Yo Theorymon here. As you may know, 5th gen has sort of got me into a panic, so I have to test stuff. This is a pretty dead thread that I have both fond and ummn... not very fond memories of, so I am gonna test a lot of things suggested in this thread and edit them depending on whether or not they work! Btw, the creative movesets thread will be cleaned out soon! For historical and comedy reasons, I undeleted all the posts in this thread! Have fun in the oldest Ubers forum thread! Project Ubers This is Project Uber, where we are testing everything, that we want to in the Uber metagame. People will try any sets they like (with in reason), with any pokemon they would like to use. So this thread isn't about if you think you can make Sunkurn sweep, or something just as stupid. Once you have decied what pokemon you would like to test, post in this thread to say what pokemon it is. We will document the results and then have a fairly nice list of pokemon that can be used in Ubers. The Uber players know most of the overused Uber sets, so doing anything with Kyogre, Dialga, Groudon etc. would be a little redundant. Though if you are planning to test the underused Ubers, Manaphy and Ho-Oh for example, then that is ok. If you have an idea for the specific Uber set please use the regular format: Pokemon @ Item Nature: Evs: Ability: (if there is more than one option) - move 1 - move 2 - move 3 - move 4 "Test before you suggest" If only people followed that =/ This is something that will get your posts deleted and possibly infracted if you don't follow this rule. Testing something like Tropius with no reasoning other than you want to is poor and not what we're looking for. I would like to stress that you do NOT make teams for Ubers out of just testing subjects! Make good teams, that are actually what would be considered standard and solid. If you do this the results are not at all valid, and will basically be invalid. Also, have others test the Pokemon as well as you! In addition, I would like to reiterate that any set posted in this thread should already have been tested by YOU before you post them here. Nearly any set-up sweeper can work well with Wobbufett support. Only post a sweeping set if it actually does well on its own, not after the opponent is at -1 Atk and Encored! SD Rayquaza is amazing with Wobbufett support, but it can also come in on some attacks and set up without it. It would be nice to know who is testing what, so if you are testing a set please post in this thread and give us a little blurb about how the pokemon is going. Remember, more than one person can test a set! I would like to remind you that even if a set doesn't work, please tell us so. The more information we have the better. Also just because a pokemon "Works" you can try out new sets and see how it will effect the game. When testing a set make sure to save a few battle logs, just encase we would like to see them. Here is a list of the pokemon we have tried up to this point: Lucario - Effective - Swords Dance Sweeper, with Stealth Rock support and a Swords Dance under his belt, Lucario can outspeed or OHKO most of the Metagame. It has several factors that differentiate it from Rayquaza, such a completely different set of resistances, a virtual Stealth Rock immunity and STAB Close Combat. Heh, this ended up getting Agility and lead sets too. Shiftry - Effective - Nasty Plot Sub Abuse, Shiftry with Sun support is an incredible sweeper due to it's stat up move, Nasty Plot, and his powerful Dark-type STAB. The only flaw in this set is if Kyogre or Rayquaza come out to ruin your fun with their Abilities. Its also a good Swords Dancer! Jumpluff - Effective - Sub Seed Sun Abuse, if the sun is shining the nothing in the game can outspeed this little Puffball, making it almost impossible to stop once it sets up Leech Seed.. Not much else to say here. Ludicolo - Effective - Rain Dish Sub Seed, same logic that goes with Jumpluff, except Ludicolo can also switch into Kyogre pretty much for free. Twash also uses some weird sweeper set with Snythesis o_O Blissey - Effective - Uber SpAtk Wall, this is pretty common, also one of the only Wish passers that gets used in the Uber metagame. I cant say much else here Tyranitar - Effective - Uber Trapper / Dragon