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Rotom-C (Full Revamp) [QC 3/3] (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Harsha, Feb 15, 2012.

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    [Overview]

    <p>BW brought many changes upon the Rotom formes. While they lost their secondary Ghost typing, they all gained new STABs to go along well with their special moves. Though it may seem like a curse due to the lack of Rapid Spin blocking utility, Rotom-A ultimately appreciated these changes due to the high Base Power moves they get to abuse. Rotom-C benefited from these changes a lot due to its better offensive typing and its ability to counter common threats to most Rotom-A without much hassle. Additionally, with its good dual STABs, Rotom-C is able to run sets that most other Rotom-A cannot. Though Rotom-C is RU, its ability to counter many common threats that other Rotom-A cannot best allow it to function well in OU.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Volt Switch
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Thunderbolt / Trick
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While the reasons to use a Choice Scarf Rotom-C over Choice Scarf Rotom-W may not be immediately apparent, Rotom-C holds a few features that its brethren cannot boast. While Rotom-W enjoys better typing, it lacks a few things. Rotom-C can reliably beat Gastrodon, one of the most reliable counters to standard VoltTurn; due to this, Rotom-C will be able to freely spam Volt Switch because no one would like to risk losing a Gastrodon due to a bad switch. Leaf Storm is the primary STAB move, and with 210 Base Power factoring in STAB, it will hit anything that doesn't resist it hard.</p>

    <p>Rotom-C does not have many moves to offer besides its main STAB, so it is usually forced to run either Hidden Power Ice or Hidden Power Fire. The choice usually boils down to what a team needs more; if it needs a reliable check to +1 Dragonite, Rotom-C will outspeed all variants and KO with Hidden Power Ice. However, Hidden Power Fire hits Scizor and Ferrothorn hard, so it is a valid option for Rotom-C's use. However, one should note that most players will immediately switch Ferrothorn out after discovering Hidden Power Fire, and Rotom-C will immediately become dead weight, so Hidden Power should always be used in a battle sparingly. As for the final slot, Trick and Thunderbolt are both viable options. While Trick is great for crippling key members of stall teams, a useful asset for most offensive teams, Thunderbolt has the functionality to reliably beat down Substitute + Dragon Dance Gyarados, which is a threat to all teams that have Volt Switch as their only Electric-type move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Any Choice Scarf Rotom-A lacks a fair amount of Special Attack, so one should maximize the Special Attack EVs. A Timid nature, coupled with maximum Speed EVs, ensures that Rotom-C outspeeds Adamant +1 Haxorus, though Rotom-C should only face a Haxorus for a revenge kill. An added bonus to the spread is demolishing +1 positive natured Dragonite and Gyarados, which cannot be done with a Modest nature. However, positive natured Dragonite and Gyarados are rarely seen, so a Modest nature is just as viable. It adds to Rotom-C's power and allows Rotom-C to 2HKO Ferrothorn with Hidden Power Fire, which cannot be done with a Timid nature.</p>

