Porygon2 (Full Revamp) +

[Bourbon]

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/porygon2

[SET]
name: Defensive Duck
move 1: Discharge / Thunderbolt
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Thunder Wave / Toxic / Magic Coat
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SpA

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With monstrous physical threats such as Gyarados, Salamence, and Heatran looming in every corner there is almost no Pokemon that can reliably counter them all at the same time. However, one brave Pokemon still stands strong as being a reliable option to combatting all three of them, that Pokemon is Porygon2. Using its near exclusive ability, Trace, Porygon2 copies Intimidate and cuts Gyarados' and Salamence's Attack on the switch in, allowing it to easily take the beatings. Discharge does a minimum of 75% to Gyarados, OHKOing after Stealth Rock, and Thunderbolt does a minimum of 90%, OHKOing if it launches an attack, thanks to the Life Orb recoil. Porygon2 is also the game's best DD Salamence counter, being able to survive a +1 Life Orb Outrage, after it Traces Intimidate, and OHKO back with Ice Beam.</p>

<h3>Damage Calculations:</h3>
<pre>
Salamence:

-1 Life Orb Outrage: 40.38-47.7%
-1 Life Orb Brick Break: 33.88-40.11%
-1 Life Orb Dragon Claw: 27.1-31.98%

+1 -1 Life Orb Outrage: 60.98-71.82%
+1 -1 Life Orb Brick Break: 50.68-59.89%
+1 -1 Life Orb Dragon Claw: 40.38-47.7%

-1 Outrage: 31.17-36.86%
-1 Brick Break: 26.02-30.89%
-1 Dragon Claw: 20.86-24.66%
+1 -1 Outrage: 46.88-55.28%
+1 -1 Brick Break: 39.02-46.07%
+1 -1 Dragon Claw: 31.17-36.86%

Gyarados:

Bulky Gyarados:
-1 Waterfall: 17.89-21.14%
+1 -1 Waterfall: 26.56-31.44%

Offensive Gyarados:
-1 Life Orb Waterfall: 25.47-30.08%
+1 -1 Life Orb Waterfall: 38.21-45.26%
-1 Life Orb Aqua Tail: 29.00-34.15%
+1 -1 Life Orb Aqua Tail: 43.09-50.95%
</pre>

<p>Porygon2's usefulness doesn't stop there. It can switch into Heatran, Vaporeon, and Jolteon, with impunity, thanks to Trace. It is immune to Fire when it switches into Heatran and forces it out, threatening paralysis. Even if it comes in on Earth Power or Hidden Power it can shrug off the damage easily and Recover. Jolteon and Vaporeon's STAB attacks heal Porygon2, allowing him to wall them to no end. These examples are just scratching the surface of Porygon2's vast potential. Even Pokemon you can't really take advantage of have a hard time beating Porygon2; outside of STAB Fighting moves and powerful Choice Banded attacks, he can usually tank the hits and deal back damage in return with his special attacks or Toxic.</p>

<p>As far as moveslot 4 goes, Toxic is standard, allowing Porygon2 to tangle with walls a little easier. Coupled with Recover, you can get out of many tough situations with stalling alone. Magic Coat bounces status attacks back at the user, which can be fun, especially when Bronzong or Yanmega put themselves to sleep. This is a lot of fun and really annoys the opponent. Thunder Wave can be used if you drop Discharge for Thunderbolt. Porygon2 can easily cripple many sweepers with paralysis. Recycle can be interesting, used with a Sitrus Berry, Leppa Berry or Lum Berry. Sitrus is a free 25% health boost, turning many 2HKOs into 3HKOs. Leppa allows you to stall forever, because Porygon2 will never run out of PP. Lum Berry serves as a temporary status shield that can be replenished at any time.</p>

[SET]
name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Quiet
evs: evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpA
ivs: 0 spe


[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Porygon2 is an excellent user of the move Trick Room due to its natural bulk and low Speed.The strategy is simple. Take a hit, set up Trick Room, and respond to your opponent. Because Porygon2 will almost always go first, having a lot of Defense EVs is a waste of his potential. You'll have a really quick Recover to keep you healthy, so the remaining EVs are poured into Special Attack, turning Porygon2 into a fast, bulky special attacker.</p>

