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OU Reuniclus

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by Magnemite, Dec 21, 2013.

  1. Magnemite

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    Overview
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    Unfortunately for Reuniclus, the metagame is very unkind to it. Pokemon such as Aegislash, Bisharp, Mandibuzz, Tyranitar, and Unaware Clefable are everywhere and stop it from being nearly as effective as it once was. However, Reuniclus still has its uses; with Trick Room, it can function as a unique and fearsome special attacker that can turn the high Speed of frail offensive teams against them. Its great Special Attack stat and decent coverage also make it quite difficult to switch into. However, being checked or countered by a slew of common Pokemon is never a good thing, especially for a Pokemon that is as monumentally slow as Reuniclus. Overall, while Reuniclus is not the greatest Pokemon, it can still be incredibly dangerous against certain teams.

    Trick Room
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    name: Trick Room
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Psychic / Psyshock
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Shadow Ball
    ability: Magic Guard
    item: Life Orb / Leftovers
    evs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SpA
    ivs: 0 Spe
    nature: Quiet

    Moves
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    Trick Room turns Reuniclus's non-existent Speed into an advantage, allowing it to move before almost every other Pokemon in the game. Psychic is Reuniclus's main STAB option; it is usually preferred over Psyshock because it harder, especially physically defensive Pokemon such as Hippowdon and Gliscor. However, Psyshock still can be used as it helps Reuniclus beat special walls such as Chansey. Focus Blast gets good coverage with Reuniclus's STAB move and is its strongest secondary attacking move. Shadow Ball is primarily for hitting other Psychic-types and Aegislash, for super effective damage, which would otherwise resist all of Reuniclus's moves. However, Hidden Power Fire is an option that can be used over Shadow Ball to OHKO Scizor, which is especially useful as Reuniclus outspeeds it if Trick Room is up and takes heavy damage from its STAB U-turn or Knock Off otherwise. It also maintains coverage on Aegislash, though it is weaker than Shadow Ball.

    Set Details
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    The given EVs maximize Reuniclus's bulk and Special Attack, as this set aims to hit as hard as possible. 0 Speed IVs make Reuniclus as fast as possible under Trick Room. Life Orb is the preferred item on this set as the 30% power boost it gives Reuniclus is much more useful than the passive healing of Leftovers. Reuniclus makes a good user of Life Orb as it takes no recoil thanks to Magic Guard.

    Usage Tips
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    This set should generally be used mid-game to punch holes in the opponent's team. This set is good against offensive teams because it turns their Speed against them and forces them to take Reuniclus's powerful special attacks. Reuniclus is already hard to switch into, so it becomes even more difficult to deal with when it nearly always moves first.

    Before using Trick Room, be sure Reuniclus will be able to survive for most of its duration if you do not have other slow Pokemon to take advantage of it. Do not use Trick Room at times when the rest of your team would be at a disadvantage in it, as giving your opponent the ability to outspeed most of your team can often result in a loss.

    Reuniclus can be used as an emergency check to powerful physical attackers such as Conkeldurr or Excadrill, but this often leaves it heavily damaged and using it in this way can prevent it from being effective later in the game.

    Team Options
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    While entire teams based around Trick Room are a bit gimmicky, other slow, powerful Pokemon can take advantage of any Trick Room turns that might remain after Reuniclus has been knocked out. Conkeldurr in particular is a great partner as easily deals with Tyranitar and Bisharp and has the coverage to beat some of Reuniclus's other checks under Trick Room, such as Aegislash. While this set is not all that reliant on having its counters removed to be effective, Pokemon that beat its counters are still appreciated. Bisharp and Heatran are good answers to Aegislash, and Heatran also deals with Scizor. Landorus-T is a good partner as it can check Aegislash and Tyranitar, two Pokemon that can greatly trouble Reuniclus.

