I feel Hackmons could use it's own introductory thread, even if only so it can have a link from !om someday. So here's an OP shamelessly stolen from based on Verbatim's BH thread. Discuss your wondertombs/balls and killer deoxys's here. What is this tier? Hackmons is a tier where one can use any moves and ability on any pokemon and have 252 EVs in every stat. Another thing to note is that there are no clauses. You can have 6 Dialgas if you want and Spore the entire opposing team if they let you. This metagame can be seen as the Uber to Balanced Hackmons' OU (not a perfect analogy), where the more centralizing abilities and moves have been banned. What can I expect? When building a team, be ready for ridiculous combos like No Guard + OHKO moves, and Wonder Guard pokemon with no weaknesses. These are far from the only new challenges in the tier though, as many other previously mutually exclusive pokemon, moves, and abilities can come together. I have an idea for a set... Great! If you've had success with or encountered an interesting set feel free to post it in this thread. However, please keep discussion to sets you've either seen in battle or tried out yourself. FAQ Starting this off with two questions I've seen a bit. As the thread progresses, more may be added. Can I use CAP Pokemon/Abilities/Moves? Or Magikarp's Revenge? No, only moves, abilities, and pokemon available in the games may be used. Do Forecast/Multitype work on Pokemon other than Castform/Arceus? They will do nothing when not on their signature Pokemon. How do I hurt Wonder Guarders? Attacks made by Pokemon with Mold Breaker/Teravolt/Turboblaze will ignore the ability of the target pokemon. Removing Wonder Guard with an ability-changing move (except for skill swap) will let any attack work as normal. A Mold Breaker's attacks will pop the Air Balloon on electric or poison/dark users, even if they are behind a substitute. Tricking away the balloon before they can use substitute will also work. They will then have a Ground weakness for the rest of the battle. Gravity negates the balloon entirely while in effect. Scrappy or Foresight/Odor Sleuth will allow you to hit Spiritomb and Sableye with Fighting-type moves, which they are weak to without the Ghost-provided immunity. If none of the above is available, indirect damage via entry hazards and status effects still work. Struggle gets a special mention, as it will hit but will only have 1 PP (unless you actually stalled out all your PP to get to it instead of putting it on your moveset). Threat List Herein are the strategies that define the Hackmons metagame. This section is a work in progress so if you notice anything missing, please post! No Guard + Sheer Cold Deoxys-S is the most common user of this strategy due to its unmatched speed. However, other mons can bluff another set to get surprise KOs by running this instead. Wonder Guard On pokemon with few or no weaknesses, this is an essential counter to No Guard, Huge/Pure Power, Contrary, and any other sweeper that isn't using Mold Breaker. Most teams will have at least two users of this ability to thwart sweepers that carry ability nullification like Gastro Acid. Any user generally must have no weakness to Ice, since the most common OHKO move is Ice-type. Most WGers will be defensive, but offensive variants can grab setup opportunities off of common Pure Power/No Guard users and sweep provided that opposing WGers have been removed already. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Spiritomb/Sableye Dark/Ghost typing gives these two no weaknesses, making them 'perfect' wonderguarders. Unfortunately, their stats, most noticeably speed, are low in a meta full of Uber powerhouses. Unlike the next category of WGers though, they can hold any item. Electrode/Jolteon/Raikou/Electivire Electric types only have a weakness to Ground type attacks, which can be negated by holding an Air Ballon. Their high speed makes them a worthwhile consideration over the Ghost/Darks. Which one is used depends on how highly speed is valued vs. an attacking stat. Drapion Like Electric types, Drapion's Dark/Poison typing only has a Ground weakness. However, it is many times seen without an Air Balloon so it can absorb Toxic Spikes from the field. Arceus/Regigigas/Slaking/Chansey/Blissey/(etc.) Normal types are only weak to fighting, and many of them can take some unboosted fighting attacks anyway if necessary, or boost their defenses via Cotton Guard. Genescect/Escavalier These two are only weak to fire, and are immune to Sandstorm