<p>Because Porygon2 is bulky enough to Trick Room several times a match, it is not recommended you sacrifice him like some other Trick Roomers. Keep him in good shape and you can set up Trick Room as often as you want. </p>

[SET]
name: Charge Beam
move 1: Charge Beam
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Tri Attack
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
ability: Trace
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpA

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Porygon2's natural resilience paired with Charge Beam allows it to become a dangerous boosting tank. In fact, with Blissey without Toxic or Calm Mind will never beat this Porygon2 since Porygon2 can Recover off any damage Blissey does and 2HKO most variants with a +6 Tri-Attack. Ice Beam is your other main attack move so you have to run maximum special attack to have a chance to 2HKO</p>

[SET]
name: Trick Specs
move 1: Trick
move 2: Recover
move 3: Discharge
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Choice Specs
ability: Trace
nature: Modest
evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpA


[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Porygon2 has a respectable base 105 Special Attack. Boosted by Choice Specs Porygon2 can act as an offensive threat. This set is largely done better by Porygon-Z but Porygon2 is bulkier and can make use of Recover giving it an interesting niche.</p>

<p>This is less bulky than the other set, but it's not a problem, as Gyarados and friends are still handily beaten. The Choice Specs allow you to take advantage of Porygon2's Special Attack so it'd be a waste not to boost it with some EVs and a Modest nature. You can no longer take on Salamence with this spread, as a +1 Life Orb Outrage will OHKO on average if there is Stealth Rock up. The Trick Specs set is less versatile than the other sets, due to being restricted to one move, but once you've Tricked something, it will function much more reasonably.</p>

[Other Options]

<p> Porygon2 has some other Electric attacks at its disposal, such as Zap Cannon. While inaccurate, it causes paralysis if it hits. This can be very handy for crippling a powerful sweeper as it switches in to smack your Porygon2 around. Conversion2 guarantees you will resist your opponent's last attack. Signal Beam can hit Celebi and other Psychics quite hard. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse help against Gengar and Rotom. Recycle and Rest can be used for a quick, reusable Chesto Rest but Recover is generally better. Defense Curl can be used over Recycle on the Special Defensive Duck set, patching up your compromised defense. Psych Up can copy Calm Minds from an opponent like Suicune; thanks to your Electric attacks and Recover you should come out on top. Tri Attack can be used over Ice Beam in some sets, but then you are walled by Rotom. Hidden Power Fire can be used to ward off Steels like Scizor and Metagross. If you can come in on Heatran's Fire Blast, it becomes a fairly powerful attack thanks to the Flash Fire boost.</p>

<p>Porygon2 can make use of Sharpen to beat Blissey 1 on 1 with Return, but outside of defeating Blissey it doesn't accomplish much of anything. Porygon2 can be EVed to combat special attackers, but you are almost always better off using Blissey for this role or even Snorlax.</p>

[EVs]

<p> Porygon2 you'll generally just want to max out HP and distribute the majority of the EVs to defense and no less then 40 Special Attack EVs on Bold natured sets to best combat Gyarados. Distributing the EVs to Special Defense can work but generally Porygon2 is better off taking on physical attackers. More offensive sets can even run Modest, with as much as 136 Special Attack EVs. Any more power isn't all that worth it. </p>

<p>Porygon2 can really be EVed to do pretty much anything... just be careful you aren't overspecializing and wasting its potential. The EV spreads listed here are only general guidelines, you can tweak them for a more offensive approach, or add more bulk. </p>

[Opinion]

<p>An interesting Pokémon to use, as it can do almost anything. Porygon2 can make a nice mixed tank, unlike the only other Tracer, Gardevoir. It also spreads status effects as if it had a big sneeze and sprayed its disgusting bacteria everywhere with every status effect possible. Although Porygon2 was initially ignored, it later was used more often because of its ability to stop several OU sweepers, the most notable of which is Gyarados. Unfortunately, its versatility leads to a downfall: it can be tailored to do anything, but as we all know from real life, multi-tasking is hard, and Porygon2 finds it hard as well. Essentially, it's good at everything, but not great at anything. However, Porygon2 is destructive to any opponent's team if used correctly, and is very usable in OU.</p>

[Counters]