    Other Options
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    Reuniclus has a few other options, but most of them are outclassed by other—usually faster—Pokemon. Reuniclus can still run a Calm Mind set, but it has huge trouble sweeping offensive teams thanks to the prevalence of Aegislash, Bisharp, and Unaware Clefable. Thunder can be used to get past Mandibuzz, but it has little use otherwise. A three attacks + Recover set can be used, but Reuniclus would sorely miss Trick Room. A set with Trick + Flame Orb can be used, as Magic Guard stops burn damage, to protect Reuniclus from sleep and potentially cripple switch-ins such as Scizor, Aegislash, and Tyranitar. In return, Reuniclus could receive an item such as a Choice Band that could be used to cripple another Pokemon. However, this is fairly prediction-reliant, and Reuniclus would rather use the moveslot and item slot on more useful and consistent options.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Aegislash**: Aegislash is one of the most common Pokemon in the metagame. It resists Psychic and Psyshock and is immune to Focus Blast. It hits Reuniclus very hard with its STAB Shadow Ball and it can set up Substitutes on it. It must watch out for Reuniclus's own Shadow Ball, although it has enough bulk in Shield Forme to shrug it off if need be.

    **Dark-types**: Dark-types tend to make great checks to Reuniclus. Bisharp can't switch into a Focus Blast, but it can OHKO Reuniclus with either Sucker Punch or Knock Off. Tyranitar can trap Reuniclus with its powerful STAB Pursuit, but it is outsped and OHKOed by Focus Blast under Trick Room. Mandibuzz is only hit neutrally by Focus Blast and can stall out Reuniclus with Roost. Sableye is immune to Reuniclus's main attacking options and can hit it decently hard with Foul Play. It can also prevent Reuniclus from setting up Trick Room with its Prankster Taunt.

    **Scizor**: Scizor greatly threatens Reuniclus with its powerful STAB U-turn. However, if Trick Room is up, it is outsped and OHKOed by Reuniclus if the latter has Hidden Power Fire.

    **Special Walls**: Specially bulky Pokemon can work as situational checks to Reuniclus. Chansey in particular handles Reuniclus quite nicely, but if Reuniclus is running Psyshock, it can threaten Chansey. Similarly, Deoxys-D can wall Reuniclus with ease if it lacks Shadow Ball and set hazards up on it.

    **Volcarona**: Volcarona can hit Reuniclus hard with its STAB Bug Buzz and threaten to set up on it. However, it does not take Psyshock very well.

    **Trick**: Reuniclus is crippled if it gets Tricked a Choice item from the likes of Choice Scarf Rotom-W, especially since its main attacking moves have common immunities and it is far too slow to benefit from having a Choice Scarf.
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    Mention on the CM set that Psyshock helps in the event of a CM war against opposing CM Reuniclus/Latias/Suicune/etc.

    Remove dual screens from OO, there's no way that's going to fly with Reuni.

    Mention Trick in the C&C section, since that shuts Reuni down hard. Encore/Perish Song are fine to suggest as well, since they can shut down the CM set. Jirachi does work as well with paraflinch and doesn't take much damage. Quiver Dance Volcarona against Psyshock-less Reuni. Sableye walls it pretty easily and can Taunt + Foul Play it to death.

    QC 1/3
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    The dual screens mention was mainly just filler because Reuniclus doesn't really have any other options. Other than possibly Flame Orb + Trick, can anyone think of any other options at all for Reuniclus? I don't really like Flame Orb + Trick at all since a majority of the time you'll just be crippling yourself by getting a scarf from Genesect or something. I guess I don't really need any more other options, but that section looks a bit barren at the moment.
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    Trick + Flame Orb is good. Burning Genesect/Scizor or trading a Flame Orb on a defensive Pokemon is great. Even if you Trick a Choice Scarf or Band, you can Trick it back onto something else.
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    You should also mention that Psychic is more useful for damaging physically defensive walls, such as Gliscor, Hippowdon, etc.
    Reuniclus should attempt to sweep whenever it has the opportunity to do so (which can happen at any time), it's not just limited to lategame.

    Furthermore, you should mention that Reuniclus is a top notch check to physical attackers (such as Conkeldurr, Excadrill). Unfortunately, you give up the ability to sweep when you decide to check certain physical attackers (non LO SD Excadrill). That decision is up to the player. Either it sweeps at a later point, or it tanks a powerful hit to KO a physical attacker.
    Don't forget about Taunt!

    QC 2/3
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    Be sure to detail the first set's selling points over Calm Mind Magic Guard Clefable, who is Reuniclus' main competitor, since it has a better defensive typing and movepool.

