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Rhyperior (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by dingram, Sep 24, 2011.

  1. dingram

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    [Overview]

    <p>With an outstanding base 140 Attack stat and low Speed, Rhyperior is the perfect candidate for Trick Room teams in VGC 2012. It also gets STAB on the "QuakeSlide" combo, which makes it a big threat to many teams. Wonderful bulk helps it take most physical attacks with ease too. Sadly, Rhyperior's lacking Special Defense allows many special attackers to check it. Rhyperior's ability, Solid Rock, helps that weakness somewhat, though. Overall, Rhyperior's excellent HP and Defense stats are what really aid his survivability in battle.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Attacker
    move 1: Earthquake
    move 2: Rock slide
    move 3: Megahorn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Ground Gem / Rock Gem
    nature: Brave
    ability: Lightningrod / Solid Rock
    Evs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>With this set, Rhyperior is a behemoth under Trick Room,destroying anything that doesn't resist its powerful STAB combination. With just its two STAB moves in Rock Slide and Earthquake, Rhyperior achieves near-perfect coverage, hitting a wide range of threats very hard. Although its accuracy is below average, Megahorn comes useful in many situations, 2HKOing Bold 252 HP/ 252 Def Cresselia and OHKOing all Latios. Protect is a necessity in VGC for prediction and scouting, and Rhyperior is no exception. When considering Rhyperior's weaknesses to common attacking types, Protect's ability to shield it from all attacks for a turn and allow its partner to take out the threatening foe makes it all the more crucial. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>
    The EVs are pretty straightforward. They maximize bulk while preserving offensive prowess. A Brave nature and 0 speed IVs are needed to "outslow" as many other Pokemon in battle as possible. Lastly, Lightningrod is a great ability in doubles. It lures away Electric-type attacks from Pokemon that have trouble with the likes of Thundurus and Zapdos. If this doesn't interest you, Solid Rock can be used to take less damage from super effective attacks.Even with 252 HP EVs, Rhyperior still has trouble surviving certain attacks. Type-resist berries can fix that dilemma. Chople berry helps Rhyperior survive STAB Close Combats Fighting-types such as Hitmontop and Infernape, Babiri Berry helps Rhyperior survive Metagross's Iron Head or Meteor Mash while, Shuca allows Rhyperior to avoid a 2HKO from almost any Earthquake. Some damage calculations below show how much type-resist berries aid Rhyperior in battle:

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>252 Atk Adamant Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Babiri Berry: 35.1% - 41.9%<li>
    <li>Fight Gem 252 Atk Adamant Hitmontop Close Combat vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Chople Berry: 49.1% - 58.1%<li>
    <li>252 Atk Jolly Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Shuca Berry: 23%-27.5%<li>
    </ul></p>

