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Quagsire (analysis)

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    Quagsire

    [Overview]

    <p>Ever since its introduction in GSC, Quagsire has had to contend with other bulky Water-type Pokemon for the spotlight. Fortunately, RU is the right place for Quagsire to be, since there are very few of its fellow bulky Water-types in the tier. This leaves it with little competition, allowing it to strike fear and terror in the hearts of boosting sweepers with its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also become a sweeper itself by using Curse in conjunction with its fine base 85 Attack stat. However, Quagsire can fall very quickly to both special attacks and Grass-type attacks. Quagsire can also fold under repeated barrages from powerful physical sweepers, since its base 95 HP and base 85 Defense, while good, do not grant Quagsire invulnerability to physical attacks. Thus, it is very important to keep a realistic sense of what Quagsire can and cannot wall. If you do, then Quagsire can easily become an irreplaceable Pokemon on your team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Wall
    move 1: Scald
    move 2: Recover
    move 3: Toxic / Stockpile
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Relaxed
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire functions a bit differently from most other bulky Water-type Pokemon: instead of being a general wall, this set excels at stopping boosting physical sweepers including Entei, Feraligatr, Kabutops, and Scyther due to its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also use Scald's high burn rate to add insult along with injury. Even without burning the opponent, Quagsire can still be tough to take down due to its good bulk and access to Recover. Meanwhile, Quagsire can Toxic the foe as it desperately tries in vain to take down the salamander, or further boost its Defense and Special Defense with Stockpile. The former is recommended, however, because it enables Quagsire to deal with bulky walls such as Uxie, Cofagrigus, and opposing bulky Water-type Pokemon. Earthquake is Quagsire's most reliable method of directly dealing damage, and is useful for dispatching weakened foes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire will cause many boosting sweepers to switch out in fear of Toxic, so you should take advantage of this by laying entry hazards all over your foe's side of the field. Eviolite Ferroseed is born for this job: it has amazing defensive synergy with Quagsire, boasting a 4x resistance to Grass-type attacks while Quagsire resists Fire-type attacks aimed at Ferroseed, and also does a fine job at laying down Spikes and Stealth Rock. However, you should be careful of using other Pokemon who can set up these entry hazards, such as Sandslash, Omastar, and Kabutops, since many of them share a common weakness with Quagsire. Crustle and Qwilfish are exceptions: while these two Pokemon do not have notable defensive synergy with Quagsire, they at least do not share common weaknesses. In addition, Quagsire appreciates having a teammate to sponge special attacks aimed at it. While you do not necessarily need a dedicated special wall on your team, having Pokemon such as Mandibuzz, Uxie, Cofagrigus, or defensive Rotom-C would help a lot.</p>

