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Metagame PU Tiering

Discussion in 'PU' started by galbia, Aug 11, 2017.

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  1. galbia

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    tldr: At the beginning of PU, everything that is potentially broken is banned by a council. Then, each banned element is reintroduced to the tier one at a time, and the PU council votes on whether each suspect should be kept in PU or remain BL4.

    The PU Tiering Method
    also known as the kokoloko Method

    Process
    As with every tier, tiering begins with the beta stage. At the very beginning of PU Beta, the most blatantly overpowered elements of PU are quickbanned by the forum moderators.

    At the same time, the PU council will be formed by players who are active in posting as well as in playing. These council members will then take part in a vote along with the moderators where anything seen to be broken or at least quite controversial is nominated by council members and then voted on at the end of the week. Anything that is then voted ban with 60% support or more will be moved into BL4. This process will repeat every week and by the end of Beta we should have a playable metagame with the most glaring centralising forces removed. After some time, the tier leaders will begin to introduce banned Pokemon into the tier one at a time, each receiving its own ladder. All discussion will be open to the public. Once a good amount of time and discussion has passed, a vote will happen with members of the council where the Pokemon can be voted on to be unbanned. A supermajority of 67% or more will once again be used here in order for a Pokemon to be moved from BL4 back down to PU.

    Tiering will take a more traditional approach once this phase is over with open suspect tests and the like.

    The Aim
    We believe this process is the best as it allows the tier to become playable as soon as possible in order to keep the tier competitive, diverse, and fun to play. This process has been used many times before, both in current SM UnderUsed as well as in XY UnderUsed, where it was pioneered by Kokoloko.

    PU Council
    To start with, the council will consist of the three forum moderators + a couple of other users chosen and trusted by the moderators. High levels of activity are required to be on the council so the council can well be considered to be rotating.
    The members will be chosen from people who actively play, post in the metagame thread and discuss topics in the live chats both on PS and Discord. It also helps to be a good and respectable member of the community.
    If you wish to be a part of the rotating council feel free to pm one of the Tier Leaders and ask what needs to be done, how you are progressing towards it.

    also shoutouts to NU for already writing up a large portion of this for me to steal
  2. galbia

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    The first SM PU Council:

    galbia (TL)
    Anty (TL)
    Megazard
    Akir
    2xTheTap
    Teddeh
    HJAD

    We will vote on the first set of quickbans shortly

    If you weren't picked don't give up!
    Just letting you know that a few other users didn't make the cut but easily could by keeping up with the posting in the next few weeks.
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  3. galbia

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    First SM PU Beta Council Vote

    The Council voted on 7 Pokemon. More than 60% was needed to ban each Pokemon and that amounts to 5/7 ban votes.


    Musharna: 4 BL4, 3 PU | PU
    Gallade:
    7 BL4 | BL4
    Vivillon:
    7 BL4 | BL4
    Barbaracle:
    3 BL4, 4 PU | PU
    Klinklang:
    6 BL4, 1 PU | BL4
    Absol:
    2 BL4, 5 PU | PU
    Lilligant:
    1 BL4, 6 PU | PU

    As a result, Gallade, Vivillon and Klinklang are now banned from PU. The Immortal thanks a lot if you could implement it on the server

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    Gallade's reasoning:
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    If you want in-depth reasoning for why something didnt get banned feel free to ask and we will provide a paragraph about it.
    Please remember that stuff will be revisited in the future.

    Voting record:
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    Musharna:
    BL4:
    Akir, Megazard, Anty, HJAD
    PU: galbia, Teddeh, 2xthetap

    Gallade:

    BL4:
    galbia, akir, megazard, anty, teddeh, 2xthetap, hjad
    PU:

    Vivillon:
    BL4:
    galbia, akir, megazard, anty, teddeh, 2xthetap, hjad
    PU:

    Babaracle:
    BL4:
    akir, teddeh, hjad
    PU: galbia, megazard, anty, 2xthetap

    Klinklang:

    BL4:
    galbia, akir, megazard, anty, teddeh, hjad
    PU: 2xthetap

    Absol:

    BL4:
    akir, teddeh
    PU: galbia, megazard, anty, 2xthetap, hjad

    Lilligant:

    BL4:
    hjad
    PU: galbia, akir, megazard, anty, teddeh, 2xthetap
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  4. Anty

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    Second SM PU Beta Council Vote

    The Council voted on 7 Pokemon. More than 60% was needed to ban each Pokemon and that amounts to 5/7 ban votes.

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    As a result, Hariyama, Samurott and Barbaracle are now banned from PU.

