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Regenerator Ho-Oh and Multiscale Lugia

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by MikeDecIsHere, Jun 26, 2012.

  1. shrang

    shrang Draw me... like one of your human girls
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    Jul 24, 2009
    Actually, Ho-oh in the rain is quite underrated. Like Rain Volc in OU, Ho-oh ends up a lot of potential to a lot of rain teams, like Ferrothorn, Latias, Grass Arceus, Fighting Arceus, as well as giving you a huge weapon to use against sun teams. Brave Bird hits most things you want to hit, while Sacred Fire is still useful enough against the threats you want it to check (Ferrothorn, as well as 50% burn). While yes, Ho-oh is a lot less effective and harder to abuse on a rain team, you shouldn't get into the mentality that "Oh, I'm running a rain team, therefore I'm writing Ho-oh off immediately". Ho-oh is not something you'd want to abuse on a rain team, but is still really good to glue together some weaknesses you may be running into.
  2. CrackinSkulls


    Mar 2, 2012
    Yes shrang you are right, i am very sorry about using superlative phrases because Ho-oh can check a lot of threats to rain teams and it can singlehandedly 6-0 sun teams. I know it shouldnt be written off but like i said i was generalizing a lot
  3. alphatron

    alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair!

    Oct 5, 2010
    I've run into a Calm mind Ho-oh running a moveset of weatherball, thunder, and fire blast before. It wasn't in an official ubers match though and I've never seriously thought about its uses.
  4. TheStarRapper


    Sep 15, 2011
    Seeing as one of Ho-oH's biggest counters is Zekrom, I would suggest Earth Power over weather ball. I'm not even sure what the Water type move in rain would be doing, or the Rock type in sand. I think even with a +1, Ho-Oh could still be relatively easily phased by Lugia, and could probably not Weather a choice scarf water spout from Kyogre. A CM set in general seems fairly prone to revenge killing...
  5. Jerp


    May 3, 2012
    Why not replace weatherball w/ Brave Bird? Granted the whole point of CM set is to use Special attacks and tank special hits, but now you won't be walled by the pink blobs.
  6. Complications


    Aug 20, 2011
    Well there could be a few reasons:
    1. Coverage. There are many dragons in Ubers, and many resist the combo of Fire-Electric
    2. Rain. Kyogre is still the most-played Ubers mon, and as such, a 100 base power attack that essentially receives stab in rain could be useful
    3. Even with Regenerator, Ho-Oh does not appreciate the recoil factor from hitting the "Pink blobs" with Brave Bird, especially if it was hurt by SR upon switching in. If anyone uses a CM Ho-Oh, it'd probably be best to just switch out against Chansey/Blissey.
    4. Outside of Chansey/Blissey, Brve Bird isn't dry useful without investment, whereas Weather Ball served as a more reliable coverage option than fire blast in any weather.

    Also, to all the people saying how it's too difficult to use Multiscale with Substitute and SR weakness, Dragonite says hi. The beauty of it is that Lugia gets Roost via tutor (unless it becomes illegal, in which case it gets Recover) which allows it to reuse Multiscale. I personally see Multiscale as equally viable to a stall-oriented Lugia as Pressure. Here could be a potential set:

    Lugia @ Leftovers
    252 HP/252 Def/6Sdef (Impish)
    Toxic/Thunder Wave
    Dragon Tail
    Substitute is obvious, shielding lugia from strong attacks and status. Personally I prefer Roost over Recover, as it gives Lugia less weaknesses than it started with. The choice for Toxic or Thunder Wave depends on the rest of your team. If you have a Pokemon who can reliably use Toxic or set up Toxic Spikes, Thunder Wace is useful as it can potentially let you roost to reactivity Multiscale before the opponent can attack or break your sub. As this is a stall-based Lugia, Dragon Tail makes an ideal phasing move, and dragon types don't appreciate it.

  7. barry4ever

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    Oct 20, 2009
    I have to ask, why are you even using CM Ho-Oh is beyond me ? Ho-Oh greatest advantage is that it has insanely powerful physical dual stabs with which to maul Ubers who are typically physically frail. Idk why you would waste a turn to set up CM to boost your SpA, when you can do that with a Sun Boosted SACRED FIRE itself. AlsoHo-Oh anyway tanks neutral (and even some supereffective !) special hits quite easily thanks to its amazing 154 SpD. Thats why Ho-Oh is so good as a CM Arceus check.

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