    <p>Quagsire's greatest enemies are Grass-type Pokemon, primarily Tangrowth, Sceptile, Victreebel, Lilligant, Sawsbuck, Rotom-C, and Ferroseed. With the exception of Ferroseed, these Pokemon either resist or are immune Earthquake and can easily OHKO Quagsire with a Grass-type attack. Ferroseed and Victreebel are especially dangerous since they are immune to Toxic; therefore, it is recommended to have a teammate who can deal with them. Fire-types such as Moltres and Entei have good enough defenses to shrug off most of their attacks and can retaliate with powerful STAB Fire-type attacks. Rotom-C with Hidden Power Fire is also a good teammate.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Curse
    move 1: Curse
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall / Stone Edge
    move 4: Recover
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Careful
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire's low Speed and good Attack and Defense stats makes Curse a great choice for it. Since many players view Quagsire as a primarily defensive Pokemon, this set can easily catch them off guard. In addition, Quagsire's Unaware ability allows it to easily set up on Pokemon that cannot severely damage it. After using Curse a few times, not only will Quagsire be almost invulnerable to physical attacks, it can also dish out severe damage with Earthquake. Pokemon who are immune to or resist Earthquake can be taken care of by either Waterfall or Stone Edge. Waterfall deals more damage than Stone Edge and is much more accurate; however, Stone Edge has better coverage with Earthquake, and Quagsire can usually afford a miss. The last move, Recover, is crucial to keep Quagsire alive as long as possible.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Since Curse boosts Quagsire's Defense stat, its HP and Special Defense stats are maximized. This allows Quagsire to tank both physical and special attacks, although it still is a good idea to knock out any special sweepers on the foe's team before sending Quagsire out. Investing some EVs in Quagsire's Attack stat may seem like a good idea. However, it will need lots of investment to break through walls; besides, Quagsire should only used against offensive Pokemon since defensive Pokemon will likely cripple it with a status move or phaze it out. In order to deal with these walls, hard-hitting sweepers and wallbreakers are recommended as teammates. Choice Specs Moltres is a good pick; it can literally blast its way through the foe's team and has good defensive synergy with Quagsire. Another thing to watch out for is Toxic Spikes, which can really ruin Quagsire's day. One way to remove Toxic Spikes is by using a grounded Poison-type Pokemon such as Qwilfish, which can also set up Spikes to help Quagsire sweep. Rapid Spin support from Claydol, Kabutops, or Hitmonlee is another option. However, bear in mind that most of these Pokemon will also be poisoned by Toxic Spikes. Lastly, Quagsire loathes Grass-type Pokemon. Like the physically defensive set, these menaces can be dealt with by powerful Fire-type Pokemon on your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Quagsire can run an effective specially defensive set to wall special sweepers without a Grass-type attack; such a set should use an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Sassy nature. Do note, though, that Quagsire's pitiful base 65 Special Defense means that it will have more trouble taking on special attacks. Quagsire does not have too many alternate options: it has access to moves such as Surf and Ice Beam, but its poor Special Attack stat makes these options inferior. Encore can be used, but since it got nerfed and now lasts for three turns instead of five, it is usually not worth a moveslot. Quagsire can run Safeguard to shield itselfand its allies from status, but it will have trouble fitting it into its moveslot. In fact, this applies to all other moves not mentioned in the sets. Finally, Quagsire can run the ability Water Absorb to deal with rain teams, but Unaware is its most unique niche.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Quagsire hates Grass-type Pokemon with a capital "H". Not only do these Pokemon resist both of its STAB moves, they can also easily OHKO or 2HKO it with powerful Grass-type STAB attacks, although Sawsbuck, Swords Dance Sceptile, Tangrowth, and other physical Grass-type sweepers will have to be wary of Scald's burn chance. Ferroseed can't do much to Quagsire outside of Leech Seed, but it is immune to Toxic and can easily set up an entry hazard or two on it. Lilligant, Victreebel, and a few other Grass-types can use Sleep Powder on Quagsire (or the switch-in) and proceed to set up. There are also several Pokemon, such as Entei, Manectric, or Moltres, that commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to net an easy OHKO on Quagsire.</p>

    <p>Besides Grass-type Pokemon and attacks, Quagsire fares poorly against walls, which can Taunt or Toxic it before it has a chance to do anything. These defensive Pokemon are especially threatening to the Curse set because they can force out Quagsire easily. Special attackers are also problematic since Quagsire cannot take too many special attacks with its base 65 Special Defense. There are also some physical sweepers that even Quagsire should avoid. Jolly Choice Band Hitmonlee, for example, can deal up to 72% with Hi Jump Kick, netting an easy 2HKO. Even if Quagsire boosts its Defense stat via Stockpile or Curse, it still needs to be careful since many offensive Pokemon can Taunt it, which effectively shuts it down.</p>
  2. col49

