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RBY Speed Tiers

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Niched, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Niched

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    Speed Base Speed (Pokemon) [Crit Chance] {Crit Chance with High Critical Hit Moves}

    Tier 1: Speedsters
    378 Base 140 (Electrode) [27.3%] {100%}
    358 Base 130 (Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Mewtwo) [25.4%] {100%}
    338 Base 120 (Alakazam, Dugtrio) [23.4%] {100%}
    328 Base 115 (Persian, Starmie) [22.5%] {100%}
    318 Base 110 (Gengar, Tauros) [21.5%] {100%}
    308 Base 105 (Electabuzz, Kadabra, Rapidash, Scyther) [20.5%] {100%}

    Tier 2: Base 100s or less
    298 Base 100 (Charizard, Dodrio, Fearow, Mew, Ninetales, Raichu, Tentacruel, Zapdos) [19.5%] {100%}
    292 Base 97 (Raticate) [18.9%] {100%}
    288 Base 95 (Arcanine, Haunter, Jynx, Primeape) [18.6%] {100%}
    284 Base 93 (Magmar) [18.2%] {100%}
    280 Base 91 (Pidgeot) [17.8%] {100%}
    278 Base 90 (Golbat, Kangaskahn, Moltres, Mr. Mime, Venemoth) [17.6%] {100%}
    272 Base 87 (Hitmonlee) [17%] {100%}
    268 Base 85 (Articuno, Golduck, Nidoking, Pinsir, Seadra) [16.6%] {100%}
    260 Base 81 (Gyrados) [15.8%] {100%}
    258 Base 80 (Arbok, Dragonite, Kabutops, Venusaur) [15.6%] {100%}
    254 Base 78 (Blastoise) [15.2%] {100%}
    250 Base 76 (Hitmonchan, Nidoqueen) [14.8%] {100%}
    248 Base 75 (Beedrill, Kingler) [14.6%] {100%}
    238 Base 70 (Butterfree, Cloyster, Dewgong, Magneton, Onix, Poliwrath, Victreebel) [13.7%] {100%}
    234 Base 68 (Seaking) [13.2%] {100%}
    232 Base 67 (Hypno) [13%] {100%}
    228 Base 65 (Flareon, Sandslash, Vaporeon) [12.7%] {100%}
    218 Base 60 (Clefable, Farfetch'd, Lapras, Tangela, Weezing) [11.7%] {93.75%}

    Tier 3: Slower than a Speeding Executor
    208 Base 55 (Exeggutor, Machamp, Omastar) [10.7%] {85.9%}
    198 Base 50 (Chansey, Muk, Vileplume) [9.8%] {78.1%}
    194 Base 48 (Ditto) [N/A] {N/A}
    188 Base 45 (Golem, Marowak, Wigglytuff) [8.8%] {70.1%}
    178 Base 40 (Porygon, Rhydon) [7.8%] {62.5%}
    158 Base 30 (Lickitung, Parasect, Slowbro, Snorlax) [5.9%] {46.9%}
  2. eric the espeon

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    Probably a good idea to have these. If no one else wants to, I'll HTML for you.

    Can't the top few agility users beat that? Paralyzed +2 Aerodactyl and +2 Jolteon should outspeed Rhydon, which is slightly notable.

    Also, you should probably remove all the utterly unviable Pokemon. Don't need to be as strict as later gens since it's not going to get too big even if you include the fairly questionable Pokemon, since there are only 151 and no EVs(kinda, but everything hax max so can be ignored)/nature to change speed with. Get rid of Farfetch'd level things at least.
  3. Mekkah

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    Note that if you use Agility after being paralyzed, you have +2 as if you were never paralyzed at all. So it's only relevant to the list if they are paralyzed while they were already at +2.
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    also having the list for agility is unnecessary, as nothing on that list is slower than anything on any of the other lists. And there are no +1 speed boosts.

    Also if it were me I would divide the tiers at Exeggutor, not Chansey.

    [edit] - Oh I see +2 Porygon.. Really, in RBY, that just is not necessary..

