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Gen 3 Random Battle (LIVE!)

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by HoeenHero, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. Typhlito

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    Got a list of move changes for you

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    Venusaur
    + Giga Drain/Razor Leaf(stab move), Earthquake(fine in curse/SD set)

    Charizard
    + Double edge, brick break, Rock slide, aerial ace
    - iron tail (decently strong but its other moves are more useful)

    Blastoise
    + Haze, Yawn (utility), hydro pump (alt stab)

    Butterfree
    + Toxic

    Beedrill
    + Endeavor, Endure, twin needle

    Pidgeot
    + Aerial ace/Air cutter (frees up hidden power), HP ground, Double edge, Quick attack, Steel wing
    - Pursuit (has an ok sp atk but eh...)

    Raticate
    + Endeavor, Endure, Reversal

    Fearow
    + Endure, Flail, Double edge

    Arbok
    + Glare

    Pikachu (light ball)
    + Hidden Power Ice, Hidden Power Grass, Thunderbolt/Volt Tackle, Encore, Substitute, Surf, Agility

    Raichu
    + Encore, Hidden Power Grass, Wish, Reversal/Focus Punch/Brick Break, Rain Dance, Thunder
    - Body Slam (better off attacking or using status moves)

    Nidoqueen
    + Roar, Rest, Sleep Talk, Toxic, Substitute, Counter (She is fat. These take advantage of that)
    - Superpower (not the best on queen when eq does just as well)

    Nidoking
    +Thunder (alt for tbolt)

    Clefable
    +Thunder Wave, Toxic, Seismic Toss, Reflect, Light Screen (more great moves for her huge list)

    Ninetales
    +Grudge(great suicide move), Hidden Power Grass

    Wigglytuff
    + Reflect, Light Screen, Sing, Charm, Return, Thunder Bolt, Ice Beam, Fire Blast (usable sp atk)
    - Facade (Return is generally better),

    Vileplume
    +Swords Dance, Moonlight, Sleep Powder, Aromatherapy

    Parasect
    + Hidden Power Bug/Rock/Fire, Growth

    Venomoth
    + Silver Wind, Stun Spore, Toxic, Hidden Power Rock

    Dugtrio
    +Sludge Bomb

    Persian
    + Double Edge

    Golduck
    + Cross Chop, Hidden Power Electric, Psychic

    Primape
    + Substitute, Focus Punch, Hidden Power Flying, Hidden Power Ghost, Bulk Up, Endure, Reversal
    - Toxic (Would rather attack)

    Arcanine
    + Hidden Power Fighting, Howl, Double Edge, Iron Tail, Crunch, Body Slam/Return (Makes use of great atk stat)

    Poliwrath
    + Belly Drum, Substitute, Hypnosis, Rock Tomb, Focus Punch, Rest, Sleep Talk

    Alakazam
    + Trick, Focus Punch/Brick Break, Reflect, Light Screen

    Machamp
    + Facade, Encore

    Victreebel
    + Hidden Power Fire, Hidden Power Ice, Encore, Growth, Solar Beam, Giga Drain

    Tentacruel
    + Substitute, Swords Dance, Mirror Coat, Barrier, Hidden Power Ground

    Golem
    +Toxic, Rest, Sleep Talk, Rock Blast, Body Slam, Brick Break/Focus Punch

    Rapidash
    + Hidden Power Ice, Hidden Power Rock, Hidden Power Fighting, Quick Attack, Hypnosis, Flamethrower, Overheat, Iron Tail, Sunny Day, Solar Beam

    Slowbro
    + Thunder Wave, Substitute, Focus Punch, Curse, Earthquake, Counter, Yawn

    Magneton
    +Hidden Power Fire, Metal Sound, Screech, Endure, Substitute

    Farfetch'd
    + Knock Off, Baton Pass, Hidden Power Ghost, Aerial Ace, Wish, Yawn
    - Shadow Ball (Doesn't get it)