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    well first off unaware completely outclasses water absorb 9 times out of ten, so if anything that really only deserves a mention in OO. Also, I would say that a Curse is viable enough to get it's own set. A set of just EQ+Curse+Recover+Stone Edge/Waterfall can be quite a useful tool, and unlike the physically bulky set he retains the capacity to set up on CB Entei's Hp Grass:
    4 SAtk Entei's Hp Grass v. 252 Hp/4 SDef Relaxed Quagsire=59.9-71.1%
    4 SAtk Entei's Hp Grass v. 252 Hp/252 SDef Careful Quagsire=39.6-47.7%

    This really isn't a very good example to use. First of all, Braviary is a somewhat uncommon threat, so maybe Honchkrow would prove to be a better example. Secondly, it's very rarely a good idea to come in on an unresisted hit solely based on defensive merit, switching in something like Aggron or Rotom would be a much safer bet overall. So I don't really know about that statement, maybe you could reword it a bit to just reflect that, sort of like Munchlax, he can't simply be used a your solve-all wall, he must be used with some tact.
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    Good point. I guess what I was trying to say was that, despite having Unaware and 95 HP / 85 Def, Quagsire is no Cresselia, and there are physical sweepers/revenge killers that it should avoid. Is my new example with CB Hitmonlee good enough?

    A Curse set seems okay. I'll get back to it a bit later.
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    Yeah I definitely want to see a Curse set.

    name: Curse
    move 1: Curse
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall / Stone Edge
    move 4: Recover
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Careful
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    I'd also write up a special defense spread in AC.
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    Added a Curse set. Is there anything else I'm missing/forgetting?
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    deslash Yawn on the first set, I really just don't like move and can't think of a situation where I wouldn't rather just spread Toxic on the whole team. Keep it in AC though.

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    I actually feel the same way about Stockpile, dunno how useful it actually is. But I don't have a problem about keeping it there, so w/e.

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    This analysis has been written and is ready for grammar checks!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Ever since its introduction in the second generation GSC, Quagsire has been battling perhaps "has had to contend" with other bulky Water-type Pokemon for the spotlight. Luckily, though, RU is the right place for Quagsire to be, since there are very few competing bulky Water-type Pokemon of its fellow bulky Water-types in the tier. This leaves it with little competition, allowing it to strike fear and terror in the hearts of boosting sweepers with its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also become a sweeper itself by using Curse in conjunction with its fine base 85 Attack stat. However, Quagsire can fall very quickly to both special attacks and Grass-type Pokemon, and it isn't unheard of to see Pokemon carry Hidden Power Grass to deal with it kinda clunky imo though there's nothing -wrong- per se with it. maybe try "and some Pokemon even carry Hidden Power Grass to deal with it. Quagsire can also fold under repeated barrages from powerful physical sweepers, since its base 95 HP and base 85 Defense, while being good, do not grant Quagsire invulnerability to physical attacks. Thus, it is very important to keep a realistic sense of what Quagsire can and cannot wall. If you do, then Quagsire can easily becomes an irreplaceable Pokemon on your team.</p>
    <one para space>
    [SET]
    name: Physical Wall
    move 1: Scald
    move 2: Recover
    move 3: Toxic / Stockpile
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Relaxed
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [Set Comments SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire functions a bit differently from most other bulky Water-type Pokemon: [replace hyphen with colon] instead of being a general wall, this set excels at stopping boosting physical sweepers, such as or "including", if you really want to keep the meaning of "and more" Entei, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Scyther, and more, due to its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also use Scald's high burn rate to add insult to into injury. Even without a burn, Quagsire can still be tough to take down due to its stellar base 95 HP, base 85 Defense or "good bulk", since you've previously quoted its stats, and access to Recover. Meanwhile, Quagsire can use Toxic on the foe as it desperately keeping it is fine too, your preference - personally i think "in vain" gets the meaning across tries in vain to take down the mudfish, or further boost its Defense and Special Defense stat with Stockpile. Toxic is recommended over Stockpile The former is recommended, however, because it enables Quagsire to deal with bulky walls, such as Uxie, Cofagrigus, or and opposing bulky Water-type Pokemon. Earthquake is Quagsire's most reliable direct damage move way / method of directly dealing damage, and is useful for dispatching weakened foes. what's wrong with scald! maybe more like secondary STAB?</p>

