed most of the notable Scarfers in the metagame after an Agility boost. Mankey and Houndour cap at 25 and Machop caps at 21. The only Choice Scarf Pokémon that are faster than this are Gligar and Diglett, both of whom are typically used in other ways. Gastly can also outspeed with a Choice Scarf; though formerly its most common set, Scarf Gastly has become rare as of late, so it isn't a particularly noteworthy threat to this Porygon variant.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Only Magnemite resists every move on this set, though it will not particularly enjoy getting hit repeatedly by any given move due to its poor Special Defense and abysmal HP stats. If Magnemite presents itself as a problem, Porygon can use Hidden Power Ground to deal with it more easily. Magby and Croagunk, both commonly-used revenge killers, are beaten easily by Hidden Power Ground as well. Hidden Power Ground also offers almost unresisted coverage (barring the Normal/Flying-types) when combined with Shadow Ball, while Tri Attack hits everything quite hard. Munchlax gives this set trouble as well, being the token special wall and able to hit back with a powerful Return.</p>

    <p>A powerful physical attacker complements this Porygon well. Fighting-types in particular are especially effective teammates thanks to their super effective STAB moves to hit Munchlax and Magnemite with. Machop, with its superb bulk, is able to come in and immediately force out or kill either aforementioned defensive threat. Mankey can also serve this role well, as Choice Scarf Mankey can either U-turn away from a possible switch-in or do massive damage with Close Combat.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Set-Up
    move1: Trick Room
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Thunderbolt
    move4: Shadow Ball / Recover
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Trace
    nature: Quiet
    evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Porygon is also among the most effective users of Trick Room. With its good stats and movepool, Porygon can begin attacking as soon as it has set up Trick Room, underspeeding all but the slowest Pokémon in the metagame. Porygon is able to support the team from an offensive standpoint effectively with its excellent type coverage, and if it opts for Recover, it can even set up Trick Room several times, a quality that nearly no other Trick Room user can boast.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Trick Room is obviously the focus of the set, as otherwise Porygon is just a slow attacker. It also serves as an excellent support move, letting other slow teammates manage a sweep. Tri Attack again is the staple offensive move of the set, letting Porygon walk all over Pokémon with poor Special Defense. Thunderbolt allows Porygon to handle Water-types with ease, while Shadow Ball lets it beat Ghosts. Alternatively, the aforementioned Recover can be used to help Porygon set up Trick Room more than once.</p>

    <p>Trick Room Porygon does best with Trick Room-abusing teammates, such as Cubone or Krabby. They both benefit greatly from Trick Room and are able to easily remove from play Munchlax and Magnemite, two Pokémon that Porygon hates to face. Cubone’s powerful STAB Earthquake coming off of a Thick Club-boosted Attack stat is nothing short of phenomenal, while Krabby’s Crabhammer hits extremely hard as well.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Trick Room Sweeper
    move1: Return
    move2: Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ground
    move3: Ice Beam
    move4: Shadow Ball / Trick Room
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Download
    nature: Quiet
    evs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is a variation on the above, mainly used when your team has enough Trick Room support. By running Return over Tri Attack, Porygon is able to 2HKO Munchlax without a Download boost. Porygon is then able to plow through other threats with the classic BoltBeam combination and its sky-high Special Attack stat. The equally-revered Fighting/Ghost combination is also usable, albeit with a good deal less Base Power in exchange for totally unresisted coverage. If another coverage attack does not appeal to you, you can use Trick Room so that Porygon can start its own party.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>This Porygon is stopped by very few Pokémon. Magnemite resists every move on the set barring Hidden Power Fighting or Hidden Power Ground, and without a Special Attack boost from Download, Porygon lacks the proper “oomph” to deal with it quickly, which is extremely detrimental to its sweep.</p>

    <p>Mixed Trick Room Porygon’s best teammates are Pokémon that can set up Trick Room and deal with the pesky Magnemite. Unfortunately, such Pokémon are limited in number. Bronzor is good for setting up Trick Room and can carry Earthquake to deal with Magnemite, though it can get into big trouble if Magnemite uses Magnet Rise, as Bronzor will be unable to switch out, thus wasting precious turns of Trick Room. Slow Fighting-types such as Machop and Makuhita make mincemeat out of Magnemite and Munchlax; slow Ground-types such as Cubone and Trapinch work just as well.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Thanks to Porygon’s excellent stats and wide movepool, it is viable on a variety of teams. It benefits from strong, physically-oriented teammates who can eliminate its foes, Munchlax and Magnemite. Elekid, Machop, Mankey, and Gligar all fit the bill exceptionally well. Machop and Mankey can OHKO Munchlax with any of their STAB moves, Elekid can OHKO Munchlax with Cross Chop after Stealth Rock, and Gligar outright beats Munchlax with its superb physical bulk and powerful STAB Earthquake. Gligar also complements Porygon in that it resists Porygon’s only weakness, Fighting. The fact that Porygon is immune to Ghost means that they work together excellently. Drifloon can also take advantage of Porygon's ability to force switches, coming in and setting up a Substitute as the opposing Fighting-type switch-in flees at the sight of Drifloon.</p>