    Dewgong
    + Encore, Body Slam, Hidden Power Electric

    Muk
    + Explosion, Substitute, Focus Punch, Hidden Power Ghost, Hidden Power Grass, Body Slam, Mean Look

    Cloyster
    + Icy Wind, Hidden Power Electric, Rest

    Gengar
    + Substitute, Focus Punch, Giga Drain, Grudge

    Hypo
    + Wish, Thunder Wave, Seismic Toss, Reflect, Protect, Counter, Light Screen, Substitute, Baton Pass

    Hitmonlee
    + Rapid Spin

    Hitmonchan
    + Sky Uppercut
    - Hi Jump Kick (riskier than sky uppercut)

    Lickitung
    + Toxic, Body Slam, Return, Curse, Brick Break, Protect

    Rhydon
    + Rock Blast, Hidden Power Bug, Swords Dance

    Kangaskan
    + Counter, Substitute, Focus Punch, Protect, Toxic, Roar

    Seaking
    + Hidden Power Electric, Hidden Power Ground, Double Edge, Agility

    Starmie
    + Hydro Pump, Hidden Power Grass, Light Screen, Reflect

    Electabuzz
    + Psychic

    Magmar
    + Hidden Power Grass

    Pinsir
    + Hidden Power Bug, Bulk Up, Substitute, Endure, Flail

    Tauros
    + Iron Tail

    Gyrados
    + Thunder, Fire Blast (completes special gyra)

    Lapras
    + Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar, Hidden Power Ground, Toxic

    Vaporeon
    + Hidden Power Electric, Substitute, Baton Pass, Haze, Acid Armor

    Flareon
    + Hidden Power Fighting, Curse, Wish, Baton Pass, Substitute

    Kabutops
    + Knock Off, Rain Dance, Surf, Hidden Power Ground

    Snorlax
    + Curse, Body Slam

    Zapdos
    + Hidden Power Grass, Rest, Sleep Talk, Thunder, Drill Peck, Light Screen, Metal Sound

    Dragonite
    + Double Edge, Rest, Sleep Talk, Toxic, Dragon Claw

    Mew
    + Hidden Power Dark, Bulk Up, Light Screen, Reflect, Taunt

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  2. chico03

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    Any expectations of when it's coming up?
  3. HoeenHero

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    Hard to say, i've been a pretty busy and haven't actually gotten a chance to start the code yet, though its a high priority.
  4. vaporterra

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    Here's some ideas for a few more obscure Pokemon from Gen 3

    Dewgong: Rest, Sleep Talk, Surf, Ice Beam, Hail, Rain Dance, Hidden Power Ground, Toxic

    Seaking: Agility, Surf, Ice Beam, Toxic, Supersonic, Double-Edge, Horn Drill

    Aerodactyl: Swords Dance, Agility, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Fly, Earthquake

    Shuckle: Encore, Toxic, Rollout, Protect, Substitute, Rest, Sleep Talk

    Aggron: Thunder Wave, Iron Tail, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Protect, Iron Defense

    Just wanted to contribute a little bit. A little rusty with Gen 3 but hope this helps somehow. I saw some earlier posts that were much more comprehensive.
  5. dwarfstar

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    Seaking: Horn Drill is banned in competitive play, so we wouldn't be adding it in randbats. Supersonic is way too unreliable to bother with.

    Aerodactyl: Fly is kinda useless, Rock Tomb is so weak that the speed drop isn't enough to compensate for it in terms of utility, Agility is more or less pointless because almost nothing outspeeds Aero naturally and it can't BP it to a teammate, and it can't even learn Swords Dance. Rock Slide and Earthquake are already in its randbats movepool.

    Shuckle: Most of those moves are already in its movepool. I don't have enough experience with ADV Shuckle to know if there's any point at all to Substitute (I'm inclined to doubt it given how much it needs its recovery, Toxic, and Encore), but Rollout takes too long to get going and doesn't hit all that hard off Shuckle's garbage Attack stat even once it does.