    [Additional Comments ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire will cause many boosting sweepers to switch out in fear of Toxic, so you should take advantage of this by scattering "laying" is the more accepted / appropriate word imo entry hazards all over your foe's side of the field. Eviolite Ferroseed is born for this job: not only does it have has amazing defensive synergy with Quagsire, boasting a 4x resistance to Grass-type attacks and while Quagsire resisting resists its Fire-type weakness, it and also does a fine job at laying down Spikes and Stealth Rock. However, you should be wary of using other Pokemon who can set up these moves, such as Sandslash, Omastar, and Kabutops, since many of them share a common weakness with Quagsire. Crustle and Qwilfish are an exceptions: while these two Pokemon do not have any notable defensive synergy with Quagsire, they at least do not have any share common weaknesses. In addition, Quagsire appreciates having a teammate to take on special attacks aimed on at it. While you do not necessarily need a dedicated special wall on your team, having Pokemon such as Mandibuzz, Uxie, Cofagrigus, or defensive Rotom-C helps a lot.</p>

    <p>One of Quagsire's greatest enemies are Grass-type Pokemon, primarily Ferroseed, Tangrowth, Sceptile, Victreebel, Rotom-C, Lilligant, and Sawsbuck. These Pokemon resist both of Quagsire's STAB moves wellll technically ferroseed and victreebel (and rotom) don't resist EQ. how about "take little damage from"? and can easily OHKO Quagsire with a Grass-type attack. Ferroseed and Victreebel are especially dangerous since they are immune to Toxic; therefore, it is recommended to have a teammate who can deal with them. Fire-types such as Moltres or and Entei have good enough defenses to shrug off most of their attacks and can retaliate with powerful STAB Fire-type attacks. Any Rotom-C that carries with Hidden Power Fire is also a good teammate.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Curse
    move 1: Curse
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall / Stone Edge
    move 4: Recover
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Careful
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [Set Comments SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire's low Speed and good Attack and Defense stats makes it a great Pokemon to use Curse Curse a great choice for it. Since many players view Quagsire as a primarily defensive Pokemon, this set can easily catch them off guard. In addition, Quagsire's Unaware ability allows it to easily set up on Pokemon that cannot severely damage it. After using Curse a few times, not only will Quagsire be almost invulnerable to physical attacks, it can also dish out severe damage with Earthquake. Pokemon who are immune to, or resist, Earthquake can be taken care of by either Waterfall or Stone Edge. Waterfall deals more damage than Stone Edge and is much more accurate; however, Stone Edge has excellent better? coverage with Earthquake, and Quagsire can usually afford a miss. The last move, Recover, Finally, Recover is a fantastic move and is crucial in order to keep Quagsire alive as long as possible.

