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Rotom (Bulky) (Update) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Jukain, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. Jukain

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    Rotom

    [SET]
    name: Bulky
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Will-O-Wisp
    move 4: Pain Split
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Timid
    evs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Rotom is usually seen shocking its opponents with its great Speed and Special Attack, it can also pull off a decent defensive set thanks to its great resistances and access to Pain Split. These attributes allow Rotom to function as a check to many top-tier attackers, including the extraordinarily powerful Escavalier. Rotom's resistance to both Iron Head and Megahorn means it can wall and stall as much as it wants. Rotom's Ghost typing allows it to function as a spinblocker, and a pretty good one at that. Rotom is one of the only Ghost-types that can beat Kabutops, with Cofagrigus being the only other contender. Furthermore, many players will be taken by surprise by Will-O-Wisp, as more offensive sets have no room for it. However, one should keep in mind that Rotom's defenses are not impregnable, so it's best used on a balanced team.</p>

    <p>Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball provide excellent coverage—hitting everything neutrally bar Ferroseed. Rotom's dual STAB enables it to hit every common spinner and deal with threats such as Gallade, Tauros, and Absol, even without investment. Pain Split keeps Rotom in top shape throughout the match, and is an excellent tool to wear down opposing Pokemon when Rotom has low health. Pain Split also helps Rotom survive when taking Megahorns from Escavalier. Will-O-Wisp is Rotom's greatest weapon against physical attackers and makes this set much more threatening. It also provides constant residual damage to help Rotom KO foes with greater ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The Speed EVs given allow Rotom to outrun Adamant Kabutops and Braviary; this helps Rotom switch in and KO them the following turn with Thunderbolt. Choice Band Braviary's Brave Bird will 2HKO Rotom after Stealth Rock damage, but with the given EVs Rotom can outspeed and KO it. Jolly variants fail to 2HKO Rotom, making more Speed investment unnecessary. The remaining EVs maximize Rotom's physical bulk, capitalizing on Defense rather than HP as it allows Rotom to recover a higher percentage from Pain Split.</p>

    <p>Discharge can be used over Thunderbolt for its higher paralysis rate, but the additional power that Thunderbolt provides is invaluable. Furthermore, the chance of paralysis may conflict with your plans to burn a strong physical attacker. The RestTalk combination can be used over Pain Split and Will-O-Wisp to heal off any status that Rotom may be afflicted with, most notably Toxic; however, Will-O-Wisp is absolutely vital to this set, providing residual damage and making physical attackers much less threatening. Even Pain Split plays a vital role in wearing down opponents—not to mention that Sleep Talk is unreliable, with a 33% chance of picking Rest and doing nothing. In addition to all this, BW's sleep mechanics make RestTalk an even less viable option. However, if you really don't want Rotom statused and cannot provide cleric support, RestTalk is your best possible option.</p>

    <p>Unlike other Rotom variants, this set requires different types of support. It appreciates entry hazards to wear down opponents, and thanks to its Ghost typing, can keep them up easily. Crustle, Smeargle, Accelgor, Ferroseed, and Roselia are all excellent choices for the job. Cleric support is also recommended as Toxic can spell doom for Rotom, making it unable to stay in for very long and tank hits. Clefable is the best choice for this, also providing Wish support for Rotom and its teammates. Although Rotom has its own recovery, Pain Split isn't reliable enough because it doesn't do a lot to targets at a low range of health or with a generally low HP stat. Nidoqueen and Rotom complement each other perfectly; Rotom is immune to Nidoqueen's Ground-type weakness and Nidoqueen enjoys having physical attackers burned and having entry hazards up when it comes in. Steelix is another wonderful partner as it can switch into Ghost- and Dark-type moves aimed at Rotom and set up Stealth Rock. Mandibuzz also covers Rotom's weaknesses, and in return Rotom can take Megahorn from Escavalier as well as burn Aggron in a pinch.</p>
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    EV spread of 252 HP / 76 Spe / 180 Def with a Timid nature is probably better than the current spread. This allows Rotom to outspeed Max Speed Adamant Kabutops as well as Braviary, making Rotom a solid switch into CB Braviary.

    Definitely talk a bit about how it is the only spin blocker in RU that is not grounded, as well as being the only spinblocker that has a shot to beat Spin Kabutops if it plays correctly (with 260 Speed that is).

    Also just letting you know i'm only using Timid cause its the most efficient if if you are going to be running 260 Speed and gains 2 more points in Defense over a Bold 260 Speed Rotom.

    edit: change around partners too. drapion is no longer the best rotom partner thaks to the presence of nidoqueen. will edit this later
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    Adamant CB Brave Bird does 50-60% to Rotom with August's spread, and Jolly does 46-54%. Just thought it might be interesting to bring that up.

