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RBY UU Guide

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by GreenPikachu, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. GreenPikachu

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    hopefully you can use some of this. I made an excel spreadsheet with all the pokemon stats, but i doubt that would translate well to a message board. Along with that, I posted a top 10 list of sorts for each stat category so people can see the highest stats for ecah category, i dunno. probably not that useful. i got a little carried away, i suppose. i'm gonna be posting everything one by one.


    HP

    1). Wigglytuff 483
    2). Vaporeon 463
    3). Muk 413
    4). Poliwrath 383
    Machamp
    Lickitung
    Dewgong
    Arcanine
    9). Pidgeot

    Attack

    1). Flareon 358
    Kingler
    Machamp
    4). Pinsir 348
    5). Hitmonlee 338
    6). Kabutops 328
    7). Arcanine 318
    Scyther
    9). Aerodactyl 308
    Muk
    Hitmonchan
    Primeape

    Defense

    1). Onix (418
    2). Omastar (348
    3). Weezing (338
    4). Kingler (328
    Tangela
    Graveler
    7). Marowak (318
    8). Kabutops (308
    9). Blastoise (298
    Pinsir

    Speed

    1). Electrode (378
    2). Aerodactyl (358
    3). Dugtrio (338
    4). Rapidash (308
    Scyther
    Electabuzz
    7). Fearow (298
    Ninetales
    9). Raticate (292)

    Special

    1). Magneton (338
    2). Omastar (328
    3). Flareon (318
    Vaporeon
    5). Ninetales (298
    Tangela
    Vileplume
    8). Dewgong (288
    Seadra

    Overall

    1). Arcanine (1505)
    2). Aerodactyl (1475)
    3). Flareon (1455)
    Kabutops
    Pinsir
    Vaporeon
    7). Blastoise (1445)
    Kingler
    Omastar
    10). Ninetales (1443)
  2. GreenPikachu

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    By looking at the max stats of the RBY UU pokemon, it’s obvious that this metagame is dominated by Fires and Waters, and to a lesser degree, Grass, Electric, and Fighting. Eight of the top 10 overall stat-pokemon are either a Fire or Water, or some dual type involving Fire or Water. Gone are the days of Psychic and Normal pokemon accounting for 2/3 of your team. The normals available in UU are, most of the time, not usable due to just terrible stats and/or bad movepools. There aren’t even any Psychics available in the UU metagame, save pre-evolutions, but for psychic, it isn’t worth it.

    Thus, one Fire and one Water will always be on your UU team, not out of necessity, but just because of the sheer fact that so many of them are great to use. Flareon, Arcanine, Ninetales, Omastar, Blastoise, and Vaporeon come to mind. These are some of the big names in the UU metagame.

    Grass and Electric pokemon play a bigger role, unlike in Standard, where you only see one grass regularly (Eggy), and an electric every now and then (Jolteon/Zapdos). Pokemon like Electabuzz, Magneton, Electrode, Tangela, Parasect, and Vileplume have stats and/or movepools that put them in the upper echelon of RBY UU.

    As far as physical attackers are concerned, Grounds/Rocks aren’t seen too often, due to bad overall stats and poor movepools. However, Fighters come to the forefront. Machamp, Hitmonlee, Primeape, and Poliwrath(Water/Fighting) are some of the heaviest hitters in the UU metagame.

    Poison and Bug have some value in this limited metagame, with pokemon such as Muk with his high HP, Weezing and his monster defense, Scyther with his Attack/Speed combo, and Pinsir with nice Defense and Attack.

    And, I can’t forget my personal favorite, Dugtrio. He is perhaps the only usable Ground pokemon in the UU metagame. The only one that comes close is perhaps Graveller, the pre-evo to Golem.
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    When it comes to making your UU team, the only advice I have for you is to be as unpredictable as possible. Try new and crazy movesets and rotate your pokemon around. To get you going, I’ll provide you with the moves that each pokemon learns that can be worth using in the UU environment with a brief explanation of what each pokemon is capable of doing, and a ranking out of 10.

    Aerodactyl: Toxic, Substitute, Sky Attack, Mimic, Hyper Beam, Fire Blast, Double-Edge, Wing Attack, Supersonic, Agility.