Dance Tyranitar / Anti-Lead, trapping Latias and other pokemon is really helpful, especiall if they can't switch out, or stay in. Dragon Dance is amazing given Taunt to stop Lugia or Giratina from coming in to Phaze you or burn you. Anti-Lead handles almost everything thanks to the sash breaking ability of Sand Stream. Oh lord Tyranitar, I swear it can do everything! I have been testing stuff since July and STILL have more sets to test x_x Scizor - Effective - Uber Trapper, with the same logic as Tyranitar but a tad more extreme. With Technician Pursuit hurts almost the same amount as if the user did decide to switch out. Its also a good Swords Dancer! Metagross - Effective - Uber Trapper, not as effective as Tyranitar or Scizor, not getting STAB on Pursuit or a Technician Bonus, but his sky high Attack stat makes up for it. Metagross sure as hell ended up being more versatile than I thought, having a whoping 7 Ubers sets in the WIP analysis! Bronzong - Effective - Dual Screen, easy enough to use with Explosion and Dual Screen. Makes setting up Baton Pass Mew or another sweeper easy. It is also good at Stealth Rocking and stuff. Forretress - Effective - Hazard set up, really one of the few pokemon in Ubers that can set up entry hazards well. The analysis is still giving me nightmares. Gengar - Effective - Special Sweeper, with three immunities and a great Special Attack and Speed stat, Gengar can sweep and come in easy enough. I really need to test Pain Split. Jirachi - Effective - "Uberachi," a defense set that can pass Wishes, or Toxic Stall. U-Turn is great as it helps you scout your opponents moves. Jirachi is another insanely versatilemon, hell it even uses Draco Meteor well! Celebi - Effective - Anti lead, with the ability to Thunder Wave, set up Rocks and take a hit from all Kyogre sets, U-turn and instantly recover it's easy to see why Celebi works. Like Jirachi, Celebi is pretty versatile. Also, I cant wait for Nasty Plot wheee! Shaymin-s - Effective - Special Sweeper / SubSeed, The four attack special sweeper can hit almost everything in Ubers for damage, besides Skarmory and Bronzong who aren't see very much yet. Can't say much else here. Kingdra - Effective - Dragon Dance Mixed Sweeper, with Rain in abundance and Kingdra getting double STAB because of it, it's easy to set this pokemon up. He comes with one weakness too. Kingdra is so awesome. Skarmory - Effective - Physical Wall, in a metagame where the only other physical walls are Giratina and Lugia, Skarmory comes in with a handful of resistances and immunities that makes it preform just as well as the other two. Access to Spikes is invaluable. I should probably test Torment Skarmory. also fun fact: a +2 Brave Bird from Sharp Beak Skarmory can actually 2HKO Giratina after SR! Weavile - Effective - Physical Sweeper, with the given Choice Band Weavile can hit every Uber pokemon, besides Manaphy and Kyogre, for Super Effective damage. With the fear of Pursuit many Psychic-type pokemon will stay in to take a powerful Night Slash, and Dragon-types are picked off with Ice Shard. Screw Choice Band, go go LIFE ORB Jolteon - Effective - Sub Baton Pass, with the outstanding base speed Jolteon was given, it isn't too difficult to set up a Substitute and pass it off to another pokemon. Even if something threatening like Groudon comes in, use Yawn and you obtain yet another free turn. woah what? I better test this set. Ho-oh - Effective - Tank, probably one of the most underated Uber pokemon right here, with the great defenses and high Attack stat Ho-oh isn't getting OHKOed anytime soon, but is sure dealing them out with the sun up, still best to use with Rapid Spin support. BRAVE BIRD Mamoswine - Effective - Lead, this set can beat Groudon, Darkrai and Deoxys. Mamoswine then makse it easier to take on the opponents team. I actually ended up liking the Endeavor lead much better. Ninjask - Limbo - Ninjask can really only use Baton Pass, though if it gets a successful pass to the likes of Rayquaza or something then that would be great. Has an analysis already. Absol - Limbo - Is still beaten by the Scarf Darkrai lead, which was the main selling point of using this set. If the Darkrai doesn't use Trick, on the other hand, then Absol does work well. I barely even