Rhydon


[OVERVIEW]

Rhydon is one of NU's most potent physical attackers thanks to its monstrous Attack stat complemented by excellent dual STAB types, making Rhydon difficult to switch into. In addition, Rhydon has great overall bulk due to its high HP stat and good defenses when holding Eviolite, as well as access to both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, allowing it to sweep through fast offensive teams or break through some of the bulkiest Pokemon with ease. Though Rhydon does come with substantial strengths, it has some notable weaknesses that hold it back. Low initial Speed means that some defensive Pokemon are able to outspeed Rhydon even when it is fully invested in Speed. While Ground / Rock is great offensively, it comes with some crippling weaknesses, including a 4x weakness to Water- and Grass-type attacks, as well as a weakness to common Fighting-type attacks. Rhydon is also prone to being worn down by repeated attacks, status ailments, and entry hazards due to its lack of passive recovery.

[SET]
name: Dancing Dino
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Swords Dance / Megahorn
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Rock Polish boosts Rhydon's Speed, allowing it to outspeed many unboosted offensive Pokemon. Earthquake and Stone Edge together have great coverage, hitting a good majority of Pokemon for at least neutral damage. Swords Dance boosts Rhydon's Attack to frightening levels, making it very difficult for opposing Pokemon to safely switch into. Megahorn is an alternative move that rounds out Rhydon's coverage by hitting Pokemon that resist both Earthquake and Stone Edge, such as Torterra and Claydol, as well as nailing Ludicolo, Lilligant, Musharna, Mesprit, and Malamar. Rock Slide is another option over Stone Edge if the accuracy proves to be an issue, but the damage output is significantly lower. Stealth Rock can also be used to have Rhydon act as both a team supporter and a late-game cleaner.

Set Details
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Maximum Attack EVs plus an Adamant nature allow Rhydon to hit as hard as possible, while maximum Speed EVs ensure it outspeeds base 110 Speed Pokemon and below after a Rock Polish. A Jolly nature is an alternative to outspeed defensive Lanturn, uninvested Malamar, and Jolly Carracosta before a boost, as well as Zebstrika, Floatzel, and Modest Choice Scarf Mesprit after a Rock Polish. Eviolite increases Rhydon's bulk significantly, giving it many opportunities to set up throughout the match.

Usage Tips
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Try to set up on Pokemon that cannot do much in return, such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Pyroar locked into Fire Blast or Hyper Voice, or on forced switches. Do not bring in Rhydon recklessly, as it needs to stay healthy to be able to set up without being KOed. In addition, watch out for Pokemon that try to lure in Rhydon, such as Archeops running Hidden Power Grass or Aqua Tail. Rhydon can be used as a mid-game wallbreaker by setting up Swords Dance, tearing apart slower teams. Once Rhydon's checks have been weakened, set up Rock Polish to clean late-game.

Team Options
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Mesprit is a good partner, as it covers Rhydon's Fighting and Ground weaknesses, provides Stealth Rock support, and can give Rhydon a second shot at sweeping the opposing team with Healing Wish. Garbodor pairs well with Rhydon due to its Fighting-type resistance and provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, weakening Pokemon so Rhydon is able to clean late-game with more ease. Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Gourgeist-XL, and Tangela give this set issues, as all of them are able to take a hit and OHKO with their respective Grass-type STAB moves, so Flying-types such as Scyther and Archeops all pair well with Rhydon. Similarly, Ice-types, most notably Freeze-Dry users such as Vanilluxe and Articuno, are good teammates, as they appreciate Rhydon's ability to threaten Fire-types while in return they threaten Grass- and Water-types that are able to put Rhydon's sweep to a halt. Cacturne is a good partner thanks to its resistance to Grass and immunity to Water, Spikes support, and ability to break down many Pokemon, paving the way for Rhydon to sweep late-game. Swords Dance Samurott does a great job wallbreaking early- and mid-game and provides a secondary check to Fire-types, as despite Rhydon's resistance, it is still threatened by Fire-types due to most of them carrying Hidden Power Grass.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Rock Blast / Stone Edge
move 4: Megahorn / Swords Dance
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Rhydon is a great user of Stealth Rock thanks to its good bulk and favorable matchup against Xatu. Earthquake is Rhydon's most reliable STAB move and hits a good majority of Pokemon hard even with minimal Attack investment. Rock Blast is more accurate than Stone Edge, making it more reliable against Pokemon such as Scyther and Xatu. It also breaks Sturdy and Focus Sash, which gives Rhydon a better matchup against lead Archeops and Crustle. If the inconsistent Base Power proves to be an issue, however, Stone Edge can be used instead. Megahorn hits Pokemon that resist Ground / Rock coverage such as Torterra and Claydol while also hitting Mesprit, Musharna, and Malamar. Swords Dance is another option to allow Rhydon to break through bulkier Pokemon such as Musharna, Mega Audino, and Miltank. Roar is also useful to phaze setup sweepers as well as Water- and Grass-type switch-ins, allowing Rhydon to wear them down with repeated entry hazard damage.

Set Details
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Maximum HP EVs increase Rhydon's overall bulk, while 240 EVs go into Special Defense, allowing Rhydon to take Fire-type attacks much more comfortably; investing in Special Defense is generally the better option, as Rhydon's Defense is already high enough when boosted with Eviolite. The remaining EVs plus an Adamant nature allow Rhydon to hit a jump point in Attack, giving its attacks a little more power. Eviolite boosts Rhydon's bulk substantially, allowing it to switch into many Pokemon throughout the match.