    <p>There are a few partners that Rotom-C enjoys the company of. Since Rotom-C commonly finds itself walled by the likes of Blissey, Chansey, and Heatran, Terrakion and Conkeldurr make useful teammates. They have to ability to decimate some of Rotom-C's main counters, which is really helpful for VoltTurn teams aiming to grab momentum. Removal of said Pokemon gives Rotom-C the ability to handle all other threats to a team due to its great Speed with a Choice Scarf and its above-average Special Attack. Landorus and Scizor make for great partners to complete a VoltTurn chain because they can effectively remove walls that block Rotom-C and Rotom-C can effectively rid the field of Skarmory and other walls that give the two trouble. Infernape makes an amazing partner because of its great synergy with Rotom-C and its access to U-turn. It also can form a VoltTurn chain and with amazing coverage moves, no team with the two should ever find itself walled. Rapid Spin users make useful partners because they allow Rotom-C to freely Volt Switch without repercussions. Additionally, since Rotom-C forces so many switches, an entry hazard user is appreciated to make the foe pay every time he or she switches.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Volt Switch
    move 3: Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Trick / Thunderbolt
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Modest
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Rotom-C is often seen sporting a Choice Scarf set, it also is able to run a viable Choice Specs set. With Choice Specs equipped, Rotom-C becomes outrageously powerful, and its coverage between three moves gives it all it needs to be successful. Leaf Storm is the obvious choice of STAB, and Volt Switch gets secondary STAB. Hidden Power Fire has lots of power, and it can even 2HKO behemoths such as Ferrothorn who enjoy switching in on Rotom-C. Since Rotom-C is most likely to be on an offensive team with Choice Specs equipped, Trick works well as the final move because it allows Rotom-C to cripple troublesome Pokemon on stall teams. However, Thunderbolt is a viable option as well to take out Substitute + Dragon Dance Gyarados; furthermore, Thunderbolt offers a reliable STAB move that doesn't force Rotom-C to switch out.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>To give a sense of how powerful Choice Specs Rotom-C is, let's look at some damage calculations:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Leaf Storm vs. 4/0 Haxorus 73.47% - 86.73%</li>
    <li>Leaf Storm vs. 252/0 Gliscor 116.1% - 136.72%</li>
    <li>Leaf Storm vs. 252/196+ Tyranitar 121.04% - 142.57%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/168+ Ferrothorn 85.23% - 101.14%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 248/208 Scizor 120.12% - 142.27%</li>
    <li>Volt Switch vs. 4/0 Rotom-W 63.22% - 74.79%</li>
    <li>Volt Switch vs. 252/0 Politoed 84.38% - 100%</li>
    </ul>

    <p>Rotom-C gets the ability to OHKO even dedicated walls including Gliscor and Tyranitar, adding to its list of uses. The EVs are standard for Choice Specs users like Rotom-C, as they maximize Speed and Special Attack. While a Modest nature is preferred due to the buff in power, a Timid nature can be used to check threats such as neutral-natured Lucario, Haxorus, and Hydreigon, as well as Jolly Mamoswine and Acrobatics Gliscor. However, Rotom-C cannot switch into these Pokemon safely, and Lucario and Mamoswine both flaunt high Base Power and STAB priority moves, respectively.</p>

    <p>One thing that should be noted when looking at the calculations is how close Rotom-C can come to OHKOing Haxorus with even a resisted move, and how close Rotom-C can come to OHKOing Politoed and Ferrothorn with the appropriate coverage. Thus, Rotom-C will enjoy entry hazard support, particularly Stealth Rock and Spikes. While Stealth Rock will help out a lot against Haxorus and Politoed, if one is able to get down 2 layers of Spikes, Rotom-C will become outright devastating. Another viable partner to Choice Specs Rotom-C is Politoed due to rain support; rain allows Rotom-C to run Thunder instead of Thunderbolt, and it also drops Rotom-C's weakness to Fire-type moves. However, one should note that Hidden Power Fire will be weakened in the rain, so consider running Hidden Power Ice instead. Other notable partners to Choice Specs Rotom-C include U-turn users such as Life Orb Infernape and Choice Band Scizor, as they complete a VoltTurn chain. Rapid Spin users aid immensely because they stop Rotom-C from suffering Stealth Rock damage every time it switches in.</p>

    <p>While Choice Specs Rotom-C's counters are not as widespread as the Choice Scarf variant's, Blissey and Chansey will always wall Rotom-C. However, they do have to fear being hit by Trick on the switch, so they can't always be confident when switching in. Specially defensive variants of Heatran only fear getting 2HKOed by Thunder after Stealth Rock damage, so it can do fairly well when playing against Rotom-C. Aside from the most dedicated specially defensive walls, Rotom-C only has to fear faster Pokemon that can KO it.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Will-O-Wisp
    move 2: Pain Split
    move 3: Volt Switch / Thunderbolt
    move 4: Leaf Storm
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Due to its favorable typing, high base 107 defenses, and good resistances to common moves, Rotom-C can run a viable support set. While it is weak to Fire- and Ice-type moves, Rotom-C resists Scizor's Bullet Punch and can significantly weaken it with a burn. With Will-O-Wisp, any physical attacker must think twice before switching into Rotom-C for fear of being burned, rendering common Pokemon like Choice Band Terrakion useless. Leaf Storm provides obligatory STAB, and even without offensive investment it will still do a decent amount of damage. Volt Switch is perfect for Rotom-C because it matches its role quite nicely; Rotom-C can support an offensive team and then preserve momentum by using Volt Switch to switch Pokemon. However, one can choose to forgo the ability to preserve momentum by using Thunderbolt instead, as it adds to Rotom-C's staying power. Pain Split is the final move because Rotom-C lacks reliable recovery outside of Leftovers, and Pain Split allows it to prey on Pokemon like Chansey and Blissey at full health. It also works very well with Rotom-C's low base 50 HP.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Though the EVs may seem strange at first sight, the spread is actually crucial. 252 HP EVs coupled with 76 Defense EVs ensure that Rotom-C will withstand a Choice Band-boosted Close Combat from Terrakion with full health, while it can OHKO Terrakion back with Leaf Storm. They also help Rotom-C survive U-turns from Scizor that are not equipped with a Choice Band. The remaining EVs give Rotom-C special bulk that it can work with, and Will-O-Wisp can patch up Rotom-C's small investment in Defense. The Calm nature also gives Rotom-C more special bulk, allowing it to tank even super effective Hidden Power Fires. However, an alternate spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD allows Rotom-C to forgo its physical bulk and survive 2 Hydro Pumps from Choice Specs Politoed after Stealth Rock damage, and a Hydro Pump, followed by an Ice Beam from a Life Orb Politoed.</p>

