RNG NOC: GAME OVER

Wait, why would we lynch an important villager? Unless you meant mafia nightkill... or were you talking about the button on myself? Could have been hawk you were talking about, too, so that's a bit unclear. Back on topic, I might be wrong about hawk, but he's very active and I don't really see much scummy about him at all, and if I was putting the button on him in your view, then my answer is that I'm fairly sure the mafia is competent enough to notice who the good villagers are. So he's really townish so far as I can see, and unless I'm horribly wrong about him, the mafia know that, too (barring ludicrous incompetence that has not been displayed so far), so I'm not changing much by simply saying it.

Too lazy to look those up, maybe you could mention which ones they are?
Oh dammit, I just checked and I got the wrong opinion on you a while back. It still stands though that you got through pretty much on being experienced and not blatantly scum. Or you would have. Looking through, you have benefitted the town, but not massively. Eagle4 and Blackhawk have done more than you in my opinion. Also I was just saying to be a little more careful! :P

Things have been slow, so what is your opinion on Cereza, more than a bandwagon and "a little suspicious of you" please?

And someone generate some discussion...
 
Anyways...

I think Possible Scum is more scummy than Slight Scum. However, CBT was lynched, so he can hardly respond, Blackhawk11 actually did respond to my thoughts on him, and I've posted why I think Yoshinite is scummy, but not scummy enough for a lynch vote. Out of all my reads left, you were the only scum read I had which I wanted to vote for. You're seemingly trying to avoid responding to my read on you, I don't really know why.


By "killed", do you mean godkilled? I have no idea what you're implying by this comment. Your log of what I have done in this game kinda seems forced imo, like you're trying to find something that's not there.

"Jumps on the opportunity to say that Yoshinite is mafia": I never said Yoshinite was mafia, I said Yoshinite was mildly scummy, not enough for a lynch or anything of the sort.
"FoS Aura Guardian (WTF)": I FoSed him and explained why I did so, although I never took into account the possibility of him being Bodyguarded. I assumed that MS was BG'ed since he was requesting it and he most likely has a powerful Power Role.
" Refreshes his vote because of reset, and says that he doesn’t defend himself. Also says that Metal Sonic is focused on self-preservation (By the way, your lynching CBT for not doing that)": Sure I'm lynching CBT for not defending himself, but MS was only defending himself, and not helping the village whatsoever, so I wanted him to comment on players,etc.
First of all, I was going to post more on other people posting to capitalize on CBT and Woodchuck, but I am not. This is because I am focusing on arguing with Eagle4 at the moment.
Eagle4, I don't respond to the criticism that people offer me because I think that calling someone out by saying "I'm not scum!" is generally a bad idea. This is because it only makes people pressure you more on your scum-ness. I do completely agree with you that I have had some more scummy behavior in this game, mostly in the assistance of calling out of idle members. I was providing assistance to those people who were calling people out for being idle, because random voting is generally a bad idea, and that was what people were doing. I do agree that I got a little carried away at the next posts, because there wasn't a lost of information, and I like to use information. I am not going to defend myself from you calling me scum is I think that my behavior is scummy as well.

On the killed or god killed matter, I cannot tell you, but put these two post together.
I would tell you which one it is, but I cannot, because then I would be killed.
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Moving on, that was paraphrasing, listing your actions, and accusations of other people that i took notice at. Just remember, I am not doing this because I think you are scummy. I am doing this because you were the first to post useful information on day 2. If you will let me be, I will continue what I was doing. Also, if you look at MetalSonic's posts, they don't seem very oriented towards self preservation, unless your counting when he asked for a bodyguard.

By the amount of information that Eagle4 is posting in the thread, I think that he might be trying to be a major Ombuddsman in the village. I like the initiative.
 
So I've researched Masons, and they seem to be aligned with town. There's no way to prove that Obbmud99 is Mason or not, which is why I'm slightly reluctant to unvote, but Metal Sonic seemed like he knew that obbmud99 was village and could therefore be bluffing about having a huge power role, and he's a Mason as well? Idunno, this confuses me.