    [Additional Comments ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Since Curse boosts Quagsire's Defense stat, its HP and Special Defense stats are maxed out instead. This allows Quagsire to tank both physical and special attacks, although it still is a good idea to knock out any special sweepers on the foe's team before sending Quagsire out. Investing some EVs in Quagsire's Attack stat seems may seem like a good idea. However, it will need a heavy invest in its Attack stat lots of investment to break through walls; and besides, Quagsire should only used against offensive Pokemon since many defensive Pokemon will likely try to cripple it with a status move or phaze it out. In order to deal with these walls, it is recommended to have powerful, hard-hitting redundant, pick one sweepers and wallbreakers on your team are recommended. One good teammate to use is Choice Specs Moltres or "Choice Specs Moltres is a good pick"; who it can literally burn blast its way through the foe's team and has good defensive synergy with Quagsire. Another thing to watch out for is Toxic Spikes, which can really ruin Quagsire's day. One way to remove Toxic Spikes is by using a grounded Poison-type Pokemon, such as Qwilfish, who can also set up Spikes to help Quagsire sweep. Using Rapid Spinners support such as from Claydol, Kabutops, and or Hitmonlee is another option. However, most of these Pokemon will also come into contact with Toxic Spikes, so keep this in mind. Besides Toxic Spikes and walls Finally / Lastly, Quagsire also hates Grass-type Pokemon. Like the Physically Defensive set, these menaces can be dealt with by having powerful Fire-type Pokemon on your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Quagsire can run an effective Specially Defensive set to wall many special sweepers without a Grass-type move; The such a set should use an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Sassy nature. Do note, though, that Quagsire's pitiful base 65 Special Defense means that it will have some more trouble taking on special attacks. Quagsire does not have too many alternate options: it has access to moves such as Surf and Ice Beam, but its poor Special Attack stat makes those moves useless these inferior options. Encore used to be a good move to run, but it got nerfed[comma] and now only lasts for three turns instead of five. Quagsire can run Safeguard to shield itself from status effects, but it will have trouble finding a free moveslot. All other moves not listed on the sets follow suit ??? what does this mean. Finally, Quagsire can run the ability Water Absorb over Unaware to deal with rain teams, but that means that it will lose to other sweepers instead Unaware is its most unique niche.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Quagsire hates Grass-type Pokemon with a capital "H" . Not only do those these Pokemon resist both of its STAB moves, they can also easily OHKO or 2HKO it with a powerful Grass-type STAB attacks, although Sawsbuck, Swords Dance Sceptile, Tangrowth, and other physical Grass-type sweepers will have to be wary of Scald's burn chance. Ferroseed can't do much to Quagsire outside of Leech Seed, but it is immune to Toxic and can easily set up an entry hazard or two on it. Lilligant, Victreebel, and a few other Grass-types can use Sleep Powder on Quagsire (or the switch-in) and proceed to set up. There are also several Pokemon, such as Entei, Manectric, or Moltres, that commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to surprise Quagsire and net an easy OHKO on Quagsire.</p>

    <p>Besides Grass-type Pokemon and attacks, Quagsire generally does not fare well perhaps "fares poorly" against many walls, who often Taunt Quagsire can Taunt or inflict Toxic on it before it has a chance to do anything. These defensive Pokemon are especially dangerous for the Curse set because they can phaze Quagsire out easily. Special attackers are another pain for it to handle also problematic, since it Quagsire cannot take on too many special attacks with its base 65 Special Defense. There are also some physical sweepers that even Quagsire should avoid. Jolly Choice Band Hitmonlee with a Jolly nature, for example, can deal anywhere from 61% -<space>72% or "up to 72%" with Hi Jump Kick, an easy 2HKO. Even if Quagsire boosts its Defense stat via Stockpile or Curse, it still needs to be careful since many offensive Pokemon can Taunt it, which effectively shuts it down Quagsire.</p>
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    Yeesh, I really need to start proofreading what I write >_>