    <p>While Rotom-C does have a lot of special bulk, Magic Guard users like Reuniclus will give it a lot of trouble. Not only is Reuniclus unaffected by Will-O-Wisp, but it can tank unboosted moves and set up. For this reason, using a teammate like Scizor who can beat Reuniclus is usually a very good idea. Sableye is also a good option as a teammate because it completely walls most variants of Reuniclus, and it can Taunt it to prevent Reuniclus from recovering HP. Sweepers that need to set up can make good use of the burns that Rotom-C can spread, so they usually can benefit from having Rotom-C as a teammate. As always, any special wall will ruin this set, and Heatran absorbs Will-O-Wisp while Blissey and Chansey have Natural Cure to alleviate burns. Terrakion is a great partner for this reason, because it can make use of burns to set up and wreck the normal counters of Rotom-C with Close Combat. Politoed is another good partner because it rids Rotom-C of its Fire weakness and allows it to run Thunder if one does not want to use Volt Switch. Also, Politoed and Rotom-C have very good synergy, so the two work well together.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Scout
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Volt Switch
    move 3: Thunder Wave
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Timid
    evs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While most of the sets that Rotom-C can run are quite standard for Rotom formes, its great STAB and versatility, as well as its STAB Volt Switch, allow it to function as a great offensive scout, similar to Celebi's Navi set. With Thunder Wave, Rotom-C has the ability to paralyze any threats that a team may face, barring Ground-type Pokemon. However, Ground-type Pokemon will not dare switch into a STAB Leaf Storm, so Rotom-C is a very effective spreader of paralysis, especially for offensive teams. With Volt Switch, Rotom-C can switch out on predicted switches and preserve momentum like a standard VoltTurn abuser. Hidden Power Fire nails Ferrothorn, dealing out 57.95% - 68.18% damage, a respectable amount for such a defensive behemoth. Another notable KO is Hidden Power Fire on Scizor, a Pokemon who can be problematic for most offensive teams. With a handy 2HKO on Ferrothorn and the ability to switch moves, Rotom-C functions fantastically for an offensive team. However, Hidden Power Ice can be used for those scared of Dragon-type Pokemon, as they can ravage through under-prepared teams and it is impossible to have too many checks for Dragon-types.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is simple, but effective. The 228 Speed EVs coupled with a Timid nature ensure that Rotom-C will outspeed Acrobatics variants of Gliscor and 2HKO them due to maximum investment in Special Attack. The rest of the EVs are jumbled in HP to give Rotom-C a little more bulk than usual. However, if one wants to run a bulkier spread, use 144 HP / 140 SpA / 224 Spe to achieve 263 Speed with a Modest nature. The primary item choice is Leftovers because it adds to Rotom-C's longevity, especially because it has Volt Switch. However, one can opt for a Life Orb for more power, though the drop in longevity will be noticeable. An Expert Belt can also be utilized because Rotom-C has fairly good coverage, but Rotom-C will have no healing options unless one chooses to forgo a move for Pain Split. Will-O-Wisp is also a viable option should one want to focus on burning opponents instead of paralyzing them, though there are better users of Will-O-Wisp for this.</p>