Unlynch Obbmud99

 
Vote Count 2.2 (aka the "Why do I suddenly look like a wolf?" vote count)

Lynch Votes

theangryscientist (1): Gronkasaurus Rex
Obbmud99 (0): Eagle4
Cereza (4): celever, Yoshinite, LightWolf, Aura Guardian
Fire Blast (0): Blackhawk11
LightWolf (0): Aura Guardian
Yoshinite (1): Metal Sonic


Not Voting (5): Blackhawk11, Cereza, Eagle4, Fire Blast, Obbmud99, theangryscientist,

Since there are 12 players, majority is 7 votes.

FoS count:

Aura Guardian (0): Eagle4
Metal Sonic (1): Obbmud99
Gronkasaurus Rex(1): Obbmud99
Yoshinite (2): blackhawk11, Aura Guardian
LightWolf (2): Eagle4, Aura Guardian
Blackhawk11 (2): Gronkasaurus Rex, Fire Blast

Not under suspicion: Aura Guardian, celever, Cereza, Eagle4, Fire Blast, Obbmud99, theangryscientist

Deadline is at 2:00 PM EST (GMT-5) on May 26th (57 hours away).

I will send a PM to every single player in the game, urging everyone to be active more often. This does not concern all of you, as some of you are active, but for good measure I'll send the PM to everyone anyways.
 
Ok guys, I will do a quick grouping of the town to try and get some discussion up:

Living players:
1. Aura Guardian
2. Blackhawk11
5. Cereza
6. Celever
7. Eagle4
8. Fire Blast
9. Gronkasaurus Rex
10. LightWolf
11. Metal Sonic
12. Obbmud99
13. theangryscientist
15. Yoshinite

Those of which are regularly posting:
1. Aura Guardian
2. Blackhawk11
6. Celever
7. Eagle4
11. Metal Sonic
12. Obbmud99

Those of which who make meaningful posts:
1. Aura Guardian
2. Blackhawk11
6. Celever
7. Eagle4
9. Gronkasaurus Rex (In my opinion he counts)
10. LightWolf (While his posts are few, they are pretty good)
12. Obbmud99

On the defense (and thus being defensive rather than ratting out, could get them into more trouble
13. theangryscientist
15. Yoshinite

People on none of the categorized lists:
5. Cereza
8. Fire Blast

Of which, people with an excuse:
8. Fire Blast

While that is mainly my thinking, I just though I would share it with you. It categorizes the living players decently, while obviously quite generally, and also shows Cereza as the only person not on any of the "good" lists. Also Fire Blast, you said you understand why Cereza is not posting as irl stuff, but she has never not been on for more than about 16 hours as far as I have seen.
 
Things have been slow, so what is your opinion on Cereza, more than a bandwagon and "a little suspicious of you" please?
I omitted your first paragraph because I really cannot tell what you're saying exactly in context (out of context, sure, but in context makes it a bit of "wait, what?")

Sorry for not replying yesterday, but I wasn't at 100% then and didn't think it would be good to try it then.

As for Cereza: I see a mostly fluff post, berates Metal Sonic for revealing he's a power role, agrees with me about dragging day on and comments on something about what hawk said and losing an experienced player. More fluff posts, including this gem. Strikes me as sort of hypocritical, don't you think? After reviewing that list Celever just posted (which I will trust without much in-depth verification because it seems reasonable), I actually sort of want to lynch Cereza unless she comes in with some very good ideas/explanations/defenses/etc.
 
Welcome MeowMixx! So since tas was one of the only people I have something on, care to post opinions on the following two players?

the_angry_scientist ; LightWolf

I'm p sure I have confused everyone at this point, so lets see. Firstly I want to see what your opinions is off yourself, let me see how biased you act on tas. As for me? I attacked you as soon as you subbed in, again a bias test, how do you assess me your attacker.
 
Hi quick post

Aura Guardian your post above (#310 lol) is really odd. "I actually sort of want to lynch cereza". It seems like a change from your usual firmness of stance
Hrmm and I would say like cb yesterday I don't think cereza is mafia, although I'm less sure. If she doesn't post I would be willing to lynch her because that actually is scummy, but before the day ends I really want to hear what meowmix posts (hi meow) and I want to hear more from fire blast and blackhawk.

Also my comment would be that it's so easy to shape what people post to make them look like mafia, and I really do think that's what aura guardian is doing (and celever to a lesser degree although that looks a lot more like town tunneling). Cereza's "gem" was about people who actually post (lol) so that's a bit of a misrepresentation.

