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Reshiram

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Fireburn, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. Fireburn

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    Reshiram

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    [Overview]

    <p>Reshiram is one of the most prominent threats
    in the Ubers metagame. A staggering base 150 Special Attack, complemented by a respectable base 120 Attack, allows Reshiram to tear gaping holes into many teams. Perhaps the main reason why Reshiram is such a dangerous foe is because of its excellent STAB combination. Fire- and Dragon-type attacks together are only resisted by Heatran, whose Flash Fire ability is negated by Turboblaze, meaning that no Pokemon in the entire game resists Reshiram's STAB combination. Backed with sunlight support and STAB, Reshiram's signature move, Blue Flare, will incinerate any foe that dares to switch into it, even standing a chance at 2HKOing Blissey, who has long been hailed as the best special wall in the game. This has forced many people to run Kyogre or Pokemon that pack a quadruple resistance to Fire-type attacks to stand a chance at beating it. However, Reshiram is not perfect. It is very slow with only a middling base 90 Speed stat, weak to Stealth Rock and hurt by Spikes and Toxic Spikes, and weak to Ground- and Dragon-type attacks, two common attacking types in the Ubers environment. Nevertheless, Reshiram is a formidable adversary that all teams need an answer to.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Blue Flare
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Flamethrower
    item: Choice Specs
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    nature: Timid

    [Set Comments]

    <p>After donning a pair of Choice Specs, Reshiram transforms into one of the most terrifyingly powerful special
    attackers in the game, boasting an enormous Special Attack stat of 591. Its signature move, Blue Flare, provided sun is up, nearly matches the power of Kyogre's Choice Specs-boosted, rain-fueled Water Spout, hitting like a nuke on pretty much any Pokemon in the game. Combined with Reshiram's unresisted STAB coverage, this beast will easily incinerate even the toughest of teams.</p>

    <p>Blue Flare is Reshiram's main attack on this set, and literally everything that is not named Kyogre or does not pack a quadruple resistance to Fire-type attacks will be at worst 2HKOed in the sunlight. Even the dominant special walls, Blissey and Eviolite Chansey, take 47%-55% and 38%-45%
    damage respectively, assuming 4 HP / 252 SpD with a Calm nature. That means that, with Stealth Rock and a layer of Spikes or Toxic Spikes up, both of them will be 2HKOed. Blue Flare is also strong enough to always OHKO a Careful Dialga with 252 EVs in HP and Special Defense. Draco Meteor is also an enormously powerful STAB attack that will blast anything that thinks they can come into Blue Flare to pieces, such as Palkia. Kyogre that run no EVs in HP or Special Defense also have a very high chance of being OHKOed by Draco Meteor after suffering Stealth Rock damage once. Ho-Oh is also always OHKOed after Stealth Rock damage, and even the most specially defensive of Tyranitar can be 2HKOed after taking Stealth Rock damage once. Dragon Pulse and Flamethrower are weaker but more accurate STAB attacks Reshiram can use if it cannot afford to miss. Reshiram is so overwhelmingly powerful that it can often get away with just these two attacks.</p>

    [Addtional Comments]

    <p>The only other move to really consider using on this set is Focus Blast, as Reshiram's movepool isn't exactly wide. Focus Blast enables Reshiram to always OHKO Tyranitar and get a strong hit on Rock Arceus. However, it leaves Reshiram vulnerable to being set up on by Ghost-types. Of greater concern is Wobbuffet, who can easily trap and KO Reshiram locked into Focus Blast.</p>

    <p>A Modest nature can be used on this set to grant Reshiram a significant amount of extra power. For example, Reshiram will always be able to 2HKO Blissey and Eviolite Chansey with Stealth Rock up. As Reshiram is one of the slower Pokemon in Ubers, the Speed EVs can be dumped into HP
    for extra bulk. However, Reshiram's vulnerability to entry hazards and weaknesses to the common Ground- and Dragon-type attacks in Ubers make this a lackluster option.</p>