    The upsetting thing about Aerodactyl is that he has no good moveset. He is the next fastest pokemon in the UU metagame to Electrode, he has a decent enough attack, and has a good dual type with Rock/Flying. If he got any one of Earthquake, Rock Slide, Body Slam, or Drill Peck, he’d easily be BL. But the lack of a moveset is what hurts him. Give him a shot, but don’t be disappointed if he ends up being one of the more useless pokemon on your team. Don’t get me wrong, he IS usable, but with his poor movepool, there are better options. 6.5/10.


    Arbok: Screech, Glare, Wrap, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Hyper Beam, Earthquake, Acid, Rock Slide, Toxic, Substitute

    Arbok just doesn’t really have the stats to do much. Even with powerful moves like Earthquake, Rock Slide, D-E, H-Beam, and B-Slam running off a 268 attack (which in UU is pretty damn good), his defenses ruin him. But, Glare is a fun (but fairly inaccurate) paralyzing move. If only Aerodactyl had the movepool that Arbok had. Oh man. One nice thing is that Poison pokemon don’t really have to worry about Psychic pokemon in UU, and Grounds aren’t that common either. 7/10.


    Arcanine: Agility, Flamethrower, Body Slam, Dig, Fire Blast, Double-Edge, Mimic, Reflect, Hyper Beam, Substitute

    Arcanine is, quite simply, a UU beast. Highest overall combined stats (1505), rivals some of the OU pokemon. Lack of need for fire in OU is what hurts Arcanine, and drops him to UU. Just attack, attack, attack. Use Fire Blast/Flamethrower, along with a physical attack or two running off his 318 attack. You can’t go wrong with Arcanine. 10/10


    Beedrill: Agility, Focus Energy(Stadium), Twineedle, Hyper Beam, Reflect, Swords Dance, Substitute, Swift, Toxic

    People tried SO hard to make this guy usable when RBY was first taking off. We hoped that with his Twineedle and Swords Dance, he’d become the big Mewtwo killer. But, Tobybro eventually was created, and people finally gave up on this poorly-statted pokemon. In UU, he certainly becomes MORE usable, but still lacks a lot stat-wise. Try him out if you want, but you’ll soon realize what thousands of hopefuls have learned long ago. He just doesn’t cut it. 4/10.


    Blastoise: Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Body Slam, Dig, Counter, Double-Edge, Rest, Earthquake, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mimic, Reflect, Seismic Toss, Substitute, Surf

    Blastoise is one of the many water pokemon that are rampant in RBY UU. Not one of the best choices for Water, but popular because he was many people’s very first pokemon when he was a Squirtle (awww). Pretty good stats for UU. Can tank fairly well with Reflect/Rest. Has a decent enough attack to try Earthquake out for those incoming Magneton/Electabuzz/Electrode. Overall, good stats, good movepool, good choice. 8/10.


    Butterfree: Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Mega Drain, Psychic, Hyper Beam, Mimic, Substitute, Reflect

    Not that good of a pokemon. His only real claim to fame is being able to Double Powder, which IS actually a good way to make yourself famous. Other than that, it can’t do anything. Usually, you’ll just want to round the set out with Psychic/Mega Drain, so it can at least do some kind of damage. Just for being able to double powder, though, I say give him a try. 5/10.


    Dewgong: Ice Beam, Rest, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Hyper Beam, Surf

    Good HP and Special. Definitely worth a try. Gets stab on Water and Ice, which is always nice. A STAB-ed Ice Beam/Blizzard could take you a long way. However, the dual Ice hurts him against Fire, because he takes normal damage instead of ½ damage. Not as good a physical attacker as other Water choices, but still can utilize Body Slam/Hyper Beam good enough. Just an average UU pokemon. Nothing great, but he has the stats to be able to handle himself. 6.5/10.


    Ditto: Transform

    Don’t use him. Ever. Unless you want to have a handicap, or plan on losing in the first place. 0/10.

    Dragonair: Agility, Hyper Beam, Thunder Wave, Wrap, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Reflect, Substitute, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Surf,

    A very versatile pokemon. You can make him physical-based, or special-based. Regardless, he is one of the few T-Wavers available in RBY UU that is actually usable. BoltBeam is still as useful as it is in Standard metagame play. And, he is also capable of Wrapping, which is now growing in popularity. Great movepool, and stats that are just good enough to help him pull it off. 7.5/10.