get the appeal of this. Kabutops - Limbo - Swords Dance Rain Abuser, without rain he is slow, and because of that he can't do much to anything else. So he only works when there is rain falling. Has an analysis already. Primeape - Limbo - Choice Scarf revenge killer, he was mainly used to Counter Darkrai, which he did. He just doesn't hit hard enough to be used much outside of just a Darkrai counter Has an analysis already. Heracross - Limbo - Choice Scarf Revenge, same logic as Primeape, but Heracross can hit Latias for STAB Super Effective damage. Getting an analysis. Heatran - Limbo - Bulky Tran / Specs Tran, the Bulky set did what it was supposed to do, lure out Kyogre as you used Substitue then Toxic him. Other than that he does have a a great amount of resistances, but not enough power. The same logic but reverse with the Specs Set. Heatran can deal some damage, but can't take hits as well. Turns out my Heatran analysis has 7 sets so far lol. Quagsire - Limbo - He was mainly used only to counter one specific pokemon, which isn't warrent enough to consider him an effective pokemon, but not bad enought to call him a failure. Has an analysis already. Poliwrath - Failure - The Sub Punch set lacked the power that was needed to get a few kills. Pretty much a worse Toxicroak, which wasn't good either. I bet this really sucks but maybe I will test it BECAUSE I CAN! Yanmega - Failed - Has a dreadful Stealth Rock weakness, and not only that doesn't have the defenses to take the powerful Uber hits. I bet I will end up testing this someday because I keep wishing that it could have Speedboost and Tinted Lens at the same time :( Tangrowth - Failed - He is outclassed by Victreebel and Shiftry in the case of sweepers, he also has a sub par Speed stat and a Special Defense stat which is terrible. What?! I hope to god this is better than Victreebel lol. I an defintly testing this, it does probably screw up a lot of Groudon, and it has EQ for Dialga. hell I could even use Rock Slide for Ho-Oh! Parasect - Failed - The time of parasect is over. lol if I find a good Parasect set I'll arange a party for Gen! Now... I do have a weird plan for Toxicroak that has a small chance of working for Parasect too... Toxicroak - Failed - Like Parasect, he cannot keep up with the new threats of Ubers. I am retesting this because I can! Also, I have some weird ideas like using Sash Toxicroak with Fake Out or Protect so SR might not ruin my sash, though I bet Toxicroak will end up just being a fun gimmick, I will test it again JUST IN CASE! Shedinja - Failed - Stealth Rocks are everywhere, the rare occasion where Rocks are not up and nothing can hurt Shed is too rare to be reliable. lol this might get an Ubers analysis because Ubers is its best chance at doing anything at all. Hitmontop - Failed - Hitmontop really only scares off Dialga and Darkrai. Dialga is a stretch since he has great defenses and outspeeds the little guy. Im not quite sure why, but for some reason I really want to retest Hitmontop, but I bet its gonna fail hard like it did for other people. Honchkrow - Failed - Really Honchkrow can't do shit to many leads, besides Darkrai. I actually have to test Honchkrow sets because of an analysis someone reserved x_x Raikou - Failed - It can't switch in, even if it does and forces something out a Calm Mind isn't enough to OHKO the threats needed. Hmm.. I think Manaic actually really likes Raikou, so I may give this one a shot. Dugtrio - Failed - Frail, can't do much to anything besides the occasional revenge kill. WHAAAAAAAAAT?! Dugtrio is so fucking awesome with Wobbuffet support! granted, screw CB Dugtrio. Houndoom - Failed - Either too weak or not fast enough. Houndoom may get the rare revenge kill when using the Choice Scarf set, though. Maybe I will test this to see how bad it is someday. Or maybe it doesnt suck... nah. Weavile - Failed - AntiLead set, because the only lead that Weavile stands a chance against is Deoxys. Yeah screw this set. Vaporeon - Failed - Tank, Vaporeon just lacks the defenses needed to withstand the power in the Uber tier. He is average defenses and resistances that almost mean nothing in the tier itself. Heh I heard madog used Vaporeon on Uber BP teams. Victreebel - Testing needed I wasn't too fond of