Hrmm I guess I think that theangryscientist is still scummiest at the moment. Sorry man. meow.

Fire Blast's reads were pretty cool actually. Wait wait wait. Two things that are weird upon re-reading. He says that yoshinite is "noob town.. under pressure" but then says he is mafia. He says tas is suspicious but then gets a neutral read on him because of the sub. That's such an easy way for mafia to say they are suspicious of a teammate but then not have to put pressure on them or anything. Although I agree that aura guardian's play is probably more a result of experience then anything. So that post #287 is slightly mafia.

@Fire Blast; So you're saying that there is a blackhawk/obbmud scumteam? Is there anything else that led you to this conclusion or just blackhawks little list?

Also @eagle4 there are many different types of masons and I guess a lot of potential scenario's. Also blackhawk's translation makes it sound like obbmud doesn't think there are masons in the game idek.. Also mafia could have been given safe claims, seeing as this is a beginner game. Hmmm this kinda stuff is just, i dunno really don't want to think about it until late game. What do you think about cereza? Actually what do you think about her, lightwolf, metal sonic and fire blast?

buibui
 
Everyone has posted before explaining things. >_>

also Gronkasaurus stop making me self-conscious about the size of my posts. "Hi just a quick post here of 5000 words that also includes its own thesis and references section." An exaggeration, but barely :P

I'll post more tonight. I started watching Arrested Development (for the first time) so I'll post in between episodes.
 
Aura Guardian your post above (#310 lol) is really odd. "I actually sort of want to lynch cereza". It seems like a change from your usual firmness of stance
Well, I only hopped on the wagon to pressure Cereza, but upon reviewing the posts, I'm actually leaning towards Cereza scum as well as towards Cereza needs to post more. So really, I didn't have a stance on ... her? and started forming one when looking at her posts.
Hrmm and I would say like cb yesterday I don't think cereza is mafia, although I'm less sure. If she doesn't post I would be willing to lynch her because that actually is scummy, but before the day ends I really want to hear what meowmix posts (hi meow) and I want to hear more from fire blast and blackhawk.
I would love to hear what they have to say, too, and I just hope they aren't like CBTerrakion was.
Also my comment would be that it's so easy to shape what people post to make them look like mafia, and I really do think that's what aura guardian is doing (and celever to a lesser degree although that looks a lot more like town tunneling). Cereza's "gem" was about people who actually post (lol) so that's a bit of a misrepresentation.
First: Yes, I'm starting to shape what people post to make them look like mafia because I hope to provoke them to post in their defense so we can get a better view of all of them.

Second: Um, ok, I'll check Cereza's gem post and double-check the context. I'm not about to go through 300+ posts for 100% context on the reads I form - I've done reads on over half the remaining players, I think. However, I will review that one to make sure I didn't misrepresent it as the opposite of what it is. However, going by memory here, the post was suspicious of those who had posted without contributing.

*Goes off to review the gem*

Ok, yes, it was in general about those that posted a lot without doing much. However, take it back another level. It is more about the "under the radar" posting style, which she accuses Obbmud99 of... I can sort of see where she? is coming from there, though Obbmud99's changed since then and contributed a lot. However, Cereza's posting style strikes me as trying to stay mostly under the radar and not really contributing much at all, so I still see a bit against her(?). As such, my vote stands (would even if I had been completely wrong about that post rather than reasonably accurate but for the wrong reasons, but that's because I want Cereza to POST MORE).

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Fast way to get more info, guys: fling accusations around with some reasoning and see how people respond, then later someone else accuses the accusations to see how the person formerly accusing responds... really, might be a fast way to stir up discussion, which is in short supply right now.
 

Cereza

Tastes Like Candy
Hey guys! I'm really sorry for nat being able to post anything in the last couple of days. I'm getting out of the hospital tomorrow though so if you could give me a chance I would appreciate it. I know I should had mention it before but I am not allowed to use a computer and most of the time I was "online" was through my phone.

Anyways, like I said, I will be discharged tomorrow morning.
 
holla

@blackhawk11 sorry haha. My life is like always going over word limits and saying I'll be quick but then ranting forever = p

@aura guardian; I agree that flinging accusations (sometimes without reason) around is really helpful (especially d1) and I can see that potentially that's what you were trying to do. I just don't like people assuming you're town solely on the basis of your activity and I want people to look at your posts and analyse them to get a read based on what and why you say as opposed to how much.