    Dugtrio: Earthquake, Mimic, Slash, Sand Attack, Growl, Rock Slide, Substitute, Body Slam,

    Limited movepool, but he has what he needs: A stab move, Slash, and a choice of Mimic/Sand Attack/Growl/Sub for the last 2 slots—good enough for me. Is one of the fastest pokemon in RBY UU, thus giving him one of the highest CH rates as well. One of the best grounds to use in RBY UU, and believe it or not, but long ago when RBY first came out, this guy was definitely a Standard. It’s a shame he’s lost so much popularity, but it is for a good reason. Other than his speed, his stats aren’t that great, especially his HP which maxes out at 273. But, he is definitely worth a shot, despite getting 2HKO-ed by just about anything. 7/10.


    Electabuzz: Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Reflect, Seismic Toss, Substitute,

    Solid UU choice—probably the best Electric in the UU metagame. After T-Wave & T-Bolt, it has many great options for the last 2 slots. It has enough attack to use Body Slam or Hyper Beam successfully, but Seismic Toss is a good way to just take off 100 HP no matter what type the pokemon is. Psychic is nice, because of the total lack of psychic pokemon to use in UU. Electabuzz’s Psychic is one of the most powerful Psychic’s in the UU metagame. Only Venomoth and Magmar rival him. 8.5/10


    Electrode: Explosion, Light Screen, Screech, Reflect, Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt

    Pretty one-dimensional. Explosion is the only really cool thing about him. Fastest pokemon in UU metagame, and in the entire game, for that matter. He gets the job done, though. No ghosts in UU metagame, and not many rock types, so his explosion will pretty much always put a nice dent in someone if its needed. Other than that, nothing really impressive about him. 7.5/10


    Farfetch’d: Agility, Swords Dance, Slash, Sand Attack, Body Slam, Reflect, Substitute, Swift

    Doesn’t really have the stats. Is one of the few Swords Dancers in UU, but won’t be able to withstand the setup. Good for a laugh, but not much more. 4/10.


    Fearow: Agility, Drill Peck, Hyper Beam, Sky Attack, Substitute, Toxic

    Fearow has good attack and speed, coupled with Drill Peck. That’s essentially all you’ll ever be doing, so the rest of the set doesn’t matter TOO much. Hyper Beam is a necessity for finishing stuff off, but other than DP and HB, it shouldn’t matter. Can hold its own fairly well. Doesn’t have a whole lot of stamina, but can put a dent into a good amount of things. More useful than Farfetch’d, at least. 5.5/10.

    Flareon: Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Sand Attack, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Mimic, Reflect, Substitute

    Great Attack and Great Special. On par with Arcanine as far as awesomeness in UU is concerned. Fire Blast/Body Slam are necessities, so you get a couple slots to play around with. Mimic is a fun choice, Reflect is solid, and Fire Spin might be popular for those Wrap teams. Good stamina and movepool. 9.5/10


    Golbat: Confuse Ray, Haze, Leech Seed, Screech, Wing Attack, Mega Drain, Hyper Beam, Toxic

    Nothing special here. Golbat has average stats, but makes a decent support pokemon. Can’t sleep anything, but it can Confuse and Poison, as well as Leech Seed and act as a Hazer, if needed. 5/10


    Golduck: Disable, Hydro Pump, Fury Swipes, Blizzard, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Double-Edge, Mimic, Substitute, Seismic Toss, Surf,

    Golduck is a solid UU pokemon. Good-Great stats across the board, and is probably the best pure water type right behind Vaporeon. Not a whole lot to say…he’d make a great choice for your UU team. 8.5/10


    Graveler: Earthquake, Explosion, Body Slam, Rock Slide, Substitute, Seismic Toss

    Could be the most useful ground to have on your team for UU-purposes. It can explode, and grab STAB off Quake and R’Slide. It has good HP, Attack along with tremendous defense. No speed or special, but, hey, that’s expected. 7.5/10


    Hitmonchan: Agility, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Body Slam, Seismic Toss, Submission, Substitute

    I don’t know why I bothered listing the elemental punches. It’s really the only thing that separates Chan from Lee, as well as Lee’s HJK, which makes him the better Hitmon choice. With a 168 special, those punches won’t do much. He’s just a shafted version of Hitmonlee. 4.5/10


    Hitmonlee: Focus Energy(Stadium), Hi Jump Kick, Meditate, Body Slam, Seismic Toss, Substitute

    Hi Jump Kick is the best fighting move in RBY, but has 90% accuracy, and you hurt yourself if it misses. Assuming Focus Energy works, you’ll want it on this guy. He has poor stamina, so meditate isn’t THAT great of an option. I’d prefer FEing if I can, and just going crazy with HJK and B-Slam until it goes down. With 338 attack and 272 speed, you’ll be outspeeding most pokemon, and hitting them extremely hard. Lack of stamina really messes up what otherwise would be a tremendously powerful UU pokemon. 7.5/10.


