ManOfMany
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Nominating Whiscash from C- to C+
No, not in basis of the Dragon Dance set. We all know the dragon-dance set gets walled by grass types (it can easily beat stuff like Sawsbuck and Simisage with life orb bounce) but still, it gets walled by Gourgeist and Tangela, the main grass types in PU. Other than that, the set isn’t bad. A +1 Life Orb Earthquake hits just as hard as a +1 life orb Waterfall from Feraligatr (I’ve done the calcs) while offering better super-effective coverage. And it outspeeds base 110 speed after 1 dance, which is all it really needs. Stone Edge could be used to take down Pelipper and OHKO Regice as well. A Substitute Dragon-Dance set is also usable for its ability to set up on Probopass, defensive Carracosta, defensive Poliwrath, Torkoal, Rapidash, Raichu without grass knot etc. However it is not all that great in the metagame because Gourgeist and Tangela are so common.
However, I want to nominate it as a special attacker. Lately, I've been experimenting with a Whiscash that looks like this:
Whiscash @ Choice Specs
- Hydro Pump
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
And it has actually put in a lot of work. (TRC knows, I took out half his team with this set ^_^ )
Choice Specs Whiscash lures and KOs grass types. Specs Modest Ice Beam has a chance to KO 252 HP Tangela, and does significant damage to Gourgeist and Offensive Roselia, as well as hitting Torterra and Jumpluff switch-ins.
Scald is scald, and hydro pump off a choice specs is always good. Earth power is also really spammable in this metagame. Those moves together offer brilliant super-effective coverage and perfect neutral coverage.
The main attraction to using Whiscash anyway is the typing. It is the best offensive check we have to offer to Rapidash, it walls Raichu without grass knot (a poor choice on raichu anyway), it gets free switches on the ever-common Probopass, and is extremely hard to take out in one move. Neither the dragon-dance set or special attacking set are very good, however, they complement each other well because they take out each others’ checks and counters.
No, not in basis of the Dragon Dance set. We all know the dragon-dance set gets walled by grass types (it can easily beat stuff like Sawsbuck and Simisage with life orb bounce) but still, it gets walled by Gourgeist and Tangela, the main grass types in PU. Other than that, the set isn’t bad. A +1 Life Orb Earthquake hits just as hard as a +1 life orb Waterfall from Feraligatr (I’ve done the calcs) while offering better super-effective coverage. And it outspeeds base 110 speed after 1 dance, which is all it really needs. Stone Edge could be used to take down Pelipper and OHKO Regice as well. A Substitute Dragon-Dance set is also usable for its ability to set up on Probopass, defensive Carracosta, defensive Poliwrath, Torkoal, Rapidash, Raichu without grass knot etc. However it is not all that great in the metagame because Gourgeist and Tangela are so common.
However, I want to nominate it as a special attacker. Lately, I've been experimenting with a Whiscash that looks like this:
Whiscash @ Choice Specs
- Hydro Pump
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
And it has actually put in a lot of work. (TRC knows, I took out half his team with this set ^_^ )
Choice Specs Whiscash lures and KOs grass types. Specs Modest Ice Beam has a chance to KO 252 HP Tangela, and does significant damage to Gourgeist and Offensive Roselia, as well as hitting Torterra and Jumpluff switch-ins.
Scald is scald, and hydro pump off a choice specs is always good. Earth power is also really spammable in this metagame. Those moves together offer brilliant super-effective coverage and perfect neutral coverage.
The main attraction to using Whiscash anyway is the typing. It is the best offensive check we have to offer to Rapidash, it walls Raichu without grass knot (a poor choice on raichu anyway), it gets free switches on the ever-common Probopass, and is extremely hard to take out in one move. Neither the dragon-dance set or special attacking set are very good, however, they complement each other well because they take out each others’ checks and counters.
I would rather use rapid spin than Defog on Delibird.If you want to beat other rocks leads, you already do that by running something faster with taunt. Meanwhile having your only attacking moves be fake out and grass knot (taunt is required) makes monferno fairly worthless, even for a suicide lead. At least Delibird can prevent hazards 100% of the time with Defog and kill most rocks leads with fake out+seed bomb (or aerial ace for monferno).