<p> Very few Pokemon can switch into Porygon2 without being debilitated, either by Trick, Toxic, paralysis, or an elemental attack. Its balanced defenses and Recover make him a pretty sturdy Pokemon, so it takes considerable firepower to OHKO or even 2HKO. Fighting types in general are excellent choices, especially those with Guts, like Heracross, Machamp and Hariyama. They can take Porygon2's status attacks with little or no detriment to themselves, and scare it off with Fighting attacks. </p>

<p> Metagross and Tyranitar are sturdy enough to take any attack Porygon2 can throw at them, and they don't mind being paralyzed much. Blissey can wall a special attacking Porygon2, but by using Charge Beam, Return or Trick, Porygon2 will come out on top. Blissey needs Toxic to force out Porygon2 however, as the ability to Recover makes Seismic Tossing it futile. Electivire can come in on predicted Electric attacks and threaten with Cross Chop.</p>

<p> Take advantage of Porygon2's relatively low damage output and speed, and just keep hitting it hard. It can't stand up to repeated beatings for long. </p>

 

[Legacy Raider]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47230

This might help you. It was locked because apparently it wasn't different enough to warrant an analysis on its own. However if you are doing a full revamp it might be quite useful.

I think I have pretty much perfected the EV spread that I mentioned in there. It's on site already btw.

Basically it survives 2 -1 Life Orb Salamence Outrages, 3 -1 Life Orb Waterfalls, survives a Specs Meteor, OHKOs Mence with Ice Beam, and does 90% min to Life Orb Gyarados with Thunderbolt.

Feel free to use this in your analysis, or take whatever you want from it.

LR.

 

[Bourbon]

Ok, I got two sets up.

 

[Legacy Raider]

Good job, you did it justice.

Perhaps mention Porygon2's ability to absolutely destroy Dugtrio? Your spread take 48% max from Adamant CB Earthquake. Your EV spread is great and the extra defence is also nice insurance for taking Outrages in Sandstorm or Hail.

Also perhaps you should consider running Download on your SpecsTrick set. The additional boost is very much welcome on something that has only base 105 SpA and no boosting item once it has Tricked. I have always ran Download on sweeper P2 and I can safely say the boost is much more welcome than the safer switch in.

Well done, though.

 

[Bourbon]

I really don't want to put Download, because countering Gyarados is one of, if not the only thing Porygon2 does better than anything else. Download would just be making it a crappy Porygon-Z and we don't want that.

Trace gives so many free switch-ins too...

Anyways I am going to start working on a Sharpen set. I was inspired by the GSC Porygon2 analysis... hahaha

 

[Legacy Raider]

Yeah, I had a good chuckle at that too. If only it kept Curse in the transition... that would be amazing.

I would still argue Download over Trace, simply because of the fact that this differentiates itself from PZ because of its really good bulk and Recover. PZ is a one hit wonder whereas this thing can actually survive for quite a while.

Porygon2 will switch in easily enough with Trace but will not be able to do anything significant. Neither will it be able to counter as well as the other set without its defence EVs. It seems you are sitting on the fence between countering and sweeping with the second set, and as a result you end up with a compromise that can do neither particularly well.

If you are adamant about Trace then I suggest you forego Thunderbolt for Charge Beam. With Recover and its naturally high defensive stats Porygon2 can just sit there and stat up, alternating between recovery and Charge Beam. After 2 or so SpA boosts Porygon2 is very scary with Tri Attack. Charge Beam still 2HKOs Gyarados if you are really worried about that.

But I do urge you to add either Download or Charge Beam. Without those two the sweeper set is rather forgettable.

LR.

 

[Bourbon]

Ok, Charge Beam will suffice I guess. I will lower the Special Attack a bit and add some to defense. Huh, I never thought about this, but if you tricked the Specs onto Blissey like the set suggests, you can stat up worry free. Brilliant.