    <p>In the case of Trick Room variants of Porygon, a few other teammates are viable. Munchlax, despite sharing a Fighting-weakness with Porygon, loves the Trick Room support and is exceptionally powerful. Machop is again usable, its mediocre Speed allowing it to shine without need for a Choice Scarf. Duskull and Gastly are both able to set up Trick Room and are both immune to the Fighting-type moves that Porygon hates so much. Cubone also enjoys Trick Room conditions due to Thick Club, low Speed, and powerful STAB to easily wipe out opposing Pokémon.</p>

    [Optional Changes]
    <p>Porygon can make use of its secondary trait, Download, only rarely. This is because, due to its genderlessness, it cannot have its level-up moves because Download is a Gen 4 Ability while the Pomeg Glitch is Gen 3 only.</p>

    <p>Magic Coat can be of use against Paras, which is certain to use Spore against Porygon. If you want to go for a status move, Porygon can use Discharge or even Thunder Wave to cripple opposing Pokémon. Porygon also has access to Rain Dance, Thunder, and the aforementioned Recover, allowing it to set it up again and again. It can also set up sun and use SolarBeam and Hidden Power Fire. On a hail team, Porygon’s good defenses combined with access to Recover, Blizzard, and Hail makes it an excellent choice.</p>

    <p>Porygon can also use Gravity in conjunction with its secondary trait, Download, along with 100% accurate Blizzard and Thunder, both of which are of equal Base Power to STAB Tri Attack (albeit with better coverage). It can also use Swift alongside Download, which can become stronger than Tri Attack if Porygon nets itself a Special Attack boost.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s EVs vary greatly from set to set. On Agility sets, maximum Speed is necessary to hit any notable Speed value at all. Whether you max Special Attack or HP depends on whether or not you plan to be boosting your Porygon's Special Attack. For Trick Room sets, the EVs normally used for Speed can instead be allotted to Attack or HP, allowing Porygon to go mixed to beat Munchlax or to generally take more hits.</p>

    [Counters]
    <p>Porygon, despite its excellent attacking prowess, has a number of Pokémon that give it a bit of trouble. Magnemite stops Porygon cold if it doesn’t have a super effective Hidden Power. Munchlax stops non-mixed Porygon with its mammoth HP and Special Defense stats. Scarf Gastly can easily switch in on Tri Attack and hammer Porygon with a STAB Sludge Bomb, outpacing Modest Agility variants if Gastly itself is Timid. Croagunk's Vacuum Wave is a 2HKO, as is Magby's Mach Punch, both doing roughly 70% damage to Porygon. Barring the use of Hidden Power Ground, Porygon cannot OHKO either, allowing them to easily revenge kill it. Houndour's Sucker Punch also works in a similar vein, though it is technically possible to stall it out of Sucker Punch PP and then kill it with Tri Attack.</p>
  2. Seven Deadly Sins

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    Remove mention of the ditto mechanics as "new", please, just like Platinum isn't "new" either.
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    I think the Bulky Agility set needs to get rid of Charge Beam as an option, and increase the SpA EVs.

    With the EVS 236 HP / 236 SpA / 36 Spe, Porygon already outspeeds the most common speed number (21), and keeps its awesome SpA stat to sweep with. Lets face it, Charge Beam won't get you anywhere with only one other attack to use it with.

    In short: Remove Charge Beam, and make EVS 236 HP / 236 SpA / 36 Spe.

    In addition you can make the set a "Bulky Set Up" Porygon that looks like this if you like, bulky Charge Beam does work:

    name: Bulky Agility
    move1: Agility / Charge Beam
    move2: Recover
    move3: Tri Attack
    move4: Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Download
    nature: Modest
    evs: 236 HP / 236 SpA / 36 Spe

    BoltBeam coverage with Charge Beam on top of Tri Attack, if you like.