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    Actually yeah i agree with hip...if you have used Agility you'll be faster than anything that didn't also use Agility, end of story.
  6. Niched

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    Okay, I'll remove the Agility Pokemon and the paralyzed, and make the cutoff at executor's 55. I'm also going to add crit chances. I would apreciate it if you would html it after I add the crit chances.
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    Hi, I'm htmling this after I can get someone proficient in RBY to nitpick it one last time.
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    Venomoth and Gyarados are misspelt. Otherwise it looks good to me.

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  9. firecape

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    Thanks hip, although, the typos don't matter as I have to retype the whole thing for this kind of html to be time efficient.

    here we go:

    edit: added hip's changes

    edit 2: uploaded

    HTML:
    [title]
    RBY Speed Tiers
    [head]
    <meta name="description" content="A detailed chart of the Speed stats Pokemon hit in the RBY metagame" />
    [page]
    <div class="author">By <a href="/forums/member.php?u=30330">Niched</a>.</div>
    
    <ol class="toc">
    <li><a href="#tier0">Tier 0 (Pokemon with a Speed stat greater than 300)</a></li>
    <li><a href="#tier1">Tier 1 (Pokemon with a Speed stat between 200-299) </a></li>
    <li><a href="#tier2">Tier 2 (Pokemon with a Speed stat lower than 200</a></li>
    </ol>
    
    <h2><a name="tier0">Tier 0 (Pokemon with a Speed stat greater than 300)</a></h2>
    
    <table class="sortable" id="tier0_tbl">
    <thead>
    <tr>
    <th>Speed Stat</th>
    <th>Pokemon</th>
    <th>Base Speed</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance with High Crit Moves</th> 
    </tr>
    </thead>
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td>378</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/electrode">Electrode</a></td>
    <td>140</td>
    <td>27.3%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>358</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/aerodactyl">Aerodactyl</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/jolteon">Jolteon</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/mewtwo">Mewtwo</a></td>
    <td>130</td>
    <td>25.4%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>338</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/alakazam">Alakazam</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/Dugtrio">Dugtrio</a></td>
    <td>120</td>
    <td>23.4%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>328</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/persian">Persian</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/starmie">Starmie</a></td>
    <td>115</td>
    <td>22.3%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>318</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/gengar">Gengar</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/tauros">Tauros</a></td>
    <td>110</td>
    <td>22.3%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>308</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/electabuzz">Electabuzz</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/kadabra">Kadabra</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/rapidash">Rapidash</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/scyther">Scyther</a></td>
    <td>105</td>
    <td>20.3%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>
    
