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Rotom-W [QC 2/2] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Jio, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. Jio

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    Not too bad, I hope. ​

    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Rotom-W's excellent typing and stats allow it to function as both an offensive and defensive threat in VGC 2012. Through its Electric / Water dual typing, and the ability Levitate, Rotom-W has merely one weakness in the form of Grass-type attacks. Its typing and ability also allow it to resist common spread moves such as Surf, Heat Wave and Blizzard while being immune to Earthquake. These many advantages make Rotom-W an excellent team player and a threat to any team not prepared for it.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Hydro Pump
    move 2: Thunderbolt / Discharge
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Protect
    item: Sitrus Berry
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Modest
    Evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set takes advantage of Rotom-W's incredible power and bulk, also allowing it to act as a supporter with Thunder Wave. Thunderbolt and Hydro Pump are Rotom-W's primary STAB attacks, doing solid damage to opponents which do not resist them. However, you may opt to use Discharge over Thunderbolt, as it hits both opponents and has a higher chance to inflict paralysis upon the foe. Be aware, however, that Discharge will also hit your teammate, and it is thus recommended that Rotom-W's teammate is either immune to Discharge, or packs Protect. Thunder Wave allows Rotom-W to instantly paralyze anything that is not immune to it, enabling it and its teammate to outspeed their opponents without any EV investment. Hidden Power Fire and Hidden Power Ice are also options for the third moveslot; the former gives it a way of dealing with Abomasnow and Ferrothorn who otherwise both wall this set, while the latter hits the omnipresent Dragon-type enemies super effectively. Protect is a staple in the VGC metagame and allows Rotom-W to avoid taking damage while its teammate takes out the threat.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>A Modest nature and 252 Special Attack EVs allow Rotom-W to hit its enemies as hard as possible, while 252 HP EVs maximize Rotom-W's bulk, increasing its longevity on the field. Investment in Speed is unnecessary for Rotom-W as it will outspeed nothing significant, and is thus better off maximizing its bulk. Rotom-W has excellent synergy with Ground-type Pokemon such as Mamoswine and Garchomp, taking advantage of their immunity to Electric-type attacks to spam Discharge while allowing them to do the same with Earthquake, thanks to Levitate. Mamoswine also eliminates the Grass- and Dragon-types which wall Rotom-W with its powerful STAB Ice-type attacks, making a particularly good partner.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Rotom gets Will-O-Wisp, which allows it to cripple physical attackers, especially those who abuse Rock Slide and Earthquake. Signal Beam allows it to hit Psychic-, Grass- and Dark-type Pokemon super effectively such as Latios, Hydreigon and Whimsicott. Thunder is a viable alternative to Discharge or Thunderbolt, but only if you are running a rain team. Water and Electric Gems can also be used as the boost to Rotom-W's STAB move gives them immense power. An alternate EV spread of 252 HP / 160 SpA / 96 SpD allows Rotom-W to survive at least two Dragon Pulses from Kingdra and two Thunderbolts from Timid Zapdos, which is particularly useful if Rotom-W is needed to combat rain teams.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Abomasnow resists both of Rotom-W's STAB moves and can either hit it super effectively with its STAB Giga Drain or Grass Knot, or stall it out with Leech Seed and hail, fearing only Hidden Power Fire. Latios, Latias, and Hydreigon also resist both of its STAB moves while doing major damage with their Dragon-type STAB moves. Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom-W's STAB attacks, but can only hurt it back in return through Toxic. Ludicolo can withstand a Thunderbolt, outspeeds Rotom-W in the rain, and hits it very hard with its STAB Grass-type attacks. However, Ludicolo must be wary of Thunder Wave, as paralysis cripples it.</p>
  2. Jio

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    I think HP Fire should be slashed sinceyou mentioned Abamasnow in Checks and Counters.
  4. Jio