 

[Bourbon]

I am upset that good ol' Porygon2 isn't getting any attention! Does anyone have good set ideas... Porygon2 can do anything really... it's just a matter of making it non-gimmicky

 

[jumpluff]

Ok, I am about ready to start this, but I need some cool ideas for moves like Conversion, Conversion2, and Trick. PM me if you have any ideas.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/porygon2

[SET]

name: Defensive Duck
move 1: Discharge
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Toxic
nature: Bold
trait: Trace
evs: 232 HP / 238 DEF / 40 SpA
item: Leftovers

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> The new offensive Gyarados managed to rip through all of its previous counters. Starmie, Zapdos, Celebi... all easily swept aside by its powerful attacks. However, one brave Pokemon still stands in its way, unfazed by the ferocious water snake, and that Pokemon is Porygon2. Using its near exclusive ability, Trace, Porygon2 copies Intimidate and cuts Gyarados' Attack on the switch in, allowing it to easily take the beatings. What's more is that it learns Electric attacks and can OHKO Gyarados with little investment. Discharge does a minimum of 75% to Gyarados, OHKOing after Stealth Rock, and Thunderbolt does a minimum of 90%, OHKOing if it launches an attack, thanks to the Life Orb recoil. </p>

<p> Porygon2's usefulness doesn't stop there. It can switch into Heatran, Vaporeon, Jolteon, and DDmence with impunity, thanks to Trace. It is immune to Fire when it switches into Heatran, and forces it out, threatening paralysis. Even if it comes in on Earth Power or Hidden Power it can shrug off the damage easily<no comma> and Recover. Jolteon and Vaporeon's STAB attacks heal Porygon2, allowing him to wall them to no end. Even Pokémon you can't really take advantage of have a hard time beating Porygon2; outside of STAB Fighting moves and powerful Choice Banded attacks, he can usually tank the hits and deal back damage in return with his special attacks or Toxic. Dugtrio can also be taken advantage of. Its Earthquake is a 3HKO, and you can Trace Arena Trap, turning Porygon2 into the ultimate Toxic staller. Kill off Dugtrio, and your opponent's next Pokemon will be trapped with Porygon2. Use Recover and Toxic to deal with them unless they pose a threat. Even if you are forced out, you can rejoice in the fact that you killed Dugtrio, allowing your Ground weak Pokemon to rest easy. </p>


<h2>What do I put in that last moveslot?</h2>

<p>Toxic is standard, allowing Porygon2 to tangle with walls a little easier. Coupled with Recover, you can get out of many tough situations with stalling alone. </p>

<p> Magic Coat bounces status attacks back at the user, which can be fun, especially when Bronzong or Yanmega put themselves to sleep. After your opponent has seen this move, they will typically avoid statusing you in the future, which can be a handy advantage. </p>

<p> Conversion2 is a neat gimmick; if your opponent sends in a Choice Band user to deal with Porygon2, like say, Metagross, you can take the Meteor Mash and change type, so you now resist the attack. This is a lot of fun and really annoys the opponent. You can also take advantage of Trace by gaining an immunity to one attack, and then using Conversion2 to resist your opponent's other attack. This works well against Bronzong, Heatran, Flygon, Electivire, and more. It's especially fun with Dugtrio as you trap it, and then become resistant or immune to Earthquake. Then you can Recover back to full health and kill it at your leisure. </p>

<p>Thunder Wave can be used if you drop Discharge for Thunderbolt. Porygon2's low speed is his only downside, and paralyzing the opponent helps compensate for this weakness. </p>

<p>Hidden Power Fighting, Ground, or Fire can be used to deal with certain threats. Tri Attack can be used in this slot for a more offensive spin. Signal Beam can hurt Celebi quite badly, as it shrugs off Ice Beam most of the time. Shadow Ball helps against Ghosts.</p>

<p>Recycle can be interesting, used with a Sitrus Berry, Leppa Berry, or Lum Berry. Sitrus is a free 25% health boost, turning many 2HKOs into 3HKOs. Leppa allows you to stall forever, because Porygon2 will never run out of PP. Lum Berry serves as a temporary status shield<no comma> that can be replenished at any time thanks to Recycle.</p>

[SET]

name: Specially Defensive Duck
move 1: Recycle / Defense Curl
move 2: Thunderbolt / Charge Beam
move 3: Ice Beam / Tri Attack
move 4: Recover
nature: Calm
trait: Trace
evs: 232 HP / 40 SpA / 236 SpD
item: Leftovers / Leppa Berry

[SET COMMENTS]
<p> This spread takes advantage of Porygon2's high Special Defense stat, and uses it to counter Pokémon like Zapdos, Heatran, Starmie, Yanmega, and more. There are actually two sets here, and both will be explained in detail. The general goal is the same, but the first set concentrates on sweeping, while the second is geared more to countering special attackers rather than setting up on them.