Usage Tips
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This set plays as a bulky tank; it should be switching in against Pokemon that cannot do much back, such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Archeops, and setting up Stealth Rock to support its teammates. Once Stealth Rock is up, use Rhydon's typing to switch in on many Pokemon and weaken the opposing team, as even without heavy Attack investment, Rhydon's attacks still deal great amounts of damage. If the opponent has a Pokemon that resists the combination of Ground / Rock, predict their switch in by using Megahorn. Swords Dance is best used to break down bulkier Pokemon mid-game, allowing a teammate to clean late-game with ease. Before switching Rhydon in against the Pokemon it checks, try to scout for moves such as Hidden Power Grass from Pyroar and Aqua Tail from Archeops and Kangaskhan.

Team Options
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Bulky Grass- and Water-types switch into this set with ease, so teammates such as Vileplume and Roselia pair well with Rhydon, with both covering these Pokemon in addition to Rhydon's Fighting-type weakness while Rhydon threatens Fire-types that give Vileplume and Roselia issues. Roselia in particular switches into Lilligant and Ludicolo with ease. Cacturne and Lilligant are good teammates for Rhydon for their ability to switch into Scald and threaten bulky Water-types such as Prinplup and Lanturn. Garbodor can switch into Fighting-types while also wearing them down with Rocky Helmet damage, as well as providing Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, which pairs well with the number of switches Rhydon forces. Though Rhydon does check Fire-types, it still fears the coverage moves they carry, so Lanturn in particular is recommended, as it is able to heal any status inflicted with Heal Bell and bring in Rhydon safely with Volt Switch. Poliwrath is a good partner, as Water Absorb allows it to gain back HP from Water-type moves aimed at Rhydon. Poliwrath is also a good switch-in to Knock Off, which Rhydon does not appreciate losing its Eviolite to, despite taking the move very well otherwise.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Dragon Tail is an option over Roar to phaze setup sweepers while dealing damage, but it is generally less reliable because it cannot phaze Substitute users and has a chance to miss. Choice Band is an option to make Rhydon's attacks hit very hard, but the loss of Eviolite makes Rhydon significantly less bulky, and Rhydon is outclassed by Golem in this role. Rock Head or Reckless Double-Edge may sound appealing at first, but it doesn't provide any coverage that Megahorn already doesn't provide. Rest plus Sleep Talk is Rhydon's only form of recovery, but generally this wastes a lot of Rhydon's potential and tends to be unreliable.

Checks and Counters
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**Grass-types**: Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Tangela, Vileplume, and Gourgeist-XL are Rhydon's bane, as all of them can take even boosted attacks from Rhydon and OHKO it with their respective Grass-type STAB moves. The former two do not appreciate taking a Megahorn, however. More offensive Grass-types such as Lilligant, Shiftry, and Cacturne cannot safely switch in, but they force Rhydon out with their Grass STAB moves. Shiftry is also able to clear the field of Stealth Rock with Defog.

**Water-types**: Prinplup and Poliwrath switch into Rhydon with relative ease and deal heavy damage with Scald, though neither appreciates taking a boosted Earthquake. Samurott and Kabutops can put Rhydon's sweeps to a halt, as both have access to priority in Aqua Jet. Quagsire is another great answer to Rhydon, as it ignores any stat increases due to Unaware and retaliates with Scald.

**Pokemon with Super Effective Coverage**: Many Pokemon that Rhydon otherwise reliably checks are able to lure it in and hit it with a coverage move. Pyroar, Magmortar, and Archeops in particular all commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to deal heavy damage to Rhydon. Archeops and Kangaskhan, both of which Rhydon otherwise easily switches into, can also carry Aqua Tail to 2HKO Rhydon.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Even when its Speed is boosted with Rock Polish, Rhydon is still outsped by many Choice Scarf users that can revenge kill it, such as Lilligant, Jynx, and Mesprit. Naturally fast Pokemon such as Floatzel and Zebstrika are able to outspeed Adamant Rhydon after a Rock Polish and revenge kill it with their STAB or coverage moves. However, none of these Pokemon are capable of switching into Rhydon safely.

**Residual Damage**: Rhydon tends to be worn down by poison, burn, and repeated switches into Spikes, as it has no form of recovery. Burns in particular greatly hinder Rhydon, as they cut its Attack, making it much easier to switch in to.
 
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Ik this is still WIP but I think SD should still be the first slash on Rock Polish. The coverage of Megahorn is great but I've always found Double Dance to be so much easier to fit on teams because it has much more utility against non-Quag bulky cores and is still useful against offense. Double Dance is just a lot more splashable from my experiences while Rock Polish + 3 Attacks is more team specific.
 

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[Overview]
This looks good, just specify that Water and Grass type Pokemon are pretty common in the tier. I'd also add something about how Water and Grass coverage moves are really common, something along the lines of this sentence from the Lanturn analysis: "While Lanturn has few weaknesses, most of the Pokemon it checks do carry coverage moves for it, particularly Earthquake from the likes of Magmortar, Electivire, and Archeops"

[Dancing Dino]

[Moves]
Add Lilligant and Ludicolo as targets of Megahorn; while they are KO'd by Stone Edge after some prior damage securing the KO on them without it is pretty useful. This is more of a GP Thing but "x can be used in the last slot" generally isnt a good phrasing, its best to say what move you'd use that move over. If you can, do a few calcs to see what OHKOs or 2HKOs Rock Slide would miss out on over Megahorn.