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    change made, thanks
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    I honestly don't think there should be any speed investment on this mon. There isn't that much between 252 and 0. The most notable things are Modest Chand, Adamant Toxi, and Adamant 252 Meta. I really don't think those few mons are worth such a cut in bulk, especially when that is probably Rotom-W's best asset.
  6. cosmicexplorer

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    This is mostly aesthetic, but move Hydro Pump to the second moveslot; it's more important than Thunder Wave. Also remove the mention of Signal Beam hitting Ferrothorn; an NVE Hydro Pump hits harder than neutral Signal Beam.
  7. Ningildo

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    Btw, Rotom-W isn't immune to EdgeQuake, just EQ.
    Edit: Whoops, misread. My bad >_<
  8. Darkaxis

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    just a note but it is Thunder Wave Grass Knot and Giga Drain


    just a few space errors
  9. muffinhead

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    change order of moves and items to:

    move 1: Hydro Pump
    move 2: Thunderbolt / Discharge
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Protect
    item: Sitrus Berry

    add type boosting gems to OO.

    please mention this spread in oo: 252 HP / 160 SpA / 96 SpD with a sitrus berry as the main item. this way, rotom survives one more dragon pulse from kingdra or another thunderbolt from timid zapdos. its not always the best spread, but it certainly helps against rain teams a lot more.

    mention ludicolo and gastrodon (specifically gastrodon, rotom beats swampert) as counters.

    give specific teammates that work well with rotom (mamoswine and garchomp etc)
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    I seen a few players run scarf. Scarf rotom gets the jump on terrakion, and ohko's with hydro pump. Also a scarf set can make use of volt switch in a weather team. Lets say you got toed out, and an opposing ttar jus got weather up, you can switch toed out to a resist mon, and volt switch to get weather up, as well as momentum.



    Also rotom gets totally walled by gastro/any water immune water/ground. hidden power grass can be used in the 3rd slot to get rid of this problem.
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    nice ^^

    qc 1 / 2 with reservations about signal beam
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    It learns Sucker Punch, just for a gimicky mention. Probably not useful, but it might deserve a mention. Abomasnow runs Ice Shard, just as an example of a pokemon who runs special STAB and a physical priority.
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    ice shard gets stab and isnt hindered from a -atk nature
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  17. Jio

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    Changes made. Thanks Eraddd
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    A note to add in Additional Comments, the EVs will need to be tweaked slightly if you're running Hidden Power Fire, so as to not waste any EVs (Running HP Fire requires a Sp.Atk IV of 30, and 252 Sp.Atk EV + 30 IV = 4 EV wasted at level 50 due to the game mechanics). Something as simple as 252 HP / 4 Def / 248 Sp.Atk / 4 Sp.Def puts those 4 wasted EVs to good use as long as your Defense IV is odd.
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    A mistake by me. Please change it. Thanks!
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    Amateur check, just a couple of things to fix.