<p>Use Defense Curl, Charge Beam, and Tri Attack together for a dangerous boosting tank. Defense Curl patches up your compromised Defense stat rather quickly, and then you can start using Charge Beam to boost up your offense. Tri Attack has good coverage with Charge Beam and also gets STAB, making it fairly lethal after a few boosts. The only things standing in its way are Toxic and Whirlwind; however, the most common phazers don't like getting smacked around by your boosted attacks, and will fall rather quickly. This set is a monster in the right hands, but it still has its downsides. Left to its own devices late game, it is all but guaranteed to sweep.</p>

<p>Use Recycle, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam, and you'll be able to defeat the above mentioned special attacking Pokemon quickly and easily. Recycle + Leppa Berry ensures you will always come out on top when facing Zapdos and Heatran, as you will never run out of PP. Recycle + Lum Berry helps against the Yanmega that still insist upon using Hypnosis. Recover keeps you perfectly healthy. Porygon2's impressive bulk makes it an effective counter for many special attackers. Just mind Focus Blast and you should do just fine.



[SET]

name: Trick Specs
move 1: Trick
move 2: Recover
move 3: Charge Beam
move 4: Tri Attack
nature: Modest
trait: Trace
evs: 232 HP / 136 SpA / 140 DEF
item: Choice Specs

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> Porygon2 has a respectable Special Attack stat at base 105. Boosted by Choice Specs, it can hurt pretty badly, firing off boosted Tri Attacks at the opponent. This would be vastly inferior to Porygon-Z if that was its only purpose, and this is where Trick comes in. Use Porygon2 to scare off Gyarados and smack stuff around until your opponent reveals their special wall. Then Trick the Choice Specs onto it, crippling it for the rest of the game. You'll probably receive Leftovers out of the deal. Now use Porygon2 to Charge Beam up<no comma> and sweep. With your opponent's special wall crippled by the Choice Specs, you'll have no problem ripping through the team with your mighty Tri Attack. </p>

<p> This is less bulky than the other set, but it's not a problem, as Gyarados is still handily beaten. The Choice Specs allow you to take advantage of Porygon2's Special Attack so it'd be a waste not to boost it with some EVs and a Modest nature. Avoid Salamence with this spread, as a +1 Life Orb Outrage will probably kill you if there is Stealth Rock up. This is why Ice Beam isn't included. You still get good coverage with Normal and Electric, so don't worry, you won't miss Ice Beam much.</p>

[SET]

name: I am 8-Bit
move 1: Sharpen
move 2: Return
move 3: Recover
move 4: Discharge
nature: Relaxed
trait: Trace
evs: 40 HP / 220 ATK / 188 DEF / 20 SpA / 40 Spe
item: Leftovers / Silk Scarf

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> Hearkening back to the good old days of RBY and GSC, Porygon2 "Returns" with a physical set, pun intended. Sharpen boosts that average Attack stat to a more respectable level, being able to 2HKO Blissey after the boost. Discharge is for type coverage, and 2HKOs Skarmory. The reason Discharge is used over Thunderbolt is because Skarmory can Roost, losing his Electric weakness. If it becomes paralyzed, however, it is slower, and cannot avoid being 2HKOed. Whirlwind also makes Skarmory go last, so again, it takes a beating from Discharge. </p>

<p> Return backed by a few Sharpens is very powerful. Underestimate at your own risk. With only one boost Porygon2 has 375 attack, making Return far more powerful than any special attacks Porygon2 posesses. One Sharpen allows you to 2HKO Blissey; with two, it 2HKOs Vaporeon. Three boosts allows you to 2HKO Celebi, four, Suicune <what does this bit mean? four?. Unless your opponent has a way of killing Porygon2 quickly, they will take a tremendous beating. Silk Scarf gives Return even more power, and allows you to 2HKO Suicune and even Hippowdon with the third Sharpen instead of the fourth. Your good friend Dugtrio is a prime Pokemon to start setting up on, especially if it is a Choice Scarfer<no comma> or a Choice Bander that isn't locked into Earthquake. </p>