    EDIT: Hyper Beam needs to be in OO, it OHKOes Munchlax with a Download boost and Life Orb.
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    That's what we call a "terrible idea" here. Trying to shoehorn together two sets with completely different goals is rather ridiculous.

    Vader, have you ever tested the bulky Tri-Attack / Charge Beam Porygon?

    also rofl hyper beam

    EDIT: Okay, to clarify. Hyper Beam is viable for scoring an OHKO on a single Pokemon (and only if it runs an offensive spread) which is not exceptionally threatening to Porygon (it isn't ohkoing any time soon). In return, every time you use it, your opponent gets to do something scary, like Agility with Mantyke, Rock Polish with Gligar, KO you with Machop or Mankey, Sleep you with something, Substitute up with anything, etc. Becoming setup fodder and wasting a moveslot for absolutely no coverage is awful 100% of the time, and is not even OO material.
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    I fixed the mention of "new" mechanics and removed Bulky Agility altogether and added Charge Beam and TrickScarf at the end and added mention of Hyper Beam to OO.
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    No offense, but how is "rofl hyper beam" and argument against putting it in OO?

    LO Download boosted Hyper Beam vs Max/Max+ Munchlax:

    28 Atk vs 19 Def & 33 HP (150 Base Power): 30 - 36 (90.91% - 109.09%)

    Munchlax is going to have a hard time "rofl"ing while its fainted. KOing Munchlax is worth the extra turn, especially since Porygon is bulky enough to take an attack or two.

    EDIT: Thanks Vader.
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    SDS said I could post the log of our chat about Hyper Beam, it largely sums up my thoughts.

    <SevenDeadlySins> the only thing that hyper beam does
    <SevenDeadlySins> is ensure that you take the hit from munchlax (which probably won't ko)
    <SevenDeadlySins> instead of taking the hit from whatever comes after
    <SevenDeadlySins> (like machop which you now can no longer switch out of)
    <ete> Its not as bad as you make out, but it is highly situational.
    <SevenDeadlySins> no
    <SevenDeadlySins> it is as bad as i make out
    <SevenDeadlySins> it not only is basically sacrificing porygon
    <SevenDeadlySins> but it is also setup fodder
    <SevenDeadlySins> for shit that is much more scary
    <SevenDeadlySins> munchlax is not ohkoing you
    <SevenDeadlySins> and i would much rather take the hit from munchlax
    <ete> It can take out a few Pokemon you would otherwise be unable to KO while giving your opponents next Pokemon a free turn.
    <SevenDeadlySins> than guarantee my opponent a free turn to set up whatever the hell he wants
    <SevenDeadlySins> uh
    <SevenDeadlySins> one pokemon
    <ete> highly situational
    <SevenDeadlySins> actually one spread on one pokemon
    <SevenDeadlySins> it's not even situational
    <SevenDeadlySins> it is simply "godawful"
    <ete> I'm not trying to say its a good move
    <SevenDeadlySins> no
    <SevenDeadlySins> you are trying to say there are times where it is worth a moveslot
    <SevenDeadlySins> whereas i am saying that is not true in any case
    <ete> its possible for there to be situations where it is the best move available
    <ete> but they are so rare that it is not worth putting on any set
    <ete> like, last pokemon munchlax
    <ete> and only hyper beam has the power to KO
    <ete> note the "very rare"

    Basically, I'm not sure if its worth even putting in OO. It could conceivably be useful sometimes, but giving your opponent a free turn AND a free switch is a serious worry, and Porygon does not exactly have moveslots to spare.
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    I used it on a Choice Scarf set and a TR set (before Tri Attack was viable, so that's why I thought "why not try out Hyper Beam for lols"), and it worked quite well, albeit very situational. Hyper Beam is only for "last Pokemon" and "I need to KO Munchlax for my other sweeper to sweep" scenarios, but keep in mind that those do occur at least once per battle. I think OO is a perfect spot for it, Vader made it pretty clear that "Hyper Beam works, but use it only when you need to".