this when I tested this for a short period of time, but I don't have a fully devloped opinion on this yet. Exeggutor - Testing needed Indeed, though that Shadow Sneak weak is gonna hurt. Vaporeon - Testing needed Maybe if I make a pure BP team... Walrein - Testing needed I don't even get why I would use this when the teams I use Abomasnow on aren't even mainly focused on Hail! Lapras - Testing needed Oh I never thought of this, sounds like another anti Kyogre gimmick though, but hey I might as well tes it anyways! Abomasnow - Effective - needs retesting Abomasnow is getting an analysis. Umbarsc and Theorymon are testing Deoxys-D Ferdie is testing a AntiLead Breloom Theorymon is testing lead Metagross hhjj is testing Starmie Darknessmalice has tested Skarmory - Works, With Skarmory's amazing defensive typing, and its huge defenses, he can take a hit a phaze the opponent away in no time at all Darknessmalice has tested Mamoswine- Effective, Mamoswine is a fantastic Anti Lead in the Uber metagame, and given his ability to survive sun boosted Fire Punch he is invaluable. PurpleWeezing, KD24, Steelrage and Locopoke have tested Hitmontop - Failed, can't do much outside of Darkrai Erazor and YoshithePirate have tested Yanmega - Failed, Yanmega does have the speed to compete with Ubers, but the lack of a hard hitting Special Attack stat hurts, lets not even mention Stealth Rock. Theorymon has tested Sub Petaya Empoleon - Failed, still can't do much damage and is outsped after an agility. Theorymon has tested Anti Lead Weavile - Failed, Weavile just cannot keep up with any other lead, besides Deoxys. Theorymon has tested Lead Mamoswine - Effective, just further confirmed that the set was a good one. Katherine has tested a Baton Pass Jolteon - Effective, with Jolteon's amazing Speed stat and the ability to put pokemon to sleep through Yawn it is easy to pass a Sub from this guy. Lets not forget the STAB Thunder. Misa has tested a Calm Mind Raikou - Failed, same logic that goes with Jolteon. Iluvtogekiss and 12345 have tested Toxicroak - Failed, Toxicroak just can't keep up with the metagame. It's beaten by too many things and only can come in on a handful of pokemon. Gen. Empoleon has tested a Choice Scarf and Nasty Plot Houndoom - Failed, Houndoom either suffers from a lack of power when using the choice set, or he suffers from a lack of speed when using something else. It is not difficult to outplay and a Blissey will come in and wall easily. Gen. Empoleon has tested a Rock Polish Torterra - Failed, Torterra is pretty much a worse Groudon with Grass-type STAB, which was the main reason I was using it in the first place. GO GO TORTERRA + GROUDON! On a serious note, I bet the Speed screw this one over, but for some reason I want to test it... TheChocolateBunny has tested a Tank Ho-Oh - Effective, Ho-oh has an amazing Special Defense that allows it to shrug off quite a few hits, not only that but with Roost Stealth Rock damage is gone, though having a Spinner on your team would be helpful to our bird friend. Bologo has tested Absol - Limbo, Absol is too frail and not fast enough to do a good enough job in Ubers, the anti lead set only works occasionally, so even then it is difficult to say. reachzero and noob3 have tested a Sweeper Weavile - Effective, Weavile comes with enough power and speed to hit every Uber for at least neutral damage. Choice Band, Life Orb or Expert Belt is really all up to you. Diingbong has tested a Baton Pass Niinjask - Limbo, Ninjask does what is supposed to do, pass speed; sometimes Ninjask can't do that thanks to Stealth Rock, or he gets roared away. Veedrock has retested Dragon Dance Kingdra - Effective, with Rain everywhere and Kingdra getting double STAB is great. Swift Swim + Dragon Dance also happens to cause a lot of switches as even if rain is gone, Kingdra still has speed and power. Darkseeker has tested Vaporeon - Failed, "I always felt vappy was the weak point in my team and i could improve only if i replaced vappy." We will also be posting the sets that have worked, though I don't have access to all the information as this project is still new. I need EVs for Metagross, Kabutops and Bronzong. Also if there are too many slashes for a pokemon, please tell me which are and are no