Riolu【BW2 Analysis】【QC: 3/3】【GP: 2/2】

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  1. Trinitrotoluene

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    I could probably give Magnet Rise a sentence in AC, but it definitely is a lesser option, since Substitute grants Riolu protection from powerful attacks of all types, as well as status. Also, I'll try to get all of this written up by next Sunday. Sorry for not getting this done sooner. Family and personal priorities are first on my list.
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    Alright. I'm done writing this up.
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    Leftovers needs AC since it fares better vs sand teams than evio
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    I just did some experimenting, and have discovered that if you use Sleep Talk, selects Roar, and then use Copycat on the turn you wake up, you use Roar. And since Sleep Talk can't select Copycat, it has a 50/50 chance of selecting Roar, (guaranteed if it doesn't have a 4th move, if you predict the opponent is going to put you to sleep).

    I know it's pretty gimmicky & luck based, but maybe you could give Sleep Talk a mention in Other Options.
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    It's not that they're not legal together, it's that Copycat fails when you try to use it with Circle Throw. You can see numerous people pointing that out in the thread you cite.
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    Ah, Riolu. King of the surprisingly effective gimmick strategies.

    Hopefully this analysis will get him used some in OU, Riolu matches are pretty fun. (Although they'll make him more known, which is a problem for him.)

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    [Overview]¶

    <p>Giving Riolu its own OU analysis may seem like a joke at first glance thanks to its bantam base stats, none of which exceed 70, but the Dream World has bestowed upon it a gift that makes common annoyers such as Jirachi and SubProtect Gliscor seem like pleasures to battle against: Prankster. With Prankster and its access to Copycat and Roar, Riolu can take on a niche as a priority phazer, something that no other Pokemon in the entire game can emulate. In addition, with the aforementioned combination of Prankster and Copycat, Riolu can also serve as an emergency revenge killer against severely weakened Pokemon.</p>¶

    <p>However, not all is good for this little jackal, for there remain quite a few ways of derailing its Copycat to -Roar strategy. Just like any Pokemon with Prankster, Magic Bounce Pokemon can turn Riolu's strategy over on its head (In this case, by reflecting its priority phazing back upon it). In addition, Pokemon with Magic Guard can afford to be tossed around by Riolu, thanks to their effective immunity to hazard damage. Also, Protect users and faster priority attacks throw Riolu off, since Protect always goes before priority moves. In addition, Riolu is incredibly frail, even with an Eviolite attached to it, Riolu is incredibly frail, so it requires an immense amount of support to get off that first Roar off. However, it would be absurd to disregard Riolu as a threat, because once it gets that first Roar off, Riolu can win the game for you if played right.</p>¶

    [SET]¶
    name: pawns like dog¶
    move 1: Copycat¶
    move 2: Roar¶
    move 3: Drain Punch / Hi Jump Kick¶
    move 4: Substitute¶
    item: Eviolite¶
    nature: Careful¶
    ability: Prankster¶
    evs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 96 SpD / 52 Spe¶

    [SET COMMENTS]¶

    <p>As mentioned in the Overview, Riolu is the only Pokemon in the game with the ability to priority phaze, thanks to Prankster and its movepool, which contains both Roar and Copycat. After hazards have been laid down, Riolu can use Roar and Copycat to severely weaken, and in many cases
    even sweep the opponent's team. Copycat and Roar are placed in the first two moveslots, since they form the crux of Riolu's strategy. Drain Punch gives Riolu a means of attacking when Copycat runs out of PP, and Substitute gives Riolu a safety blanket against priority moves and status.</p>¶

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]¶

    <p>The EVs and nature, factoring in the Eviolite boost, give Riolu 283 HP, 216 Defense, and 231 Special Defense, factoring in the Eviolite's boost, and enough speed to Copycat a Roar before Scizor Bullet Punches Riolu into oblivion. Alternatively, a faster spread of 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe can be used with a Timid nature and Focus Sash if you want Riolu to outpace threats up to Adamant Breloom, which Riolu outspeeds by one point. Some EVs can be allotted to Special Attack if you need Riolu to Copycat attacks such as Starmie's Thunder and Latios's Draco Meteor. Riolu can run one of Sunny Day or Rain Dance if opposing weather is a bother to it.</p>¶

    <p>Due to the nature of Riolu's strategy, entry hazards are absolutely mandatory when using it. Deoxys-D stands out among all those that can supply the hazards demanded by Riolu since it can get Stealth Rock and at least one layer of Spikes down quickly, thanks to its respectable speed for a Spiker. A spinblocker can and should be used to keep hazards up on the opponent's side of the field so Riolu can complete its phazing job with little difficulties. Among the spinblockers available, Gengar works best, due to its incredible speed and offensive prowess. Wobbuffet and Gothitelle can both assume the role of the trapper, thanks to their access to Shadow Tag, but both, despite having the same overall job, execute it in different ways. Wobbuffet can Encore set-up moves such as Swords Dance or Substitute, granting more switch-in opportunities so Riolu can get its game going. Gothitelle, on the other hand, can utilizse a Choice Scarf and beat Pokemon that could possibly impede Riolu's priority phazing game, such as Gliscor, Breloom, and Tornadus-T. Scarf Gothitelle can also beat Starmie, other Spinners, and Magic Bounce Pokemon, giving more leeway to Riolu and any hazard setters being used alongside it. Riolu enjoys having a faster late-game sweeper like Salamence or Breloom that can clean up the remains of teams that Riolu has chewed through.</p>¶