As I was writing this I saw cereza viewing the thread so yeah hi @cereza! Who do you think is most likely mafia (could you say maybe three people, not as a scumteam or anything but yeah what do you think)?

Yoshinite's fos of metal sonic is odd. Can you explain it a bit more @yohsinite?

kdonebye
 
Hey guys! I'm really sorry for nat being able to post anything in the last couple of days. I'm getting out of the hospital tomorrow though so if you could give me a chance I would appreciate it. I know I should had mention it before but I am not allowed to use a computer and most of the time I was "online" was through my phone.

Anyways, like I said, I will be discharged tomorrow morning.
While you have been lurking here rather than posting, so the hospital excuse is probably legitimate, you also posted 2 days ago in the wifi forums. I kinda doubt you would have had time to make only one post, and if so why would you not have found Shinyskarm or More Cowbell on irc? You linked irc in the post, so you clearly had access to it. Also you could have just typed "srry in hospital can't post" or something in this thread on your phone. And the posts you have made are still suspicious, so I would like to see a defense from you in your next post tomorrow. There has been quite a lot on you you need to answer, two posts from me and one or two from Aura Guardian, and Gronk mentioned you too. (Maybe more that I cannot remember)

However, I'm not going to make the mistake and I must mention that later today I am going on holiday for a week. I would prefer not to be subbed out if I cannot be subbed back in again in a week, I'm not sure how subs work.
 
When you are going on a one-week holiday, you will need to be subbed out. Chance exists that you can get back into the game later, but we're not certain of that. You can't just miss a week of the game, though, that's just too much.

About Cereza not finding any of us on IRC: neither I nor shinyskarmory are too active on IRC, so you won't always be able to find us there.
 
Hey guys! I'm really sorry for nat being able to post anything in the last couple of days. I'm getting out of the hospital tomorrow though so if you could give me a chance I would appreciate it. I know I should had mention it before but I am not allowed to use a computer and most of the time I was "online" was through my phone.

Anyways, like I said, I will be discharged tomorrow morning.
Fair enough. unvote Cereza. I hope you're feeling better.
@aura guardian; I agree that flinging accusations (sometimes without reason) around is really helpful (especially d1) and I can see that potentially that's what you were trying to do. I just don't like people assuming you're town solely on the basis of your activity and I want people to look at your posts and analyse them to get a read based on what and why you say as opposed to how much
Wonderful! Now if only other people could try being more suspicious of me, too.
 

Cereza

Tastes Like Candy
I have already stated my reasons why to vote Cereza. This is in no way a bandwagon vote. Cereza has been playing very passively, and non-aggresive. She didn't even vote round one! I simply forgot to vote for her before. (thanks for reminding me)
Lynch Cereza
I'm a very passive player, mind you. that's just how I play the game.
cereza being the hospital is scummy btw
Could you please explain how been in the hospital makes you scum?

While you have been lurking here rather than posting, so the hospital excuse is probably legitimate, you also posted 2 days ago in the wifi forums. I kinda doubt you would have had time to make only one post, and if so why would you not have found Shinyskarm or More Cowbell on irc? You linked irc in the post, so you clearly had access to it. Also you could have just typed "srry in hospital can't post" or something in this thread on your phone. And the posts you have made are still suspicious, so I would like to see a defense from you in your next post tomorrow. There has been quite a lot on you you need to answer, two posts from me and one or two from Aura Guardian, and Gronk mentioned you too. (Maybe more that I cannot remember)


However, I'm not going to make the mistake and I must mention that later today I am going on holiday for a week. I would prefer not to be subbed out if I cannot be subbed back in again in a week, I'm not sure how subs work.

I posted that because that person had been spamming my inbox about it, haha. I do have access to IRc on my phone but it kills my battery and not only that, wifi is p much the only channel I visit.


Anyways, I didn't say anything until I was back. One, because I didn't want to sub out and 2 because I thought that would only put unnecessary pressure on me. Sorry, I'm not good with pressure.
 
Could you please explain how been in the hospital makes you scum?
I'm fairly sure that was a bit tasteless joke there. Either way considering the circumstances, I will gladly unvote Cereza.

Instead that this Vote MeowMixx, feeeeeeeeel the pressure!!!!!