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Raichu (QC 2/3)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by SteelEdges, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. SteelEdges

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    [Overview]

    Raichu will never achieve superstardom in NU, but it is still a decent special sweeper with an intriguing niche. In addition, it sits at a great speed tier . Encore combined with Nasty Plot means it can force switches, disrupt the opposition, and sweep. However, keep in mind that it will always be walled depending on its moves and that it's easily revenge killed.

    [SET]
    name: Encore + Nasty Plot
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Nasty Plot
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Grass Knot / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Lightningrod
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    What separates this from other Nasty Plot users such as Jynx, Shiftry, or Simipour is Raichu's Encore. If used on a non-damaging move, Encore gives the opponent a choice: stay in and be forced to repeat the same move, or switch, and in either situation, Raichu is able to set up a Nasty Plot. At +2 and with STAB, Thunderbolt will severely maim anything except resisting Pokemon or those with absurdly high Special Defense. The secondary move is for extra coverage: Grass Knot, the preferred option, is used to hurt NU's many Thunderbolt-immune Ground-types such as Golurk and Piloswine, while Focus Blast hits super-effectively on many of NU's special walls, such as Munchlax, Probopass, and Regice. Keep in mind: you are walled by specially bulky Grass-types if you elect to use Grass Knot, while Golurk is immune to both Thunderbolt and Focus Blast. Choose wisely.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    In the fourth slot, Hidden Power Ice is a lesser option to super-effectively hit Grass- and Dragon-types, but it's awfully weak even after a Nasty Plot boost and provides little additional coverage. In addition many of NU's Ground-types, such as Seismitoad and Piloswine, do not take super-effective damage from Hidden Power Ice. If you opt for Grass Knot, a physically offensive Fighting-type such as Choice Band Sawk is a decent partner, as its STAB Close Combat can eliminate the special walls of NU (most are weak to Fighting-type moves). Another good partner for Raichu is Charizard: it easily handles the Grass-types that wall Raichu with its STABs, as well as being immune to Ground-type moves, while Raichu an gain a Lightningrod boost from Electric-type attacks shot at Charizard.

    [Other Options]

    Choice Specs and Choice Scarf seem good thanks to Raichu's decent Special Attack and great Speed. However, Choice Scarf needs to run Timid and thus misses a great deal of power, while Choice Specs is largely outclassed by the Encore + Nasty Plot combination. Raichu has an interesting supportive movepool, but due to its frailty, it cannot afford to run Knock Off, Toxic, or Thunder Wave. Hidden Power Grass can hit lighter threats for more damage than Grass Knot, but it's generally not worth the loss of power. Lastly, as tempting as Surf may seem, it is illegal in BW2.

    [Checks and Counters]

    As mentioned before, specially defensive Grass-types, such as Vileplume, Exeggutor, and Roselia, can switch in and either attack or set up hazards. Special walls such as Bastiodon, Audino, Munchlax, Regice, Lickilicky, and Probopass all take super-effective damage from Focus Blast but can wall Raichu otherwise. Ground-types are generally a safe bet in taking down Raichu, but they must beware of Grass Knot. Interestingly, Gardevoir can Trace Raichu's Lightningrod ability and gain an Electric immunity, making it a solid check. Finally, physical Choice Scarf users or Pokemon with physical priority, such as Primeape, are able to outspeed Raichu and promptly take it down.

    [Overview (open)

    • It's not the number one special sweeper, and it's not the most powerful, but it can get work done with Encore and Nasty Plot-boosted attacks
    • Lightningrod provides an extremely handy immunity and SpA boost
    • Great speed for the tier at base 100, average SpA, but awful bulk
    • Has a great speed tier for the tier, tying with Charizard and outspeeding non-Scarfed Jynx, Haunter, and Primeape
    [SET]
    name: Encore + Nasty Plot
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Nasty Plot
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Grass Knot / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Lightningrod
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Encore separates this set from other Nasty Plot users. By using Encore on a non-damaging or Electric-type move, Raichu is able to both disrupt the opponent's momentum and set up a Nasty Plot
    • Grass Knot is used for coverage against the tier's many Ground-types that are immune to Thunderbolt, as well as providing generally decent coverage, while Focus Blast nails the many special walls of the tier, such as Munchlax and Regice; that said, Golurk will wall you if you go with Focus Blast
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • If you're not using Focus Blast, a strong wallbreaker such as Choice Band Sawk can be helpful in removing specially bulky Pokemon.
    • This set is walled by specially bulky Grass-types. Charizard can roast them with its Fire- and Flying-type attacks, as well as handling Ground-type attacks shot at Raichu. In addition, Raichu can switch into Electric-type attacks aimed at Charizard and gain a Lightningrod boost.
    • Hidden Power Ice is an option to handle Grass- and Dragon-types, but it's awfully weak
    [Other Options]
    • Scarf and Specs seem good on paper, but Scarf has to run Timid to outspeed anything relevant and is thus weak, and there's little reason to use Specs when you have Encore and Nasty Plot
    • Its supportive movepool is intriguing, but Raichu rarely has room to run Knock Off, Tickle, Thunder Wave, or Toxic due to its frailty
    • Hidden Power Grass can handle threats that Grass Knot is weaker against, but it's generally not worth it
    • Surf is tempting, but illegal in BW
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Bulky Grass-types such as Vileplume, Exeggutor, and Roselia resist anything Raichu throws at them and can either attack or set up hazards, in Roselia's case
    • Munchlax, Lickilicky, Audino, Bastiodon, Probopass, and Regice can switch in and wall any Raichu not carrying Focus Blast
    • Most Ground-types need to be aware of Grass Knot; switching in can be treacherous, especially as they will usually be slower than Raichu
    • Gardevoir can switch in on an Electric-type attack and Trace Lightningrod for an SpA boost
    • Physical Scarfers or Pokemon with priority will be able to dispatch Raichu easily due to its poor physical defense and HP
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2013
  2. tennisace