    <p>Obviously, in order for Rhyperior to pose a major threat with this set, Trick Room support is needed. Pokemon that can fit this role include Dusclops, Reuniclus, Musharna, and Cresselia. Cresselia receives a special mention for this role; it is immune to Earthquake and can destroy troublesome Fighting-types with Psychic. Dual Screen support can also be used to increase Rhyperior's longevity in battle. Rain teams can destroy Rhyperior with no problem, making Abomasnow a fantastic teammate; it can change the weather, and also destroy Grass- and Water-types with a STAB Grass Knot and Blizzard. Pokemon that take very little to no damage at all from Rhyperior's Earthquakes make great partners. Gyarados is particularly effective because of its fantastic ability, Intimidate, which allows Rhyperior to tank physical hits even better. In return, Rhyperior can lure away Electric type attacks with Lightningrod.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Rhyperior's large movepool includes some interesting alternative options such as Avalanche, the elemental punches and fangs, and Hammer Arm. In most cases, using these moves is inadvisable due to the difficulty of finding space on a set. Rhyperior already has pretty good coverage and using these moves ruins that. Rock Blast to break Substitutes, sashes, and Charti Berries, but Rhyperior is usually better off with more coverage moves instead of two Rock-type attacks and Rock Slide is a must have. If you are using Rhyperior on a Trick Room team Rock Blast can be especially useful to stop Prankster Pokemon from stalling out your Trick Room with Substitute. Hammer Arm would fit the best if any of these moves were to be used, however, because of the additional effect. It hits Dark-types and Ferrothorn harder, and actually makes Rhyperior "faster" with each use under trick room. Lastly, a Lum Berry could be used to give Rhyperior an answer to Will-O-Wisp and other status conditions.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Rain teams will absolutely demolish Rhyperior, as it has no hope surviving a rain boosted Surf from common rain abusers. Bulky Ghost-types with Will-O-Wisp, such as Dusclops, can cripple all Rhyperior lacking a Lum Berry. Breloom and Virizion resist Rhyperior's STABs, and can retaliate with Spore and Giga Drain. Intimidate users such as Gyarados and Hitmontop can weaken Rhyperior's attacks and pick on his weaknesses. Without the right type-resist berry, Rhyperior is also vulnerable to a 2HKO from certain attacks, such as Garchomp's Earthquake when it isn't holding a Shuca Berry, and Metagross's Meteor Mash when it is without a Babiri Berry.</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p> Rhyperior receives Reckless from the Dream World. While this may seem to be great on a powerful physical attacker like Rhyperior at first, it's almost completely useless. The only move that would benefit from this ability is Double-Edge, which Rhyperior cannot fit on any moveset. Lightningrod and Solid Rock outclass this ability completely.</p>
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    Okay the skeleton is written up. It is now ready for QC!
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    Protect always goes last in move order. Megahorn is vastly superior to Crunch, as Crunch does not 2HKO Cresselia and OHKO Latios/Latias and Ludicolo. Passho Berry is largely useless, since most Water-type attacks (from rain teams) will OHKO Rhyperior anyway, and Grass-type attacks aren't really common outside of Ludicolo and Abomasnow, both of which can OHKO anyway. Resist berries are far more useful to allow Rhyperior to take physical attacks; Babiri Berry allows Rhyperior to take Metagross's Iron Head or Meteor Mash, Shuca Berry allows Rhyperior to avoid a 2HKO from almost any Earthquake, and Chople Berry stops Close Combat from doing so much damage. Life Orb is pretty much unnecessary and takes away from Rhyperior's excellent bulk. Don't mention it. Hammer Arm also has overlapping coverage with Earthquake. While it has the ability to always OHKO Tyranitar, Tyranitar can't do much back to Rhyperior anyway, so Hammer Arm is pretty much useless.

    Mention Cresselia as a partner; it's immune to Earthquake, has Psychic to take out Fighting-types, can set up Trick Room (and Light Screen if you're into that), and use Helping Hand to boost Rhyperior's attacks.
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    Thanks cosmicexplorer for the feedback. I edited the information into the analysis.
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    rhyperior already survives almost all physical attacks, so the listed type-resist berries are pointless. even with a rindo or passho berry, rhyperior still dies sometimes. therefore, type gems are the way to go (ground gem / rock gem) with lum berry in OO for will-o-wisp users. please list lightningrod as primary slash and add more pokemon as teammates because of this (gyarados, yanmega, etc).

    please double-check spacing and capitalization for Evs (->evs), list ivs as

    ivs: 0 Spe

    underneath all the other ones. remove dragon rush completely. mention hammer arm in OO as a way to further lower speed for TR purposes and do more damage against ferrothorn.

    will check after edit :D
  6. dingram

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    Thanks. I made the adjustments.
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    The Hammer Arm sentences don't need two bullet points. Also, you need to fix the spelling and punctuation in the dream world section.
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    Okay I fixed the minor grammar errors. Thanks for pointing them out.
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    items should be ground gem / rock gem, lum berry in oo.
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    I just fixed them. Thanks for pointing that out.
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    The Checks and Counters section needs a bit more fleshing out. Add Metagross, as if Rhyperior is not holding a Babiri Berry, it dies to Meteor Mash + Bullet Punch. Gyarados is also a solid check, avoiding a 2HKO from Rock Slide outside of Rock Gem and 2HKOing (or possibly OHKOing) back with Waterfall. Breloom and Virizion can take any attack and OHKO or do severe damage in return.

    Once you've added these to the Checks and Counters section:

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    Thanks for the QC checks! I'll get this written soon.
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    Ready for GP checks!
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    Just a quick note, Musharna can also avoid Earthquake via Telepathy and also hits hard with Psychic.
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    Yes, but only if Musharna and Rhyperior are on the same team, so they would be a decent pair to use.
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    [Overview]
    <p>
    With an outstanding base 140 Attack stat and low Speed, Rhyperior is a perfect candidate for Trick Room in VGC 2012. It also gets STAB on the "EdgeQuake" "QuakeSlide" (that's more relevant to doubles, plus Rock Slide is the Rock attack listed) combo,(comma) which causes it to be a big threat to many teams. The downside to Rhyperior is its lacking Special Defense.;(semicolon) many special attackers can do major damage to Rhyperior. Rhyperior's ability, Solid Rock, helps that weakness somewhat. But, Overall, Rhyperior's excellent HP and Defense stats are what really aid his survivability in battle.

