First off, my sincere apologies if this has been reported already or if I am just too retarded to figure out how to load Pokemon Lab. Firstly, I have a Mac OSX version 10.4.11. This was all done using the browser FireFox. Anyway, when I go to the stickied thread and hit "Client Download Link", I get my usual downloads popup, at which point I hit either "Open with Java Web Start" or "Save". I have tried both options; neither work. In any case, then Shoddy opens up like normal, except it says "Loading Pokemon Lab", with all the usual info and such, and then a popup screen saying "Trust certification" or something like that, and I hit "Trust". Then, however, whereas normally for Shoddy I go straight to the server list, I merely get a popup window titled "Java Web Start-Unexpected Error", with the only text below it being "Unable to launch Pokemon Lab". Below this are two options: "OK" and "details". I have tried hitting "OK" but obviously the program just quit, so I tried hitting "Details" and got this: Under "General": An error occurred while launching/running the application. Title: Pokemon Lab Vendor: Catherine Fitzpatrick and Benjamin Gwin Category: Unexpected Error Unexpected exception: java.lang.Exception Under "Launch File": A bigass program that I can't C/P but I will copy over if I really need to. Under "Exception": A series of four lines, which, again, it would be tedious to copy over, but I will do so if necessary. It starts with "java.lang.exception". Again, I couldn't C/P these bits so sorry if I copied them over slightly incorrectly/didn't copy over what was needed to figure out my problem. My thinking right now is that it is some type of firewall problem since I have had problems with my network in the past, but previously when I had problems with my firewall it would just tell me that the firewall was blocking it and that I needed to open up port something or other, which wasn't the case here. It also says that I have a lang exception of some type, which I figured could mean I need to update Java, but I updated java somewhat recently (like six months ago or so) and I currently have Java version 1.4.2; besides, I didn't see a minimum Java update required in the OP of the thread posted about it (again, sorry if I just can't read correctly). My deepest apologies if this is just me being retarded with a computer, or if this was asked before and I missed it and asked it again. It seems like every time someone posts a problem it is something they easily could have fixed on their own with a minimum of thought, and I only hope this isn't the case for me. Sorry if I wasted everyone's time, and thanks for any help I get!