    <p>Although there is no single safe switch-in to Choice Specs Reshiram, there are Pokemon that can come in on certain moves and force it out. Kyogre and Tyranitar can come in on anything but Draco
    Meteor, get rid of the sunlight Reshiram adores with their own weather-inducing abilities, and KO Reshiram with Surf or Stone Edge, respectively. Ho-Oh can switch in on anything but Draco Meteor and defeat Reshiram with Earthquake. Blissey can come in on anything but Blue Flare, and outstall it with Toxic and a recovery move. Groudon is a perfect teammate for Reshiram; not only does its high Attack and STAB Earthquake lend itself to countering Tyranitar and Blissey very well, it also brings forth the sunlight that Reshiram loves, making its Blue Flare even more deadly. Palkia and Grass Arceus are excellent Kyogre switch-ins and can easily beat down the blue whale with super effective Thunder or Judgment. Palkia can also lure in and destroy Blissey with a mixed set, while Grass Arceus can counter Tyranitar admirably. Ho-Oh is best dealt with by keeping up Stealth Rock alongside a sturdy Ghost-type such as Giratina-O or Ghost Arceus that can KO it easily. Forretress is also a very important teammate for Reshiram, as it can it set up entry hazards to help Reshiram nab some key KOs and can remove the opponent's entry hazards with Rapid Spin. This is a huge boon for Reshiram, as this set is often switched out, and it would rather not lose huge chunks of health each time it comes in to Stealth Rock and other entry hazards.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Flame Mix
    move 1: Flame Charge
    move 2: Blue Flare
    move 3: Draco Meteor
    move 4: Outrage
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    nature: Hasty

    [Set Comments]

    <p>After a Flame Charge, Reshiram will hit 459 Speed, which is fast enough to outspeed every Pokemon in the game that do not hold a Choice Scarf, except Ninjask and Deoxys-S. From there, Reshiram should be able to tear down the enemy's walls and sweep with the perfect coverage granted by its STAB moves
    . This is not difficult considering Reshiram's enormous mixed offenses and the fact that all of its STAB moves have 120 Base Power or higher.</p>

    <p>Blue Flare is once again Reshiram's main attack,
    which does enormous damage to anything that does not resist it in the sunlight. It can even 2HKO Blissey in the sunlight provided it has taken damage from Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. Draco Meteor will decimate most Pokemon that resist Blue Flare. It stands a very good shot at OHKOing Kyogre with no HP or Special Defense EVs, provided it has taken damage from Stealth Rock and a single Flame Charge, and it also obliterates any Dragon-type foolish enough to try and switch in. Outrage is there to allow Reshiram to muscle past special walls, always netting a 2HKO on Blissey, Kyogre, Ho-Oh, and Tyranitar.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>A Mild nature can be used instead of a Hasty nature to grant Reshiram more power, enough to 2HKO Blissey with Blue Flare in the sunlight with only Stealth Rock up. However, Reshiram will then fail to outspeed Deoxys-A and Pokemon with base 80 Speed that do not hold a Choice Scarf. It will also fail to Speed tie with positive-natured Pokemon with 252 Speed EVs and base 90 Speed that hold a Choice Scarf.</p>

    <p>Reshiram, in addition to enjoying all of the same teammates that are present in the previous set, will mainly be used as a wallbreaker to lure in and take out things such as Blissey, Kyogre, and Ho-Oh; therefore, Pokemon that benefit from them being removed will shine. Darkrai is a perfect choice. With high Speed and Dark Void, it can easily incapacitate a member of the foe's team, set up a Nasty Plot, and sweep with great ease once Blissey, Kyogre, and Ho-Oh are out of the picture. Special attacking Chlorophyll sweepers such as Venusaur and Shiftry also love having those pests out of the picture so they can rampage through the opponent's squad, and like Reshiram, they
    also enjoy sunlight.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Flame Special
    move 1: Flame Charge
    move 2: Blue Flare
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Draco Meteor / Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    nature: Modest / Timid