[Set Details]
Jolly also outspeeds neutral natured Scarf Mesprit and Zebstrika (big one here so you dont just die to HP Grass after rocks) after a boost, as well as most defensive Lanturn, uninvested Malamar, and Jolly Carracosta unboosted. Personally I feel that Jolly should be slashed first as outspeeding those Pokemon is pretty important, but I'd like some other QC thought on that. Note that one of the merits of Adamant is having a good chance to OHKO defensive Vileplume after Stealth Rock or some prior damage.

[Usage Tips]
Try and be a bit more clear as to what Pokemon or situations it can set up on, such as when you force out some of the Pokemon it checks or on some weaker defensive Pokemon such as Regirock lacking Toxic (this is kinda the only defensive mon it sets up on unless I'm missing something but its still a good example). I dont think that Specs Pyroar is very good in this meta as Will-O-Wisp is super useful to help with Mawile / Cacturne / Pawniard so replace that with some other Choice users such as Scyther and Rotom-S.

[Tank]

In the previous thread, it was mentioned to maybe consider changing the EV spread - here's the quote:
Is the tank spread still the most efficient? Fires all beat Rhydon now and idk if rotom and specs swellow are important enough. QC thoughts?
I don't really have much of an opinion on this, but I find that even thought its not as super important investing in Special Defense is still the best spread imo since it's Defense is already skyhigh.

[Moves]
I don't like the Swords Dance slash. I'm not completely opposed to it, but I feel the Stealth Rock + SD variant is more suited to the offensive set, which already has a mention in moves of Dancing Dino.

[Team Options]
I dont think noting that Roselia provides Spikes support is very useful here, since its not really playing so much of an offensive role.

[C&C]
In residual damage, specify Spikes and Toxic Spikes because Stealth Rock doesnt bother Rhydon as it resists it.
 

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I dont think that Specs Pyroar is very good in this meta as Will-O-Wisp is super useful to help with Mawile / Cacturne / Pawniard so replace that with some other Choice users such as Scyther and Rotom-S.
Just want to point out that Specs Pyroar is still good enough to warrant a mention, and is likely more competent than Rotom-S at wielding a Choice item at least (fuking angler fish :////)
 

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Just want to point out that Specs Pyroar is still good enough to warrant a mention, and is likely more competent than Rotom-S at wielding a Choice item at least (fuking angler fish :////)
Fair enough, I stated why I don't think its good but I can agree that it deserves a mention there. However, Rhydon has a much easier time setting up versus the other two Choice users I listed as specs Fire Blast does nearly 50% D:
 