damage. They also pair well with a Drizzle user to weaken some non-stab fire attacks against them enough to survive. Swampert Only weak to grass, which is a very uncommon attacking type in hackmons. Like the Bug/Steels, it's right at home in either rain (for a boost to its stab) or sand (where it can stall effectively). Palkia Notable for only having a Dragon weakness. While Dragon is a common attacking type, if Palkia can set up most dragons will be adverse to switching in to deal with it. Perish Trapping By combining Perish Song, the right moveset/typing, and trapping ability (Shadow Tag or Arena Trap) or move (Spider Web or Whirlpool/Clamp/Fire Spin) perish trappers can remove pesky defensive pokemon effortlessly. Shadow Tag will work on Flying types, but Arena Trap can stop opposing Shadow Taggers from escaping (two Shadow Taggers will be able to retreat from each other) in combination with a Shed Shell to allow its own escape. Wonder Guard and a trapping move can be used instead to thwart U-turn. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Gengar/Froslass Being the fastest Ghost types, these two can switch in on common normal/fighting type attacks or setup moves like substitute. Once in, they use Encore. If the opponent is slower, they will be unable to do anything even with Magic Coat in their moveset. Once Perish Song and Encore are up, they will often lay hazards. Gengar has the ability to absorb Toxic Spikes while Froslass can be used on Hail teams. This set is ineffective against Magic Bouncers due to its reliance on encore. Giratina While it can run the encore set above, its lower speed misses out on some key threats (such as mono-priority Slaking/Regigigas). Often it will use a more traditional trapping set utilizing its bulk, recovery, and protect to stall out the Perish Song timer. Giratina can also Curse trap, which allows Giratina to stay in indefinitely. Lugia With great bulk and a Flying typing, Lugia doesn't have to fear counter-trappers that use Arena Trap and can safely run Shadow Tag with an item other than Shed Shell. Mold Breaker/Teravolt/Turboblaze This ability has two primary uses in Hackmons: sweeping through Wonder Guarders and crippling Magic Bouncers. Its presence also discourages the use of Unaware, since there are few setup sweepers lacking Mold Breaker that are walled by Unaware but not Wonder Guard. Anything with high offenses is suited to a Mold Breaker sweeper or wallbreaker set, and a variety of fast (or occasionally bulky) pokemon can use the ability to inflict status and lay hazards against Magic Bouncers. Imposter By copying the stats (except for HP), stat changes, moveset, and ability of the opponent, Imposter has cemented itself as an important part of the metagame that keeps individual sets from becoming too powerful, lest they be sent right back at their user with more 2-3x the bulk. Since HP is the only thing not copied, there are only two viable users of Imposter: Chansey and Blissey. Chansey gets the ability to use Eviolite (which retains its boost even after the transformation), while Blissey gets to use other items with the highest HP stat in the game. Sometimes Chansey will use other items while bluffing Eviolite. Beating an Imposter is easiest by using something it can't effectively copy, such as Facade on a status orb user, Judgment with an appropriate plate, or a Shed Shell on a perish trapper. Weather Inducers Sand Stream is the most common of the 4 weather abilities, providing residual damage and a 1.5 special defense boost to rock types. Teams using this ability are primarily stall, likely using Perish Trapping or Ability nullification to deal with pokemon that can survive the hazard, weather, and status damage (usually Magic Guarders and Poison Healers). Snow Warning plays similarly to Sand Stream, but will be usually a bit more offense-oriented (often a Mold Breaker with STAB Blizzard + other STAB + coverage) to compensate for the lack of a Special Defense boost and walls on par with Shuckle or Rhydon. Drizzle and Drought aren't as common since Wonder Guard makes direct attacking without a boosted Mold Breaker (which rarely would also need weather support) much more difficult. However, they still serve as a good way to cancel opposing weather and trigger some useful niche abilities such as Hydration or Harvest. Their interaction with Fire attacks can also help save or scorch many common Steel types. Prankster Magic Bounce Magic Guard Indirect damage is a huge factor in Hackmons, as sand/hail, entry hazards, and