    Any, check implemented. Thank you both!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Ever since its introduction in GSC, Quagsire has had to contend with other bulky Water-type Pokemon for the spotlight. Luckily, though, Fortunately, RU is the right place for Quagsire to be, since there are very few of its fellow bulky Water-types in the tier. This leaves it with little competition, allowing it to strike fear and terror in the hearts of boosting sweepers with its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also become a sweeper itself by using Curse in conjunction with its fine base 85 Attack stat. However, Quagsire can fall very quickly to both special attacks and Grass-type attacks. Pokemon, and some Pokemon even carry Hidden Power Grass to deal with it. Quagsire can also fold under repeated barrages from powerful physical sweepers, since its base 95 HP and base 85 Defense, while good, do not grant Quagsire invulnerability to physical attacks. Thus, it is very important to keep a realistic sense of what Quagsire can and cannot wall. If you do, then Quagsire can easily become an irreplaceable Pokemon on your team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Wall
    move 1: Scald
    move 2: Recover
    move 3: Toxic / Stockpile
    move 4: Earthquake
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Relaxed
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire functions a bit differently from most other bulky Water-type Pokemon: instead of being a general wall, this set excels at stopping boosting physical sweepers including Entei, Feraligatr, Kabutops, and Scyther due to its Unaware ability. Quagsire can also use Scald's high burn rate to add insult to into along with injury. Even without a burning the opponent, Quagsire can still be tough to take down due to its good bulk and access to Recover. Meanwhile, Quagsire can Toxic the foe as it desperately tries in vain to take down the mudfish salamander its the mudkip evo line thats the mudfish... bulbapedia says its a salamander, or further boost its Defense and Special Defense stat with Stockpile. The former is recommended, however, because it enables Quagsire to deal with bulky walls such as Uxie, Cofagrigus, and opposing bulky Water-type Pokemon. Earthquake is Quagsire's most reliable method of directly dealing damage, and is useful for dispatching weakened foes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire will cause many boosting sweepers to switch out in fear of Toxic, so you should take advantage of this by laying entry hazards all over your foe's side of the field. Eviolite Ferroseed is born for this job: it has amazing defensive synergy with Quagsire, boasting a 4x resistance to Grass-type attacks while Quagsire resists its Fire-type weakness attacks aimed at Ferroseed i don't think you can resist a weakness..., and also does a fine job at laying down Spikes and Stealth Rock. However, you should be wary of should be careful of/should not consider using other Pokemon who can set up these moves entry hazards, such as Sandslash, Omastar, and Kabutops, since many of them share a common weakness with Quagsire. Crustle and Qwilfish are exceptions: while these two Pokemon do not have notable defensive synergy with Quagsire, they at least do not share common weaknesses. In addition, Quagsire appreciates having a teammate to take sponge optional special attacks aimed at it. While you do not necessarily need a dedicated special wall on your team, having Pokemon such as Mandibuzz, Uxie, Cofagrigus, or defensive Rotom-C would help a lot.</p>

    <p>Quagsire's greatest enemies are Grass-type Pokemon, primarily Tangrowth, Sceptile, Victreebel, Lilligant, Sawsbuck, Rotom-C, and Ferroseed. With the exception of Ferroseed, these Pokemon either resist or are immune Earthquake and can easily OHKO Quagsire with a Grass-type attack. Ferroseed and Victreebel are especially dangerous since they are immune to Toxic; therefore, it is recommended to have a teammate who can deal with them. Fire-types such as Moltres and Entei have good enough defenses to shrug off most of their attacks and can retaliate with powerful STAB Fire-type attacks. Rotom-C with Hidden Power Fire is also a good teammate.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Curse
    move 1: Curse
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall / Stone Edge
    move 4: Recover
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Careful
    ability: Unaware
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Quagsire's low Speed and good Attack and Defense stats makes Curse a great choice for it. Since many players view Quagsire as a primarily defensive Pokemon, this set can easily catch them off guard. In addition, Quagsire's Unaware ability allows it to easily set up on Pokemon that cannot severely damage it. After using Curse a few times, not only will Quagsire be almost invulnerable to physical attacks, it can also dish out severe damage with Earthquake. Pokemon who are immune to or resist Earthquake can be taken care of by either Waterfall or Stone Edge. Waterfall deals more damage than Stone Edge and is much more accurate; however, Stone Edge has better coverage with Earthquake, and Quagsire can usually afford a miss. The last move, Recover, is crucial to keep Quagsire alive as long as possible.</p>TAGGY!!

