I am saying I want a claim out of him, which I contest is not an anti-town move, but you refuse to concede that, but I can't force him. How does that not make sense? It's like saying I'm important but I'm not going to tell you why. Would you trust someone who said that? And where did I say town is scummy? I said my opinion differs from that of the majority others in the thread, that's all, and an unproven opinion at that. If that is scummy then we might as well lynch you for starters. And is it not the point of the game to try and show people what you think and work with what everyone thinks to find mafia? I made them up as a guess, I admitted that when I typed it just before it by saying it was a rough estimate; you assume them as fact, despite I said right before that they were a guess. Why take a guess as absolutely true?