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Project "Update Overviews" (post 1 updated with reservations)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Aldaron, Oct 31, 2012.

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  1. alexwolf

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    Moltres

    New Overview (open)
    <p>Moltres was always a bad Pokemon to use in OU. Losing 50% of its health from Stealth Rock, having a mediocre 90 base Speed, being weak to Electric-, Rock-, and Water-type moves, and being outclassed by the Fire-types of OU were the main reasons that Moltres never saw any real use. However, Moltres got Hurricane in BW2, which gave it a reason to be used OU. While it faces stiff competition with OU's prime Hurricane user, Tornadus-T, it has its own unique traits to distinguish it from it. Those are a much stronger Hurricane due to the higher Special Attack stat, the ability to get past Jirachi, Bronzong, Metagross, and OHKO Ferrothorn in rain unlike Tornadus-T, and lastly the ability to switch easily into many Pokemon that sun teams carry, and from there punch holes with a stupidly strong Fire Blast. Even if those traits are not enough for Moltres to escape from the shadow of Tornadus-T, its crippling Stealth Rock weakness, its weakness to common attacking moves, and its middling Speed, Moltres and Tornadus-T when combined together form a destructive Hurricane combo, where Moltres weakens the Pokemon that prevent Tornadus-T from cleaning up late game. So, while Moltres needs a ton of support to work, it has a specific niche, the ability to work as a wallbreaking partner for Tornadus-T, which makes it viable in OU.</p>
  2. Steven Snype

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    Keldeo GP (1/2):

    <p>Keldeo may arguably be the cutest Pokemon in the OU tier, but that's not all there is to this pretty pony! With a great base 129 Special Attack and a good base 108 Speed, it has all the tools it needs to punch holes in opposing teams with relative ease. With Secret Sword, it becomes one of the only special attackers in the entire metagame that is capable of getting past Chansey and Blissey with ease. With all of these pros, it's hard to imagine that there are reasons to not use Keldeo, but sadly, this is the case. While Keldeo has great STAB coverage, which also includes access to powerful moves such as Hydro Pump and Secret Sword, it has a very shallow movepool. In fact, what walls Keldeo is usually determined solely by its moveset. Keldeo is usually limited to running its STABs and a Hidden Power of choice for coverage, but this pony certainly doesn't lack flexibility. With a great boosting option in Calm Mind, the choice to boost its power with a Life Orb or Choice Specs, and the ability to speed up with Choice Scarf, Keldeo can definitely wreak havoc on opposing teams.</p>
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    I have to agree with PK Gaming that the "hax" jokes are just stupid. The real problem is that they just don't seem to mix in well or contribute to the analysis at all. They feel forced, and trying to force flavour into an analysis is one of the worst things you can do.
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    Such as?.....nobody. Aqua Tail, Superpower? Hmm...Skarmory? No. Kyurem-B has Fusion Bolt. Hippowdon and Gliscor? Kyurem-B has ice beam. Ferrothorn? No. Focus Blast. Jirachi? No. Earth Power.

    I am just pointing out what is wrong. BTW Kyurem-B can get past everything in OU with the right move. Ice neutrality lets it beat Genesect.
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    To be fair, Haxorus can conceivably run Outrage/Aqua Tail/Superpower/Dragon or Swords Dance and gain all that delicious coverage while Kyurem-B is not able to get such easy coverage. Haxorus doesn't NEED Earthquake between the other three, as it really only hits Heatran harder. You listed four moves for Kyurem, but three of them use his much weaker Special Attack and didn't even give him a Dragon STAB, so he's going to be walled by something whereas Haxorus CAN beat all his checks.

    Now, to keep this from being ENTIRELY off-topic, judging from the discussion on the Suspect Test threads, it looks like Genesect will be getting the boot. A lot of people, myself included, mention Genesect explicitly in our new overviews. Should we look into fixing this and keep them in reserve, or just wait until the Suspect is actually finished?
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    AirLoon/Sub Heatran is the biggest one. Bronzong. Ferrothron without having to rely on focus miss. Scizor (Aqua Tail hits for neutral). And it can do this as well as get past all the threats you mentioned without having to give up anything - Kyurem-B, on the other hand, can only pack some of those moves, has to give up EVs for KOs/not getting KO'd somewhere, and doesn't have access to the glorious setup that is Dragon Dance. Also has to rely on Focus Miss to get past ferrothorn, and we all know how reliable Focus Miss is.