    </p>
    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Attacker
    move 1: Earthquake
    move 2: Rock Slide
    move 3: Megahorn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Ground Gem / Rock Gem
    nature: Brave
    ability: Lightningrod / Solid Rock
    Evs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>
    With this set, Rhyperior is a behemoth under Trick Room. It absolutely destroys with his two STAB attacks, Rock Slide and Earthquake. With a Rock Gem or Ground Gem, Rhyperior's sheer power is further boosted. Although its accuracy is below average, Megahorn comes useful in many situations. It 2HKO's Bold 252 HP/ 252 Def Cresselia and OHKO's OHKOes Latios. Protect is necessary in VGC for prediction and scouting. The EV's EVs are pretty straightforward. They maximize bulk while preserving offensive prowess. A Brave nature and 0 speed iv's IVs are needed to "outslow" as many other Pokemon in battle as possible. Lastly, Lightningrod is a great ability in doubles. It lures away Electric-type attacks from Pokemon that have trouble with the likes of Thundurus and Zapdos. If this doesn't interest you, Solid Rock can be used to take less damage from super effective attacks.
    </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>
    Even with 252 HP Ev's, EVs, Rhyperior still has trouble surviving certain attacks. Type resist berries can fix that dilemma. A Chople berry helps Rhyperior survive STAB close combats from the likes of Hitmontop and Infernape. A Babiri Berry allows Rhyperior to take Metagross's Iron Head or Meteor Mash. Also, Finally, a Shuca Berry allows Rhyperior to avoid a 2HKO from almost any Earthquake. Rock Gem and Ground Gem allows Rhyperior to turn 2HKO's 2HKOs into clean OHKO's OHKOs. Some Damege damage calculations below show how much type-resist berries aid Rhyperior in battle.

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>252 Atk Adamant Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Babiri Berry 33.9% - 40.1%<li>
    <li>Fight Gem 252 Atk Adamant Hitmontop Close Combat vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Chople Berry 47.7% - 56.2%<li>
    <li>252 Atk Adamant Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Shuca Berry 33.2% - 38.9%<li>
    </ul></p>

    [Team Options]
    <p>
    In order for Rhyperior to become a major threat with this set, Trick Room support is needed. Pokemon that can fit this role include:(no colon) Dusclops, Reuniclus, Musharna, and Cresselia. Cresselia receives a special mention for this rule.;(semicolon) Cresselia it is immune to Earthquake and can destroy troublesome Fighting-(hyphen)types with Psychic. Dual screen support can also be used to increase Rhyperior's survival time in battle. Rain teams can destroy Rhyperior with no problem. Abomasnow can change the weather, and destroy Grass-(hyphen) and Water-(hyphen)types with a STAB Grass Knot and Blizzard. Pokemon that take very little to no damage at all from Rhyperior's Earthquakes make great partners. Gyarados also receives a special mention because of his its fantastic ability, Intimidate. It allows Rhyperior to tank physical hits even better while Rhyperior can lure away Electric type attacks with Lightningrod.
    </p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>
    Rhyperior has an interesting physical movepool consisting of Avalanche, the elemental punches, elemental fangs, and Hammer Arm. In most cases, using these moves are inadvisable due to the difficulty of finding space on a set. Rhyperior already has pretty good coverage and using these moves ruins that. Hammer Arm would fit the best if you were to use any of these moves were to be used because of the additional effect. It hits Dark-types and Ferrothorn harder and allows Rhyperior to "outslow" others in trick room. Lastly,(comma) a Lum Berry could be used to give Rhyperior an answer to Will-O-Wisp and other status conditions.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>
    Rain teams will absolutely demolish Rhyperior. Rhyperior will have no hope surviving a rain boosted Surf from common rain abusers. Bulky Ghos-(hyphen)types with Will-O-Wisp can cripple Rhyperior without a Lum Berry. Breloom and Virizion resist Rhyperior's STABs and can retaliate with Spore and Giga Drain. Gyarados and Htimontop Hitmontop can Intimidate Rhyperior and pick on his weaknesses. Garchomp's strong Earthquakes can 2HKO Rhyperior without a Shuca Berry. Metagross can also 2HKO Rhyperior with its strong Meteor Mash when its it's not holding a Babiri Berry.
    </p>