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[OVERVIEW]
  • Sky high Attack complemented by an excellent dual STAB makes it hard to switch into
  • Great overall bulk furthered by the use of Eviolite
  • Solid check to Normal-, Flying-, and Fire-types including Kangaskhan, Tauros, Archeops, Fletchinder, and Pyroar
  • Rock Polish makes up for its lacking Speed, allowing it to plow through offensive teams
  • Slow initial speed means that some defensive Pokemon outspeed even when fully invested
  • While Ground / Rock is great offensively, it comes with some crippling weaknesses, including a 4x weakness to both Water- and Grass-type attacks add here how water and grass types are common
  • Prone to being worn down by chip damage from repeated attacks, status, and hazards due its lack of recovery
[SET]
name: Dancing Dino
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Swords Dance / Megahorn
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Rock Polish boosts Rhydon's Speed, allowing it to outspeed many unboosted offensive Pokemon
  • Earthquake and Stone Edge together have great coverage, hitting a good majority of Pokemon
  • Swords Dance boosts Rhydon's Attack to frightening levels, making it very difficult for opposing Pokemon to safely switch in
  • Megahorn is an alternative move that rounds out Rhydon's coverage by hitting Pokemon that resist Earthquake and Stone Edge such as Torterra and Claydol, as well as nailing Ludicolo, Lilligant, Musharna, Uxie, Mesprit, and Malamar
  • Rock Slide is another option over Stone Edge if the accuracy proves to be an issue, but the damage output is significantly lower
  • Stealth Rock can also be run in the last slot to have Rhydon act as team supporter early-game and act as late-game cleaner
Set Details
========
  • Maximum Attack EVs allow Rhydon to hit as hard as possible
  • Maximum Speed EVs plus an Adamant nature ensure it outspeeds base 110 Speed Pokemon and below
  • Jolly nature is an alterntaive to outspeed defensive Lanturn, 0 Speed Malamar, and Jolly Carracosta before a boost, as well as Zebstrika, Floatzel, and Modest Choice Scarf Mesprit after a Rock Polish
  • Eviolite increases Rhydon's bulk significantly, giving it many opportunities to set up throughout the match
Usage Tips
========
  • Try to set up on Pokemon that cannot do much in return including Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Pyroar locked into either Fire Blast or Hyper Voice or on forced switches
  • Do not bring in Rhydon recklessly, as it needs to stay healthy so it is able to set up without being KOed
  • Rhydon can be used as a mid-game wallbreaker by setting up Swords Dance, tearing apart slower teams
  • Once Rhydon's answers have been weakened, set up Rock Polish to clean late-game
Team Options
========
  • Mesprit is a good partner, as it covers Rhydon Fighting and Ground weakness, while providing Stealth Rock support in addition to Healing Wish, giving Rhydon a second shot at sweeping the opposing team
  • Garbodor pairs well due to its Fighting-type resistance and provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, weakening Pokemon so Rhydon is able to clean late-game with more ease
  • Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Gourgeist-XL, and Tangela give this set issues, as all of them are able to take a hit and OHKO with their respective Grass-type STABs, so Flying-types such as Scyther, Archeops, and Fletchinder all pair well
  • Similarly, Ice-types, most notably Freeze-Dry users such as Vanilluxe and Articuno also pair well, as they appreciate Rhydon's ability to threaten Fire-types, while in return they threaten Grass- and Water-types that are able to put Rhydon's sweep to a halt
  • Cacturne is a good partner thanks to its resistance to Grass and immunity to Water, Spikes support, and its ability to break down many Pokemon, paving the way for Rhydon to sweep late-game
  • Swords Dance Samurott does a great job wallbreaking early- to mid-game and is also a secondary check to Fire-types, as despite Rhydon's resistance, it is still threatened by Hidden Power Grass this sentence could be phrased a bit better, I get what you're saying but its not super clear
[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Rock Blast / Stone Edge
move 4: Megahorn
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Stealth Rock is the best move in the game sr isnt the best move in a game, its just really good - also note here that rhydon is a reliable stealth rocker because of its great overall bulk and matchup versus xatu and some hazard setters and removers
  • Earthquake is Rhydon's most reliable STAB move that hits a good majority of Pokemon hard even with minimal Attack investment
  • Rock Blast is more accurate than Stone Edge, making it more reliable against Pokemon such as Scyther and Fletchinder replace fletch mention
  • If the inconsistent base power proves to be an issue, Stone Edge may be used instead
  • Megahorn hits Pokemon that resist Ground / Rock coverage such as Torterra and Claydol, while also hitting Uxie, Mesprit, Musharna, and Malamar
  • Swords Dance is another option to wallbreak mid-game after Rhydon has already set up Stealth Rock
Set Details
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  • Maximum HP EVs increases Rhydon's overall bulk
  • 16 Attack EVs plus an Adamant nature reaches a jump point, giving Rhydon's attacks a little more power
  • The rest goes into Special Defense to let Rhydon take Fire-type attacks much more easily and it generally the better option, as Rhydon's physical bulk is already high enough with Eviolite
  • Eviolite is the item of choice, as it boosts Rhydon's bulk substantially, allowing it to switch into many Pokemon throughout the match
Usage Tips
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  • This set plays as a bulky tank; it should be switching in against Pokemon that cannot do much back and set up Stealth Rock to support its teammates give examples of what mons it can pivot into to threaten out
  • Once Stealth Rock is up, use Rhydon typing to switch in on many Pokemon and begin using powerful attacks to weaken the foe's team, as even without heavy attack investment, Rhydon's attacks still deal great amounts of damage
  • If the opponent has a Pokemon that resists the combination of Ground / Rock, predict their switch in by using Megahorn
  • Swords Dance is best used to break down bulkier Pokemon mid-game for a teammate to clean up once the foe's team is sufficiently weakened
  • When switching in against the Pokemon it checks, try to scout for moves such as Hidden Power Grass from Pyroar or Aqua Tail from Archeops and Kangaskhan
Team Options
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  • Bulky Grass- and Water-types switch in to this set with ease, so teammates such as Vileplume and Roselia pair, as their synergy is great, with both covering Rhydon's Fighting-, Water-, and Grass-type weaknesses, while Rhydon threatens Fire-types that give Rhydon issues. Roselia in particular switches into Lilligant and Ludicolo with ease
  • Cacturne and Lilligant pair well for their ability to switch into Scald with ease, and threaten bulky Water-types that give Rhydon issues
  • Garbodor pairs well, as it switches into Fighting-types well, while also wearing them down with Rocky Helmet damage, as well as providing Spikes and Toxic Spikes support
  • Though Rhydon does check Fire-types, it still fears the coverage moves they carry, so Lanturn in particular pairs well, as it is able to heal any status inflicted with Heal Bell and bring in Rhydon safely with Volt Switch
  • Poliwrath is an interesting partner, as it switches into Water-type moves with ease as well as switch in Knock Off, which despite Rhydon taking the move very well, it does not appreciate losing its Eviolite interesting seems like a weird word to describe it here, pick a different adjective
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • Roar or Dragon Tail to phaze out set up sweepers, as well as Water- and Grass-type switch ins
  • Choice Band is an option to make Rhydon's attacks hit very hard, but the loss of Eviolite makes Rhydon significantly less bulky I'd go as far to say such a set is outclassed by golem
  • Rock Head or Reckless Double-Edge may sound appealing at first, but it doesn't provide any coverage that Megahorn already doesn't cover
  • Rest plus Sleep Talk is Rhydon's only form of recovery, but generally this wastes a lot of Rhydon's potential and tends to be unreliable
Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Tangela, Vileplume, and Gourgeist-XL are Rhydon's bane, as all of them can take even boosted attacks from Rhydon, and OHKO with their respective Grass-type STABs. The former two do not appreciate taking a Megahorn however. More offensive Grass-types including Lilligant and Cacturne cannot safely switch in, but they force Rhydon out with their Grass STAB.

**Water-types**: Prinplup and Poliwrath switch into Rhydon with relative ease, and deal heavy damage with Scald, though neither appreciate taking a boosted Earthquake. Samurott, Kabutops, and Floatzel can put Rhydon's sweeps to a halt, as the former two have access to Aqua Jet, while Floatzel outspeeds Adamant Rhydon at +2 and revenge kills with Hydro Pump.

**Pokemon with Super-Effective Coverage**: Many Pokemon that Rhydon otherwise reliably checks are able to lure in and hit Rhydon with a coverage move. Pyroar and Magmortar in particular, both commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to deal heavy damage to Rhydon. Archeops and Kangaskhan, both of which Rhydon otherwise easily switches into, can also carry Aqua Tail to 2HKO Rhydon. archeops can also run hp grass

**Fast Special Attackers**: Even when its Speed is boosted with Rock Polish, Rhydon is still outsped many Choice Scarf users that revenge kill it, such as Lilligant, Jynx, and Mesprit. However, none of these Pokemon are capable of switching into Rhydon safely.