    [Other Options]¶

    <p>Riolu doesn't exactly have much to abuse with Prankster, other than Agility, Iron Defense, Toxic and Screech. Agility bolsters Riolu's Speed, allowing it to Copycat a Roar before Breloom's Mach Punch or Mamoswine's Ice Shard hits it, and Iron Defense steels Riolu against attacks like Terrakion's Close Combat or Garchomp's Earthquake. Toxic helps break apart bulky walls with recovery moves and gives Riolu a way to annoy the opponent even after Copycat runs out of PP. If Riolu is paired up with a physical attacker, Screech is an option that helps force even more switches. Crunch hits both Magic Bouncers super-effectively, but is otherwise an unreliable option.</p>¶

    [Checks and Counters]¶

    <p>Riolu's largest fears are Xatu and Espeon, since they can turn Riolu's Copycat + Roar game against it. Xatu and Espeon, while also resisting Riolu's STAB and carrying moves that hit it super-effectively. Alakazam, Reuniclus, Bronzong, and Gliscor don't exactly mind being phazed by Riolu, thanks to their abilities and typing (in Bronzong's case). Also, Mr. Mime and other Pokemon with Soundproof will stop the chain in its tracks, thanks to their effective immunity to Roar. With the given EV spread, Riolu can Copycat a Roar against slower priority users such as Choice Band Scizor, but its priority phazing strategy falls flat against any Pokemon with a priority move and a speed stat greater than 169. Examples of such Pokemon are Dragonite, Mamoswine, Breloom, and anything with Fake Out and ExtremeSpeed, moves that transcend the priority given to Riolu's moves by Prankster. Protect ruins Riolu's Copycat + Roar game for the exact same reasons as Fake Out and ExtremeSpeed.</p> ¶




    Comments:
    I replaced Copycat to Roar with Copycat-Roar. I don't think that's the best way, but it needs replacing even so
    Where you mention that protect and faster priorities mess up Riolu, you just say "because protect outspeeds all priorities". Maybe say something about how both go before his copycat roar, and thus force him to copycat those moves instead?(And how priority moves will probably 2hitko him?)
    "All those that can supply the hazards demanded by riolu". Overly long, please change.
    After review, the whole 'trapper' section is just kind of off. Why not just replace it with a Wobbuffett and a Gothitelle section? You've said yourself that they do that job in totally different ways, and in fact they accomplish totally different things.
    Pretty sure Tornadus-T is banned. Although Tornadus-I does have prankster Taunt, which is a bigger problem for riolu.
    You mention one spinblocker, and it's the easiest spinblocker to kill in OU? At least give Jellicent a mention.
    "Thanks to their abilities and typing(In bronzong's case)." The paranthese section is not really necessary, and Gliscor owes the uncaring to its typing as well. If you made it a pure flying or ground type, it'd dislike being phased too.
    You mention dragonite and then "any poke with espeed". Unless there are a lot of aqua jet dnites, you might want to use another third pokemon. (Perhaps weavile, although you can drain punch its face off.)
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    [Overview]¶

    <p>Giving Riolu its own OU analysis may seem like a joke at first glance thanks to its bantam base stats, none of which exceed 70, but the Dream World has bestowed upon it a gift that makes common annoyers such as Jirachi and SubProtect Gliscor seem like pleasures to battle against: Prankster. With Prankster and its access to Copycat and Roar, Riolu can take on a niche as a priority phazer, something that no other Pokemon in the entire game can emulate. In addition, with the aforementioned combination of Prankster and Copycat, Riolu can also serve as an emergency revenge killer against severely weakened Pokemon.</p>¶

    <p>However, not all is good for this little jackal, for there remain quite a few ways of derailing its Copycat to -Roar strategy. Just like any Pokemon with Prankster, Magic Bounce Pokemon can turn Riolu's strategy over on its head (In this case, by reflecting its priority phazing back upon it). In addition, Pokemon with Magic Guard can afford to be tossed around by Riolu, thanks to their effective immunity to hazard damage. Also, Protect users and faster priority attacks throw Riolu off, since Protect always goes before priority moves. In addition, Riolu is incredibly frail, even with an Eviolite attached to it, Riolu is incredibly frail, so it requires an immense amount of support to get off that first Roar off. However, it would be absurd to disregard Riolu as a threat, because once it gets that first Roar off, Riolu can win the game for you if played right.</p>¶