    EDIT: Eh, if you all agree then I won't argue anymore.
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    Due to some calculations run on #littlecup by eric, I (meaning SDS, eric, KD and I all agreed) have decided that Hyper Beam is not even OO material, as Tri Attack is better 100% of the time and is just a waste of a moveslot.
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    One note, on the Counters section you mention Gastly beating Porygon with STAB Shadow Ball, I changed it to Sludge Bomb for very obvious reasons, nice work Vader
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    Made the suggested changes and replaced all instances of "Pokemon" with "Pokémon."
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    Mankey only caps at 25. Is that meant to be something else capping at 24?
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    I'm assuming this is based on Tri Attack being 160 over two turns compared to Hyper Beam's 150. But does this take into account Oran Berry? For instance, without running calcs, I'm pretty sure Munchlax can survive 2 Tri Attacks when Oran activates whereas it can't survive Hyper beam (assuming SR support/ 5-10% residual damage)
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    I think that saying Magnemite "stops Porygon cold" is a bit of an overstatement. It needs a big investment into defenses to avoid being 2HKO by Tri-attack(the max Sp atk/max Speed spread do not stand a chance). Something like max HP. And if Porygon carries Life Orb, even a good deal of investment on Special Defense. Of course, this would detract a lot from Magnemite's potential, so, while it surely is a check, I'd not define him a surefire counter by any means.
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    The main reason I removed Hyper Beam is because, in my opinion, it would be useful only if it OHKO'd a significant amount of the time. If I remember correctly, eric's calculations but Hyper Beam at a OHKO only ~50% of the time against min/min Munchlax factoring in the Download boostand Stealth Rock. It happened some time ago, so I may be wrong, though.

    Zarator, without a Download boost, Porygon's Tri Attack only does 9 damage maximum (~45%), meaning Magnemite can switch in, TBolt, get Oran and TBolt again to kill Porygon unless it uses one of the listed Hidden Powers.

    I changed Hidden Power Fighting to Hidden Power Ground on the first set as it hits most Pokemon that threaten Porygon harder and expanded the Counters section to include Croagunk, Magby and Houndour as prominent revenge-killers due to their strong priority moves.
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    If you want the calc, here it is:

    28 Atk vs 19 Def & 33 HP (150 Base Power): 30 - 36 (90.91% - 109.09%)

    Download boosted LO HyperBeam vs Max/Max Munchlax. OHKO 100% of the time with Stealth Rock.
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    It was about 50% without SR, not with.

    My take on Hyper Beam is pretty neutral, its an overall bad move but has some rare situational uses. The giving a free turn when you KO something means its on the edge of not being worth putting in OO, but it could go either way.
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    Since Porygon now has access to the move mentioned in this analysis, it can be reopened. However Vader remember that if using Tri Attack, Recover, or Agility is in the set Trace has to be the ability. If Recover is a secondary option (like in the Trick Room set) then simply slash Trace in and mention in the set comments about how you will need to use it.

    Opening
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    I'd like to suggest a revamped version of the Choice Scarf set. I've been using this with an immense amount of success, so yeah.

    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Tri Attack (if Download, filler here; I use Hyper Beam though)
    move 2: Ice Beam / Blizzard
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Shadow Ball / Trick
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Trace (or Download)
    nature: Timid
    evs: 76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Spe

    I've been using this type of Porygon on a lot of my teams, and it's amazing. I usually pair this up with Snover and use Blizzard, as it can OHKO or severely damage many Pokemon that reside in LC.

    All in all, I think this set should replace the one mentioned in the analysis. I think it's better to be honest.

    As for the analysis itself, I think you should expand on the comments. Some of the sets are really short and not that informative, so I suggest you detail them a bit more. Also, the formatting is not right. The part where it says "move1:" should look like "move 1:", with a space in between the number and the word.

    GENEDIT: Download cannot be used with Tri Attack
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    I've edited the analysis to reflect the Pomeg Glitch rather than the Ditto Breeding one. Fuzznip, the Scarf set is effectively that, but without Blizzard or as an option, which is in OO.
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    Here's another grammar check to help polish your analysis, Vader.
    Agility (open)

    <p>Possibly Porygon's most dangerous set, Agility rectifies Porygon's only subpar stat: Speed. With a Modest nature and 196 Speed EVs, Porygon hits 13 Speed and 19 Special Attack, enough to outpace the most of the notable Scarfers in the metagame. Mankey and Houndour's Speed stats cap at 25 and Machop caps at 21. The only Choice Scarf Pokémon that are faster than this are Gligar and Diglett, both of whom are typically used other ways. Gastly can also outrun with a Scarf, formerly its most common set, but this strategy has become rare as of late.</p>

    <p>Only Magnemite resists every move on this set, though it will not particularly enjoy any given move to its poor Special Defense and abysmal HP. If Magnemite presents itself as a problem, Porygon can use Hidden Power Ground to deal with it easier. Magby and Croagunk, both commonly-used revenge-killers, are beaten easily by Hidden Power Ground. Hidden Power Ground also offers almost unresisted coverage (barring the Normal/Flying-types) combined with Shadow Ball, while Tri Attack hits everything quite hard. Munchlax gives this set trouble as well, being the token special wall and slamming it back with a powerful Return.</p>

