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Proceeding with the Suspect Process

Discussion in 'Pokémon Policy' started by Aeolus, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. Jumpman16

    Jumpman16 np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)
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    That is why we encourage people to apply for special permission if they feel they deserve it. If someone were to only miss the second checkpoint, and then only by one point of deviation, but not think that we would hear his or her case out...how much did he or she want to vote, really? Same goes for the current process, actually...your marks are 1713/67 or 1663/54 and you don't actually apply for special permission? Do you want to have a say in this or not? (And I would probably be very, very inclined to let these people in to give the votes of people like 5KR as little weight as possible.)
  2. X-Act

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    They are based on a simulation of my Excel sheet of the glicko-2 system with the Shoddybattle parameters; hence they aren't arbitrary.

    I assumed that a person needs to play 20 battles in 10 days to show interest. When I simulated that, the deviation was never greater than 95 after 20 battles and never greater than 73 after 40 battles.
  3. Hipmonlee

    Hipmonlee Have a rice day
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    Would the check point system prevent a person cramming a lot just before the first check point and then not battling again during the month?

    Have a nice day.
  4. Jumpman16

    Jumpman16 np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)
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    i'd imagine there is a relatively easy way to determine whether or not someone played in checkpoints two and three—if we didnt check this we wouldn't be doing anything different from what we just did with skymin

    anyway:

    [16:04] <@christopher> <@Jumpman16> we want to test lati@s for a month then revisit skymin
    [16:04] <@christopher> leaving skymin in ubers?
    [16:04] <@christopher> as long as the lati@s test is done properly on a clean suspect ladder, i am ok with this

    that's that, i will make my "np: Lati@s" thread shortly
  5. JabbaTheGriffin

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    are we testing these individually or separately? considering they are slightly different (latios has more offensive options, latias has more defensive/support options) i really think we should test them one at a time.

    edit:

    read "So Lati@s is up now. It has been determined that it'd be more fair to enforce a makeshift "Species Clause" with these two pokemon, rather than testing one for one month and its sibling the next, and rather than allowing both to be used at the same time which would go against the aim of testing one Suspect in isolation at a time. We feel that they are similar enough that enforcing Species Clause will still give us the information we need to vote on both of them."

    don't agree but whatever guess i missed having my say on that part.
  6. david stone

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    I am opposed to a checkpoint system to avoid "cramming" because there's no reason to believe that battles at the end of a test are somehow less valid than those at the start. You're not somehow less likely to encounter the Pokemon.

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