    Add the stuff in Bold
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Rotom-W's excellent typing and stats allow it to function as both as an offensive and defensive Pokemon in VGC 2012. Through its Electric/Water dual typing, Possessing an Electric- and Water-type and the ability Levitate, Rotom-W has merely has one weakness in the form of Grass-type attacks. Its typing and ability also allow it to resist common spread moves such as Surf, Heat Wave and Blizzard while being immune to Earthquake with Levitate. These many advantages make Rotom-W a powerful teammate and a threat to any team not prepared for it.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Hydro Pump
    move 2: Thunderbolt / Discharge
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Protect
    item: Sitrus Berry
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Modest
    Evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set takes advantage of Rotom-W's incredible power and bulk, as well as allowing it to act as a supporter with Thunder Wave. Thunderbolt and Hydro Pump are Rotom-W's primary STAB attacks, doing solid damage on opponents who do not resist them. However, you may opt to use Discharge over Thunderbolt, as Discharge is able to hit both your opponents at once, carrying a higher chance of inflicting paralysis on your opponents. Be aware, however, that Discharge will also hit your teammate, and thus, it is recommended that Rotom-W's teammate either be immune to Discharge, or use Protect, or is immune to or resists Discharge. Thunder Wave allows Rotom-W to instantly paralyze anything that is not immune to it, allowing Rotom-W and its teammate to outspeed their its opponents without any EV investment in Speed. Hidden Power Fire gives it a way of dealing with Abomasnow and Ferrothorn who otherwise both wall this set; however, Hidden Power Ice may be used to hit the omnipresent Dragon-type enemies super effectively. Protect is a staple in the VGC metagame and allows Rotom-W to avoid taking damage while its teammate takes out the threat.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>A Modest nature and 252 SpA EVs allow Rotom-W to hit hits its enemies as hard as possible. 252 HP EVs maximize give Rotom-W's maximum bulk, increasing its longevity on the field. Investment in Speed is unnecessary for Rotom-W as it outspeeds nothing significant, and is better off maximizing its bulk. Rotom-W has excellent synergy with Ground-type Pokemon such as Mamoswine and Garchomp, taking advantage of their immunity to Electric-type attacks to spam Discharge, while allowing them to do the same with Earthquake, thanks to Levitate being immune to Earthquake. Mamoswine also carries Ice-type attacks which allow it to take out Grass- and Dragon-types who would otherwise wall Rotom-W.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Rotom gets Will-O-Wisp, which allows it to cripple physical attackers, especially those who abuse Rock Slide and Earthquake [Note: I'm not sure Rock Slide and Earthquake abusers are relavent as Rotom-W is immune to the latter, while the former does not do much damage to it]. In response to the note - I would keep it since it's still helpful for Rotom's partner/the rest of his team but I dunno Signal Beam allows it to hit Psychic-,[space]Grass-, and Dark-type Pokemon super effectively such as Latios, Hydreigon and Whimsicott super effectively. Thunder is a viable alternative to Discharge or Thunderbolt, but only if you are running a rain team. Water and Electric Gems can also be used as the boost to boost Rotom-W's STAB moves give , giving them immense power. An alternate EV spread of 252 HP / 160 SpA / 96 SpD allows Rotom-W to survive at least two Dragon Pulses from Kingdra and two Thunderbolts from Timid Zapdos, which is particularly useful if Rotom-W is needed to combat rain teams. This is useful for when you need Rotom-W to stand up against Rain teams.</p>


    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Abomasnow resists both of Rotom-W's STAB moves and can either hit Rotom-W super effectively with its Grass-type STAB attacks such as Giga Drain or Grass Knot, or stall it out with Leech Seed and Hail. 'But must watch out for HP Fire' or something should go here prolly Latios, Latias, and Hydreigon also resist both of its STAB moves, while doing major damage with its Dragon-type STAB moves such as Draco Meteor. Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom-W's STAB attacks, but can only hurt thanks to its ability Storm Drain and typing; however, its only method of hurting Rotom-W is through Toxic. Ludicolo is able to withstand a Thunderbolt, outspeed in the rain, and hit Rotom-W with super effective Grass-type attacks thanks to its good Special Defense stat, and can hit Rotom-W super effectively with its Grass-type attacks, while outspeeding it in the rain. However, Nevertheless, Ludicolo must be wary of Thunder Wave, as paralysis cripples it. it immensely cripples Ludicolo.</p>


    I just noticed Eraddd's last post, but yeah I changed it in my check so don't worry about it.
  21. Jio

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    I made those changes. Thank you guyguypants
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Rotom-W's excellent typing and stats allow it to function as both an offensive and defensive Pokemon threat in VGC 2012. Through its Electric / Water (just nitpicking here, add the spaces) dual typing, and the ability Levitate, Rotom-W has merely one weakness in the form of Grass-type attacks. Its typing and ability also allow it to resist common spread moves such as Surf, Heat Wave, and Blizzard while being immune to Earthquake. These many advantages make Rotom-W a powerful teammate an excellent team player and a threat to any team not prepared for it.</p>​

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Hydro Pump
    move 2: Thunderbolt / Discharge
    move 3: Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Protect
    item: Sitrus Berry
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Modest
    Evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD ​