    <p>A powerful physical attacker complements this Porygon well. Fighting-types in particular are especially effective, thanks to their super effective STAB moves to hit Munchlax and Magnemite. Machop, with its superb bulk, is able to come in an immediately force out or kill either defensive threat, while Mankey can also serve this role well, as when it is holding a Choice Scarf, Mankey can U-turn away from their switch-in or Close Combat</p>


    SpecsGon (open)

    <p>Porygon with Choice Specs is nothing to scoff at. Its already-impressive Special Attack, combined with its superb bulk, allows it to easily deal with a variety of threats. Trace allows it to switch into certain Pokemon for free, such as Chinchou, Mantyke or Houndour. From there, it can either immediately threaten with any of its three attacks. Usually, Shadow Ball will hit the incoming Ghost and KO it easily. From there, Shadow Ball will 2HKO anything that does not resist it. Tri Attack does much the same, allowing Porygon to deal with virtually any threat. Porygon is also unique in that it can very easily cripple Wynaut by Tricking it Choice Specs and then flee, as Trace allows it to take Shadow Tag.</p>

    <p>Porygon does not need speed when running Specs, mainly due to how powerful its attacks are and how bulky it is. It can easily revenge kill most Scarfers, even ones at full health, as well as significantly dent most Pokemon that don’t run Fighting-type attacks (attacks damage).</p>

    <p>Porygon’s best bets for teammates are Ghost-types and Pokémon who resist Fighting-type moves. Misdreavus and Drifloon both enjoy the free switch into a newly-choiced Fighting move to let them set up a free Substitute. Gligar also likes this, boosting itself safely once its Substitute is up.</p>


    Trick Room Set-Up (open)

    <p>Trick Room Porygon does best with Trick Room abusing teammates, such as Cubone or Krabby. These Pokémon both benefit from Trick Room and are able to remove the two Pokémon Porygon hates: Magnemite and Munchlax. Cubone’s powerful STAB Earthquake coming off of a Thick Club-boosted Attack is nothing short of phenomenal, while Krabby’s Crabhammer hits extremely hard as well.</p>


    Mixed Trick Room Sweeper (open)

    <p>Mixed Trick Room Porygon’s best teammates are Pokémon that can set-up Trick Room and deal with the pesky Magnemite. Unfortunately, such Pokémon are limited in number. Bronzor is good for setting up Trick Room and can carry Earthquake to deal with Magnemite, though if Magnemite uses Magnet Rise this is problematic. Slow Fighting-types such as Machop and Makuhita make mincemeat out of Magnemite and Munchlax, also slow Ground-types such as Cubone or Trapinch work just as well.</p>


    TrickScarf (open)

    <p>Porygon can also effectively cripple opposing Pokémon by Tricking them a Choice item. Once this happens, Porygon can switch to an appropriate counter. The Pokémon you will be most commonly Tricking will be Magnemite and Munchlax, who will most often switch in on Porygon</p>

    <p>Tri Attack is, as always, a staple of the set and the main attacking option. Shadow Ball allows Porygon to hits incoming Ghosts or to surprise Misdreavus, who will expect an Agility. Thunderbolt dispatches of Mantyke and other Water-types, while Ice Beam can hit Gligar if you are uncomfortable with Tri Attack. Alternatively, Recover can be used to take advantage of Porygon’s bulk to regain lost health.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s best bets for teammates are Ghost-types and Pokémon who resist Fighting-type moves. Misdreavus and Drifloon both enjoy the free switch into a newly-choiced Fighting move to let them set up a free Substitute. Gligar also likes this, boosting itself safely once its Sub is up.</p> (copied and pasted team options are largely inappropriate (and show a lack of originality); if you don't have anything else to say you might as well leave this out imo)



    Team Options (open)


    <p>Thanks to Porygon’s excellent stats and wide movepool, it is viable on a variety of teams. It likes strong, physically-oriented teammates to eliminate its foes Munchlax and Magnemite. Elekid, Machop, Mankey and Gligar all fit this bill exceptionally well. Machop and Mankey can OHKO Munchlax with any of their STAB moves, while Elekid can OHKO Munchlax with Cross Chop after Stealth Rock and Gligar outright beats Munchlax with its superb physical bulk and powerful STAB Earthquake. Gligar also complements Porygon in that it resists Porygon’s only weakness, Fighting. Misdreavus is also able to beat Munchlax and Magnemite one-on-one and is immune to Fighting-type attacks. The fact that Porygon is immune to Ghost means that they work together excellently. Drifloon can also take advantage of Porygon's ability to force switches, coming in an setting up a Substitute as the opposing switch-in runs at the sight of Drifloon.</p>