    <p>The partners for this set are the same as always; Rotom-C appreciates other VoltTurners such as Infernape and Scizor due to their ability to break down walls such as Chansey and Blissey. Furthermore, they have fairly good synergy with Rotom-C. Terrakion and Conkeldurr also work very well because they take down Heatran in addition to the pink eggs. Any Pokemon that can make use of the paralysis that Rotom-C is spreading is a viable teammate, because Rotom-C is not paralyzing Pokemon for itself, but rather to ease a teammate in setting up.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>While Rotom-C's best options are all listed, it has the ability to run a few other options that are viable. For one, if a team has a Celebi weakness, Rotom-C can use Signal Beam to quickly KO it. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse also work well for not only Celebi, but even other problematic Psychic-type Pokemon, namely Latios and Latias. Another option is usage of Thunder with Politoed's Drizzle support for more power. Similarly, Rotom-C can run Rain Dance to either back up Politoed's Drizzle or to provide its own support for Thunder. A dual screens set can be used with Light Clay because it is uncommon, but there are generally better options to utilize dual screens, especially Espeon and Latias. Confuse Ray can be used to give a team confusion support, but confusion is generally not the most reliable status.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Since Rotom-C is a very diverse Pokemon, its checks and counters can depend upon the set that it runs. However, there are a few universal counters that wall Rotom-C, such as Blissey, Chansey, and specially defensive Heatran. While Rotom-C can run Trick to attempt to cripple these counters, as well as other members of stall teams, the three will have a field day against a Rotom-C that attempts to stay in and battle. However, one should note that in the rain, Modest Rotom-C with Thunder will 2HKO defensive Heatran after Stealth Rock damage. Numerous Fire-type Pokemon can also effectively check Rotom-C due to their resistance to Leaf Storm; these include Volcarona, Infernape, and Ninetales. Ninetales and Volcarona each have high base Special Defense already, and they can attempt to set up on all Rotom-C sets bar the offensive scout, as paralysis will cripple them. Breloom, especially Bulk Up variants, gives Rotom-C a hard time due to its resistance to Rotom-C's main STAB attacks and the ability to incapacitate the next Pokemon to come out with a well timed Spore. Bulk Up Breloom does even better because of the high investment in Special Defense, so it works as a great check to all Rotom-C sets due to the Toxic Orb; Rotom-C cannot paralyze Breloom if the Toxic Orb has activated. Breloom will have its way unless it comes in on a Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Ice from Rotom-C. Virizion is the same in this manner due to its identical typing and its access to Calm Mind, Work Up, and Swords Dance. Celebi is another great counter to Rotom-C because of its high Special Defense. Though Rotom-C's Choice Specs set will roast Celebi, the pixie can take damage from any of the other sets and retaliate back by either gaining momentum or attacking back with a Hidden Power of its own. Like with every Rotom forme bar Rotom-F, Latios and Latias are problematic. Both resist Rotom-C's dual STABs and can become deadly sweepers after just one turn of setup. Refresh variants of Latias can even continue to play while paralyzed. While a lot of Rotom-C run Hidden Power Fire, Ferrothorn gets a free switch against those who don't run it and can set up hazards.</p>
  2. Sayonara

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    I think Tentacruel would be a good teammate, as it provides Rapid Spin and Hazard support, whilst resisting Ice and Fire type attacks directed towards the Lawn Mower. Nice job, harsha.
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    I see what you're saying; I guess it would make a good partner for the Choice sets, but it would be a bad one for support because Rotom wouldn't be able to burn. Thanks!
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    The bulky set is outclassed by Rotom-W imo. Other than that, seems fine to me.
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    It's true that Rotom-W has more staying power than Rotom-C (Hydro Pump over Leaf Storm), but I think Rotom-C can be used in some situations like against Ferrothorn and some others. Not sure about it fully, though I've tested it out and it really didn't play much differently apart from surprise factor and resistance to Ferrothorn's attacks. I guess I'll let QC decide.
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    There's actually no reason to use the support set over Rotom-W who has better typing, and a move that doesn't force it to switch out. The Specs and Scarf sets should merge as well
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    Thanks for the update, harsha.