    [Dream World]
    <p>
    As a Dream World ability, Rhyperior receives Reckless. While this may seem to be great on Rhyperior at first, It's almost completely uselss useless. The only move that would benefit from this ability is Double-Edge.,(comma) Rhyperior is better off using other attacks rather than Double-Edge. which Rhyperior cannot fit on a moveset. Lightningrod and Solid Rock outclass this ability completely.(period) and is recommended not to use Reckless as an ability.
    </p>


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    Thanks for the GP check NixHex! Just one more GP check to go.
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    [Overview]
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    <p>With an outstanding base 140 Attack stat and low Speed, Rhyperior is a the perfect candidate for Trick Room teams in VGC 2012. It also gets STAB on the "QuakeSlide" combo, which causes it to be makes it a big threat to many teams. Wonderful physical bulk helps it take most physical attacks with ease too. Sadly, The downside to Rhyperior is its Rhyperior's lacking Special Defense; allows many special attackers can do major damage to Rhyperior check it without too much fuss. Rhyperior's ability, Solid Rock, helps with that weakness somewhat, though. Overall, Rhyperior's excellent HP and Defense stats are what really aid his survivability in battle Rhyperior's niche as a bulky Trick Room attacker makes it a major threat in the VGC 2012 metagame.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Attacker
    move 1: Earthquake
    move 2: Rock Slide
    move 3: Megahorn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Ground Gem / Rock Gem
    nature: Brave
    ability: Lightningrod / Solid Rock
    Evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD (add space between ''HP'' and the ''/'' succeeding it)
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>With this set, Rhyperior is a behemoth under Trick Room, destroying anything that doesn't resist its powerful STAB combination It absolutely destroys with his two STAB attacks, Rock Slide and Earthquake. With a Rock Gem or Ground Gem, Rhyperior's sheer power is further boosted. With just its two STAB moves in Rock Slide and Earthquake, Rhyperior achieves near-perfect coverage, hitting a wide range of threats very hard. Although its accuracy is below average, Megahorn comes useful in many situations, It 2HKOing Bold 252 HP/ 252 Def Cresselia and OHKOing all Latios. Protect is necessary a necessity on most Pokemon in VGC for prediction and scouting, and Rhyperior is no exception. When considering Rhyperior's weaknesses to common attacking types, Protect's ability to shield it from all attacks for a turn and allow its partner to take out the threatening foe makes it all the more crucial. The EVs are pretty straightforward. They maximize bulk while preserving offensive prowess. A Brave nature and 0 speed IVs are needed to "outslow" as many other Pokemon in battle as possible. Lastly, Lightningrod is a great ability in doubles. It lures away Electric-type attacks from Pokemon that have trouble with the likes of Thundurus and Zapdos. If this doesn't interest you, Solid Rock can be used to take less damage from super effective attacks.</p> (Do not write about the EVs, item, ability, or IVs in Set Comments itself - that is what AC is for.)

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EV spread is pretty straightforward, maximizing Rhyperior's bulk and power, while a Brave nature and 0 Speed IVs allow it to outspeed most threats under Trick Room. The choice between Rock Gem and Ground Gem depends on which of Rhyperior's STAB moves you wish to give an initial boost to; both are great options, turning several 2HKOs into OHKOs. Lastly, Lightningrod is a great ability in doubles, as it lures Electric-type attacks away from Pokemon that have trouble with the likes of Thundurus and Zapdos. If this doesn't interest you, however, Solid Rock can be used to take less damage from super effective attacks. Even with 252 HP EVs, Rhyperior still has trouble surviving certain attacks. Type-resist berries can fix that dilemma. A Chople Berry helps Rhyperior survive STAB Close Combats from the likes of Fighting-types such as Hitmontop and Infernape, A Babiri Berry allows Rhyperior to take prevents a 2HKO from Metagross's Iron Head or Meteor Mash. Finally, while a Shuca Berry allows Rhyperior to avoid a 2HKO from almost any Earthquake. Rock Gem and Ground Gem allows Rhyperior to turn 2HKOs into clean OHKOs. Some damage calculations below show how much type-resist berries aid Rhyperior in battle: (add colon. Same for each damage calculation below, after the word ''Berry.'')