**Residual Damage**: Rhydon tends to be worn down by poison, burn, and repeated switch ins to Spikes, as it has no form of recovery. Burns in particular greatly hinder Rhydon, as it cuts its Attack, making it much easier to switch in to.
Comments in bold.
Add mentions of Shiftry and Skuntank where appropriate.
QC 1/3
 

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[Overview]

Mention the weakness to Fighting is really bad as well
Mention how useless its abilities are

[Dancing Dino]

Maximum Speed EVs plus an Adamant nature ensure it outspeeds base 110 Speed Pokemon and below
say after a Rock Polish

[Tank]

Not sure about other QC members, but I still think Roar should be slashed or at least mentioned in Moves, since it isn't that situational
I'll talk with Bolts, but I would like Swords Dance slashed with Megahorn, since it puts a lot of pressure on bulkier builds after setting up rocks, and Megahorn is really only important for certain grass types
Mention how it doesn't have to invest in Defense due to its already high natural defense
Mention what mons resist the coverage of EdgeQuake, like Torterra or Claydol

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]

Mention Quagsire in Bulky Waters, its probably the best check to every Rhydon set out there
Mention naturally fast pokemon in C&C as well, as Floatzel and Zebstrika can revenge it if its Adamant

Overall great analysis QC 2/3

[17:15] boltsandbombers: you can edit in the post that I gave the ok for sd slash

 
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[OVERVIEW]

Rhydon is one of NU's most potent physical attackers thanks to its monstrous Attack stat complemented by and an excellent dual STAB types to complement, making Rhydon difficult to switch into. (remove space) In addition, Rhydon has great overall bulk due to its high HP stat and good defenses when holding Eviolite, (comma) Rhydon also has as well as access to both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, allowing it to sweep through fast offensive teams or break through some of the bulkiest Pokemon with ease. Though Rhydon does come with substantial strengths, it still has some notable weaknesses that hold it back. Slow intitial Low initial Speed means that some defensive Pokemon are able to outspeed Rhydon even when Rhydon it is fully invested in Speed. While Ground / Rock is great offensively, it comes with some crippling weaknesses, including a 4x weakness to Water- and Grass-type attacks, as well as a weakness to common Fighting-type attacks. Rhydon is also prone to being worn down by repeated attacks, status ailments, and entry hazards due to its lack of passive recovery.

[SET]
name: Dancing Dino
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Swords Dance / Megahorn
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Rock Polish boosts Rhydon's Speed, allowing it to outspeed many unboosted offensive Pokemon. Earthquake and Stone Edge together have great coverage, hitting a good majority of Pokemon for at least neutral damage. Swords Dance boosts Rhydon's Attack to frightening levels, making it very difficult for opposing Pokemon to safely switch into. Megahorn is an alternative move that rounds out Rhydon's coverage by hitting Pokemon that resist both Earthquake and Stone Edge such as Torterra and Claydol, as well as nailing Ludicolo, Lilligant, Musharna, Mesprit, and Malamar. Rock Slide is another option over Stone Edge if the accuracy proves to be an issue, but the damage output is significantly lower. Stealth Rock can also used to have Rhydon act as both a team supporter and a late-game cleaner.

Set Details
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Maximum Attack EVs plus an Adamant nature allow Rhydon to hit as hard as possible, while maximum Speed EVs ensure it outspeeds base 110 Speed Pokemon and below after a Rock Polish. A Jolly nature is an alterntaive alternative to outspeed defensive Lanturn, 0 Speed uninvested Malamar, and Jolly Carracosta before a boost, as well as Zebstrika, Floatzel, and Modest Choice Scarf Mesprit after a Rock Polish. Eviolite increases Rhydon's bulk significantly, giving it many opportunities to set up throughout the match.

Usage Tips
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Try to set up on Pokemon that cannot do much in return, (AC) including such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Pyroar locked into either Fire Blast or Hyper Voice, (AC) or on forced switches. Do not bring in Rhydon recklessly, as it needs to stay healthy so it is to be able to set up without being KOed. In addition, also watch out for Pokemon that try to lure in Rhydon such as Archeops running Hidden Power Grass or Aqua Tail. Rhydon can be used as a mid-game wallbreaker by setting up Swords Dance, tearing apart slower teams. Once Rhydon's checks have been weakened, set up Rock Polish to clean late-game.