    Also, the set is a little too slashy right now. Get rid of that first WoW slash with Shadow Ball. Using WoW with RestTalk may seem tempting, but using it over Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt leaves you walled by Normal or Ground-types. RestTalk should have both attacking moves (honestly I hate RestTalk on Pokemon with better options) while Pain Split should be used with WoW. I'd prefer Pain Split and WoW slashed first.

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  4. Jukain

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    Kabutops is important enough to warrant that spread. Thanks, I'll include it.
    Will do.
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    Why not take a few HP evs and put them into Def, so that Rotom can survive 2 Jolly CB BB without SR up and ohko back with Tbolt?

    If we use 180 HP / 252 Def instead of 252 / 180 HP, then Rotom has 5.47% to get 2hkoed by CB Jolly BB w/o SR after Lefties, while with the other spread it has 10.94% chance (exactly twice the chance). So with this spread you will only die half the time that you would if you run max HP, while also making Pain Split more effective, due to less HP. I don't know if the Spcial bulk loss is too big and if this matters, but Rotom will be taking on physical attackers more often than not, so maybe it is worth it?
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    I like this idea, I think I'll put it in the analysis.
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    A nitpick.
    This goes in AC.
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    That is not necessarily true. It is a compelling reason to use bulky Rotom, it stays in Set Comments.
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    [SET]
    • Will-O-Wisp should be the third move. That's really important imo, especially for Absol, Spiritomb, and Escavalier. It also wears down Cryogonal and hurts Sandslash, which is important.

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • "only spinblocker that has a shot at beating Kabutops" - Cofagrigus has a shot as well
    • RestTalk should just be moved to AC in my opinion, as there are so many things that beat Rotom that it won't really have time to use the moves as effectively as Pain Split :(

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Please don't c/p from the current analysis >.<
    • Do not make out Rotom to be a good spinblocker
    • Don't mention Toxic Spikes, we shouldn't be encouraging people to use bad moves among other things
    • Don't mention Audino and Lickilicky lol, Clefable instead
    • The whole AC needs to be rewritten imo, so don't just copy what the last analysis said, it was written in a much different metagame!

    Anyways I think that's a good EV spread, although I might have heard of a better one, don't remember. Good job so far :D

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    Made the changes, any other partners I need to mention?
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    Do what i told you on irc and you can consider this

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    This is written and ready for GP checks.
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    [SET]
    name: Bulky
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Will-O-Wisp
    move 4: Pain Split
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Timid
    evs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Rotom is usually seen using offensive sets due to its great Speed and Special Attack, it has also has a lot of useful resistances along with decent defenses. These attributes allows Rotom to function effectively as a check to many top-tier attackers, including the extraordinarily powerful Escavalier. Rotom's resistances to Escavalier's STABs grant it the ability to take Iron Heads all day long and even two rounds of Megahorn. Rotom's Ghost typing allows it to function as a spinblocker, and a pretty good one at that. Rotom is the spinblocker that's most likely to beat Kabutops, with Cofagrigus being the only other contender. In addition, many players may not expect Rotom to have Will-O-Wisp, as more offensive sets usually have no room for it. However, one should keep in mind that Rotom is really not all that bulky, and so is best on balanced teams.</p>

    <p>With Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball, Rotom has excellent coverage against most Pokemon in the RU tier, the combination being resisted by only Ferroseed. They allow Rotom to hit every common spinner, and allow it to check threats such as Gallade, Tauros, and Absol, as well as backing a decent amount of power even without investment. Pain Split keeps Rotom in top shape throughout the match, and is an excellent tool to wear down opposing Pokemon when Rotom has low health. Taking two Megahorns from Escavalier can turn into three or even four when accounting for Pain Split with it. Will-O-Wisp is Rotom's greatest weapon against physical attackers and makes this set much more threatening. It also provides constant residual damage to help Rotom KO foes with one of its STAB moves.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given Speed EVs allow Rotom to outrun Adamant Kabutops and Braviary. This allows Rotom to switch in and KO the following turn with Thunderbolt, meaning Rotom can come in to spinblock against Kabutops and effectively dispose of it. Against Braviary, Choice Band Brave Bird from Adamant variants will 2HKO after Stealth Rock damage, but Rotom outruns it with the given EVs; Jolly variants fail to 2HKO, making more Speed investment unnecessary. The remaining EVs maximize bulk on the physical side, with more Defense than HP making it less bulky overall but allowing it to recover more from Pain Split and take less from most physical attacks.</p>