    Kabutops: Hydro Pump, Slash, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mimic, Seismic Toss, Swords Dance, Surf, Substitute

    Rock/Water. It completely walls all those awesome Fire Types (though, not as well as his fossil-counterpart Omastar). Another Swords Dancer, but sadly, it isn’t quite worth it. The only worthwhile setup for UU would be FE if it worked. But, to really get him going, you’d want 2 SD, but by then the grass is in, and you’re switched back out. And, sadly, he doesn’t quite have the speed to be a sweeper. Just go all-out attacking with Kabutops. However, if you feel you have the right team around you, by all means go with Swords Dance. For some reason I never really warmed up to him though. 7.5/10.


    Kingler: Crabhammer, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mimic, Substitute Surf, Swords Dance

    Probably the most popular Swords Dancer in the RBY UU metagame. He has great defense, attack (358), and decent HP, but unfortunately has a subpar speed and a bad, bad special stat. With the lack of a Special stat, Crabhammer is better than Surf for him due to the high CH rate. Otherwise, you should be unloading with Body Slams and Hyper Beams. 8.5/10

    Lickitung: Disable, Screech, Supersonic, Wrap, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mimic, Seismic Toss, Surf, Swords Dance, Thunderbolt

    Has an unbelievable movepool. Unfortunately his stats are crap. 158 speed? Ugh. You can try to use him if you want, but in RBY UU, there are much better options than this guy. 3.5/10

    Machamp: Focus Energy, Low Kick, Seismic Toss, Submission, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Hyper Beam, Rock Slide, Seismic Toss, Substitute

    Great Attack and HP. Every other stat is good enough to make Machamp a very usable UU pokemon. No real Fighting attack for him, seeing as how Low Kick and Submission don’t quite have the accuracy you’d wish for in a signature move. But with Quake and R’Slide, as well as Hyper Beam and/or Body Slam, you have enough on this guy’s arsenal to make him dangerous. 8/10.
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    Magmar: Confuse Ray, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Seismic Toss, Substitute

    Magmar is an awesome pokemon. I love him. Confuse Ray is extremely valuable, and I always use Fire Blast over Flamethrower for the power and increase burn chance. The other two slots don’t matter too much. A Paraslam is always welcome. 8/10


    Magneton: Screech, Supersonic, Thunder Wave, Substitute, Reflect, Thunderbolt

    Good defense and great special. Nothing else going on with this guy. But, he is useful. He has the strongest T-Bolt in UU play. Ability for parafusion as well, with T-Wave/Supersonic. Reflect and/or Screech can be valuable as well. No physical attacks for Magneton doesn’t necessarily mean Screech is pointless. It can induce switches. Overall, a solid UU pokemon that can have a late-game impact with his powerful Thunderbolt. 8/10


    Marowak: Bone Club, Focus Energy, Body Slam, Earthquake, Seismic Toss, Substitute

    Utterly worthless in UU. Crap attack for a physical-based pokemon who can’t act as a support. No special. No speed. No nothing. Much better choices for a ground, if you really want one. Luckily for his sake he gets Thick Club in GSC. 2.5/10


    Muk: Acid Armor, Disable, Screech, Sludge, Body Slam, Explosion, Mega Drain, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Substitute, Thunderbolt

    Just listed the elemental moves for the heck of it. You really shouldn’t be using them. Sludge is the best poison move in the game, and since it gets STAB and works off a 308 attack, and has a 30% chance of poisoning, it is a GREAT move. That, along with Screech, Explosion, and Body Slam, make him extremely usable. Muk could be one of the best physical-based pokemon in the UU metagame. He lacks in speed, but, that’s the only glaring weakness for him. With no psychics anywhere to be seen, Muk can really affect a UU game. 9/10.