<p> The EVs are very different from the other Porygon2 sets. The Attack EVs allow you to 2HKO Blissey after a Sharpen with Return, while the Speed EVs make you faster than it by two points. 20 Special Attack EVs allows you to 2HKO Skarmory with Discharge. The rest of the EVs are to bolster Porygon2's defensive capability. It takes hits about 15% worse than the first set, but it's still more than enough to beat Gyarados. </p>

<p> Steel and Rock-type pokemon are a huge annoyance to this Porygon2. However, a lot of them can't do much back to you, so just keep Sharpening in their faces and eventually they too will fall. Ghosts are even more bothersome, but generally can be removed by other means. Gengar and Mismagius hate paralysis so usually won't switch in, but the Rotom Appliances will. If you have Gyarados covered with another Pokemon, by all means, use Dark Pulse to keep the Ghosts away. </p>

[SET]

name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Recover
nature: Quiet
trait: Trace
evs: 232 HP / 136 SpA / 140 DEF
item: Leftovers

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> Porygon2 is one of the few Trick Roomers that is not part Psychic. This is a huge advantage because Trick Room teams in general have problems with Dark and Ghost Pokemon because of the Psychic typing. The strategy is simple. Take a hit, set up Trick Room, and respond to your opponent. Because Porygon2 will almost always go first, having a lot of Defense EVs is a waste of his potential. You'll have a really quick Recover to keep you healthy, so the remaining EVs are poured into Special Attack, turning Porygon2 into a fast, bulky special attacker. </p>

<p> Because Porygon2 is bulky enough to Trick Room several times a match, it is not recommended you sacrifice him like some other Trick Roomers. Keep him in good shape and you can set up Trick Room as often as you want. </p>

This is a nice analysis =) I love Porygon2 and I think these sets so far are good.

 

[Bourbon]

Thanks for the grammar checks! ; )

So yeah any more set ideas?

 

[Bourbon]

Just popping back in to say how awesome Sharpen Porygon2 is. I have found that it's actually best to switch INTO Blissey because you Trace Natural Cure, and can threaten it immediately.

Against crazy fast offensive teams (they don't hit hard enough to kill you), and stall teams it works excellently. I pack Muk so I can remove the Toxic Spikes, and from there you just rip stuff up.

My only issue is these Rotom Appliances, but I didn't see too many of them, and usually my Flygon can deal with them.

 

[Great Sage]

Tone down on the set names; stuff like "I am 8-bit" is not going to work out. Just integrate the possible options in the fourth slot into the first set's comments; there's no need for a separate section.

 

[Bourbon]

Thanks Great Sage, I made the changes you suggested.

Now, I think I can make room for one more set on here, question is... what? If no one has any ideas, I guess I'll just leave it as is. I just can't shake the feeling that something completely epic could be done with this movepool.

 

[Stellar]

It's better to include only the sets that we know work instead of trying to cram 'new and interesting' things into the analysis.

 

[Bourbon]

Don't worry Stellar, I'm going to avoid gimmicky sets altogether. But I'm testing Porygon2 pretty hardcore on the ladder and if I get a good set idea, I'll pass it by you guys.

 

[cim]

Starmie is still a DD Life Orb Gyarados counter if EVd correctly. Zapdos only fears Stone Edge and can take one Ice Fang IIRC, making it not a horrible counter if bulky.

Trick Charge Beam looks like it doesn't work. Minor problems include ease of walling, vulnerability of status, and the like. Rotom rapes it.

 

[Bourbon]

Edited Trickspecs to have boltbeam... and changed the goals of the set to compensate for this.

 

[Darklord]

Electivire deserves a mention as a counter. It can switch into predicted Thunderbolts/T-Waves to activate his ability and hit Porygon2 with Cross Chop.

 

[Evil Hamster]

Hate to nitpick, but the format you're using isn't laid out right. (link) Correct order is item, ability (as opposed to 'trait') nature, evs.

In the first set, you list 'Conversion' in the set itself, then only talk about 'Conversion2' in the set comments. I haven't got a clue which one does what, so I don't know which one is correct :p

 

[jumpluff]

Hate to nitpick, but the format you're using isn't laid out right. (link) Correct order is item, ability (as opposed to 'trait') nature, evs.