Team Options
========

Mesprit is a good partner, as it covers Rhydon Fighting and Ground weaknesses, while providing provides Stealth Rock support, (AC) in addition to Healing Wish, giving and can give Rhydon a second shot at sweeping the opposing team with Healing Wish. Garbodor pairs well due to its Fighting-type resistance and provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, weakening Pokemon so Rhydon is able to clean late-game with more ease. Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Gourgeist-XL, and Tangela give this set issues, as all of them are able to take a hit and OHKO with their respective Grass-type STAB moves, so Flying-types such as Scyther and Archeops all pair well. Similarly, Ice-types, most notably Freeze-Dry users such as Vanilluxe and Articuno, (AC) also pair well, as they appreciate Rhydon's ability to threaten Fire-types (RC) while in return they threaten Grass- and Water-types that are able to put Rhydon's sweep to a halt. Cacturne is a good partner thanks to its resistance to Grass and immunity to Water, Spikes support, and its ability to break down many Pokemon, paving the way for Rhydon to sweep late-game. Swords Dance Samurott does a great job wallbreaking early- to mid-game and is also provides a secondary check to Fire-types, as despite Rhydon's resistance, it is still threatened by Fire-types due to most of them carrying Hidden Power Grass.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Rock Blast / Stone Edge
move 4: Megahorn / Swords Dance
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Stealth Rock is a great move to support Rhydon's and teammates. Rhydon is also a great user of the move Stealth Rock thanks to its good bulk and favorable matchup against Xatu. Earthquake is Rhydon's most reliable STAB move that and hits a good majority of Pokemon hard even with minimal Attack investment. Rock Blast is more accurate than Stone Edge, making it more reliable against Pokemon such as Scyther and Xatu. It also breaks Sturdy and Focus Sash, which gives it Rhydon a better matchup against lead Archeops and Crustle. If the inconsistent Base Power proves to be an issue, however, (AC) Stone Edge may can be used instead. Megahorn hits Pokemon that resist Ground / Rock coverage such as Torterra and Claydol (RC) while also hitting Mesprit, Musharna, and Malamar. Swords Dance is another option to allow Rhydon to break through bulkier Pokemon such as Musharna, Mega Audino, and Miltank. Roar is also useful to phaze out (redundancy error cause it's implied with "phaze" to begin with) setup sweepers (RC) as well as Water- and Grass-type switch-ins, (add hyphen) allowing Rhydon to wear them down with repeated entry hazard damage.

Set Details
========

Maximum HP EVs increases increase Rhydon's overall bulk, while 240 EVs go into Special Defense, allowing Rhydon to take Fire-type attacks much more comfortably; (SC) and investing in Special Defense is generally the better option, as Rhydon's Defense is already high enough when boosted with Eviolite. The remaining EVs plus an Adamant nature allows allow Rhydon to hit a jump point in Attack, giving its attacks a little more power. Eviolite boosts Rhydon's bulk substantially, allowing it to switch into many Pokemon throughout the match.

Usage Tips
========

This set plays as a bulky tank; it should be switching in against Pokemon that cannot do much back, (AC) such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, or Arcehops and Archeops, and set up Stealth Rock to support its teammates. Once Stealth Rock is up, use Rhydon's typing to switch in on many Pokemon and begin using powerful attacks to weaken the foe's opposing team, as even without heavy Attack investment, Rhydon's attacks still deal great amounts of damage. If the opponent has a Pokemon that resists the combination of Ground / Rock, predict their switch in by using Megahorn. Swords Dance is best used to break down bulkier Pokemon mid-game, allowing a teammate to clean late-game with ease. When switching in against the Pokemon it checks, try to scout for moves such as Hidden Power Grass from Pyroar or and Aqua Tail from Archeops and Kangaskhan.

Team Options
========

Bulky Grass- and Water-types switch into (remove space) this set with ease, so teammates such as Vileplume and Roselia pair well, as their synergy is great, with both covering these Pokemon in addition to Rhydon's Fighting-, Water-, and Grass-type weaknesses (RC) while Rhydon threatens Fire-types that give Vileplume and Roselia issues. Roselia in particular switches into Lilligant and Ludicolo with ease. Cacturne and Lilligant pair well for their ability to switch into Scald (RC) and threaten bulky Water-types such as Prinplup and Lanturn. Garbodor pairs well, as it switches can switch (less repetitive) into Fighting-types (RC) while also wearing them down with Rocky Helmet damage, as well as providing Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, which pairs well with the amount number of switches Rhydon forces. Though Rhydon does check Fire-types, it still fears the coverage moves they carry, so Lanturn in particular pairs well is recommended, as it is able to heal any status inflicted with Heal Bell and bring in Rhydon safely with Volt Switch. Poliwrath is an a good partner, as it has Water Absorb, allowing allows it to gain back HP from Water-type moves aimed at Rhydon. Poliwrath is also a good switch-in (add hyphen) to Knock Off, which despite Rhydon taking the move very well, it does not appreciate losing its Eviolite to, despite taking the move very well otherwise.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Dragon Tail is another option over Roar to phaze out setup sweepers (RC) while dealing damage, but in it is generally less reliable as because it cannot phaze out Substitute users and has a chance to miss. Choice Band is an option to make Rhydon's attacks hit very hard, but the loss of Eviolite makes Rhydon significantly less bulky, (AC) and Rhydon is outclassed by Golem in this role. Rock Head or Reckless Double-Edge may sound appealing at first, but it doesn't provide any coverage that Megahorn already doesn't cover provide. Rest plus Sleep Talk is Rhydon's only form of recovery, but generally this wastes a lot of Rhydon's potential and tends to be unreliable.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Tangela, Vileplume, and Gourgeist-XL are Rhydon's bane, as all of them can take even boosted attacks from Rhydon (RC) and OHKO it with their respective Grass-type STAB moves. The former two do not appreciate taking a Megahorn, (AC) however. More offensive Grass-types including such as Lilligant, Shiftry, and Cacturne cannot safely switch in, but they force Rhydon out with their Grass STAB moves. Shiftry is also able to clear the field of Stealth Rock with Defog.

**Water-types**: Prinplup and Poliwrath switch into Rhydon with relative ease (RC) and deal heavy damage with Scald, though neither appreciates taking a boosted Earthquake. Samurott and Kabutops can put Rhydon's sweeps to a halt, as both have access to priority in Aqua Jet. Quagsire is is another great answer to Rhydon, as it ignores any stat increases due to Unaware and retaliates with Scald.