    So after testing out Special Attacker Celebi for the last couple of weeks (dammit I should work on that right now), I think a TinkerBell-ish like set is a possibility, seeing as Rotom-C has access to both Leaf Storm and a STAB SPECIAL switching move. Don't take my word for it since the set's tentative right now (and the fact that such a set doesn't exist for Rotom-W), but I would imagine that Rotom-C, unlike Celebi, has a free slot, and can use two other useful moves, possibilities being Thunder Wave, Hidden Power Fire, and/or Pain Split. Again, tentative (mainly because Rotom-C doesn't have a similar set in lower tiers).
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    I don't think the Specs and Scarf sets should mix for the same reason I always stand by; they play very differently. As for the Tinkerbell-esque set, that seems really interesting! I'll try and make one!

    EDIT: So the qualities that Celebi has over this are HP and Speed, so I'll have try to come up with something that can make up for the lack in those two departments. Moves would be Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, and Hidden Power Ice / Fire, I am thinking. I'll crunch some numbers to see what the ideal Speed would be because I'm not sure if it's best to go 252 / 4 / 252 for this thing. And I'm basing the moveset off of your Celebi set, so it should be fine other than the slashes, right? Also, do you have an EV spread that would happen to work? Thanks AG!
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    Oh right, by the way, can we re-use the Overview and Checks and Counters section, or should I re-write it? If it's not relevant to the current metagame, I can rewrite it.
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    You may change the Overview if you find it too bare-bones or generally unsuitable for your liking. The Counters section, however, could definitely use a revamp, since it's just like "So-and-so has this, so it counters Rotom-C." Not very analytical if you ask me. We're also revamping these sections in the Checks and Counters Project, so it would be nice if you could do it and run it by us =)
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    Sure thing, I'll update the Checks and Counters and I may as well do the Overview while I'm at it. I'll edit those in to the skelly, as well as results of TinkerTom (hah), soon.
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    Just a quick glance, but I am pretty sure the Support set would appreciate Volt Switch just as much as the bulky attacker Rotom-W, with almost the same role; I'd slash Volt Switch with Thunderbolt, probably making it the primary slash, too.

    The current special defensive spread allows Rotom-C to better check offensive Rain Sweepers like LO Starmie or SpecsToed, but a I think it's worth mentioning that it could run some Spe EVs to outrun threats like max Speed Adamant Scizor (88 Spe), or even Modest SpecsToed and Adamant Breloom (128 Spe) / Timid Magnezone (132 Spe).

    And yea, a non-choiced offensive set should be a viable set worthy to be on-site. Celebi has the Tinkerbell set (2 special moves, TWave, & Recover) and a Special Scouter set (3 special moves & U-turn). I think Rotom-C could achieve the hybrid of the two (2 special moves, T-Wave, Volt Switch). It's quite similar to the offensive Rotom-W variants, actually.

    I think outrunning Lucario (which would be 280 Speed) or Acrobatics Gliscor (290 Speed) would be a good bench mark to achieve, since Rotom-C could check those imo. Of course Timid Nature is necessary to achieve this.

    Tinkerbell has T-Wave, but Rotom-C could have Will-O-Wisp slashed or mention in AC (although this is much riskier, since Heatran can switch into Rotom-C with impunity). Although Life Orb is on TinkerBell Celebi, in actual practice people go with Leftovers to keep Celebi's bulk intact, so Leftovers should be the item of choice for Rotom-C, too, with Life Orb mentioned in AC. Pain Split can be possibly used, but is not as reliable as Celebi's Recover, so maybe a secondary slash with HP Fire or an AC mention.
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    Thanks for the suggestions Pocket! I will finish up the descriptions for Checks and Counters, Other Options, and TinkerTom soon. As for the EVs, it outspends Acrobatics Gliscor, but should I just go with max Speed? The bulk may seem negligible. As for the extra spreads for the bulky set, I'll add them in soon. Thanks :)
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    Like on Celebi, "TinkerTom" really doesn't need maxed out Special Attack since its typing enables it to take lots of repeated hits (my Celebi has 152 SpA EVs). I'm on an Itouch, so I can't exactly make up a new spread on the spot, but I will when I have the opportunity to.
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    The bulky set is FAR from being outclassed by Rotom-W. This set is in my opinion one of the best Voltturn counter and give a lot of advantages against stall.