    Aggron: Thunder Wave, Iron Tail, Rock Slide, and Earthquake are already in its randbats movepool. Double-Edge is fairly strong but doesn't really achieve any important KOs that its other offensive moves don't already, and can't be used to cripple a team like T-wave can. Protect isn't that good on it because it needs its other moveslots too badly, and Iron Defense is kinda questionable.
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  6. Tiksi

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    I would reccomend keeping Double Edge on Aggron since it's powerful (more than Rock Slide), reliable, and comes off Rock Head; the coverage on Fightings and Grounds also helps some. The KO calcs are likely changed also since all mons are 84/84/84 bulk invested in randbats.
  7. HoeenHero

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    Hey vaporterra when you submit movepools suggestions, could you do it in the format i posted in the OP please? It makes things so much easier :)

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    Concering programming of this, im sick atm so its not moving, sorry for the delay. Ill start again when im well.
  8. Typhlito

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    Part 2 GSC Edition

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    Meganium
    + Giga Drain, Grass Whistle (only slightly less accurate than hypnosis), Sunny Day, Solar Beam

    Typhlosion
    + Focus Punch, Reversal (with sub), Howl (gimmicky but could work in randbats), Overheat

    Feraligatr
    + Hydro Pump, Surf (stabs), Brick Break, Focus Punch

    Furret
    + Toxic, Protect, Substitute, Reversal

    Noctowl
    + Feint Attack, Hidden Power Dark/Fire/Ice/Grass, Toxic, Rest, Sleep Talk

    Ladian
    + Hidden Power Bug/Flying, Aerial Ace (makes use of its own SD), Toxic, Reflect

    Ariados
    + Giga Drain, Toxic

    Crobat
    + Haze

    Lanturn
    + Confuse Ray, Substitute

    Togetic
    + Ancient Power (serene grace), Fire Blast, Yawn, Thunder Wave, Hidden Power Flying/Grass, Light Screen, Reflect
    - Focus Punch, Shadow Ball (even with an ancient power boost and/or hustle, its not that strong so it should stick with its stabs to use as much power as possible)

    Xatu
    + Hidden Power Fire, Rest (early bird), Feint Attack, Haze,

    Ampharos
    + Counter

    Bellosom
    + Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Razor Leaf, Hidden Power Fire/Grass/Ice, Swords Dance

    Azumarril
    + Iron Tail, Icy Wind, Perish Song, Belly Drum, Brick Break, Light Screen

    Sudowoodo
    + Counter
    ~IT GETS CALM MIND!~

    Politoad
    + Psychic, Toxic

    Jumpluff
    + Swords Dance, Protect, Stun Spore, Giga Drain

    Aipom
    + Thief (itemless), Counter, Substitute, Agility, Seismic Toss

    Sunflora
    + Grass Whistle, Light Screen

    Yamna
    + Hidden Power Rock, Silver Wind, Shadow Ball

    Quagsire
    + Hidden Power Rock, Ancient Power, Yawn, Haze, Sludge Bomb

    Espeon
    + Bite, Hidden Power Water

    Umbreon
    + Rest, Sleep Talk, Moonlight, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power Fighting (uses its own curse), Pursuit, Torment

    Murkrow
    + Pursuit, Double Edge, Steel Wing

    Slowking
    + Substitute, Focus Punch, Curse, Earthquake, Shadow Ball, Yawn

    Misdreavus
    + Destiny Bond, Imprison, Pain Split, Grudge

    Unown
    + Hidden Power Fighting/Dark

    Wobbuffet
    + Destiny Bond

    Girafarig
    + Rest (worse than wish but takes advantage of early bird), Double Edge, Return, Body Slam