necessary. Effective @ Life Orb Adamant / Jolly Nature 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP - Swords Dance - Close Combat - Crunch - Extreme Speed Life Orb Rash Nature 24 Atk / 252 SpA / 232 Spe - Nasty Plot - Grass Knot / Solarbeam - Dark Pulse - Explosion / Hidden Power Fire @ Leftovers Timid Nature 188 Def/252 Spd/70 SDef Chlorophyll - Encore - Substitute - Leech Seed - Sleep Powder @ Leftovers Calm Nature 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD Rain Dish - Leech Seed - Protect - Grass Knot - Ice Beam / Toxic @ Leftovers Calm Nature 6 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD Natural Cure - Wish - Protect - Toxic - Seismic Toss @ Choice Band Careful / Adamant Nature 252 HP / 56 Atk / 200 SpDef - Stone Edge - Pursuit - Crunch - Earthquake @ Life Orb / Lum Berry Jolly nature 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP - Dragon Dance - Taunt - Crunch - Earthquake @ Lum Berry Adamant nature 84 Atk / 184 SpD / 240 HP - Superpower - Stealth Rock - Crunch - Thunder Wave @ Choice Band Adamant Nature 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SpDef Technician - Pursuit - Bullet Punch - Superpower - U-turn @ Choice Band Adamant nature / / / - Meteor Mash - Pursuit - Bullet Punch / Earthquaje - Trick / Earthquake @ Light Clay Nature / / / - Reflect - Light Screen - Explosion - Hypnosis @ Leftovers Impish Nature 252 HP / 12 Atk / 244 SpD - Toxic Spikes - Rapid Spin - Payback / Earthquake / Gyro Ball - Explosion / Spikes / Stealth Rock @ Life Orb Timid nature 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP Levitate - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast - HP Fire / Ice - Explosion @ Leftovers Careful Nature 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD - Wish - U-turn - Toxic - Protect @ Leftovers Calm Nature 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD - Recover - Thunderwave - Stealth Rock - Grass Knot @ Life Orb Timid Nature 6 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe - Air Slash - Seed Flare - Earth Power - Hidden Power (Ice) @ Leftovers Timid Nature 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk - Substitute - Leech Seed - Earth Power / Hp Fire - Seed Flare @ Life Orb Lonely Nature 208 Atk / 136 SpA / 164 Spe Swift Swim - Dragon Dance - Waterfall - Outrage - Draco Meteor @ Leftovers Bold Nature 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SDef - Spikes - Roost - Whirlwind - Stealth Rock / Toxic @ Leftovers Sassy nature 252 HP/24 Spd/20 SAtk/212 SDef Snow Warning - Wood Hammer - Blizzard - Leech Seed - Protect @ Choice Band Adamant / Jolly Nature 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe - Ice Shard - Brick Break - Night Slash - Pursuit @ Leftovers Timid Nature 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe - Thunder - Subsitute - Yawn - Baton Pass @ Life Orb 224 hp / 252 atk / 8 spD / 24 spe Adamant Nature -sacred fire -Earthquake -roost -Return / punishment / substitute @ Lum Berry Adamant Nature 252 attack / 136 Def / 116 speed - Earthquake - Ice Shard - Avalanche - Superower Limbo @ Leftovers / Focus Sash Jolly Nature 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe - Swords Dance - Protect - X-Scissor - Baton Pass @ Focus Sash Adamant Nature 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Super Luck - Snatch / Taunt - Night Slash - Sucker Punch - Magic Coat @ Life Orb Adamant Nature / / / - Swords Dance - Waterfall - Stone Edge - Brick Break @ Choice Scarf Adamant Nature 252 Atk / 188 Spe / 70 HP - Close Combat - U-Turn - Stone Edge - Punishment / Ice Punch @ Choice Scarf Adamant Nature 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Guts - Close Combat - Megahorn - Stone Edge - Sleep Talk @ Leftovers Careful Nature 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD Water Absorb - Toxic - Encore - Yawn - Ice Punch / Brick Break @ Leftovers Quiet Nature 252 HP / 124 SpA / 132 SpD - Fire Blast - Toxic - Substitute - Hidden Power [GRASS] / Explosion @ Choice Specs Quiet Nature 252 HP / 160 SpA / 96 SDef - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Hidden Power [GRASS] / Dragon Pulse - Explosion Yo, Theorymon here. later I am gonna put up a GRAND TESTING LIST of almost everything I have tested in national pokedex order, absurd or not!