    Ninetales: Confuse Ray, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Body Slam, Dig, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Substitute, Reflect

    Another great fire pokemon. Confuse Ray is ever-so-useful. Another Fire Spinner for wrap teams. 298 speed and special are what stand out on this pokemon, so his Fire Blast packs a punch, and he’ll get it in before the majority of available pokemon in the UU metagame. 9/10


    Omastar: Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Reflect, Seismic Toss, Rest, Substitute, Surf

    343 HP. 348 Defense, with a resistance to Normal. 328 Special. This guy is a tank. If Evasion is allowed, he’d be a nice Double Rester. With that special, Surf/Hydro Pump and Blizzard/Ice Beam will pack a punch. I just love this guy. No particular reason. He is a real solid choice for your UU team. 8.5/10


    Onix: Bind, Screech, Body Slam, Earthquake, Explosion, Rock Slide

    Utterly useless. Sorry, guys. 418 defense is extremely impressive. But all his other stats are embarrassing. That 418 defense isn’t gonna be able to make him a viable option all by itself. Graveler and Dugtrio outshine Marowak and Onix terribly. 2.5/10


    Parasect: Growth, Leech life, Slash, Spore, Stun Spore, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Mega Drain, Reflect, Solarbeam, Substitute, Sword Dance

    Again, if Evasion is allowed, Parasect is a fun guy to use it with. Another double-powderer of a different sort. Spore is the best sleep move. Ever. Double Powder + Swords Dance and Body Slam is fun. Or Growth + Solarbeam. His stats aren’t the best in the world, but good enough to make him usable at least. 6.5/10


    Pidgeot: Agility, Sand Attack, Wing Attack, Fly, Hyper Beam, Sky Attack, Reflect, Substitute, Toxic

    Pidgeot actually has some pretty decent stats for UU. 280 speed and 258 attack. Not bad. He has a lack of good moves, however. No great flying move is available to him (unless you want a 2 turn move), and he can’t get Body Slam. Better option than Farfetch’d, but Fearow getting Drill Peck hurts Pidgeot’s overall usefulness. Fearow is the better option. 5/10


    Pinsir: Focus Energy, Seismic Toss, Slash, Swords Dance, Body Slam, Double Edge, Hyper Beam, Substitute


    Pinsir has great Attack and Defense. HP and Speed are above average. Special leaves something to be desired, but we only have to worry about that for defense, since he’ll be a physical attacker. Lack of a good bug move hurts him, but anything with those stats that can get Swords Dance and Body Slam/Hyper Beam is worth using. 7.5/10


    Poliwrath: Body Slam, Hypnosis, Amnesia, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Earthquake, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Psychic, Rest, Seismic Toss, Submission, Substitute, Surf

    Perhaps the scariest pokemon in the UU metagame. It can sleep you, it can Amnesia, and it can be physical or special-based. Has tremendous stamina, and solid stats to boost that great movepool. 10/10


    Porygon: Agility, Recover, Sharpen, Tri Attack, Blizzard, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Psychic, Reflect, Substitute, Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt

    Poor man’s Dragonair w/ Recover. It can T-wave and Boltbeam, but not as well as Dragonair can. Its stats are just a bit less than that of Dragonair. It can Sharpen and Tri Attack though, and those are cool moves. But, other than the novelty factor, he isn’t that great of a choice. 5/10


    Primeape: Focus Energy(Stadium), Fury Swipes, Screech, Low Kick, Seismic Toss, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Rock Slide, Submission, Substitute

    Good Attack and Speed. He’s a poor man’s Machamp, unfortunately. Especially with FE not working correctly on Netbattle. That speed goes to waste with no real STAB move. Body Slam is good enough, I suppose. I’d rather take the 50 more attack points that Machamp has, however. 6.5/10


    Rapidash: Agility, Fire Spin, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Fire Blast, Reflect, Substitute

    Nice stats, but nothing really stands out. Ninetales and Magmar are better for Confuse Ray. Flareon is better for its attack. Arcanine is better for it’s overall stats. Rapidash is the neglected fire pokemon in RBY UU. It’s certainly good enough, but there are better options. 6/10


    Raticate: Focus Energy(Stadium), Super Fang, Blizzard, Body Slam, Hyper Beam

    Raticate is fun to use for Super Fang. Other than that, not a whole lot is going on here. Blizzard is fun to use, because he doesn’t have much else going for him, and freezing is always fun. 6.5/10


    Scyther: Agility, Focus Energy(Stadium), Quick Attack, Slash, Swords Dance, Wing Attack, Swift, Hyper Beam

    Nice stats, but a bad movepool. It seems there are quite a few of these guys in UU. Scyther is a solid choice, because I’m sure a SD-ed anything would put a hurt on anyone, but just imagine if he had like Drill Peck or Twineedle. That’d be pretty sweet. Or even Body Slam. Not only that, but he is weak to Boltbeam and Fire, two things that are rampant in RBY and UU, and doesn’t have much stamina. But, alas, we have to work with what we got. 6.5/10