    Forretress
    + Hidden Power Ghost/Flying/Steel, Zap Cannon, Reflect

    Dunsparce
    + Glare, Ancient Power, Yawn, Water Pulse, Ice Beam, Counter

    Gligar
    + Substitute, Quick Attack

    Granbull
    + Bulk Up, Rest, Sleep Talk (works with heal bell), Roar

    Quilfish
    + Ice Beam, Endure, Flail, Rain Dance

    Scizor
    + Edure, Reversal, Hidden Power Ghost, Quick Attack, Double Edge

    Shuckle
    + Defense Curl, Rollout (meh but at least it could do some actual damage)

    Heracross
    + Facade, Hidden Power Ghost, Bulk Up, Counter

    Sneasel
    + Fake Out

    Ursaring
    + Facade, Bulk Up

    Magcargo
    + Hidden Power Grass, Fire Blast, Overheat, Self Destruct, Rock Slide, Reflect, Light Screen, Yawn

    Piloswine
    + Blizzard (needs all the power it could get), Hidden Power Bug/Flying, Light Screen, Reflect

    Corsola
    + Ice Beam, Psychic, Reflect, Light Screen, Mirror Coat, Rock Blast, Hidden Power Rock/Fighting/Electric, Ancient Power, Explosion, Shadow Ball, Earthquake (physical moves except maybe explosion should be strictly used with hustle)
    - Refresh (has natural cure)

    Octillery
    + Fire Blast, Hidden Power Fighting

    Delibird
    + Hidden Power Ground, Rapid Spin, Toxic, Thief (itemless), Double Edge

    Mantine
    + Confuse Ray

    Skarmory
    + Sleep Talk, Curse, Hidden Power Ground, Thief (itemless)

    Houndoom
    + Rest (early bird), Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Toxic

    Kingdra
    + Hidden Power Electric, Substitute, Flail

    Donphan
    + Protect, Hidden Power Flying/Ghost

    Porygon 2
    + Tri-Attack, Conversion 2

    Stantler
    + Psychic, Hidden Power Ice, Thunder Wave, Toxic

    Smergle
    + Endeavor, Knock Off
    - Ingrain (banned with baton pass)

    Miltank
    + Brick Break

    Blissey
    + Aromatherapy, Sing

    Raikou
    + Thunder Wave

    Entei
    + Hidden Power Fighting, Toxic

    Suicune
    + Mirror Coat, Hidden Power Electric, Reflect

    Tyrantiar
    + Substitute, Focus Punch, Curse, Double Edge, Thunder Wave

    Lugia
    + Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Substitute

    Ho-oh
    + Calm Mind, Substitute, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power Rock, Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Thunderbolt

    Celebi
    + Giga Drain, Hidden Power Fire, Light Screen, Reflect, Perish Song


    Part 3 coming soon!
  9. vincent76300

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    I want to contribute , what is missing ?
  10. HoeenHero

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    No sets are missing at the moment, i've just been busy inrl which is why this isn't programmed yet. If your interested in helping out you could suggest changes to existing sets, or maybe contribute in code (DM me if interested in the code part)
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  11. HoeenHero

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    Hey guys good news, I got the scripts done and a beta is available on spacialgaze!

    Ill be updating the movepools again soon (I wanted to finish the scripts before doing that).
    If you see any weird sets, or sets that dont work, or anything that shouldn't be legal (no megas in gen 3 either ;) ), post it here and I'll see what I can do.
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    After doing some SG testing, some bugs and suggestions and such ("have" means "have in its movepool"):

    ResTalk should be removed from Parasect, its pretty difficult to tank with that typing/stat spread and sporing/attacking is preferable
    Raticate should have a STAB more consistent than Facade (Return? Double-Edge? both?)
    Nidoking rolled Sludge Bomb twice
    Nosepass should have Rock Slide (STAB)
    Feraligatr should have a STAB (Hydro Pump? Surf?)
    Solar Beam shouldn't exist without Sunny Day or Drought
    Razor Leaf + Solar Beam shouldn't exist
    Got Endure Gligar without any move/item that Endure helps; either he should get like Salac in that case or he shouldn't have Endure
    Quick Claw + Whirlwind/Roar shouldn't exist
    DD should require a physical move
    Flail should require either Sub or Endure
    Fire Blast + Overheat shouldn't exist
    Aerial Ace + HP Flying shouldn't exist
    Rock Slide + HP Rock shouldn't exist
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  13. HoeenHero