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set takes advantage of Rotom-W's incredible power and bulk, as well as also allowing it to act as a supporter with Thunder Wave. Thunderbolt and Hydro Pump are Rotom-W's primary STAB attacks, doing solid damage to opponents who which (since you are not referring to Pokemon with ''he / she'' use ''which''; ''who'' makes it sound like they are people) do not resist them. However, you may opt to use Discharge over Thunderbolt, as Discharge is able to hit both your opponents at once, carrying a higher chance of inflicting paralysis on your opponents it hits both opponents and has a higher chance to inflict paralysis upon the foe. Be aware, however, that Discharge will also hit your teammate, and thus, it is thus recommended that Rotom-W's teammate either be is either immune to Discharge, or use packs Protect. Thunder Wave allows Rotom-W to instantly paralyze anything that is not immune to it, allowing Rotom-W enabling it and its teammate to outspeed their opponents without any EV investment. Hidden Power Fire and Hidden Power Ice are also options for the third moveslot; the former gives it a way of dealing with Abomasnow and Ferrothorn who otherwise both wall this set;, while the latter however, Hidden Power Ice may be used to hits the omnipresent Dragon-type enemies super effectively. Protect is a staple in the VGC metagame and allows Rotom-W to avoid taking damage while its teammate takes out the threat.</p>​
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    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]​
    <p>A Modest nature and 252 Special Attack (we do not use the abbreviated forms outside of EV spreads) EVs allow Rotom-W to hit its enemies as hard as possible, while 252 HP EVs maximize Rotom-W's bulk, increasing its longevity on the field. Investment in Speed is unnecessary for Rotom-W as it will outspeed nothing significant, and is thus better off maximizing its bulk. Rotom-W has excellent synergy with Ground-type Pokemon such as Mamoswine and Garchomp, taking advantage of their immunity to Electric-type attacks to spam Discharge, while allowing them to do the same with Earthquake, thanks to Levitate. Mamoswine also carries Ice-type attacks which allow it to take out eliminates the Grass- and Dragon-types who which would otherwise wall Rotom-W with its powerful STAB Ice-type attacks, making a particularly good partner.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Rotom gets Will-O-Wisp, which allows it to cripple physical attackers, especially those who abuse Rock Slide and Earthquake. Signal Beam allows it to hit Psychic-, Grass- and Dark-type Pokemon super effectively, such as Latios, Hydreigon, and Whimsicott super effectively. Thunder is a viable alternative to Discharge or Thunderbolt, but only if you are running a rain team. Water and Electric Gems can also be used as the boost to Rotom-W's STAB move gives them immense power. An alternate EV spread of 252 HP / 160 SpA / 96 SpD allows Rotom-W to survive at least two Dragon Pulses from Kingdra and two Thunderbolts from Timid Zapdos, which is particularly useful if Rotom-W is needed to combat rain teams.</p>
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    [Checks and Counters]​
    <p>Abomasnow resists both of Rotom-W's STAB moves and can either hit Rotom-W itsuper effectively with its Grass-type STAB attacks such as Giga Drain or Grass Knot, or stall it out with Leech Seed and hail, however Abomasnow should be cautious of fearing only Hidden Power Fire. Latios, Latias, and Hydreigon also resist both of its STAB moves, while doing major damage with its their Dragon-type STAB move such as Draco Meteor. Gastrodon is immune to both of Rotom-W's STAB attacks, but can only hurt Rotom-W it back in return through Toxic. Ludicolo is able to can withstand a Thunderbolt, outspeeds Rotom-W in the rain, and hit Rotom-W with super effective Grass-type attacks hits it very hard with its STAB Grass-type attacks. However, Ludicolo must be wary of Thunder Wave, as paralysis cripples it.</p>


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    Changes made. Thank you Calm Pokemaster

    I guess this is done
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    Noticed a minor typo. Correction in blue.

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    Fixed it thanks.

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