    Scrafty has already been done by BallaBrown, sorry.
  7. alexwolf

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    Rotom-H

    Old Overview (open)
    When Rotom-H lost its Ghost typing, it got a mixed bag of goodies. It lost its ability to block Rapid Spin but gained a unique typing in Electric / Fire. With its quadruple weakness to Ground-type moves nullified by Levitate, Rotom-H's typing grants it only two weaknesses, to Water and Rock, while giving it useful resistances to Fire-, Grass-, Electric-, and Ice-type attacks. The weakness to Rock hampers its ability to switch in often, being vulnerable to Stealth Rock, and Rotom-H will have a hard time popping in and out like it used to without Rapid Spin support. With the ability to take down the Jellicent / Ferrothorn core with relative ease and eliminate dangerous threats, namely Heatran and Scizor, Rotom-H is still a solid choice that should not be taken lightly.

    On the whole, Rotom-H is still a respectable Pokemon with well distributed stats, a good typing that resists the BoltBeam combination, and great STAB. With the proper team support and a bit of patience, Rotom-H can fit into many teams and it can easily do some serious damage with the right team support. Underestimate this toaster at your peril.

    New Overview (open)
    <p>Although Rotom-H didn't get any improvements in BW2 the metagame became much friendlier to it. Some big names were introduced to the OU scene and Rotom-H is capable of checking most of them, particularly Genesect, Tornadus-T, and Thundurus-T, by virtue of its typing. In addition, Rotom-H can serve as a roadblock against many Pokemon commonly found in sun teams, such as Ninetales, Venusaur, and Volcarona, further increasing its usefulness as a defensive Pokemon. Rotom-H also has Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, and Will-O-Wisp in its arsenal which coupled with its eight immunities and resistances makes it a great pivot and status spreader. Rotom-H can go on the offensive too with a Choice Specs set and sun support, as it has great dual STABs, Volt Switch to keep momentum, and great resistances to work with, shielding temporarily sun teams from otherwise problematic Pokemon such as Tornadus-T.</p>

    <p>However, this is where the heat cools down for Rotom-H. The Stealth Rock weakness is its biggest downfall, greatly limiting its viability as a defensive and a hit and run Pokemon. The prevelance of rain teams is another thorn on Rotom-H's side, as Water attacks will be flying everywhere and Rotom-H's main STAB move will have its power halved, leaving it unable to properly damage many Pokemon that it checks. Finally the lack of a reliable recovery move and the mediocre Speed stat make its defenisve and offensive duties respectively much harder to fulfill.</p>
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    I would like to reserve Azelf if thats OK
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    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=34 (Yee, infernape): 2/2

    Infernape's mixed attacking talents will no longer help it out the way they have befor the rest of his career. The name of the game in BW2 is all-out offense, which for an attacker generally means do one thing and do it well. On the physical side, offensive teams with only one dedicated physical wall are consistently broken by Rock Gem Terrakion, who boasts far stronger physical attacks and much higher usable bulk when used in sand. On the special side, Infernape isn't very good to start with. Rain teams in particular have pPokemon like, such as Tentacruel and Tornadus-T, which assure he can notwill pull a sweep or even leave lasting damage. If you attempt to counteract the weather with your own, you run into the problem of Venusaur, Victini, and Darmanitan collectively outclassing it under sun while returning to the original Terrakion + any top -tier special attacker problem in sand and hail. Infernape's past gave him reasons to be used against stall, which has an easier time stacking physical walls to beat Terrakion's sets than his, in particular sun stall teams with Sableye despised him because he can 2HKO anything under the sun without being halted by a burn. However, stall is not a significant part of BW2 and the chances of finding a proper place for Infernape in your team are slim.