    <p>Discharge can be used over Thunderbolt for spreading paralysis, but the additional power that Thunderbolt provides is invaluable in many cases (list examples or just remove "in many cases"), making it a somewhat inferior choice. The infamous RestTalk combination can be used instead of Pain Split and Will-O-Wisp to heal off any status that Rotom may be afflicted with, most notably Toxic. However, Will-O-Wisp is absolutely vital to this set, providing residual damage and making physical attackers much less threatening. Even Pain Split is helpful to wear down opponents, not to mention that Sleep Talk is unreliable, with a 33% chance of picking Rest and doing nothing and a 50/50 chance of picking the wrong attack if it doesn't pick Rest. In addition to all this, BW's sleep mechanics make RestTalk an even less viable option. However, if you really don't want Rotom statused and cannot provide cleric support, RestTalk is your best possible option.</p>

    <p>Unlike other Rotom variants, this set requires many different types of support. It loves entry hazards to wear down opponents, and can keep them up easily. Crustle, Smeargle, Accelgor, Ferroseed, and Roselia are all excellent choices for the job. Cleric support is also appreciated, as Toxic can spell doom for Rotom, making it unable to stay in for very long and tank hits. Clefable is the best choice for this, also providing Wish support that Rotom and its teammates appreciate, as even though Rotom has its own recovery, Pain Split isn't reliable because it is useless against targets at a low range of health or with a generally low HP stat. Nidoqueen pairs up excellently with Rotom, as Rotom is immune to its Ground-type weakness and Nidoqueen enjoys having physical attackers being weakened by burn and having entry hazards up when it comes in. Steelix is a wonderful partner because it resists Ghost- and Dark-type moves and can set up the Stealth Rock that Rotom loves. Mandibuzz is similar to Steelix in that it resists Rotom's weaknesses, and Rotom can take Megahorns from Escavalier as well as burn Aggron where Mandibuzz is OHKOed by the latter and takes a lot of damage from the former.</p>


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    implemented, ready for one more!
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    [contain comments] remove add Change

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    implemented the check except for the superlative change because the superlative sounds better than your replacement. thanks!!!
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    [SET]
    name: Bulky
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Will-O-Wisp
    move 4: Pain Split
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Timid
    evs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Rotom is usually seen using offensive sets thanks to its great Speed and Special Attack, it has also has a lot of useful resistances along with decent defenses. These attributes allow Rotom to function effectively as a check to many top-tier attackers, including the extraordinarily powerful Escavalier. Rotom's resistances to both of Escavalier's STAB moves grant it the ability to take Iron Heads all day long and even two rounds of Megahorn. Rotom's Ghost typing allows it to function as a spinblocker, and a pretty good one at that. Rotom is the spinblocker that's most likely to beat Kabutops, with Cofagrigus being the only other contender. In addition, many players may not expect Rotom to have Will-O-Wisp, as more offensive sets usually have no room for it. However, one should keep in mind that Rotom's defenses are not impregnable, and so it is best used on balanced teams.</p>

    <p>With Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball, Rotom has excellent coverage against most Pokemon in the RU tier, the combination being resisted by only Ferroseed. Rotom’s dual STABs enable it to hit every common spinner, and allow it to check threats such as Gallade, Tauros, and Absol, as well as backing a decent amount of power even without investment. Pain Split keeps Rotom in top shape throughout the match, and is an excellent tool to wear down opposing Pokemon when Rotom has low health. Taking two Megahorns from Escavalier can turn into three or even four when accounting for Pain Split recovery. Will-O-Wisp is Rotom's greatest weapon against physical attackers and makes this set much more threatening. It also provides constant residual damage to help Rotom KO foes with greater ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given Speed EVs allow Rotom to outrun Adamant Kabutops and Braviary. This allows Rotom to switch in and KO the following turn with Thunderbolt, meaning Rotom can come in to spinblock against Kabutops and effectively dispose of it. Against Braviary, Choice Band Brave Bird from Adamant variants will 2HKO Rotom after Stealth Rock damage, but Rotom outruns it with the given EVs; Jolly variants fail to 2HKO, making more Speed investment unnecessary. The remaining EVs maximize bulk on the physical side, with more Defense than HP making it less bulky overall but allowing it to recover more from Pain Split and take less from most physical attacks.</p>

    <p>Discharge can be used over Thunderbolt for spreading paralysis, but the additional power that Thunderbolt provides is invaluable, making it a somewhat inferior choice. On top of this, the chance of paralysis may ruin your plans to burn a strong physical attacker. The infamous RestTalk combination can be used instead of Pain Split and Will-O-Wisp to heal off any status that Rotom may be afflicted with, most notably Toxic; however, Will-O-Wisp is absolutely vital to this set, providing residual damage and making physical attackers much less threatening. Even Pain Split is helpful to wear down opponents, not to mention that Sleep Talk is unreliable, with a 33% chance of picking Rest and doing nothing and a 50/50 chance of picking the wrong attack if it doesn't pick Rest. In addition to all this, BW's sleep mechanics make RestTalk an even less viable option. However, if you really don't want Rotom statused and cannot provide cleric support, RestTalk is your best possible option.</p>