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    - Added missing movepools for Manetric, and Roselia
    - Frustration -> Return
    - Various Script fixes

    Will update movepools further soon.
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    HP Ghost should be removed from Lapras, seems like random coverage and a dual STAB such as Ice Beam would be better
    Electrode should have HP Ice over Sub
    I got Early Bird as ability on Shiftry instead of Chlorophyll when the set was Shadow Ball, Sunny Day, Brick Break, Solar Beam
    Bug STAB On Pinsir( HP Bug) instead of HP Ghost
    Surf SD Rest Talk Kingler should not exist
    Random Endure on rest talk megahorn Heracross should not exist
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    After some more testing:
    Rain Dance + Rest shouldn't be a combination (or something else to prevent Rest Sleep Talk Rain Dance HP Grass Kingdra)
    Swalot can currently get HP Grass and Giga Drain, but Ice Beam is usually better than either; one or both of the grass moves should be removed
    HP Grass + Giga Drain shouldn't exist
    If possible, Perish Song should force Mean Look
    Nidoqueen feels a little fast for Quick Claw
    Light Screen seems not that helpful on Machamp
    Sceptile got Substitute twice
    Aerial Ace Ice Beam Taunt BP Absol isn't great but a good way to fix it isnt coming to mind
    Not sure if Disable + boosting move should be a combination
    If Yanma hasn't rolled another HP type, it should get HP Flying instead of Aerial Ace (this can probably be applied more generally)
    Swords Dance + Counter shouldn't exist
    Earthquake + Bonemerang shouldn't exist
    Disable + Hypnosis shouldn't exist
    not sure why Zapdos gets Extrasensory
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  16. HoeenHero

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    Fixed the above issues.
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    It's on main server now! huzzah!

    Since corsola already has natural cure, it should drop refresh from the movepool and get ice beam.
    Speed boost shouldn't go with Salac Berry (liechi maybe?)
    Overall it feels like choice band should be rather more common, i imagine the presence of utility moves (eg rapid spin on armaldo) are to blame. those moves shouldn't be axed, but there should be a way to increase odds of all 4 moves being powerful physical attacks and therefore getting band
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    We are live on Pokemon Showdown!!

    Thanks to everyone who's helped so far! Feel free to report issues here, and I'll fix them when I get time.
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    Just got Solarbeam on Non-Chlorophyll, Non-Sunny Day Shiftry; not the most helpful of options!

    Also Wobbuffet should have both Mirror Coat & Counter as mandatory, just got one without the former
  22. HoeenHero

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    Most likely, the movepool was emptied out as it was trying to find a sutible move. Also did you possibly have a different pokemon with sunny day?
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    I just got a gorebyss with Iron Defense, Agility and no Baton Pass. Weird.
    Edit: and a nidoking with 2 Sludge Bombs http://imgur.com/a/mjheM
    Edit²: Charizard with Sunny Day, DD, Body Slam and HP Grass
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  24. HeadsILoseTailsYouWin

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    Bright Powder and Quick Claw shouldn't exist, replace them both with Leftovers or a suitable item.

    Sitrus Berry shouldn't exist (heals 30 HP instead of a quarter of max), replace it with Leftovers or a pinch berry.

    If a pinch berry and Substitute is on the set, force max HP to be divisible by 4.
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    Venusaur should have EQ to pair with SD on Curse/SD/whatever
    Body Slam+Double Edge doesn't exist
    remember that the list of other suitable items in gen3 is pretty much Choice Band (which mixed sets and those with things like rapid spin won't have) and maybe chesto berry for Rest users unless i'm missing something

    oh forgot pinch berries and i guess? lum
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