**Pokemon with Super Effective (remove hyphen) Coverage**: Many Pokemon that Rhydon otherwise reliably checks are able to lure in Rhydon and hit Rhydon it with a coverage move. Pyroar, Magmortar, and Archeops in particular (RC) all commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to deal heavy damage to Rhydon. Archeops and Kangaskhan, both of which Rhydon otherwise easily switches into, can also carry Aqua Tail to 2HKO Rhydon.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Even when its Speed is boosted with Rock Polish, Rhydon is still outsped by many Choice Scarf users that can revenge kill it, such as Lilligant, Jynx, and Mesprit. Naturally fast Pokemon (RC) such as Floatzel and Zebstrika are able to outspeed Adamant Rhydon after a Rock Polish and revenge kill with Hydro Pump and Hidden Power Grass respectively their STAB or coverage moves. ("naturally fast Pokemon" in and of themselves have more options than these two, and that's still the category you're describing here) However, none of these Pokemon are capable of switching into Rhydon safely.

**Residual Damage**: Rhydon tends to be worn down by poison, burn, and repeated switch ins to switches into Spikes, as it has no form of recovery. Burns in particular greatly hinder Rhydon, as it cuts they cut its Attack, making it much easier to switch in to.



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[OVERVIEW]

Rhydon is one of NU's most potent physical attackers thanks to its monstrous Attack stat complemented by excellent dual STAB types, making Rhydon difficult to switch into. In addition, Rhydon has great overall bulk due to its high HP stat and good defenses when holding Eviolite, as well as access to both Rock Polish and Swords Dance, allowing it to sweep through fast offensive teams or break through some of the bulkiest Pokemon with ease. Though Rhydon does come with substantial strengths, it has some notable weaknesses that hold it back. Low initial Speed means that some defensive Pokemon are able to outspeed Rhydon even when it is fully invested in Speed. While Ground / Rock is great offensively, it comes with some crippling weaknesses, including a 4x weakness to Water- and Grass-type attacks, as well as a weakness to common Fighting-type attacks. Rhydon is also prone to being worn down by repeated attacks, status ailments, and entry hazards due to its lack of passive recovery.

[SET]
name: Dancing Dino
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Swords Dance / Megahorn
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Rock Polish boosts Rhydon's Speed, allowing it to outspeed many unboosted offensive Pokemon. Earthquake and Stone Edge together have great coverage, hitting a good majority of Pokemon for at least neutral damage. Swords Dance boosts Rhydon's Attack to frightening levels, making it very difficult for opposing Pokemon to safely switch into. Megahorn is an alternative move that rounds out Rhydon's coverage by hitting Pokemon that resist both Earthquake and Stone Edge, (AC) such as Torterra and Claydol, as well as nailing Ludicolo, Lilligant, Musharna, Mesprit, and Malamar. Rock Slide is another option over Stone Edge if the accuracy proves to be an issue, but the damage output is significantly lower. Stealth Rock can also be used to have Rhydon act as both a team supporter and a late-game cleaner.

Set Details
========

Maximum Attack EVs plus an Adamant nature allow Rhydon to hit as hard as possible, while maximum Speed EVs ensure it outspeeds base 110 Speed Pokemon and below after a Rock Polish. A Jolly nature is an alternative to outspeed defensive Lanturn, uninvested Malamar, and Jolly Carracosta before a boost, as well as Zebstrika, Floatzel, and Modest Choice Scarf Mesprit after a Rock Polish. Eviolite increases Rhydon's bulk significantly, giving it many opportunities to set up throughout the match.

Usage Tips
========

Try to set up on Pokemon that cannot do much in return, such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Pyroar locked into Fire Blast or Hyper Voice, or on forced switches. Do not bring in Rhydon recklessly, as it needs to stay healthy to be able to set up without being KOed. In addition, watch out for Pokemon that try to lure in Rhydon, (AC) such as Archeops running Hidden Power Grass or Aqua Tail. Rhydon can be used as a mid-game wallbreaker by setting up Swords Dance, tearing apart slower teams. Once Rhydon's checks have been weakened, set up Rock Polish to clean late-game.

Team Options
========

Mesprit is a good partner, as it covers Rhydon's Fighting and Ground weaknesses, provides Stealth Rock support, and can give Rhydon a second shot at sweeping the opposing team with Healing Wish. Garbodor pairs well with Rhydon due to its Fighting-type resistance and provides Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, weakening Pokemon so Rhydon is able to clean late-game with more ease. Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Gourgeist-XL, and Tangela give this set issues, as all of them are able to take a hit and OHKO with their respective Grass-type STAB moves, so Flying-types such as Scyther and Archeops all pair well with Rhydon. Similarly, Ice-types, most notably Freeze-Dry users such as Vanilluxe and Articuno, are good teammates also pair well (getting repetitive), as they appreciate Rhydon's ability to threaten Fire-types while in return they threaten Grass- and Water-types that are able to put Rhydon's sweep to a halt. Cacturne is a good partner thanks to its resistance to Grass and immunity to Water, Spikes support, and ability to break down many Pokemon, paving the way for Rhydon to sweep late-game. Swords Dance Samurott does a great job wallbreaking early- to and mid-game and provides a secondary check to Fire-types, as despite Rhydon's resistance, it is still threatened by Fire-types due to most of them carrying Hidden Power Grass.

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Rock Blast / Stone Edge
move 4: Megahorn / Swords Dance
item: Eviolite
ability: Lightningrod
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Rhydon is a great user of Stealth Rock thanks to its good bulk and favorable matchup against Xatu. Earthquake is Rhydon's most reliable STAB move and hits a good majority of Pokemon hard even with minimal Attack investment. Rock Blast is more accurate than Stone Edge, making it more reliable against Pokemon such as Scyther and Xatu. It also breaks Sturdy and Focus Sash, which gives Rhydon a better matchup against lead Archeops and Crustle. If the inconsistent Base Power proves to be an issue, however, Stone Edge can be used instead. Megahorn hits Pokemon that resist Ground / Rock coverage such as Torterra and Claydol while also hitting Mesprit, Musharna, and Malamar. Swords Dance is another option to allow Rhydon to break through bulkier Pokemon such as Musharna, Mega Audino, and Miltank. (so many M names wow) Roar is also useful to phaze setup sweepers as well as Water- and Grass-type switch-ins, allowing Rhydon to wear them down with repeated entry hazard damage.