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    Infernape's mixed attacking talents will no longer help it out the way they have before. The name of the game in BW2 is all-out offense, which for an attacker generally means do one thing and do it well. On the physical side, offensive teams with only one dedicated physical wall are consistently broken by Rock Gem Terrakion, who boasts far stronger physical attacks and much higher usable bulk when used in sand. On the special side, Infernape isn't very good to start with. Rain teams in particular have Pokemon, such as Tentacruel and Tornadus-T, which assure he will pull a sweep or even leave lasting damage. If you attempt to counteract the weather with your own, you run into the problem of Venusaur, Victini, and Darmanitan collectively outclassing it under sun while returning to the original Terrakion + any top-tier special attacker problem in sand and hail. Infernape's past gave him reasons to be used against stall, which has an easier time stacking physical walls to beat Terrakion's sets than his, in particular sun stall teams with Sableye despised him because he can 2HKO anything under the sun without being halted by a burn. However, stall is not a significant part of BW2 and the chances of finding a proper place for Infernape in your team are slim.


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    Infernape's mixed attacking talents willare no longer thelp it out the way pinnacle of wallbreaking as they have befowere in DPP. The name of the game in BW2 is all-out offense, which for an attacker generally means do one thing and do it well. On the physical side, offensive teams with only one dedicated physical wall are consistently broken by Rock Gem Terrakion, whoich boasts far stronger physical attacks and much higher usable bulk when used in sand. On the special side, Infernape consisn't vertently good to startruggles with. R rain teams in p, which are both effecticularve and prevalent in the metagame; they have Pokemon, such as Tentacruel and Tornadus-T, which asensure that Infernape will never pull off a sweep, or even leave lasting damage. If you attempt to counteract the weather with your own, you run into the problem of Venusaur, Victini, and Darmanitan collectively outclassbeing it undbetter sun while returning toabusers. In the original Terrakion + any top-tier special attacker problem in sand and hail.early days of BW1, Infernape's past gave him reasons to be used was effective against stall, which has an easier time stacking physical walls to bdeal with Terrakion's sets often lead than his, in particular sem to being weak to Infernape's mixed prowess. Sun stall suffered teams wihe most, particularly those that used Sableye despised , as Infernape, whim because he can 2HKO anything undll members of mosthe sun withteams, could not being halt stopped by a burnwith Will-O-Wisp. However, stall is not a significant part of BW2, and the chances of finding a proper place for Infernape in your team are now slim.

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  11. sirndpt

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    way too jetlagged to care/ check rn, but oh dear i really hope aldaron's OP was updated

    yea (open)
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4454117&postcount=35


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4454301&postcount=37


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4454483&postcount=44


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4454924&postcount=51

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4454964&postcount=54


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4455052&postcount=55


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4455334&postcount=59

    not sure whether it's entirely my place to say so, but tbh IDK about this one :/ it's a bit overdramatic / fluffy (particularly the 'jirachi is a great pokemon worth using on many teams / any team' line - which you even reused D: !) and doesn't have much actual content, other than the stuff we can easily tell just by looking at a generic pokedex entry / a typechart / a learnset - try including information along the lines of, idk, its main roles, playstyles it works best in / against, things to consider when using it on a team.

    i really liked the first sentence, though :>


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4455336&postcount=60


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4455409&postcount=61


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4455846&postcount=62


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4457881&postcount=63


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458099&postcount=64


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4459875&postcount=65


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4461721&postcount=68


    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4464341&postcount=69



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    The OP has not been updated, as aldaron is kind of lazy. Here's a updated OP for you all in the meantime until aldraon gets around to adding it.

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    By user:

    Aldaron - writer and adviser - Sableye

    alexwolf - writer - Xatu / Moltres

    Arcticblast - writer - Magneton

    Ballabrown24 - writer and adviser - Deoxys-D / Hitmontop / Aerodactyl / Hitmontop / Staraptor / Scrafty / Ninjask / Dugtrio / Virizion

    DarkBlazeR - writer - Scizor

    capefeather - writer - Chandelure / Porygon2

    ernesto - writer - Crobat / Slowbro / Tornadus

    JabbaTheGriffin - writer and adviser - Terrakion

    Iconic - writer and adviser - Sharpedo / Ferrothorn / Venusaur

    Harsha - writer and adviser - Keldeo / Ninetales / Politoed / Volcarona

    lord of bays - writer - Hydreigon

    myzozoa - writer and adviser - Deoxys-D

    Nachos - writer and adviser - Abomasnow / Metagross / Tyranitar

    nyttyn - writer - Blissey / Ditto / Jirachi / Haxorus

    pokemon0078 - writer - Gastrodon / Lilligant / Smeargle

    Swamp-Rocket - writer - Hippowdon

    Temp V1 - writer - Cresselia / Landorus-T

    ThisMysteriousGuy - writer - Scrafty

    undisputed - writer and adviser - Dragonite / Tornadus-T / Gengar / Heatran / Latios / Latias

    yee - writer and adviser - Infernape / Tangrowth / Chansey / Jellicent

    By Pokemon:

