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Rarely Used (RU) Tier
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The only thing that's really obviously broken is Yanmega. I don't like this attitude where people are assuming we have to ban four things right away and several more right after that. The fewer bans, the better. Right now, Cresselia, Venomoth, Porygon-Z, Honchkrow, Entei, etc, are not auto-bans in my book. They're major threats, and we may end up banning some of them, but let's please not go in with the attitude that all the major threats must be broken. The top Pokemon actually do a pretty solid job of keeping each other in check.
Well in my experience the only thing obviously broken to me is Cresselia. So it really comes down to playstyle differences and personal experiences. I myself don't find Yanmega too amazing, where as you apparently do. So we'll see once the suspect testing starts where everything stands at a majority rather than everyones own specific opinions. I personally only think Cresselia and Yanmega have a chance at being banned right away anyway.
I personally dont find anything except honch and yanmega broken, never had a problem with anything else. Really, everytime i face/use either i think they are more broken.
Yeah, so like I said: It really comes down to playstyle, teamatchup, and personal experience differences on what we determine to be broken at the moment. It's really a matter of waiting for the actual testing to begin that we can get a majority of people into the discussion and voting before we can see the bigger metagame offenders.
Scarf Porygon-Z is pretty awful. It should either be running Specs or some boosting set. Also +1 Ice Beam 2HKO's Mandibuzz so Mandibuzz doesn't "wall" porygon-Z.
The sturdy pokemon "argument" applies for EVERY pokemon in the game. So it's a pointless argument, especially when hazards are very common and focus sash isn't that good.
Yanmega can 2HKO pretty much all of RU just by slapping on a Choice Specs, using Tinted Lens, and clicking Bug Buzz. It requires no skill whatsoever. Even if you manage to keep Stealth Rock on the field. A Yanmega player only needs 3 chances to win. Once before SR is set up, where it can put a dent into its check/ counter, once on the first switchin, where it puts its check/ counter into kill range, and one last time to finally plow through its check/ counter and proceed to solo your team.
With the counter situation I see your point, but as checks often are faster pokemon to revenge the threat, that argument isn't really valid. Thyplosion and Entei can force it out and dent the switch in, so essentially, you use the same strategy against Yanmega.
Does this mean you have no skill whatsoever if you do this? Just wondering.
Does this mean you have no skill whatsoever if you do this? Just wondering.
Munchlax > Yanmega nuff' said.
Anyways, I've been trying some new strategies in RU and it seems like not too much can handle the combo of Druddigon and Zweilous' Outrages. Even Steelix has to be careful because of Earthquake / Fire Fang. I'll have to do some more testing though.
Anyways, I've been trying some new strategies in RU and it seems like not too much can handle the combo of Druddigon and Zweilous' Outrages. Even Steelix has to be careful because of Earthquake / Fire Fang. I'll have to do some more testing though.
If you want to look at 'broken set of strategies' more than the 'brokenmons' themselves, look no further than rain dance teams. (I'm putting these broken in quotes because I don't quite believe them to be broken just yet, but people disagree on what's the definition of broken. Rain Dance teams have been a big force in DPP UU, and with BW RU shaping up like DPP UU Lite, I can't help but seeing the viability of Uxie/Kabutops/Ludicolo/etc type of straightforward Rain Dance team... and they've gone completely under the radar. Look at the usage chart!
To contribute to the Yanmega discussion, I don't believe Yanmega to be broken. The thing is, people always talk about Tinted Lens Mega for its power, but speed boost for the ease of revenge kill. Specs Tinted Lens Mega is incredibly easy to revenge if you're playing offense, and if you're playing defense, you should invest in a dedicated special wall anyways, let it be munchie, clefable, lickytung, audino or whatever. (lolaudino) We all know speed boost mega ain't so broken because when the argument for banning comes up, people somehow never talk about the speed boost variant--they all know that bug buzz+air slash isn't the BEST coverage ever, and there's too many counters.
To contribute to the Yanmega discussion, I don't believe Yanmega to be broken. The thing is, people always talk about Tinted Lens Mega for its power, but speed boost for the ease of revenge kill. Specs Tinted Lens Mega is incredibly easy to revenge if you're playing offense, and if you're playing defense, you should invest in a dedicated special wall anyways, let it be munchie, clefable, lickytung, audino or whatever. (lolaudino) We all know speed boost mega ain't so broken because when the argument for banning comes up, people somehow never talk about the speed boost variant--they all know that bug buzz+air slash isn't the BEST coverage ever, and there's too many counters.
I completely agree. They're especially dangerous if you don't have a defensive based team, since most offensive team's dont particularly prepare for Rain Dance. (Even worse because most great Swift Swimmers like Kabutops have come to RU after being disallowed in conjunction to Politoed in OU)
After doing some preliminary testing, rain is REALLY good in RU its kind of ridiculous. After making a generic team of Kabutops Ludicolo Uxie Munchie Galvantula and Electrode its really powerful. Nothing really walls it and can absorb its hits and recover it off so it's a very viable playstyle.
Mainly, people don't realize that rain's even really strong because people don't go out of their way to build a rain team in RU--I mean, it makes logical sense: many people that play RU are here BECAUSE the BW OU Metagame is stained with rain&sand, UU with hail. (I'm not, but seems to be the consensus here). If you don't think rain is good, go out there and play a few games with a generic Rain Dance team! Main checks to swift swimmers include Ferroseed, Blasty, and generic special walls for pure special sets, but main Rain Abusers all have one way or another to muscle through some of them. It seriously does not disappoint.. especially Kabutops.
(Tip: your rain team will naturally need counters to Electric-types, and you need to make sure to counter Speed Boost Yanmega with a rain support mon. (and preferably SB Sharpedo as well) Otherwise you'll be in deep shit as soon as rain is down.)
(Tip: your rain team will naturally need counters to Electric-types, and you need to make sure to counter Speed Boost Yanmega with a rain support mon. (and preferably SB Sharpedo as well) Otherwise you'll be in deep shit as soon as rain is down.)
I think Oglemi already did an intro to RU article?
I'm sure there's room for another one once RU settles a bit after suspect tests ;)
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