ghost type curse are very common. Magic Guard prevents all of it from affecting the holder, and is a very powerful answer to stall teams. Magic Guarders can even carry a status orb to give themselves immunity to spore. Users of this ability can also use Life Orb and/or recoil attacks without taking damage. Poison Heal Poison Heal works similarly to Magic Guard by providing excellent recovery over time to counter residual damage and effective status immunity. It's less effective at dealing with Curse or using recoil moves, but is great at substalling. Scrappy Often overlooked, this ability allows the user to hit ghost types with normal and fighting type attacks, and isn't announced in the battle log like Mold Breaker. Most Gengar/Froslass sets crumble to STAB Extremespeeds they weren't expecting to hit (even Prankster can't save against +2 priority), and Spiritomb and Sableye are super-effectively hit by Close Combat. Rapid Spin is also a good move for these mons, although they usually can't do much to non-ghost/dark WGers. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Meloetta-P Has high speed and possesses STAB on both types affected by Scrappy. Terrakion If Normal typing isn't desired, Terrakion offers very slightly higher Attack than Meloetta and a Rock STAB to punch through flying types like Lugia. Unfortunately, is also slower than Meloetta but still weak to opposing Fighting attacks. Regigigas/Slaking Commonly seen as Pure/Huge Power, these two can surprise incoming Ghost/Darks with a fighting type move. Although they won't get STAB, Close Combat and Hi Jump Kick are guaranteed 2HKOs (with a good chance at OHKO with a single layer of hazards down). Arceus Similarly to Regi and Slaking, Arceus can bluff another set, although Arceus is even more of a question mark since its balanced stats allow it to run a wide variety of sets. Endeavor/Pain Split The FEAR strategy is used by both Sturdy and low-level Wonder Guarders to significantly weaken opponents regardless of their defenses. In combination with residual damage, such as sand, hail, or toxic spikes, Endeavor is effectively a OHKO against non-Ghosts. On the other hand, priority can also be used for a 2HKO. However, this is a very predictable strategy. Pain Split gives these sets an option against Ghost types but fails against substitutes. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Shedinja With 1 HP and Sturdy, no direct attack can KO the bug. However, it is instantly KO'd by any form of residual damage and so must be played with extensive support. Mold Breaker also cuts through sturdy, and Pursuit from such a mon will always end Shedinja. Shedinja doesn't have to run a FEAR strategy, since it retains its pseudo-invincibility at level 100 and without needing to ever restore HP. Swinub A level 1 swinub with Sturdy, a Shell Bell, and Hail support can Endeavor it's way through many pokemon for a OHKO. Like Shedinja, this requires a lot of support to avoid being crippled by hazards and status. The reason it's ever used over Shedinja is the immunity to both sand and hail. Another weakness of the strategy is the lack of offensive options compared to Shedinja. Spiritomb/Sableye A level 2 dark/ghost with Wonder Guard can fill a similar role to Swinub while being able to hold a different item and use Substitute and Curse. Unlike Sturdymons, the WGers can withstand residual damage (aided by their 15 HP, which causes the residual damage to round down). Can use a Flame Orb to block Spore, but this makes it more easily worn down. Pure/Huge Power This ability provides high immediate physical power, which when combined with priority moves like Extremespeed can be devastating to non-WG pokemon. With Pursuit, it can effectively trap Magic Bouncers such as Giratina. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Slaking/Regigigas Boasting high attack stats with STAB on Extremespeed, these two are the most common pokemon choice for Pure Power. Which the player uses is up to whether they want more Physical or Special bulk. Unaware Less popular now that Mold Breaker properly bypasses Unaware. Given that the majority of Hackmon sweepers already use Mold Breaker to negate Wonder Guard and Pure/Huge power are unaffected, Unaware's niche is very small. Contrary While somewhat popular among newer players to hackmons, without Mold Breaker an attacker will often be completely countered by Wonder Guarders and Unaware users. They can be successful in luring these counters into a devastating status move however, such as Trick or Spore.