    Aerodactyl - Analysis: ballabrown24
    Alakazam
    Amoonguss
    Azelf
    Azumarill
    Bisharp
    Blissey - Writer: nyttyn
    Breloom - Analysis: Seven Deadly Sins
    Bronzong
    Carracosta
    Celebi - Analysis: alexwolf
    Chandelure - Writer: capefeather
    Chansey - Writer / Adviser: yee
    Cloyster
    Cobalion
    Cofagrigus
    Conkeldurr - Analysis: ThePillsburyDoughBoy (Abandoned, needs to be taken over)
    Crawdaunt
    Cresselia
    Crobat - Writer / Adviser: ernesto
    Darmanitan
    Deoxys-D - Writer / Adviser: myzozoa, Analysis - ballabrown24
    Ditto - Writer/Adviser: nyttyn
    Donphan - Analysis: Arcticblast
    Dragonite - Writer / Adviser: undisputed
    Dugtrio - Writer / Adviser: ballabrown24
    Durant
    Dusknoir
    Empoleon
    Espeon
    Exeggutor
    Farfetch'd
    Feraligatr
    Ferrothorn - Writer / Adviser: Iconic
    Forretress
    Froslass
    Gallade
    Galvantula
    Gastrodon - Writer / Adviser: pokemon0078
    Gengar - Writer / Adviser: undisputed
    Gliscor - Analysis: Electrolyte
    Golurk
    Gorebyss
    Gyarados
    Haxorus - Writer: nyttyn
    Heatran - Writer / Adviser: undisputed
    Heracross
    Hippowdon - Writer: Swamp-Rocket
    Hitmontop - Writer / Adviser - Ballabrown24
    Huntail
    Hydreigon - Writer / Adviser: Lord of bays
    Infernape - Writer / Adviser: yee
    Jellicent - Writer / Adviser: yee
    Jirachi - Writer: nyttyn[/ur]
    Jolteon
    Jynx
    Kabutops
    Keldeo - Writer / Adviser: Harsha
    Kingdra
    Kyurem
    Landorus
    Latias - Writer / Adviser: undisputed, Analysis: shrang
    Latios - Writer / Adviser: undisputed, Analysis: Lavos Spawn (abandoned, needs taking over)
    Lilligant - Writer / Adviser: pokemon0078
    Lucario
    Ludicolo
    Machamp
    Magikarp
    Magneton - Writer / Adviser: Arcticblast
    Magnezone
    Mamoswine
    Mandibuzz
    Medicham
    Meloetta
    Meloetta-P
    Metagross - Writer / Adviser: Nachos, Analysis: religiousjedi
    Mew
    Mienshao
    Milotic
    Moltres - writer - alexwolf
    Nidoking
    Nidoqueen
    Ninetales - Writer / Adviser: Harsha
    Ninjask - Writer/ Adviser: ballabrown24
    Omastar
    Parasect
    Politoed - Writer / Adviser: Harsha
    Porygon2 - Writer: capefeather
    Quagsire
    Raikou
    Reuniclus
    Roserade - Analysis: Arcticblast
    Rotom
    Rotom-C
    Rotom-H - Analysis: alexworlf[/ur]
    Rotom-W - Analysis: alexwolf
    Sableye - Writer / Adviser: Aldaron[/ur]
    Salamence - Analysis: LucaroarkZ
    Sandslash
    Sawsbuck
    Sceptile
    Scizor - Writer: DarkBlazeR
    Scolipede
    Scrafty - Writer / Adviser: ballabrown24
    Sharpedo - Writer / Adviser: Iconic
    Shaymin
    Shiftry
    Sigilyph
    Skarmory
    Slowbro - Writer / Adviser: ernesto
    Slowking
    Smeargle - Writer / Adviser: pokemon0078
    Staraptor - Writer / Adviser: ballabrown24
    Starmie
    Stoutland
    Suicune
    Swampert
    Tangrowth - Writer / Adviser: yee
    Tentacruel
    Terrakion - Writer / Adviser: JabbaTheGriffin
    Throh
    Togekiss
    Tornadus - Writer / Adviser: ernesto
    Tornadus-T - Writer / Adviser: undisputed
    Toxicroak
    Tyranitar - Writer / Adviser: Nachos, Analysis: Trinitrotoluene
    Vaporeon
    Venomoth
    Venusaur - Writer / Adviser: Iconic
    Victini
    Victreebel
    Virizion - Writer / Adviser: ballabrown24
    Volbeat
    Volcarona - Writer / Adviser: Harsha
    Weavile
    Whimsicott
    Wobbuffet - Analysis: pokemon0078
    Xatu - Writer / Adviser / Analysis: alexwolf
    Yanmega
    Zapdos
    Zoroark
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    So I figured it couldn't hurt to dole out some problems I have with other overviews. With that in mind, I have to single out nyttyn.