    About this set, I've been using it for ages now and I think I have some valuable options for it. The first one is slashing Volt Switch with Thunderbolt. It just gives more momentum, something else against Scizor, Rotom-W and is worth a slash. Don't even mention Gyarados as a reason to keep it since Rotom-C can't afford taking +1 Bounce anyway. And you have Leaf Storm for the Water types.

    I would also like you to mention something else. In my use of Rotom-C in balanced team, Ive found it very useful coupled with Spinners like Starmie and Donphan. A burned Ferrothorn really give them WAY EASIER times. I think it deserves a word.

    A spread of 252/76/180 is also a good idea ; making Rotom-C able to not die from a CB CC from Terrakion and takes Landorus's Uturn way easier. It gives him a better spot against non-Uturn based offensive team by revenging Physical threats. And even with this spread, Spec Latios DM won't OHKO. Definitely interesting

    Thanks for udapting this SO underrated but SO good mon !

    EDIT : mention Infernape in the Choice sets partner. They have a SO GOOD sinergy and learn both Switching move. If Landorus and Scizor are mentioned, Infernape obviously has to be too.

    EDIT² : rename the ugly TinkerTom set Weed Demon :justin2:
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    Thanks for the help Mynism and AG! Renamed the scouter 'Weed Whacker' (based on Mynism's Weed Demon) and changes some EVs upon consideration (thanks again, Mynism!). Infernape is listed as a partner now as well.
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    Sorry about the bump, but I kinda want to knock the skeleton out soon so I can write this thing up before Tuesday, if it can get approved that quickly. Are the EVs on Weed Whacker a keeper? It hits rain really hard. I think the Speed is where it should be, but maybe I should move some from Special Attack to HP? I've been testing it out like it is, and it worked really well. Aside from that, I can't really see much that I need to change, so if someone could point that out for me, it would be great.
    Thanks :)
  18. Harsha

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    I'm bumping with some logs of the Weed Whacker. Logs will be compiled in this post, I guess.
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    p, li { white-Battle between Harsha and abcdef started!

    Tier: Standard OU
    Mode: Singles
    Variation: +19, -13
    Rule: Rated
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: Wifi Battle

    Your team: Rotom-C / Landorus / Tyranitar / Skarmory / Latias / Haxorus
    Opponent's team: Skarmory / Latias / Celebi / Rotom-W / Scizor / Tentacruel

    Harsha sent out Rotom-C!
    abcdef sent out Celebi!

    Start of turn 1
    Abcdef's Celebi used Leaf Storm!
    It's not very effective...
    Rotom-C lost 135 HP! (53% of its health)
    Abcdef's Celebi's Sp. Att. sharply fell!
    Abcdef's Celebi is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Rotom-C used Thunder Wave!
    Abcdef's Celebi is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Rotom-C restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 2
    Rotom-C used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    Abcdef's Celebi lost 41% of its health!

    Abcdef's Celebi used U-turn!
    It's super effective!
    Rotom-C lost 114 HP! (45% of its health)
    Abcdef's Celebi is hurt by its Life Orb!
    abcdef called Celebi back!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!

    Rotom-C restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 3
    Harsha called Rotom-C back!
    Harsha sent out Latias!

    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Volt Switch!
    It's not very effective...
    Latias lost 47 HP! (12% of its health)
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Scizor!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 4
    Harsha called Latias back!
    Harsha sent out Skarmory!

    Abcdef's Scizor used U-turn!
    It's not very effective...
    Skarmory lost 17 HP! (5% of its health)
    abcdef called Scizor back!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!

    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 5
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    The attack of abcdef's Rotom-W missed!

    Skarmory used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of abcdef's team!

    Start of turn 6
    Harsha called Skarmory back!
    Harsha sent out Latias!

    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    The attack of abcdef's Rotom-W missed!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 7
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Tentacruel!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel is hurt by spikes!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!

    Start of turn 8
    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Abcdef's Tentacruel used Toxic!
    The attack of abcdef's Tentacruel missed!

    Abcdef's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!

    Start of turn 9
    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel lost 57% of its health!

    Abcdef's Tentacruel used Toxic!
    Latias was badly poisoned!

    Abcdef's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
    Latias is hurt by poison!

