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Gen 3 Revamp Attempt

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Umby, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. Umby

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    So I pulled one of my old RMTs and tried to fix it. Focused around Subpunch Hera, but I'm thinking I need to use another set:

    Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 248 HP / 176 Atk / 76 Def / 8 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Iron Tail
    - Rock Slide

    Letting Weezing take care of stat boosts so I can use Iron Tail for once. Probably need to use HP Rock.

    Heracross (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 144 HP / 116 Atk / 164 Spd / 84 SDef
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Focus Punch
    - Megahorn
    - Rock Slide
    - Substitute

    HP and SDef to to get Hera in on Swampert Surf/Ice Beam easier. Less damage from Zapdos isn't a bad deal either. Give suggestions on EV fixes.

    Houndoom (F) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Early Bird
    EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Crunch
    - Fire Blast
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Will-O-Wisp

    I usually use Lum Berry on Houndoom when dealing with Gengars, though without Pursuit, it might be a wasted effort. Perhaps I can trade Crunch for Pursuit? I'd rather not rid myself of the last two slots.

    Weezing (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 200 HP / 36 Atk / 252 Def / 20 Spd
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Fire Blast
    - Haze
    - Pain Split
    - Sludge Bomb

    One reason I didn't want to get rid of WoW on Houndoom. Fire Blast ruins Rest Skarm.

    Suicune @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Reflect
    - Rest
    - Surf

    Steelix + Weezing + Reflect Suicune make for an excellent way to bolster the team's defense. I'd rather have Roar, to be honest, but I definitely need a solid counter to Salamence.

    Hypno (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Insomnia
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Hypnosis
    - Light Screen
    - Psychic
    - Wish

    This is more or less filler. I needed a way to tank off special hits and I also needed Wish support. Blissey was too boring to fill this role, so I used Hypno instead. Thunder Wave over Hypnosis to help Hera set up?
  2. shrapn3l

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    Hi umby. Cool stuff overall, but I would run Jirachi over Hypno, because Hypno is kinda gimmicky, (unless that's what you were going for) and Jirachi does the same thing but better. Overall I'd say you're a bit walled by Skarmbliss. Focus punches will hurt Skarm a bit, but if you're facing bellrest on Bliss and Skarm respectively you won't be getting past him, and spikes could wear Hera and Houndoom down. So I would suggest cbcross with a spinner (Starmie or Claydol would allow for roar on Suicune) or Maggy or even Blaziken over Hera with something not-fire over Houndoom. With Jirachi you wouldn't need Doom for Gar anyway.
  3. Heysup

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    Well overall, this team doesnt look like it can really kill anything, other than celebi and gengar, but thats always good.

    If you really want my opinion, I would change Steelix into Magneton to get rid of skarm. And make heracross a Badass SD swarm salac version. And, even though this could be boring, Celebi with leech seed can work for healing support as well.
  4. shrapn3l

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    Since Steelix's explosion is the only thing standing in the way between Tauntrados and an easy sweep, I wouldn't recommend getting rid of Steelix! I realize you're a fan of the whole "risk/reward" concept but removing Steelix creates too great a risk for the reward of possibly sweeping with mopcross, considering Gyarados can potentially stop mopcross with Intimidate and decent defense and HP stats, and he'll have nothing to battle back a sweep from Gyarados in return.
  5. ABC-Trainer

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    Steelix is boring.
  6. Donny

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    Steelix can be a real asset imo.

    Umby, defensively your team is very well thought out. It's going to put lots of major threats to a stall. However, you may have some difficulty hanging in there without taking care of spikes, being worn down by sandstorm, etc. In short, I believe you need more offense and more team synergy.

    Steelix is a tremendous defensive asset to a team. When your done with defense though, Explosion on Steelix is a great idea. It will lure in bulky waters, and subsequently take them out. You should take advantage of this with someone else on your team for some synergy. I love roar on this guy for bp celebi, bp zapdos, bp ninjask, bp jolteon, ect. Your call though.

    The Hera set is ok, but its gonna be put in its place by skarm, mence, and gyarados easily though. Jolly with non-max attack wont damage the way other sets will. You might go with Mop Cross like heysup said for more explosiveness.

    I love houndoom to death, but he needs pursuit or he's outclassed by Moltres, Entei, Charizard, Blaziken, etc. Besides, you need to support him by taking out a special wall or passing him calm minds. Replace him with magneton for more team synergy and somewhat of spikes support.

    With bulky waters and skarm out of the way, DD Salamence or Gyarados would shine in Weezing's spot. They still have great fung shway with Steelix and your wisher.

    Suicune is a beast. Very sturdy set.

    Props for not using Wish Blissey. shrapn3l had a nice idea in Jirachi. My favorite pokemon is Umbreon. Your name implies something similar. Just saying...


    It's a nice team. Let me know what you think.
  7. Veteran In Love

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    not being harsh, but this team's strategy is extremely vague and I have no idea what to recommend.

    Elaborate?
  8. Umby

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    Originally it was just supposed to allow coverage for Subpunch Heracross. Even when trying to set up I have a tendancy to deviate from actually setting something up and focus on type coverage instead.
  9. Veteran In Love

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    well in that case,

    the first thing i noticed right away was your team's lack of viable switchins to actual Spikers such as Skarmory/Forretress/Cloyster. It's not really worth having ultra great defenses if your enemy can still wear you down with Spikes. They come in on Steelix (which I assume comes in a lot), put down a layer, and there's not too much you can do about it other than exploding Steelix on the spot =p

    So without doing a total overhaul, I'd suggest replacing Steelix with Snorlax. Tack Fire Blast on it to ohko/2hko the Steel Spikers, and your entire team will be able to severely hinder Spikers. Defensively the way I see it, Haze Weezing/ Reflect Suicune don't really call for a normal resistance.

    Houndoom/Weezing/Snorlax Fire attacks and Suicune's Surf will damage Spikers, Forretress/Skarmory hate taking repeated Focus Punches from Hera, and Hypno's Hypnosis will help out if you haven't used it yet.

    2nd, i don't see the point in putting WoW to bait Flyers on houndoom on this team if you already are packing hp ice for Salamence. Better just to replace one or the other with Pursuit, although my preference is to choose WoW and remove hp ice so you can weaken both Gyarados and Salamence to help Hera set up.

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