    <p>Unlike other Rotom variants, this set requires many different types of support. It loves entry hazards to wear down opponents, and can keep them up easily. Crustle, Smeargle, Accelgor, Ferroseed, and Roselia are all excellent choices for the job. Cleric support is also appreciated, as Toxic can spell doom for Rotom, making it unable to stay in for very long and tank hits. Clefable is the best choice for this, also providing Wish support that Rotom and its teammates appreciate, as even though Rotom has its own recovery, Pain Split isn't reliable because it is useless against targets at a low range of health or with a generally low HP stat. Nidoqueen pairs up excellently with Rotom, as Rotom is immune to its Ground-type weakness and Nidoqueen enjoys having physical attackers being weakened by burn and having entry hazards up when it comes in. Steelix is a wonderful partner because it resists Ghost- and Dark-type moves and can set up Stealth Rock. Mandibuzz is similar to Steelix in that it resists Rotom's weaknesses, and Rotom can take Megahorns from Escavalier as well as burn Aggron in a pinch where Mandibuzz is OHKOed by the latter and takes a lot of damage from the former.</p>


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    thanks SkullCandy this is ready to be uploaded :DDDDDDDDD
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    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Rotom is usually seen shocking its opponents with its great Speed and Special Attack, it can also pull off a decent defensive set thanks to its great resistances and access to Pain Split. These attributes allow Rotom to function as a check to many top-tier attackers, including the extraordinarily powerful Escavalier. Rotom's resistance to both Iron Head and Megahorn means it can wall and stall as much as the little spark wants. Rotom's Ghost typing allows it to function as a spinblocker, and a pretty good one at that. Rotom is one of the only Ghost-types that can beat Kabutops, with Cofagrigus being the only other contender. Furthermore, many players will be taken by surprise by Will-O-Wisp, as more offensive sets have no room for it. However, one should keep in mind that Rotom's defenses are not impregnable, so it's best used on a balanced team.</p>

    <p>Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball provide excellent coverage—hitting everything neutrally bar Ferroseed. Rotom's dual STAB enable it to hit every common spinner and deal with threats such as Gallade, Tauros, and Absol, even without investment. Pain Split keeps Rotom in top shape throughout the match, and is an excellent tool to wear down opposing Pokemon when Rotom has low health. Pain Split also helps Rotom survive when taking Megahorns from Escavalier. Will-O-Wisp is Rotom's greatest weapon against physical attackers and makes this set much more threatening. It also provides constant residual damage to help Rotom KO foes with greater ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The Speed EVs given allow Rotom to outrun Adamant Kabutops and Braviary; this helps Rotom switch in and KO them the following turn with Thunderbolt. Choice Band Braviary's Brave Bird will 2HKO Rotom after Stealth Rock damage, but with the given EVs Rotom can outspeed and KO it. Jolly variants fail to 2HKO Rotom, making more Speed investment unnecessary. The remaining EVs maximize Rotom's physical bulk, capitalizing on Defense rather than HP as it allows Rotom to recover a higher percentage from Pain Split.</p>

    <p>Discharge can be used over Thunderbolt for its higher paralysis rate, but the additional power that Thunderbolt provides is invaluable. Furthermore, the chance of paralysis may conflict with your plans to burn a strong physical attacker. The infamous RestTalk combination can be used over Pain Split and Will-O-Wisp to heal off any status that Rotom may be afflicted with, most notably Toxic; however, Will-O-Wisp is absolutely vital to this set, providing residual damage and making physical attackers much less threatening. Even Pain Split plays a vital role in wearing down opponents—not to mention that Sleep Talk is unreliable, with a 33% chance of picking Rest and doing nothing. In addition to all this, BW's sleep mechanics make RestTalk an even less viable option. However, if you really don't want Rotom statused and cannot provide cleric support, RestTalk is your best possible option.</p>

    <p>Unlike other Rotom variants, this set requires different types of support. It appreciates entry hazards to wear down opponents, and thanks to its Ghost typing, can keep them up easily. Crustle, Smeargle, Accelgor, Ferroseed, and Roselia are all excellent choices for the job. Cleric support is also recomennded, as Toxic can spell doom for Rotom, making it unable to stay in for very long and tank hits. Clefable is the best choice for this, also providing Wish support for Rotom and its teammates. Although Rotom has its own recovery, Pain Split isn't reliable enough because it doesn't do a lot to targets at a low range of health or with a generally low HP stat. Nidoqueen and Rotom complement eachother perfectly; Rotom is immune to Nidoqueen's Ground-type weakness and Nidoqueen enjoys having physical attackers burned and having entry hazards up when it comes in. Steelix is another wonderful partner as it can switch into Ghost- and Dark-type moves aimed at Rotom and set up Stealth Rock. Mandibuzz also covers Rotom's weaknesses, and in return Rotom can take Megahorn from Escavalier as well as burn Aggron in a pinch.</p>


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