    The proposed Blissey overview is not only longer than and just as verbose as the overview it intends to replace, but also much less well-written and riddled with mistakes and annoying memes. (Can we seriously stop using the term "fat/pink blob"? They arguably don't even fit the definition of "blob".) It talks as if Chansey is its only competition as a special wall, when it really isn't.

    I feel that the proposed Jirachi overview actually isn't saying enough. Maybe the old overview was too wordy, but at the very least, it gave the impression that it is a very versatile Pokemon, which is a very big point for Jirachi. The mentions of Jirachi's weaknesses seem lazy.

    Ditto still promotes an abject lie and probably should be completely retooled.

    P.S. 1: Lord of Bays's Hydreigon: Although I agree that the current overview gets a bit too into describing its offensive power, I feel that the proposed overview handles it rather awkwardly, mentioning two Uber Pokemon and being ironically verbose with its typing weaknesses.

    P.S. 2: What's happening with DarkBlazeR's Scizor? Genesect kind of got banned...
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    Figured I'd get input on Donphan's overview now.

    Original:
    [box]There are many effective bulky Ground-types thriving in OU, such as Gliscor and Hippowdon, which results in Donphan being somewhat overlooked. Don't be fooled by Donphan's former placement in UU, however, as it has quite a few perks to support its team and differentiate itself from the competition. Before you consider Donphan among others, keep in mind that your team will have to play to its main attributes, and be wary of its weaknesses to strong special attacks and several Ghost-type Pokemon (especially Jellicent).

    Donphan's main function is to eliminate entry hazards with Rapid Spin, and thanks to its fantastic physical bulk and Ground typing, it will most likely achieve this goal with little cost. Donphan also sports a base 120 Attack stat, which, paired with STAB Earthquake, makes it a durable, hard-to-ignore offensive tank. As a nice side bonus, its ability, Sturdy, has been improved so it survives attacks at full health, aiding in its survival against powerful OU attackers. Donphan, ideally, should be played with diversity in mind, since it can function well as a utility Pokemon while standing up toe to toe with major threats, unlike its competition. Overall, if you need a defensive buffer not named Skarmory, Ferrothorn, or Forretress, Donphan can be counted on to reliably utilize Rapid Spin and sponge strong physical attacks for its team.[/box]

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    [box]<p>With Hippowdon, Gliscor, Gastrodon, and Landorus-T all roaming OU, Donphan seems a bit outclassed as a defensive Ground-type. Fortunately, Donphan has one major calling card that separates it from the rest: Rapid Spin. This alone makes it an excellent choice in OU. The metagame isn't exactly kind to Donphan, however. The battlefield is often littered with Rain-boosted Water attacks and jacked-up Special attackers, all among the things Donphan hates with a passion. When it isn't raining, it's probably sunny, and the threat of a Chlorophyll sweeper or a powerful Fire Blast lurks around the corner. Despite these shortcomings, Donphan's excellent Attack and Defense allow it to take on the other side of OU. It is one of the best Terrakion checks available, and walls any Tyranitar not packing Ice Beam. It can easily fit onto any team in need of a bulky Rapid Spin user.</p>[/box]
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    I'm locking this (but not moving it) because I intend to revamp this project with a new OP and new protocol later today, and want to make sure it's known.

    Look forward to the grand overhaul of Project: Overviews soon!
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