    One would be that Reuniclus counters Mega Venusaur, who can potentially annoy teams that are not prepared for it. It also hits quite harder off the bat, especially if it uses Life Orb (why isn't that slashed with Lefties? grrrrr).
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    It also has higher stats than Clefable overall. I should mention competition from Clefable, I just don't know where.

    I didn't slash LO because it becomes much easier to wear down without lefties and it usually gets a few boosts before it tries to sweep anyway, so the initial lack of power isn't a major concern. Also, the preview didn't slash Life Orb after some discussion, so I didn't slash it because I figured that there haven't been any new reasons to use Life Orb since the preview was written.

    Other than that, this has been written up and is about ready for the final QC check.
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    You might want to be careful with this point, because Scizor hits Reuniclus even harder with U-Turn.
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    Yeah, I don't really know why I even brought that up. I wasn't really thinking, haha. Reuniclus does have STAB Psyshock over Clefable though, so it can win CM wars much more easily. There aren't too many other benefits over Clefable, however the stat advantages are pretty big, especially when it comes to bulk.
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    In gen 6 the strength of hidden power is constant, so the IVs can stay 0, since the type is still fire then
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    Doesn't 31/31/31/31/31/0 give HP Ice? I remember Ditto using that IV spread to get HP Ice for stuff like Landorus-I. I didn't know what the lowest Speed IV that gave HP Fire was, so I checked the Gen V Reuniclus analysis and it said that it was 2. I'm not really sure, though. Do you have a source?
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    31/31/31/31/31/2 also gives hp ice you need another spread for fire. The reason why an IV of 2 was used in gen 5 was, that hp fire had 64 BP when used with 0 IVs while having 70 when used with 2 IVs. Now since gen 6 hidden powers have a constant bp of 60 (source: the game) and thus there's no need for having an IV of 2. An example spread for fire is 31/30/31/30/31/0.

    A simple thing to remember: The type of a hidden power is only determined by which IVs are even or odd (source: http://www.serebii.net/games/hidden-power.shtml)
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    Oh, I didn't take into account the non-Speed IVs because I didn't realize that it was a Speed IV of 2 AND 30s in a couple of the other stats that gave HP Fire. I thought it was 31/31/31/31/31/2. My bad. Thanks for pointing it out.
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    Imo you need to say that Reuniclus pairs nicely with Magnezone/Magneton, who can take care of Jirachi, Scizor, Genesect. (And finish a weakened Aegislash.)

    Anyway, good job.
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    Thanks! I had Magnezone as a partner originally, but I changed it for some reason. Aegislash is immune to Magnet Pull because it's a Ghost-type, but I'll add Magnezone in because it can beat those three.
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    It also takes care of Skarm, who can Whirlwind the minder if Focus Blast misses (How unexpected.), but you can choose not to mention it, as Skarm isn't really a threat to Reuniclus outside of Phaze.
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    Mention somewhere in the counters section that Unaware Clefable stops the CM set pretty reliably, if it also has CM then you're losing.

    Mention in the overview that Reuniclus is one of the best counters to Mega Venusaur, a major proponent in many stall teams -- this is one of its main selling points.

    Be a little specific about some of the walls it can set up on as well, things like Chansey, Gliscor, defensive Heatran, Zapdos, Mega Venusaur is a big one, etc. There are lots of these Pokemon found commonly in stall that Reuni can set up on.
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    Implemented. (Seriously, how did I not make a usage tip about how well CM Reuni beats stall?)
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    I would tone down a bit its ability to beat stall teams, as CM Unaware Clefable is a staple on those teams and one of the best counters to CM Reuniclus.
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    Okay. Also, this isn't quite ready for GP yet. I still have to look the whole thing over one more time

    EDIT: Now it's ready.
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    Amateur Check here

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    Nicely written analysis! Not much to fix here.

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    Mention Deoxys-D as a counter to the Calm Mind set, as without Shadow Ball, Reuniclus has no hope of breaking through him.
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    Done. GamingShawn, if you could implement this into your check, that would be great. (I only edited the "Special Walls" section of checks & counters)
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    Not a problem. Glad to help!

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