    <p>In the case of Trick Room variants of Porygon, a few other teammates are viable. Munchlax, despite sharing a Fighting-weakness with Porygon, loves the Trick Room support and is exceptionally powerful. Machop is again usable; its mediocre Speed allows it to shine without need for a Choice Scarf. Duskull and Gastly are both able to set up Trick Room and are both immune to the Fighting-type that Porygon hates so much. Cubone also enjoys Trick Room conditions with its mammoth Attack thanks to Thick Club, low Speed and powerful STAB to easily wipe out opposing Pokémon.</p>


    Other Options (open)

    <p>Porygon can also use Gravity to gain access to its secondary trait, Download, along with 100% accurate Blizzard and Thunder, both of which are of equal Base Power to STAB Tri Attack, albeit with better coverage. It can also use Swift if it elects to use Download, which becomes stronger than Tri Attack if Porygon nets itself a Special Attack boost.</p>


    EVs (open)

    <p>Porygon’s EVs vary greatly from set to set. On Agility sets, maximum Speed is necessary to hit any notable Speed value at all. Whether you max Special Attack or HP depends on whether or not you plan to be boosting your Porygon's Special Attack. For Trick Room sets, the EVs normally used for Speed can instead be allotted to Attack or HP, allowing it to go mixed to beat Munchlax or to generally take more hits.</p>


    Opinion (open)

    <p>Porygon is quite possibly one of the coolest Pokémon out there, both because of flavor and its competitive value. With its excellent stat distribution it can play as either a pseudo-wall/supporter, a cleaner, or even a straight out sweeper. Although it sometimes has difficulty find itself onto a team when there are so many other strong Pokémon with weaknesses to Fighting (such as Munchlax, Carvanha or Houndour), it is easy to see why it is such an excellent Pokémon and is a threat to be prepared for.</p>


    Counters (open)

    <p>Porygon, despite its excellent attacking prowess, has a number of Pokémon that give it a bit of trouble. Magnemite stops Porygon cold if it doesn’t have a super effective Hidden Power. Munchlax stops non-mixed Porygon with its mammoth HP and Special Defense. Misdreavus gives Poryon that lack Shadow Ball trouble with its powerful Hidden Power Fighting. In a similar vein, Choice Scarfed Gastly can easily switch in on Tri Attack and hammer Porygon with a STAB Sludge Bomb, outpacing Modest Agility variants if Gastly itself is Timid. Croagunk's Vacuum Wave is a 2HKO, as is Magby's Mach Punch, both doing roughly 70% damage. Barring use of Hidden Power Ground, Porygon cannot OHKO either, allowing them to easily revenge kill it. Houndour's Sucker Punch also works in a similar vein, though it is technically possible to stall it out of Sucker Punch PP and then kill it with Tri Attack.</p>
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    [Overview]
    <p>Porygon is quite possibly one of the coolest Pokémon out there, both because of flavor and its competitive value. With its excellent stat distribution it can serve as either a pseudo-wall/supporter, a cleaner, or even an all-out sweeper. Although it sometimes has difficulty finding itself onto a team when there are so many other strong Pokémon with weaknesses to Fighting (such as Munchlax, Carvanha or Houndour), it is easy to see why it is such an excellent Pokémon and is a threat to be prepared for.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SpecsGon
    move1: Trick
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Shadow Ball
    move4: Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Recover
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest / Calm
    evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Porygon with Choice Specs is nothing to scoff at. Its already-impressive Special Attack, combined with its superb bulk, allows it to easily deal with a variety of threats. Trace allows it to switch into certain Pokemon for free, such as Chinchou, Mantyke or Houndour. From there, it can either immediately threaten with any of its three attacks. Usually, Shadow Ball will hit the incoming Ghost and KO it easily. From there, Shadow Ball will 2HKO any Pokemon who does not resist it. Tri Attack does much the same, allowing Porygon to deal with virtually any threat. Porygon is also unique in that it can very easily cripple Wynaut by tricking it Choice Specs and then flee, as Trace allows it to take Shadow Tag.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Porygon does not need Speed when running Specs, mainly due to how powerful its attacks are and how bulky it is. It can easily revenge-kill most Scarfers, even ones at full health, as well as significantly dent most Pokemon who don’t run Fighting-type moves.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s best bets for teammates are Ghost-types and Pokémon who resist Fighting-type moves. Drifloon enjoys the free switch into a newly-choiced Fighting move to let them set up a free Substitute. Gligar also likes this, boosting itself safely once its Substitute is up.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility
    move1: Agility
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
    move4: Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>One of Porygon's most dangerous sets, Agility rectifies Porygon's only subpar stat: Speed. With a Modest nature and 196 Speed EVs, Porygon hits 13 Speed and 19 Special Attack, enough to outspeed most of the notable Scarfers in the Metagame. Mankey and Houndour cap at 25 and Machop caps at 21. The only Choice Scarf Pokémon who are faster than this are Gligar and Diglett, both of whom are typically used other ways. Gastly can also outspeed with a Scarf, formerly its most common set, but has become rare of late.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Only Magnemite resists every move on this set, though it will not particularly enjoy any given move to its poor Special Defense and abysmal HP. If Magnemite presents itself as a problem, Porygon can use Hidden Power Ground to deal with it easier. Magby and Croagunk, both commonly-used revenge-killers, are beaten easily by Hidden Power Ground. Hidden Power Ground also offers almost unresisted coverage (barring the Normal/Flyings) combined with Shadow Ball, while Tri Attack hits everything quite hard. Munchlax gives this set trouble as well, being the token special wall, and slamming it back with a powerful Return.</p>