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Since Curse boosts Quagsire's Defense stat, its HP and Special Defense stats are maxed out or 'maximized' instead. This allows Quagsire to tank both physical and special attacks, although it still is a good idea to knock out any special sweepers on the foe's team before sending Quagsire out. Investing some EVs in Quagsire's Attack stat may seem like a good idea. However, it will need lots of investment to break through walls; besides, Quagsire should only used against offensive Pokemon since defensive Pokemon will likely cripple it with a status move or phaze it out. In order to deal with these walls, hard-hitting sweepers and wallbreakers are recommended as teammates optional. Choice Specs Moltres is a good pick; it can literally blast its way through the foe's team and has good defensive synergy with Quagsire. Another thing to watch out for is Toxic Spikes, which can really ruin Quagsire's day. One way to remove Toxic Spikes is by using a grounded Poison-type Pokemon such as Qwilfish, who which can also set up Spikes to help Quagsire sweep or 'to make sweeping easier for Quagsire'. Rapid Spin support from Claydol, Kabutops, or Hitmonlee is another option. However, bear in mind that most of these Pokemon will also come into contact with be poisoned by grounded steel-type spinners such as forretress still come into contact with it :) Toxic Spikes, so keep this in mind. Lastly, Quagsire hates or 'loathes'? Grass-type Pokemon. Like the physically defensive set, these menaces can be dealt with by powerful Fire-type Pokemon on your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Quagsire can run an effective specially defensive set to wall special sweepers without a Grass-type move or 'attack'? stun spore is grass-type but doesn't prevent quagsire from walling it, just a suggestion :); such a set should use an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD with a Sassy nature. Do note, though, that Quagsire's pitiful base 65 Special Defense means that it will have more trouble taking on special attacks. Quagsire does not have too many alternate options: it has access to moves such as Surf and Ice Beam, but its poor Special Attack stat makes these inferior options inferior (to Earthquake and Scald) those in brackets are optional. Encore used to be a good move, but it got nerfed, and now only lasts for three turns instead of five. Encore can be used, but since it got nerfed and now lasts for three turns instead of five, Encore is usually not worth a moveslot. Quagsire can run Safeguard to shield itself and its allies from status effects, but it will have trouble finding a free fitting it into its moveslot. In fact, this can applies to all other moves not mentioned in the sets. Finally, Quagsire can run the ability Water Absorb to deal with rain teams, but Unaware is its most unique niche.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Quagsire hates Grass-type Pokemon with a capital <non-curly>"H". Not only do these Pokemon resist both of its STAB moves, they can also easily OHKO or 2HKO it with powerful Grass-type STAB attacks, although Sawsbuck, Swords Dance Sceptile, Tangrowth, and other physical Grass-type sweepers will have to be wary of Scald's burn chance. Ferroseed can't do much to Quagsire outside of Leech Seed, but it is immune to Toxic and can easily set up an entry hazard or two on it. Lilligant, Victreebel, and a few other Grass-types can use Sleep Powder on Quagsire (or the switch-in) and proceed to set up. There are also several Pokemon, such as Entei, Manectric, or Moltres, that commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to net an easy OHKO on Quagsire.</p>

    <p>Besides Grass-type Pokemon and attacks, Quagsire fares poorly against walls, who which can Taunt or Toxic it before it has a chance to do anything. These defensive Pokemon are especially dangerous or 'threatening to' for the Curse set because they can phaze force out no mentions of phazing moves here... Quagsire out easily. Special attackers are also problematic since Quagsire cannot take too many special attacks with its base 65 Special Defense. There are also some physical sweepers that even Quagsire should avoid. Jolly Choice Band Hitmonlee, for example, can deal up to 72% with Hi Jump Kick, an easy 2HKO or 'netting an easy 2HKO'. Even if Quagsire boosts its Defense stat via Stockpile or Curse, it still needs to be careful since many offensive Pokemon can Taunt it, which effectively shuts it down.</p>


    Does it need a Dream World section since Quagsire receives Unaware through Dream World?
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    Wow. Nice catch! Thanks for clarifying too! :) added the non-curly to the amateur check! :)
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