    [Set Comments]

    <p>Although it looks quite similar to the Flame Mix set at first glance, this set actually plays quite differently. While the
    previous set is mainly designed to smash holes in the foe's team, this set focuses on running all special attacks to maximize type coverage so it can better clean up late game with the Speed Boost granted by Flame Charge.</p>

    <p>Reshiram's main sweeping move will be Blue Flare, complemented nicely by Dragon Pulse, both of which hit everything in the game for neutral damage. Reshiram can often smash through special walls
    just by using Blue Flare, which will often 2HKO Blissey after prior damage from entry hazards. Draco Meteor is present to allow Reshiram to smash through obstacles that Dragon Pulse won't quite smite, such as Kyogre, weakened Ho-Oh, and Dialga in the rain. However, the Special Attack loss from using Draco Meteor will probably force Reshiram to abandon its sweep and switch out. Focus Blast is an acceptable alternative to always OHKO Tyranitar, who can otherwise take a Draco Meteor with ease, and also deals hefty damage to Rock Arceus. However, the loss of Draco Meteor means that Reshiram will have a very hard time fighting off Kyogre.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Either a Modest or Timid nature will work fine on this set. Modest is preferred for its additional power against Blissey and Chansey, but Timid grants Reshiram the ability to outspeed Deoxys-A and base 80 Speed Pokemon with a Choice Scarf such as Chandelure after a Flame Charge boost, and tie with positive-natured base 90 Speed Pokemon with a Choice Scarf.</p>

    <p>Reshiram, in addition to enjoying all of the same teammates that are present in the previous set, will have problems with Choice Scarf users that can switch in on a Flame Charge and outspeed it after the boost, such as Palkia, Garchomp, and Terrakion.
    Therefore, Wobbuffet is a perfect teammate for this set; it can easily trap Choice Scarf Palkia, Garchomp, and Terrakion thanks to Shadow Tag and KO them, clearing the way for Reshiram to sweep. Wobbuffet can also use Encore to help buy Reshiram a turn to safely come in and use Flame Charge. Scizor is also a brilliant teammate for Reshiram. Not only does it resist the Dragon-type attacks commonly thrown at Reshiram, it can use U-turn to bait in Pokemon that Reshiram can set up on, such as Heatran, Forretress, Skarmory, and Groudon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Blue Flare
    move 2: Draco Meteor
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Flamethrower / Outrage / Stone Edge
    item: Choice Scarf
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    nature: Timid / Hasty

    [Set Comments]

    <p>With a Choice Scarf attached, Reshiram can become a formidable revenge
    killer, allowing it to outrun every Pokemon commonly seen in Ubers except for Deoxys-S. Reshiram's insanely potent Blue Flare in the sunlight inflicts a ton of damage even when unboosted, serving as a nice clean up tool late game. For example, Blue Flare in the sunlight will usually OHKO Mewtwo.</p>