    <p>A powerful physical attacker complements this Porygon well. Fighters in particular are especially effective, thanks to their super effective STAB moves to hit Munchlax and Magnemite. Machop, with its superb bulk, is able to come in and immediately force out or kill either defensive threat, while Mankey can also serve this role well, as when it is holding a Choice Scarf, Mankey can U-turn away from their switch-in or Close Combat.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Set-Up
    move1: Trick Room
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Thunderbolt
    move4: Shadow Ball / Recover
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Trace
    nature: Quiet
    evs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Porygon is also among the most effective users of Trick Room. With its good stats and movepool, Porygon can begin attacking as soon as it has set up Trick Room, attacking before all but the slowest Pokémon in the metagame.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Trick Room is obviously the center of the set, as otherwise Porygon is just a slow attacker. It also serves as excellent team support, letting other slow teammates manage a sweep. Tri Attack again is the staple offensive move of the set, letting Porygon walk all over weak specially-defensive Pokémon. Thunderbolt allows Porygon to deal with Water-types more easily, while Shadow Ball lets it beat Ghosts. Alternatively, Recover is an option to allow Porygon more turns to use Trick Room.</p>

    <p>Trick Room Porygon does best with Trick Room abusing teammates, such as Cubone or Krabby. These Pokémon both benefit from Trick Room and are able to remove the two Pokémon Porygon hates: Magnemite and Munchlax. Cubone’s powerful STAB Earthquake coming off of a Thick Club-boosted Attack is nothing short of phenomenal, while Krabby’s Crabhammer hits extremely hard as well.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Mixed Trick Room Sweeper
    move1: Return
    move2: Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ground
    move3: Ice Beam
    move4: Shadow Ball / Trick Room
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Download
    nature: Quiet
    evs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is a variation on the above, mainly used when you have enough Trick Room support. By running Return over Tri Attack, Porygon is able to 2HKO Munchlax without a Download boost. Porygon’s powerful Special Attack is then able to plow through other threats with the classic BoltBeam combination. The equally-revered Fighting/Ghost combination is also usable, albeit with a good deal less Base Power in exchange for totally unresisted coverage. If another coverage attack does not appeal to you, you can use Trick Room so that Porygon can start its own party.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>This Porygon is stopped by very few Pokémon. Magnemite resists every move on the set barring Hidden Power Fighting or Hidden Power Ground and without a Special Attack Download boost, Porygon lacks the proper “oomph” to deal with it quickly, which is extremely detrimental to its sweep.</p>

    <p>Mixed Trick Room Porygon’s best teammates are Pokémon who can set up Trick Room and deal with the pesky Magnemite. Unfortunately, such Pokémon are limited in number. Bronzor is good for setting up Trick Room and can carry Earthquake to deal with Magnemite, though if Magnemite uses Magnet Rise this is problematic. Slow Fighters such as Machop and Makuhita make mincemeat out of Magnemite and Munchlax; also, slow Grounds such as Cubone or Trapinch work just as well.</p>