    [SET]¶
    name: pawns like dog¶
    move 1: Copycat¶
    move 2: Roar¶
    move 3: Drain Punch / Hi Jump Kick¶
    move 4: Substitute¶
    item: Eviolite¶
    nature: Careful¶
    ability: Prankster¶
    evs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 96 SpD / 52 Spe¶

    [SET COMMENTS]¶

    <p>As mentioned in the Overview, Riolu is the only Pokemon in the game with the ability to priority phaze, thanks to Prankster and its movepool, which contains both Roar and Copycat. After hazards have been laid down, Riolu can use Roar and Copycat to severely weaken, and in many cases
    even sweep the opponent's team. Copycat and Roar are placed in the first two moveslots, since as they form the crux of Riolu's strategy. Drain Punch gives Riolu a means of attacking when Copycat runs out of PP, and Substitute gives provides Riolu with a safety blanket against priority moves and status.</p>¶

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]¶

    <p>The EVs and nature, factoring in the Eviolite boost, give Riolu 283 HP, 216 Defense, and 231 Special Defense, factoring in the Eviolite's boost, and enough speed to Copycat a Roar before Scizor Bullet Punches Riolu into oblivion. Alternatively, a faster spread of 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe can be used with a Timid nature and Focus Sash if you want Riolu to outpace threats up to Adamant Breloom, which Riolu outspeeds by one point. Some EVs can be allotted to Special Attack if you need Riolu to Copycat attacks such as Starmie's Thunder and Latios's Draco Meteor. Riolu can run one of Sunny Day or Rain Dance if opposing weather is a bother to it.</p>¶

    <p>Due to the nature of Riolu's strategy, entry hazards are absolutely mandatory when using it. Deoxys-D stands out among all those that can supply the hazards demanded by Riolu since it can get Stealth Rock and at least one layer of Spikes down quickly, thanks to its respectable speed for a Spikes user. A spinblocker can and should be used to keep hazards up on the opponent's side of the field so Riolu can complete its phazing job with little difficulties. Among the spinblockers available, Gengar works best, due to its incredible speed and offensive prowess. Wobbuffet and Gothitelle can both assume the role of the trapper, thanks to their access to Shadow Tag, but both, despite having the same overall job, execute it in different ways. Wobbuffet can Encore set-up moves such as Swords Dance or Substitute, granting more switch-in opportunities so Riolu can get its game going. Gothitelle, on the other hand, can utilizse a Choice Scarf and beat Pokemon that could possibly impede Riolu's priority phazing game, such as Gliscor, Breloom, and Tornadus-T. Scarf Gothitelle can also beat Starmie, other Spinners, and Magic Bounce Pokemon, giving more leeway to Riolu and any hazard setters being used alongside it. Riolu enjoys having a faster late-game sweeper like Salamence or Breloom that can clean up the remains of teams that Riolu has chewed through.</p>¶

    [Other Options]¶

    <p>Riolu doesn't exactly have much to abuse with Prankster, other than Agility, Iron Defense, Toxic and Screech. Agility bolsters Riolu's Speed, allowing it to Copycat a Roar before Breloom's Mach Punch or Mamoswine's Ice Shard hits it, and Iron Defense braces steels Riolu for against attacks like such as Terrakion's Close Combat or Garchomp's Earthquake. Toxic helps break apart bulky walls with recovery moves and gives Riolu a way to annoy the opponent even after Copycat runs out of PP. If Riolu is paired up with a physical attacker, Screech is an option that helps force even more switches. Crunch hits both Magic Bouncers super effectively, but is otherwise an unreliable option.</p>¶

    [Checks and Counters]¶

    <p>Riolu's largest fears are Xatu and Espeon, since they can turn Riolu's Copycat + Roar game against it. Xatu and Espeon, while also resisting Riolu's STAB and carrying moves that hit it super effectively. Alakazam, Reuniclus, Bronzong, and Gliscor don't exactly mind being phazed by Riolu, thanks to their abilities and typing (in Bronzong's case). Also, Mr. Mime and other Pokemon with Soundproof will stop the chain in its tracks, thanks to their effective immunity to Roar. With the given EV spread, Riolu can Copycat a Roar against slower priority users such as Choice Band Scizor, but its priority phazing strategy falls flat against any Pokemon with a priority move and a Speed stat greater than 169. Examples of such Pokemon are Dragonite, Mamoswine, Breloom, and anything with Fake Out and ExtremeSpeed, moves that transcend the priority given to Riolu's moves by Prankster. Protect ruins Riolu's Copycat + Roar game for the exact same reasons as Fake Out and ExtremeSpeed.</p> ¶


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    Nicely done!!

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    Let's roll (and by roll, I mean get this on-site).

    EDIT 2: Forget that I ever took any preemptive action.
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