    <p>Draco Meteor is there to
    give Reshiram an insanely strong attack against Pokemon that resist Fire-type attacks, as well as anything that doesn't resist it in general. Draco Meteor can also be used to OHKO Darkrai just in case the weather is not suitable for using Blue Flare. Dragon Pulse is another Dragon-type STAB attack for situations when Reshiram cannot afford to miss, such as against another Dragon-type Pokemon it is attempting to revenge kill. Flamethrower is Fire-type STAB that is there for reliability as well. Outrage is also an option to hit Pokemon that have accumulated Special Defense boosts through Calm Mind, such as Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Giratina, and Mewtwo, and it also tears off a sizable chunk of Blissey's health. Stone Edge is also an option if your team really hates Ho-Oh, as it will always OHKO the rainbow phoenix. However, Stone Edge deals piddly damage to most other targets, and can leave Reshiram vulnerable to being set up on. A Hasty nature should be used when using Outrage or Stone Edge; otherwise, you will want a Timid nature so as to not lower Reshiram's defenses.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>As well as being stopped by (and, by extension, enjoying the same support as) the Choice Specs set, this Reshiram's lower amount of power mean
    s that it is more troubled by defensive Pokemon such as Lugia and Cresselia. Wobbuffet is also a problem for Choice Scarf Reshiram, as it can trap it with Shadow Tag, survive one of any of its moves, and KO it with Mirror Coat. However, all of these Pokemon have one thing in common: they hate Toxic. A defensive Groudon makes an excellent lure to Lugia, Cresselia, and Wobbuffet, as they will switch in expecting to come in relatively easily only to be crippled by Toxic. However, trying to use Toxic on Wobbuffet can be risky, as it can possibly turn Groudon into setup bait with Encore and Safeguard. Therefore, setting up Toxic Spikes (done handily by Forretress) before Wobbuffet switches in, or using a mixed attacker such as Dialga or Palkia to lure in and KO it, are more effective ways to deal with it. Darkrai can also turn Lugia, Cresselia, and Wobbuffet into setup bait with Dark Void.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Reshiram can use Reflect
    and/or Light Screen to bolster its defenses and support the team. However, Reshiram's vulnerability to entry hazards and weaknesses to common attacks in Ubers means that it may not find the time to set them up. Dragon Tail allows Reshiram to phaze and scout for its counters; however, Reshiram is usually just better off firing off a Draco Meteor or a Blue Flare to deal enormous damage to said counters. Reshiram is also not meant to function as a defensive Pokemon. Imprison can be used to disable commonly used Dragon-type attacks such as Draco Meteor and Outrage, but its actual usefulness is highly situational. Claw Sharpen can be used for Reshiram to amp up its good Attack stat, but Reshiram's physical movepool is terrible, and it is outclassed by Ho-Oh as a pure physical attacker due to better Attack and a superior movepool. AncientPower is a special attack Reshiram can use to badly hurt Ho-Oh, but otherwise it is fairly useless. Fusion Flare is slightly more powerful than Flamethrower and can thaw Reshiram out if it is frozen, but less PP and a worse secondary effect make it a less appealing option. Haban Berry causes Reshiram to lose a lot of power, but it allows it to take a hit from an enemy Dragon-type and them OHKO it back with its own Dragon-type attacks. Draco Plate of Flame Plate can be used to bluff a Choice item while powering up one of Reshiram's STABs, but the extra power of Life Orb or Choice Specs is generally preferred. Finally, Substitute is a good option for Reshiram, as it tends to force a ton of switches thanks to its power and excellent STAB combination.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Reshiram has no true counters and nothing can safely switch into its devastating STAB attacks. Only through carrying the right combination of resistances and with good prediction can Reshiram be safely circumvented.</p>

    <p>Rock Arceus does well against Reshiram. It can swap into Reshiram's STAB Blue
    Flare, Recover off the damage, and drop Reshiram with its powerful STAB Judgment. However, Rock Arceus cannot handle repeated Focus Blasts or Draco Meteors. Kyogre, upon switching in, will summon a turbulent downpour of rain with Drizzle, diminishing the power of Reshiram's STAB Blue Flare. A Surf in the rain from Kyogre will also vanquish Reshiram with ease. However, Kyogre hates taking Life Orb Outrage and can't stomach a Choice Specs Draco Meteor at all. A defensive Tyranitar is in a similar boat to Kyogre; however, unlike Kyogre, Reshiram can simply use Focus Blast to put down any hope Tyranitar has of stopping it. Ho-Oh and Blissey have the bulk to handle most hits from Reshiram, and can either KO it outright with Earthquake or cripple it with Thunder Wave. However, both of them hate Outrage, and struggle to absorb Choice Specs Blue Flare in the sunlight (the former also has to watch out for Choice Specs Draco Meteor). Choice Scarf users such as Palkia, Garchomp, and Terrakion can outspeed Reshiram after it has used Flame Charge. Reshiram is hurt by Spikes and Toxic Spikes and it is weak to Stealth Rock as well, so any entry hazard in general will make its life difficult.</p>
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    Reshiram's Turbo Blaze negates Flash Fire and hence Heatran's immunity to Fire-type attacks, so it cannot.
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    Maybe that should be Ninjask?
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    In my opinion you should mention that Blue Fire has 1 BP less than Kyogre's Water Spout after Stealth Rock. So with specs and the sun shining Reshiram can dish out almost as much damage as Kyogre's Water Spout with specs in the rain, and it won't decrease with the health, but that is traded for accuracy. It gives a great idea of the sheer power the set holds.
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    This is ready for G/P checks now. :)
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    I'm no GPer, but here are the edits I'd recommend.
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    what about Cross Flame :/ it's stronger than flamethrower so maybe that should be mentioned
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    Only 5 base power stronger, and the loss of 10 PP (16 with PP Max) is not worth it when you have Blue Fire for power already. It also loses on the nice 10% chance of a burn.