    <h2><a name="tier1">Tier 1 (Pokemon with a Speed stat between 200-299)</a></h2> 
    
    <table class="sortable" id="tier1_tbl">
    <thead>
    <tr>
    <th>Speed Stat</th>
    <th>Pokemon</th>
    <th>Base Speed</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance with High Crit Moves</th> 
    </tr>
    </thead>
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td>298</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/charizard">Charizard</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/dodrio">Dodrio</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/fearow">Fearow</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/mew">Mew</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/ninetales">Ninetales</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/raichu">Raichu</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/tentacruel">Tentacruel</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/zapdos">Zapdos</a></td>
    <td>100</td>
    <td>19.5%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>292</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/raticate">Raticate</a></td>
    <td>97</td>
    <td>18.8%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>288</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/arcanine">Arcanine</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/haunter">Haunter</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/jynx">Jynx</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/primeape">Primeape</a></td>
    <td>95</td>
    <td>18.4%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>284</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/magmar">Magmar</a></td>
    <td>93</td>
    <td>18%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>280</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/pidgeot">Pidgeot</a></td>
    <td>91</td>
    <td>17.6%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>278</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/golbat">Golbat</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/kangaskahn">Kangaskahn</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/moltres">Moltres</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/mr_mime">Mr. Mime</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/venomoth">Venomoth</a></td>
    <td>90</td>
    <td>17.6%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>272</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/hitmonlee">Hitmonlee</a></td>
    <td>87</td>
    <td>16.8%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>268</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/articuno">Articuno</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/golduck">Golduck</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/nidoking">Nidoking</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/pinsir">Pinsir</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/seadra">Seadra</a></td>
    <td>85</td>
    <td>16.4%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>260</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/gyarados">Gyarados</a></td>
    <td>81</td>
    <td>15.6%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>258</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/arbok">Arbok</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/dragonite">Dragonite</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/kabutops">Kabutops</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/venusaur">Venusaur</a></td>
    <td>80</td>
    <td>15.6%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>254</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/blastoise">Blastoise</a></td>
    <td>78</td>
    <td>15.2%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>250</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/hitmonchan">Hitmonchan</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/nidoqueen">Nidoqueen</a></td>
    <td>76</td>
    <td>14.8%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>248</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/beedrill">Beedrill</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/kingler">Kingler</a></td>
    <td>75</td>
    <td>14.5%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>238</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/butterfree">Butterfree</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/cloyster">Cloyster</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/dewgong">Dewgong</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/magneton">Magneton</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/onix">Onix</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/poliwrath">Poliwrath</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/victreebel">Victreebel</a></td>
    <td>70</td>
    <td>13.7%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>234</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/seaking">Seaking</a></td>
    <td>68</td>
    <td>13.2%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>232</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/hypno">Hypno</a></td>
    <td>67</td>
    <td>12.9%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>228</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/flareon">Flareon</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/sandslash">Sandslash</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/vaporeon">Vaporeon</a></td>
    <td>65</td>
    <td>12.5%</td>
    <td>99.6%</td>
    <tr>
    <td>218</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/clefable">Clefable</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/farfetchd">Farfetch'd</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/lapras">Lapras</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/tangela">Tangela</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/weezing">Weezing</a></td>
    <td>60</td>
    <td>11.7%</td>
    <td>93.75%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>208</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/exeggutor">Exeggutor</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/machamp">Machamp</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/omastar">Omastar</a></td>
    <td>55</td>
    <td>10.5%</td>
    <td>85.9%</td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>
    
    <h2><a name="tier2">Tier 2 (Pokemon with a Speed stat lower than 200)</a></h2>
    
    <table class="sortable" id="tier2_tbl">
    <thead>
    <tr>
    <th>Speed Stat</th>
    <th>Pokemon</th>
    <th>Base Speed</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance</th> 
    <th>Crit Chance with High Crit Moves</th> 
    </tr>
    </thead>
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td>198</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/chansey">Chansey</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/muk">Muk</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/vileplume">Vileplume</a></td>
    <td>50</td>
    <td>9.8%</td>
    <td>78.1%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>194</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/ditto">Ditto</a></td>
    <td>48</td>
    <td>N/A</td>
    <td>N/A</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>188</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/golem">Golem</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/marowak">Marowak</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/wigglytuff">Wigglytuff</a></td>
    <td>45</td>
    <td>8.6%</td>
    <td>70.1%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>178</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/porygon">Porygon</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/rhydon">Rhydon</a></td>
    <td>40</td>
    <td>7.8%</td>
    <td>62.5%</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>158</td>
    <td><a href="/rb/pokemon/lickitung">Lickitung</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/parasect">Parasect</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/slowbro">Slowbro</a>, <a href="/rb/pokemon/snorlax">Snorlax</a>, </td>
    <td>30</td>
    <td>5.9%</td>
    <td>46.9%</td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>
    
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    Oh, also the chance to ch with a high ch move never goes above 99.6%

    So yeah a random number between 0 and 255 has to be under base_speed / 2. Ok, yeah the calculations are right because they have used half base over 256, except in the case where it maxes out, when it needs to be 99.6%

    Sorry I missed that before.

    [edit] - actually some of these actually arent exactly correct. Its int(base _speed / 2) So anything with an odd base speed is off by a couple of percentage points.

    115 - 22.3
    105 - 20.3
    97 - 18.8
    95 - 18.4
    93 - 18.0
    91 - 17.6
    87 - 16.8
    85 - 16.4
    81 - 15.6
    75 - 14.5
    67 - 12.9
    65 - 12.5
    55 - 10.5
    45 - 8.6

    Have a nice day.

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