    Seadra: Agility, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Mimic, Surf

    Seadra is a solid Water. Sort of comparable to Rapidash though. He is just overshadowed by dual types like Kabutops/Omastar, highly statted Waters like Vaporeon, and other pure water types like Blastoise and Golduck. The only stat that lacks on Seadra is Attack, which is fine, because it isn’t really used. He has the attacks and the stats to pull off those attacks, but just isn’t the popular water choice. 6.5/10


    Seaking: Agility, Supersonic, Blizzard, Double-Edge, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Substitute, Surf

    Nothing going on here. Higher attack than Seadra, but Seadra is the better choice than Seaking. Seaking is probably the weakest water in the UU metagame. He just isn’t worth it really. 4.5/10


    Tangela: Bind, Growth, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Body Slam, Mega Drain, Swords Dance, Substitute

    My favorite Double Powderer (enough more than Eggy). Either Growth/Mega Drain or Swords Dance/physical attack should fill in the last 2 slots. Or Mega Drain and a physical attack, I suppose. But, his defense and the ability to Double Powder are what make Tangela the best UU grass choice, and what also makes him usable in Standard matches. 9.5/10


    Vaporeon: Acid Armor, Haze, Hydro Pump, Sand Attack, Focus Energy(Stadium), Blizzard, Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Reflect, Rest, Subsitute, Surf

    The Best Water Pokemon in the UU metagame. Great stamina. Good movepool. Walls any fire pokemon. Excellent choice. 10/10


    Venomoth: Disable, Leech Life, Psychic, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Supersonic, Hyper Beam, Mega Drain, Reflect, Solarbeam, Substitute

    Another Double Powderer. Also has Psychic + 278 Special. A very viable option for your UU team, as he provides great support. 7.5/10


    Vileplume: Acid, Petal Dance, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Body Slam, Mega Drain, Hyper Beam, Reflect, Solarbeam, Swords Dance, Substitute

    A very underrated pokemon, even for UU’s sake. Can Double Powder, and Swords Dance. STAB-ed Solarbeams and Mega Drains running off a 298 special is great. If I wasn’t so in love with Tangela, I’d be using Vileplume for sure. 8/10


    Weezing: Explosion, Haze, Sludge, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Mimic, Thunderbolt, Substitute

    Weezing is a solid UU pokemon. Good stats everything except speed (218), which still isn’t THAT bad. Can be a Hazer if need be. Sludge with STAB running off his attack is about it as far as physical attacks go, except Explosion. Fire Blast/Thunderbolt provide a nice special attack for Weezing. Fire Blast is probably better, considering if the team has a Ground, he’ll most likely be that team’s Weezing counter, and T-Bolt won’t be doing much against a Ground. 7.5/10


    Wigglytuff: Sing, Disable, Blizzard, Body Slam, Double-Edge, Fire Blast, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Reflect, Seismic Toss, Substitute, Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt

    Highest HP in the RBY UU metagame. But, that’s about all this guy has going for him. Gets a nice movepool, but just doesn’t have the stats to pull anything off. I, however, love Wiggly, because it is known to get great luck at key moments. Use at your own risk, though. 5.5/10
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    Pidgeot500 reincarnate with a new username.

    I did not read it all, it would take a few sittings, but what I did read was well done. Good job.
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    i have no life. ;x

    edit: whats worse is that i did all of this in about 3 hours.
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    will look over it, although for a moveset listing all of the movesets are already on the actual website dude
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    I'd like it better if it mentioned all the UU tiered pokes and the out-standing pokes in each category (eg. tanks, sweepers etc.) instead of every poke. Still cool guide. Also mentioning whether a poke is BL or a move is a tradeback move.
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    Onix is very useful in UU imo. It walls most electrics completely and is faster than all the grass types. With bind you get an easy switch to a counter. Also it's the only rock/ground because gravler is considered BL. 2.5/10 is a little harsh for it.

    Pidgeot > Fearow. 6 Pidgeots vs 6 Fearows, Pidgeot won everytime I played Fuzion and I think Lesm never lost either...

    Also Fly is another option since Aero can't be hit for one turn (weak defenses). The base 70 won't matter much since Aero will CH a lot of the time and will sweep once all the rock types are eliminated.