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    Set looks fine imo.

    set comments
    -mention how it has a great speed tier for NU by outright outspeeding non-scarf Jynx, Haunter, and Primeape, while tying at worst with Charizard

    ac
    -don't mention spikes / sr unless there are specific kos/2hkos it allows you to get
    -mention specific pokemon that raichu has trouble with: regice, lickilicky, audino, roselia, exeggutor, bastiodon, probopass. some of these get hit super effective by Focus Blast, but mention when running grass knot they're hard to get past.

    oo
    -mention surf but it's illegal with lightningrod and probably a whole buttload of other stuffits actually illegal
    -mention that other support moves are mediocre because it's frail

    i might look it over again and add more, but this is a good start (and raichu sorely needed the update)
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2013
  3. Dat Blast

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    Personally, I think HP Ice should be a main slash in the fourth slot with Focus Blast in AC. Main reason is T-bolt + Focus Blast leaves you completely walled by Golurk who's the most common mon in the meta.

    Also add in OO that it has some cool physical options like Volt Tackle and Espeed. Mention it can't boost his physical Attack so NP is better, and you don't want to split offenses.
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    252 SpA Life Orb Raichu Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Golurk: 320-377 (94.39 - 111.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
    HP Ice hits Grass-types I guess but it's still pretty damn weak.

    Though I do agree you should mention you're walled by Golurk if you use Focus Blast.
  5. SteelEdges

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    I think this is ready for QC checks.
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    I'm not QC, but here's my 2 cents.

    I would remove this since we will see its stats just over it anyway, and you mention its speed the point after.

    Also mention in C&C that pretty much any Choice Scarf user can revenge kill it as it is so frail.

    EDIT: I would mention Camerupt in C&C too.
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2013
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    Surf is a Gen 4 HM Move obtained from an event which was never released in gen 5 - It isn't legal with anything on Raichu Gen 5
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    2/3 Raichu is fairy simple, decent electric-type that just doesn't have enough to jsutify usage on most teams :(

    Make sure you don't oversell it!
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    Written up.
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    [Overview]
    • When you say Raichu hits a great Speed tier, mention specifically what it lets it do: i.e. outspeeds non-Scarf Haunter, Jynx, etc. and ties with Zard.
    • Mention Lightningrod, and how Raichu can use that w/ Encore to force switches and nab boosts. It also allows it to find switch-in opportunities despite its frailty.
    [SET]
    • Imo Focus Blast should still be AC. I really just don't like getting completely cockblocked by Golurk, and a +2 T-bolt 2HKOes most special walls after SR iirc. Idk though, I'd rather get other QC member's opinions first, and if they think it should stay then I'm cool with it.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Add more partners. Samurott would be a good example, since it lures Electric moves and also deals with Ground-types pretty easily. Also Seismitoad kills Grounds and sets up SR.
    [Other Options]
    • Add Espeed and Volt Tackle here. Mention how special Raichu is better b/c of Nasty Plot, and how the two are illegal with each other.
    • Add Volt Switch. It's generally a good move on most Pok√©mon, and forms a super cool combo with Encore (see Pivot Liepard for further explanation). But mention how Raichu would rather boost its own stats then gain momentum.
    Implement this SteelEdges , and I'll check back later.

    EDIT: Don't forget the <p> </p> tags at the start and end of your paragraphs.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2013
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    SteelEdges are you still working on this? You still need to implement Dat Blast's changes and add the <p></p> tags
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    I can do this in the event that steeledges doesn't, js.
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    Kingler12345 if you want to finish this up, make a new thread and go for it.
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    k, but i might need some time.

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