    Also, it's already mentionned in Optional Changes.
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    Should Will-o-Wisp get a mention somewhere?
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    Today I played a lot on ubers. Reshiram was definately my MVP, but mine? it had a white herb. It was the nitro special, and god, do I love it as a lead or a sweeper. draco meteor can take out Palkia and other Reshiram. mine can use draco meteor twice. With stealth rock and the need for a turn to set up a nitro charge, I find Life orb risky.
    Conclusion: Slash white herb on that set.
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    So Turboblaze negates any ability that would affect the damage your attacks do but it only works with regard to ability and not type? So if the opponent is immune or resists, that doesn't change with Turboblaze but if their ability would normally prevent them taking extra damage (like Multi Scale) it gets nullified?

    It seems pretty confusing but is that about right?
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    Reshiram only has one true counter, Choice Scarf Eccentric Ditto.
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    Seconding, but I want to see Life Orb Slashed in front of White Herb and Dragon Pulse added as a slash in front of Draco Meteor. :0 Resh can't really affort to lower the power of its Blue Fire if it isn't running White Herb, IMO.

    EDIT: I assume this is talking about the Nitro Mix set, is that right? :0 The White Herb thing could apply to both Nitro sets, but my suggestion regarding Dragon Pulse is intended for the Mix set, just so there's no confusion.
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    I believe that substitute has some value with the nitro sets as they are great for setting up and saves reshiram's small movepool. Substitute also can prepare it against some checks such as kyogre and hit back with outrage. It also blocks status from things like toxic and thunder wave.
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    Yeah, Sub would be good maybe for the all-special set. NC/Dracon Pulse/Blue Fire/Sub sounds like it has a lot of merit to it.
    Resh with Sub up also prevents this statement from being true (not that it was very true anyway, Resh has other counters).
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    Well the way I see it, 2 white herbed draco meteors are way stronger than 2 life orb dragon pulses. Both are viable; it's all preferences.
    That's why we have the slash!
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    Heh, my thinking is that 6 for 6, Dragon Pulse is gonna be the preferred option. >w>
    (...not that anyone's going to have 6 Pokemon without a single steel-type in there, but... you get the idea.)

    But as you, say, it's all viable and according to one's preference~
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    Chansey should be mention as a counter since she isn't 2HKO by anything other than Life Orb Outrage.

    Water Arceus is faster than Reshiram and can Calm Mind ahead of it or Recover off before Reshiram can kill Water Arceus. Water Arceus can use Earthquake or Spacial Rend to KO Reshiram.
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    Updated with English names and format changes.
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    Minor nitpick but this seems a bit wordy. Maybe reword it to something like:

    Thanks to Turbo Blaze, no Pokemon in the entire game resists Reshiram's STAB Fire- and Dragon-type attacks.
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    On the Choice Specs set, Choice Specs boosts Reshiram's Special Attack to 598, not 591.

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    This needs to be changed to Flame Charge :)

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