    Also on Poliwrath, Surf is standard but psychic, if it's not a tradeback or is it, should be used because almost nothoing resists it.
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    Onix is so great, it's immune to Thunder Wave. :) His Explosion cannot OHKO Alakazam though. Still, I agree that he's usable. At least he shouldn't be 2.5/10 when FEAROW is 3 points higher.

    (Fearow is actually better than you gave him credit for but Pidgeot stands superior)

    I also think Wigglytuff should get a little higher rating. The movepool is nothing to sneeze at, it's basically the Clefable of UU.
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    My RBY UU team has no Fire type, and there have been RBY UU teams without water types(that's less common, but it still happens).

    And, I can’t forget my personal favorite, Dugtrio. He is perhaps the only usable Ground pokemon in the UU metagame. The only one that comes close is perhaps Graveller, the pre-evo to Golem.

    I could have sworn Dugtrio was BL... With that speed and the ground typing, he probably should be. Either way, I have to iterate how awesome Onix is in UU. I seriously wouldn't build a UU team without him. He won't do much in terms of attacking, but he doesn't have to. He completely negates a ton of big threats in UU, such as all the electrics. He is also UU's best normal resist(seriously, using pre-evos of OU stuff in UU makes you lame; UU is supposed to be about the actual UU Pokemon; I've seen UU tournaments blanket ban pre-evos of OUs too). Actual normal types are less common in UU, but normal type attacks are still everywhere. Our good pal Aerodactyl basically tries to sweep with high stats and normal type attacks; it's nice to be able to just say no. Onix also gets Bind which is cool, and he can explode(not that you should ever explode off that base attack and losing such a great Pokemon).

    Aerodactyl's CH rate is through the roof, and he can hammer with high base power normal type attacks off a good attack. He's not the greatest, but if the opponent doesn't have a rock, he can be a pain to deal with.

    Arcanine's useless movepool makes him UU more than anything; being a member of the generally useless fire type(and make no mistake; fire sucks beyond belief in RBY on every level) only further digs the grave.

    Golbat can't leech seed(heh, did you misread Leech Life?), and even if he could, he shouldn't. Leech Seed was very weak in RBY. I think he's more useless than most things; most of what you listed for him isn't going to be useful. Haze is somewhat cool, but if you honestly want haze you should probably be running Vaporeon who can take a hit from the stuff it's hazing. Considering how haze cures enemy status effects though; it's a risky move.

    Did you honestly list Fury Swipes in the Golduck secion and not Amnesia? Amnesia makes Golduck. Amnesia makes Golduck a god; seriously, Amnesia/Surf/Blizzard Golduck is a nightmare to take down in general and is a serious contender for a late game sweep. The only things that can really wall him up are other waters, and those are just a free pass to 999 special(Poliwrath might be trouble). The main reason this thing isn't actually seen in OU is just because Slowbro exists and does what it does better with higher defense and the psychic typing. Unlike Slowbro, though, he has speed(making him, of course, a ridiculous paralysis magnet), and like Slowbro, CH's ruin him.

    Hitmonchan: needs to be treated more harshly. It is the second most useless Pokemon next to Ditto.

    Hitmonlee: in most RBY battles(as in, not on stadium), Focus Energy does not work. Also, you might want to note that the recoil from a missed HJK is only 1 HP which is cool.

    You're being unfair to Lickitung. It's certainly better than a lot of other stuff you talked much more kindly about. If he can get some of that paralysis support, he has Swords Dance with STAB Wrap to work with and then a STAB Hyper Beam for a finisher. His stats do suck, but he's not trash on the same level as, say, Hitmonchan or Golbat.

    Submission makes me sad, but it's hardly a failure of a move for Machamp. It will put a hurting on the rocks and normals of UU badly.

    Marowak: a ground type is never useless. He can take a physical hit decently well, and his attack is decent as well. His movepool is also pretty diverse in attacking moves. Marowak isn't an A+ Pokemon, but he's not useless either.

    Muk: 30% poisoning on Sludge is a bad thing oftentimes; poisoning does very little damage and, more importantly, being poisoned blocks paralysis which as you should know is a status effect that pretty much dominates all forms of RBY. Eh, Muk isn't the kind who can really hit all that hard; I think you overrate him a bit. He's certainly solid though.