In the first set, you list 'Conversion' in the set itself, then only talk about 'Conversion2' in the set comments. I haven't got a clue which one does what, so I don't know which one is correct :p

Conversion changes your type to the last attack's type, e.g. if it's hit with Thunderbolt it becomes Electric.

But Conversion2 changes your type to any type resistant to the last attack's type, so you'd change to Ground or Grass.

@skiddle: IMO, in the Defensive Duck set, that's slashitis. Five seems ridiculously OTT, so I think scrap Conversion2 and Recycle and just mention it in the comments as an alternate strategy. The other three would probably see more use and be of more use anyway. Also, Thunder Wave > Thunderwave.

 

[Bourbon]

EDIT: Misaki-chi, I was right about Conversion. It changes you to one of your own move types (ie, Porygon2 in set one could become poison, ice, or electric depending on what move you replaced to make room for Conversion) which is pretty useless. None of the defensive types Porygon2 would want to become, such as Poison, or Steel are good offensive move types.

 

[jumpluff]

EDIT: Misaki-chi, I was right about Conversion. It changes you to one of your own move types (ie, Porygon2 in set one could become poison, ice, or electric depending on what move you replaced to make room for Conversion) which is pretty useless. None of the defensive types Porygon2 would want to become, such as Poison, or Steel are good offensive move types.

Oh, right, I was stupid and didn't check that. I see you are indeed correct.

 

[Serv]

Defensive Duck: 232 HP / 238 DEF / 40 SpA

Any particular threat you had in mind that this spread covers? After looking into the spread more I think it would be better to just max HP, place 36 EVs into SAtk and the rest in Def (252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk). This takes physical and special hits a bit better than the previous spread. Alternatively you can bump the Defense down two points to 296 and add the 8 EVs to SAtk if 256+ SAtk takes care of anything in particular.


Also I wouldn't say Porygon2 can switch in on DDMence with impunity seeing as it's 2HKO'd regardless of what defensive spread Pory has by a non boosted LO Outrage. Outside of that it does do pretty well against Bulkier variants that forgo heavy attack investment.

Thanks have a nice day ^^.

~edit:
@Legacy Raider: Nice catch I forgot to factor Intimidate if Salamence Outrages off the bat. Thanks my mistake.

 

[Legacy Raider]

Defensive Duck: 232 HP / 238 DEF / 40 SpA

Any particular threat you had in mind that this spread covers? After looking into the spread more I think it would be better to just max HP, place 36 EVs into SAtk and the rest in Def (252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk). From the calcs I see this takes physical and special hits a bit better than the previous spread. Alternatively you can bump the Defense down two points to 296 and add the 8 EVs to SAtk if it covers anything in particular.

Also I wouldn't say Porygon2 can switch in on DDMence with impunity seeing as it's 2HKO'd irregardless of what defensive spread Pory has by a non boosted LO Outrage. Outside of that it does do pretty well against Bulkier variants that forgo heavy attack investment.

Thanks have a nice day ^^.

Hmm, I don't see how Porygon2 can't switch into DD mence.

A full health p2 will always come out on top against a Life Orb Salamence. As you switch P2 into Salamence, there are two things it can do: either DD or Outrage.

If it DDs up, and then attacks with Outrage:
Neutral Atk (-1 Intimidate +1 DD) Life Orb Salamence Outrage vs 232/238 P2 - 61.2 - 72.4%
Porygon2 can survive one then OHKO with Ice Beam.

If it decides to Outrage off the bat:
-1 Atk (after Intimidate) Life Orb Salamence Outrage vs 232/238 P2 - 40.9 - 48.2%
You can take a second Outrage and OHKO with Ice Beam.

Maybe you forgot to take Porygon2's Intimdate into account.


EDIT: Skiddle, serious slashitis on the Defensive Duck. Have Toxic, Magic Coat and Conversion2 in the set, and talk about the others in the set comments. And didn't we decide Thunderbolt on that set to do the guaranteed 90% to Life Orb Gyarados? Discharge only guarantees 75% damage.

EDIT 2: Never mind about the Thunderbolt thing. I see you talked about it in your set comments.

 

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The fourth moveslot on the first set is ridiculously slashy. Mention in set comments does not necessitate inclusion in the actual set.