    Start of turn 10
    abcdef called Tentacruel back!
    abcdef sent out Scizor!
    Abcdef's Scizor is hurt by spikes!

    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Abcdef's Scizor lost 33% of its health!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Abcdef's Scizor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Latias is hurt by poison!

    Start of turn 11
    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Abcdef's Scizor lost 33% of its health!

    Abcdef's Scizor used Roost!
    Abcdef's Scizor landed on the ground!
    Abcdef's Scizor regained health!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Abcdef's Scizor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Latias is hurt by poison!

    Start of turn 12
    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Abcdef's Scizor lost 32% of its health!

    Abcdef's Scizor used U-turn!
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 264 HP! (72% of its health)
    abcdef called Scizor back!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!

    Latias restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Latias is hurt by poison!
    Latias fainted!
    Harsha sent out Rotom-C!

    Start of turn 13
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Volt Switch!
    It's not very effective...
    Rotom-C lost 25 HP! (9% of its health)
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Celebi!
    Abcdef's Celebi is hurt by spikes!

    Rotom-C used Thunder Wave!
    Abcdef's Celebi is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Rotom-C restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 14
    abcdef called Celebi back!
    abcdef sent out Scizor!
    Abcdef's Scizor is hurt by spikes!

    Rotom-C used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    Abcdef's Scizor lost 38% of its health!
    Abcdef's Scizor fainted!

    Rotom-C restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    abcdef sent out Latias!

    Start of turn 15
    Harsha called Rotom-C back!
    Harsha sent out Tyranitar!

    Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
    Abcdef's Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's not very effective...
    Tyranitar lost 24 HP! (5% of its health)
    Abcdef's Latias is hurt by its Life Orb!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Latias is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 16
    Abcdef's Latias used Surf!
    It's super effective!
    Tyranitar lost 130 HP! (32% of its health)
    Abcdef's Latias is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Tyranitar used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around abcdef's team!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Latias is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 17
    abcdef called Latias back!
    abcdef sent out Skarmory!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Skarmory!

    Tyranitar used Crunch!
    It's not very effective...
    Abcdef's Skarmory lost 10% of its health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 18
    Abcdef's Skarmory used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Harsha's team!

    Tyranitar used Fire Blast!
    The attack of Tyranitar missed!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 19
    Abcdef's Skarmory used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Harsha's team!

    Tyranitar used Fire Blast!
    It's super effective!
    Abcdef's Skarmory lost 75% of its health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 20
    abcdef called Skarmory back!
    abcdef sent out Tentacruel!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Tentacruel!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel is hurt by spikes!

    Tyranitar used Ice Beam!
    It's not very effective...
    Abcdef's Tentacruel lost 8% of its health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 21
    Abcdef's Tentacruel used Scald!
    It's super effective!
    Tyranitar lost 84 HP! (20% of its health)

    Tyranitar used Crunch!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel lost 15% of its health!
    Abcdef's Tentacruel fainted!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Rotom-W!

    Start of turn 22
    Harsha called Tyranitar back!
    Harsha sent out Skarmory!

    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    Skarmory lost 261 HP! (78% of its health)

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 23
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Skarmory!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Skarmory!

    Skarmory used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of abcdef's team!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 24
    Skarmory used Roost!
    Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Skarmory regained health!

    Abcdef's Skarmory used Roost!
    Abcdef's Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Abcdef's Skarmory regained health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 25
    Abcdef's Skarmory used Roost!
    Abcdef's Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Abcdef's Skarmory regained health!

    Skarmory used Whirlwind!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Rotom-W!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W was dragged out!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 26
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    Skarmory lost 264 HP! (79% of its health)

    Skarmory used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of abcdef's team!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 27
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    The attack of abcdef's Rotom-W missed!

    Skarmory used Roost!
    Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Skarmory regained health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 28
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Hydro Pump!
    Skarmory lost 237 HP! (70% of its health)

    Skarmory used Roost!
    Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Skarmory regained health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

    Start of turn 29
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Latias!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Latias!

    Skarmory used Roost!
    Skarmory landed on the ground!
    Skarmory regained health!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Latias is buffeted by the sandstorm!

    Start of turn 30
    Abcdef's Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    Skarmory lost 256 HP! (76% of its health)
    Abcdef's Latias is hurt by its Life Orb!