    name: TrickScarf
    move1: Trick
    move2: Tri Attack
    move3: Shadow Ball
    move4: Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Recover
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Trace
    nature: Timid
    evs: 76 HP / 236 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Porygon can also effectively cripple opposing Pokémon by Tricking them a Choice item. Once this happens, Porygon can switch to an appropriate counter. The Pokémon you will be most commonly Tricking will be Magnemite and Munchlax, who will most often switch in on Porygon.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Tri Attack is, as always, a staple to the set and the main attacking option. Shadow Ball allows Porygon to hits incoming Ghosts or to surprise those who expect an Agility. Thunderbolt dispatches with Mantyke and other Waters, while Ice Beam can hit Gligar if you are uncomfortable with Tri Attack. Alternatively, Recover can be used to take advantage of Porygon’s bulk to regain lost health.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s best bets for teammates are Ghost-types and Pokémon who resist Fighting-type moves. Gastly and Drifloon both enjoy the free switch into a newly-Choiced Fighting move to let them set up a free Substitute. Gligar also likes this, boosting itself safely once its Substitute is up.</p>


    [Team Options]

    <p>Thanks to Porygon’s excellent stats and wide movepool, it is viable on a variety of teams. It likes strong, physically-oriented teammates to eliminate its foes Munchlax and Magnemite. Elekid, Machop, Mankey and Gligar all fit this bill exceptionally well. Machop and Mankey can OHKO Munchlax with any of their STAB moves, while Elekid can OHKO Munchlax with Cross Chop after Stealth Rock; Gligar outright beats Munchlax with its superb physical bulk and powerful STAB Earthquake. Gligar also complements Porygon in that it resists Porygon’s only weakness, Fighting. The fact that Porygon is immune to Ghost means that they work together excellently. Drifloon can also take advantage of Porygon's ability to force switches, coming in and setting up a Substitute as the opposing switch-in runs at the sight of Drifloon.</p>

    <p>In the case of Trick Room variants of Porygon, a few other teammates are viable. Munchlax, despite sharing a Fighting-weakness with Porygon, loves the Trick Room support and is exceptionally powerful. Machop is again usable, its mediocre Speed allowing it to shine without need for a Scarf. Duskull and Gastly are both able to set up Trick Room and are both immune to the Fighting-type moves that Porygon hates so much. Cubone also enjoys Trick Room conditions with its mammoth Attack thanks to Thick Club, low Speed and powerful STAB to easily wipe out opposing Pokémon.</p>

    [Optional Changes]
    <p>Porygon can make use of its secondary trait, Download, only rarely. This is because, due to its genderlessness, it cannot have its level-up moves used with it because Download is a Generation 4 move and the Pomeg Glitch is Generation 4 only.</p>

    <p>Magic Coat can be of use against Paras, who is certain to use Spore against Porygon. If you want to go for a status route, Porygon can use Discharge or even Thunder Wave to cripple opposing Pokémon. Porygon also has access to Rain Dance, Thunder and the aforementioned Recover, allowing it to set it up again and again. It can also set up sun and use SolarBeam and Hidden Power Fire. On a hail team, Porygon’s good defenses combined with access to Recover, Blizzard and Hail all make it an excellent choice.</p>

    <p>Porygon can also use Gravity to gain access to its secondary trait, Download, along with 100% accurate Blizzard and Thunder, both of which are of equal Base Power to STAB Tri Attack, albeit with better coverage. It can also use Swift if it elects to use Download, which becomes stronger than Tri Attack if Porygon nets itself a Special Attack boost.</p>

    <p>Porygon’s EVs vary greatly from set to set. On Agility sets, maximum Speed is necessary to hit any notable Speed value at all. Whether you max Special Attack or HP depends on whether or not you plan to be boosting your Porygon's Special Attack. For Trick Room sets, the EVs normally used for Speed can instead be allotted to Attack or HP, allowing it to go mixed to beat Munchlax or to generally take more hits.</p>

    [Counters]
    <p>Porygon, despite its excellent attacking prowess, has a number of Pokémon who give it a bit of trouble. Magnemite stops Porygon cold if it doesn’t have a super effective Hidden Power. Munchlax stops non-mixed Porygon with its mammoth HP and Special Defense. In a similar vein, Scarf Gastly can easily switch in on Tri Attack and hammer Porygon with a STAB Sludge Bomb, outspeeding Modest Agility variants if Gastly itself is Timid. Croagunk's Vacuum Wave is a 2HKO, as is Magby's Mach Punch, both doing roughly 70% damage. Barring use of Hidden Power Ground, Porygon cannot OHKO either, allowing them to easily revenge-kill it. Houndour's Sucker Punch also works in a similar vein, though it is technically possible to stall it out of Sucker Punch PP and then kill it with Tri Attack.</p>
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