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>252 Atk Adamant Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Babiri Berry: 33.9% - 40.1%<li>
    <li>Fight Gem 252 Atk Adamant Hitmontop Close Combat vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Chople Berry: 47.7% - 56.2%<li>
    <li>252 Atk Adamant Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP Brave Rhyperior with a Shuca Berry: 33.2% - 38.9%<li>
    </ul>
    </p> (remove extra line space. We no longer use Team Options; write about the Pokemon's teamamtes in AC.)
    [Team Options]
    <p>Obviously, in order for Rhyperior become to pose a major threat with this set, Trick Room support is needed. Pokemon that can fit this role include Dusclops, Reuniclus, Musharna, and Cresselia. Cresselia receives a special mention for this role; Cresselia it is immune to Earthquake and can destroy troublesome Fighting-types with Psychic. Dual screens support can also be used to increase Rhyperior's survival time longevity
    in battle. Rain teams can destroy Rhyperior with no problem, making Abomasnow a fantastic teammate; it can change the weather, and also destroy Grass- and Water-types with a STAB Grass Knot BlizzardandBlizzard Grass Knot, respectively. Pokemon that take very little to or no damage at all from Rhyperior's Earthquakes make great partners. Gyarados also receives a special mention is particularly effective because of its fantastic ability, Intimidate, which It allows Rhyperior to tank physical hits even better. In return, Rhyperior can lure away Electric-type attacks with Lightningrod.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Rhyperior's has an interesting large movepool consisting of includes some interesting alternative options such as Avalanche, the elemental punches, and elemental fangs, Rock Blast to break Substitutes, and Hammer Arm, and Rock Blast. In most cases, using these moves are is inadvisable due to the difficulty of finding space on a set. Rhyperior already has pretty good coverage, and using these moves ruins that. Hammer Arm would fit the best if you were to use any of these moves were to be used, however, because of the its additional effect. It hits Dark-types and Ferrothorn harder, and allows Rhyperior to "outslow" others in trick room actually makes Rhyperior ''faster'' with each use under Trick Room. Lastly, a Lum Berry could be used to give Rhyperior an answer to Will-O-Wisp and other status conditions.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Rain teams will absolutely demolish Rhyperior, as it has Rhyperior will have no hope surviving a rain-boosted Surf from common rain abusers. Bulky Ghost-types with Will-O-Wisp, such as Dusclops, can cripple all Rhyperior without a lacking Lum Berry. Breloom and Virizion resist Rhyperior's STABs, and can retaliate with Spore and Giga Drain, respectively. Gyarados and Htimontop can Intimidate Rhyperior and pick on his weaknesses Intimidate users such as Gyarados and Hitmontop can weaken Rhyperior's attacks and pick on its weaknesses. Garchomp's strong Earthquakes can 2HKO Rhyperior without a Shuca Berry. Metagross can also 2HKO Rhyperior with its strong Meteor Mash when it's not holding a Babiri Berry Without the right type-resist berry, Rhyperior is also vulnerable to a 2HKO from certain attacks, such as Garchomp's Earthquake when it isn't holding a Shuca Berry, and Metagross's Meteor Mash when it is without a Babiri Berry.</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p>As a Dream World ability, Rhyperior receives Reckless from the Dream World. While this may seem to be great on a powerful physical attacker like Rhyperior at first, it's almost completely useless. The only move that would benefit from this ability is Double-Edge, which Rhyperior cannot fit on any moveset. Lightningrod and Solid Rock outclass this ability completely.</p>


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    Thanks for the second GP check Calm Pokemaster. This analysis is now finished.

    Edit: NVM my mistake.
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    He didn't give you a GP badge. And he said it wasn't finished.
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    I know this is late, but Rock Blast should be mentioned in OO.
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    Okay. I'll add it in.
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    This analysis is now finished.
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    I noticed a few issues in the Additional Comments.

    -The damage calculations portion are done assuming Level 100s. The damage dealt is slightly different when both Pokemon are level 50 like in VGC.

    -The Garchomp Earthquake Calculation is for a single target Earthquake, but those rarely happen in VGC. So it might be better to change the example. Something like Life Orb Mamoswine's multitarget Earthquake, which is similar in strength.

    -Based on the calculations, Rhyperior does NOT avoid a 2HKO from Meteor Mash since the Babiri Berry would get used up from the first Meteor Mash, which is guaranteed to do more than 1/3 of Rhyperior's HP.

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