    Skarmory used Brave Bird!
    Abcdef's Latias lost 34% of its health!
    Skarmory is hit with recoil!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Latias is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Abcdef's Latias fainted!
    Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Rotom-W!

    Start of turn 31
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Volt Switch!
    It's super effective!
    Skarmory lost 60 HP! (17% of its health)
    Skarmory fainted!
    abcdef called Rotom-W back!
    abcdef sent out Skarmory!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Skarmory!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Abcdef's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Harsha sent out Rotom-C!

    Start of turn 32
    abcdef called Skarmory back!
    abcdef sent out Celebi!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Celebi!
    Abcdef's Celebi is hurt by spikes!
    Abcdef's Celebi fainted!

    Rotom-C used Thunder Wave!
    But there was no target...

    The sandstorm rages!
    Rotom-C is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Rotom-C restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    abcdef sent out Rotom-W!
    Pointed stones dug into abcdef's Rotom-W!

    Start of turn 33
    Abcdef's Rotom-W used Trick!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W switched items with Rotom-C!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W obtained one Leftovers!
    Rotom-C obtained one Choice Scarf!

    Rotom-C used Volt Switch!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W lost 19% of its health!
    Abcdef's Rotom-W fainted!
    Harsha called Rotom-C back!
    Harsha sent out Tyranitar!
    Tyranitar is hurt by spikes!

    The sandstorm rages!
    Tyranitar restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    abcdef forfeited against Harsha!

    The window was disabled due to one of the players closing the battle window.
  19. AccidentalGreed

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    According to my stat calculator, 220 Spe EVs on Timid Rotom-C only tield as much Speed as Adamant Gliscor can achieve. In other words, it's as fast as Gliscor, so you would need to bump up the Speed, and if using HP Fire, use 228 EVs in Speed.

    As for the set itself, I'll approve it. In testing, I have originally used 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe with a Timid nature so Rotom-C would achieve a mix of bulk, power, and speed. However, upon talking about it with Pocket, we have decided that a Modest nature is better for a "bulky version" of the Weed Whacker set. This is the result:

    128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe (Timid)
    yields 273-149-250-309-250-264
    142 HP / 140 SpA / 228 Spe (Modest) yields 276-149-250-309-250-264

    At first, I personally thought using the Timid nature use less EVs, but I was thinking of Celebi, which has 100 base stats, while Rotom-C has significantly less Speed. As you can see, the Modest nature may result in the same stats as the Timid nature with the correct EV Spread. Using the Modest nature also yields three more stat points, so those three points can go into either Special Attack or HP (shown above).

    tl;dr, I approve of Weed Whacker (whacky name though, it's no big deal), and please mention the Modest spread when you edit this.
  20. Harsha

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    Alrighty, I patched that up and actually made it the main spread, since you don't see many Acrobat Gliscors. I'll mention my own spread in the AC.
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    Please can we avoid giving new sets daft custom names

    Strictly speaking it's frowned upon, though I can't think of a better name for the set at present...
  22. Harsha

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    Oh, sorry about that. If you want me to change it to Offensive Scout or something, I can do that.

    Oh, pardon my asking, but are you approving the set or the revamp? :o
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    I'm approving the set, and when the QC team and I fix a few things here and there, the revamp will be approved as well, and I will try before Tuesday. Also, if you were wondering, the Speed on the Modest EV spread (for Weed Whacker/Offensive scout) aims to outrun all positive-natured base 70s, especially Jolly Breloom and Naive/Jolly Cloyster. I'll see which spread (the one I presented, or the one you initally had) will be the main one.
  24. The Truth

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    I've used this set before, actually, and I have to say that it's by far the best rain counter out there. Its double STAB of grass/electric is simply amazing, and against threats such as Scizor, it can cripple them for the remainder of the match with Will-o-Wisp, survive a U-turn, and then heal off the damage with pain split later. Rotom-C may not be able to defeat Gyarados one on one, but it can break Gyara's sub with a volt switch and then shift into something else that threatens the thing. The only threats that rain commonly carries which Rotom-C doesn't work amazingly against are things like Tornadus, but that's why you carry more than one pokemon ^.^
  25. Harsha

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    Alrighty, thanks guys!

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