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    Hariyama's reasoning:
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    Guts Hariyama has unequivilent wallbreaking power due to its pure strength and potential coverage. Not only can it run moves like Bulk Up or Heavy Slam to break through certain would be checks like Sableye, Palosand, and even Gourgeist-XL with chip, but what separates it from other wallbreakers is that it has less need to predict. Facade on its own is extremely spammable, and paired with a STAB Close Combat makes it extremely difficult to switch into if not running one of three bulky Ghost-types, of which one lacks recovery (Golurk) and another isn't particularly good (Palosand). Hariyama also does not have to rely on a choice item unlike other breakers, and Burn generally cripples less than Life Orb. Lastly a healthy Hariyama is very hard to OHKO due to its good bulk, and having access to priority means it has a fair matchup vs offensive teams.

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    Samurott's reasoning:

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    Both Samurott's main sets are amazing in their own right, and together they make Samurott unpredictable and extremely dangerous. The Swords Dance set is very difficult to check both offensively and defensively, as there aren't many faster Water resists, most of which are fairly frail, and Water and Bug coverage hits everything but Altaria and Poliwrath. Savage Spin Out can help it get past defensive Pokemon like Gastrodon and Ferroseed, whereas Lum Berry can provide set up oppurtunities on Pokemon like (weakened) Weezing. Special wallbreaking work well by 2HKOing pretty much every physical check, aside from Ferroseed, and in general is very hard for bulkier teams to switch into, with common checks like Lanturn and AV Hariyama lacking recovery.

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    Barbaracle's reasoning:

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    Shell Smash Barbaracle is possible the hardest set up sweeper to handle defensively due to the possibility of it running one of three viable Z-moves (Rockium, Fightinium and Grassium) which can break past would be checks like Gourgeist, Ferroseed, and Quagsire. Furthermore its high Speed makes Tauros the only viable faster Choice Scarf users meaning teams mostly have to try to revenge kill it with priority and/or stop it from setting up. However, with good support such as dual Screens, Memento, and Aurora Veil, these potential stopped can be nullified, or require the sacking of multiple Pokemon to take it down.
  5. galbia

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    Third SM PU Beta Council Vote

    Taskr and RawMelon joined the council in voting for this round, thanks a lot guys. 6 Ban votes were needed to ban a Pokemon

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    As a result Tauros and Vanilluxe (which is a Pokemon name Anty can't spell so he will be happy) are now banned! The Immortal thanks a lot if you could implement this on the server

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    Tauros's reasoning:

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    Tauros has the ability to outspeed the vast majority of the tier while having the strength to comfortably KO most offensive Pokemon with very little chip, and deal heavy damage to defensive Pokemon. Its excellent coverage allows it to take out the best normal resists such as Fire Blast to 2HKO Ferroseed and Gourgeist-XL, and Iron Tail 2HKO's Regirock, Golurk, and Cradily, whereas its solid bulk means that it comfortably takes priority and can even take hits from Choice Scarf users while healthy. Ultimately, Tauros lacks good enough offensive and defensive counterplay to be healthy in PU.

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    Vanilluxe's reasoning:

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    Vanniluxe's Blizzard is easily one of the most spammable moves in the tier due to its high Special Attack along with Ice's excellent offensive typing and Blizzards high BP. Furthermore access to Freeze-dry allows Vanniluxe to take out Water-types like Lanturn, which are many teams primary Ice type switch ins. Fire and Steel types (along with some Thick Fat Pokemon) which resist Freeze Dry mostly lack recovery, like AV Magmortar and Probopass, get dented by Flash Cannon or Hidden Power Ground, like Piloswine, or can be severely weakened by Pursuit, like Bronzor. Overall Vanniluxe is a fierce wallbreaker which lacks many reliable switch ins, and doesn't require much skill to use due to STAB 100% accurate Blizzard.

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  6. galbia

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    Medicham has been quickbanned from PU.
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    Despite the presence of a couple of apparently decent counters in the tier, namely Sableye and Musharna, the PU Council still thinks Medicham puts too much pressure on PU teams. Its powerful Pure Power-boosted STAB moves are able to 2HKO pretty much any physical wall that doesn't resist them with little prior damage, especially considering Skuntank can dispose of pretty much any Psychic and Ghost-type with Pursuit.
    The decent speed tier to run Choice Scarf and access to Fake Out + Bullet Punch also makes it useful in matchups against offense, especially with the aforementioned Pursuit support. The incoming start of the PUPL also made the council think this was the best idea for the tier in the short term.

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