    You are utterly wrong about Onix, and I'll say it again. Onix is a god. He is a wall, and he walls up a lot of scary stuff very well. He has bind; with paralysis support he can mess stuff up. He has STAB on two good types to be attacking off in RBY; that helps offset his rather pathetic attack. He can even explode. Seriously, Onix is that Pokemon that forces them to switch out that thing that would have swept your team. That makes Onix a force. 2.5/10? More like 10/10.

    Porygon is not the poor man's Dragonair because UEs have no place in UU. With recover is also saying a lot. I do agree that he's not really that great, but I don't think what you had to say did him justice.

    Rapidash is the fast fire who is probably better at Fire Spin abuse. Yeah, Fire Spin's accuracy makes it bad compared to the other partial trapping moves.

    You do realize how awesome Super Fang is, don't you? Raticate having STAB normal moves doesn't hurt either.

    If you were harsh on Aero because of his movepool, please be harsher on Scyther. He gets Swords Dance but can only really use it with Hyper Beam, and he gets Slash. That's about the extent of his movepool.

    I don't think you can flat out call Vaporeon best. Golduck gets Amnesia, Blastoise has some unique moves on him, Omastar is a rock type... He's certainly very good, but I don't think you should make that blanket statement.

    Your numerical ratings seem arbitrary and often unfair. I avoided picking at them as much as I could(only attacking the Onix rating because you grossly misjudged him) because they are oftentimes so disagreeable, and you end up ranking the Pokemon in a generally disagreeable way. You should probably drop them. Also, you have two smileys you didn't mean to have. It's really not a bad analysis; I just disagree with a lot of stuff. I'm really not trying to be mean; this is supposed to be constructive criticism. The cool thing about RBY UU is that nothing short of Ditto is completely useless.
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    i'll go back through it and double-check ratings. i probably didn't stay consistent with my rating system.

    and, i'll categorize the pokemon, that sounds cool.

    in terms of pidgeot v. fearow, fearow is faster and gets drill peck. :/ i dunno.

    onix is ok. his defense is crazy, but come on. i'll admit i probably got stingy with the ratings at the end, and onix should be way higher than 2.5, but any normal-effective move is gonna put a hurting on him with that HP, regardless of what that defense is.

    chaos- let me know what else you'd want. as i already said, i have no life, especially during the summer. just give me some more ideas, and i'll write more up.
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    ...Or, i'll dump it all together. AA, you make great points. I probably should have taken breaks in between to clear my head, but i just kinda rushed through it all. haha. i can edit it and stuff. I just wanted an idea of how it's shaping up. Apparently, not very well. o.o
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    IMO lose the rating section all together and let the people that try out UU to learn how good each poke is by themselves :). Btw I mean the numbers you give each of them on the bottom.
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    yeah, it was a retarded idea. we all make mistakes. luckily this is one that is about pokemon online. so, not that big in the grand scheme of things, haha.

    anyway, i'll rework it, and send it to chaos.

    any other ideas for what this should contain, though?
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    I don't find the catagorizing by max stats very usefull in the begining. also all the different pokemon analysises are a bit extranious, as was already mentioned in the smogon database.

    as opposed to those two things, I think you should go over in more extent on actual team building, and a list of major sweeping threats in the metagame. such as things like Poliwrath, Golduck and some of the swords dancers, like kabutops, kingler and pinsir.
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    Porygon stats are too low x_x so recover isn't that useful on it...I think vap and omastar can 2HKO it and everything else 3HKOs it...
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    yeah, basically.

    and, also, Golduck isn't THAT big of a threat in RBY UU because Amnesia is a GSC tradeback I thought. At least, that's what I assume because Amnesia isn't listed in his RBY pokedex entry. Unless i started hallucinating yesterday, hah.
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    Amnesia is gained by Pokemon Stadium. The original one.
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    ah, that should probably be included in the pokedex somewhere.

    likewise, with surf on pikachu and stuff. i didn't check if the pokedex listed Surf on Pikachu or not.

    EDIT: Surf is listed...can anyone confirm Amnesia being available to golduck through Stadium? o_O

    edit2: alright, i believe you. i didn't include it, because i just went by the pokedex. thanks for letting me know.
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    Psyduck learns it from PS1 so thats why they didnt list it.
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    This thing is way too large for anybody to read. I will look over it this weekend and try to remove the unnecessary parts and add in some things that may be important, and I will organize it by section and what not and post it in the article section for RBY. I was initially working on a RBY UU Guide with Steelicks but we were lazy and didn't get very far.

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