Set Details
========

Maximum HP EVs increase Rhydon's overall bulk, while 240 EVs go into Special Defense, allowing Rhydon to take Fire-type attacks much more comfortably; investing in Special Defense is generally the better option, as Rhydon's Defense is already high enough when boosted with Eviolite. The remaining EVs plus an Adamant nature allow Rhydon to hit a jump point in Attack, giving its attacks a little more power. Eviolite boosts Rhydon's bulk substantially, allowing it to switch into many Pokemon throughout the match.

Usage Tips
========

This set plays as a bulky tank; it should be switching in against Pokemon that cannot do much back, such as Tauros, Kangaskhan, and Archeops, and setting up Stealth Rock to support its teammates. Once Stealth Rock is up, use Rhydon's typing to switch in on many Pokemon and weaken the opposing team, as even without heavy Attack investment, Rhydon's attacks still deal great amounts of damage. If the opponent has a Pokemon that resists the combination of Ground / Rock, predict their switch in by using Megahorn. Swords Dance is best used to break down bulkier Pokemon mid-game, allowing a teammate to clean late-game with ease. When switching Rhydon in against the Pokemon it checks, (shouldn't this be "Before" rather than "When"? can't really scout effectively if you're switching it in at the same time) try to scout for moves such as Hidden Power Grass from Pyroar and Aqua Tail from Archeops and Kangaskhan.

Team Options
========

Bulky Grass- and Water-types switch into this set with ease, so teammates such as Vileplume and Roselia pair well with Rhydon, with both covering these Pokemon in addition to Rhydon's Fighting-type weakness while Rhydon threatens Fire-types that give Vileplume and Roselia issues. Roselia in particular switches into Lilligant and Ludicolo with ease. Cacturne and Lilligant pair well are good teammates for Rhydon (repetitive) for their ability to switch into Scald and threaten bulky Water-types such as Prinplup and Lanturn. Garbodor can switch into Fighting-types while also wearing them down with Rocky Helmet damage, as well as providing Spikes and Toxic Spikes support, which pairs well with the number of switches Rhydon forces. Though Rhydon does check Fire-types, it still fears the coverage moves they carry, so Lanturn in particular is recommended, as it is able to heal any status inflicted with Heal Bell and bring in Rhydon safely with Volt Switch. Poliwrath is a good partner, as Water Absorb allows it to gain back HP from Water-type moves aimed at Rhydon. Poliwrath is also a good switch-in to Knock Off, which Rhydon does not appreciate losing its Eviolite to, despite taking the move very well otherwise.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Dragon Tail is an option over Roar to phaze setup sweepers while dealing damage, but it is generally less reliable because it cannot phaze Substitute users and has a chance to miss. Choice Band is an option to make Rhydon's attacks hit very hard, but the loss of Eviolite makes Rhydon significantly less bulky, and Rhydon is outclassed by Golem in this role. Rock Head or Reckless Double-Edge may sound appealing at first, but it doesn't provide any coverage that Megahorn already doesn't provide. Rest plus Sleep Talk is Rhydon's only form of recovery, but generally this wastes a lot of Rhydon's potential and tends to be unreliable.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Bulky Grass-types such as Torterra, Tangela, Vileplume, and Gourgeist-XL are Rhydon's bane, as all of them can take even boosted attacks from Rhydon and OHKO it with their respective Grass-type STAB moves. The former two do not appreciate taking a Megahorn, however. More offensive Grass-types such as Lilligant, Shiftry, and Cacturne cannot safely switch in, but they force Rhydon out with their Grass STAB moves. Shiftry is also able to clear the field of Stealth Rock with Defog.

**Water-types**: Prinplup and Poliwrath switch into Rhydon with relative ease and deal heavy damage with Scald, though neither appreciates taking a boosted Earthquake. Samurott and Kabutops can put Rhydon's sweeps to a halt, as both have access to priority in Aqua Jet. Quagsire is another great answer to Rhydon, as it ignores any stat increases due to Unaware and retaliates with Scald.

**Pokemon with Super Effective Coverage**: Many Pokemon that Rhydon otherwise reliably checks are able to lure it in Rhydon and hit it with a coverage move. Pyroar, Magmortar, and Archeops in particular all commonly carry Hidden Power Grass to deal heavy damage to Rhydon. Archeops and Kangaskhan, both of which Rhydon otherwise easily switches into, can also carry Aqua Tail to 2HKO Rhydon.

**Fast Special Attackers**: Even when its Speed is boosted with Rock Polish, Rhydon is still outsped by many Choice Scarf users that can revenge kill it, such as Lilligant, Jynx, and Mesprit. Naturally fast Pokemon such as Floatzel and Zebstrika are able to outspeed Adamant Rhydon after a Rock Polish and revenge kill it with their STAB or coverage moves. However, none of these Pokemon are capable of switching into Rhydon safely.

**Residual Damage**: Rhydon tends to be worn down by poison, burn, and repeated switches into Spikes, as it has no form of recovery. Burns in particular greatly hinder Rhydon, as they cut its Attack, making it much easier to switch in to.
 
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