Round 2: Lou of the Harbringers and Orcinus of Cookie Crisp Corgis!

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16:33 AOPSUser Two questions
16:34 AOPSUser 1. Does speed reduction mid-action affect the order that action?
16:34 AOPSUser IE: Icy Wind
16:34 Objection no
16:34 Objection otherwise turn order would get fucking complicated

You heard the man.

Lou AAOO (Safeguard 2r)

Pumyra
HP: 110
EN: 47
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Camille
HP: 48
EN: 58
Other: -1 Attack (permanent), Taunted (3a)

Orcinus AAOO (Safeguard 2r, Light Screen 3r)

Pants
HP: 68
EN: 69
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Mind
HP: 83
EN: 62
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)

Arena: none
KOC: none


Action 1:
Mind used Icy Wind!
Pumyra:
Crit: [<=625] 4945/10000 (No)
Calculation: (4.5+4*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=9
Camille:
Crit: [<=625] 559/10000 (Yes)
Calculation: (4.5+3+4*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=11.25
-5 Energy

Pumyra used Air Slash (Pants)!
Hit: [<=9000] 3688/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 7060/10000 (No)
Flinch: [<=3000] 2139/10000 (Yes)
Calculation: (4+3+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=12.75
-5 Energy

Camille flew up high!

Pants flinched!

Camille used Fly (Pants)!
Hit: [<=9500] 938/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 1210/10000 (No)
Calculation: (9+3+1*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=11.25
-10 Energy

Action 2:
Mind used Thunder (Camille)!
Hit: [<=8200] 9482/10000 (No)
-8 Energy

Pants used Thunderpunch (Camille)!
Crit: [<=625] 4058/10000 (No)
Para: [<=1000] 6967/10000 (No)
Calculation: (8+4*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5-1.75=10.25
-6 Energy

Pumyra used Aura Sphere (Pants)!
Crit: [<=625] 3091/10000 (No)
Calculation: (4.5+3+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=13.5
-6 Energy

Camille used Air Slash (Pants)!
Hit: [<=9000] 3383/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 2717/10000 (No)
Calculation: (4+3+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=12.75
-5 Energy

Action 3:
Mind used Psychic (Pumyra)!
Crit: [<=625] 9603/10000 (No)
Calculation: (9+3+4*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=20.25
-6 Energy

Pants used Rock Slide!
Camille:
Hit: [<=9000] 750/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 3840/10000 (No)
Flinch: [<=3000] 3970/10000 (No)
Calculation: (6+4*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5-1.75=7.25
Pumyra:
Hit: [<=9000] 3218/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 7157/10000 (No)
Flinch: [<=3000] 4945/10000 (No)
Calculation: 6+4*1.5-3*1.5-1.75=5.75
-6 Energy

Pumyra used Aura Sphere (Pants)!
Crit: [<=625] 7561/10000 (No)
Calculation: (4.5+3+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=13.5
-10 Energy

Camille used Air Slash (Pants)!
Hit: [<=9000] 2343/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 7646/10000 (No)
Calculation: (4+3+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=12.75
-9 Energy
Pants fainted!

END OF ROUND


Lou AAOO (Safeguard 1r)

Pumyra
HP: 75
EN: 26
Other: -1 Attack (permanent), -1 Speed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: 33
Other: -1 Attack (permanent), -1 Speed

Orcinus XAOO (Safeguard 1r, Light Screen 2r)

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: 83
EN: 43
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)

Arena: none
KOC: Camille


The round begins with an Icy Wind from Mind, but the turn order is not changed action 1, as Pumyra flinches Pants with an Air Slash. Meanwhile, Camille uses a Fly on Pants. Then, Mind tries a Thunder, but misses! Pants seizes the initiative and Thunderpunches Camille, who Air Slashes him in return. Pumyra uses an Aura Sphere in the meantime. Mind then uses a Psychic on Pumyra, while Pants uses Rock Slide. Unfazed, Pumyra Aura Spheres and Camille Air Slashes, KOing Pants!

-Orcinus replaces Pants and orders.
-Lou/Atheno orders.
-I ref.
 

Orcinus Duo

Banned deucer.
From a logical point of view, the turn-order ruling makes no sense.
Icy Wind is not delayed until the beginning of the next action, as the chilling wind takes effect immediately.
When ASB logic and simple reasoning take a backseat to convenience of reffing, something is wrong.
 
From a logical point of view, the turn-order ruling makes no sense.
Icy Wind is not delayed until the beginning of the next action, as the chilling wind takes effect immediately.
When ASB logic and simple reasoning take a backseat to convenience of reffing, something is wrong.
We had a huge debate on IRC about this, and we agreed that this is the way it works in-game, so this is the way it works in ASB.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: SDS agrees.

18:10 Gerard what would happen if a pokemon has it's spead reduced in the middle of the round
18:10 SevenDeadlySins speeds are locked at the beginning of each action
 

Alchemator

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In the interest of moving this doubles along, and adherence to in-game precedent, I rule that AOPSUser's interpretation is correct.

Orcinus, please send out your next 'mon and order.
 

Orcinus Duo

Banned deucer.
All right Purple Boss, guess you're up to salvage this...

Gengar: Thunderbolt (Togekiss) ~ Sludge Bomb (Togekiss) ~ Thunderbolt (Togekiss)
Sub 1) IF Tomohawk targets your partner with Quash THEN Taunt Togekiss
Sub 2) IF Togekiss has Endured, target Tomohawk until Tomohawk is KOed.
KO Sub: IF Togekiss faints, target Tomohawk.

Mr. Mime: Psychic (Togekiss) ~ Psychic (Togekiss) ~ Thunder (Togekiss)
Sub 1) IF Tomohawk targets your partner with Quash THEN Taunt Togekiss
Sub 2) IF Togekiss uses Endure THEN Encore it once and target Tomohawk for all remaining actions or until Tomohawk is KOed.
KO Sub: IF Togekiss faints, Psychic Tomohawk.
 

Athenodoros

Official Smogon Know-It-All
Soooo......

Assuming that Leethoof's dead/dying with Lou/been kidnapped and I'm just going to post.

Camille: Protect ~ Extremespeed + Fly (Mind) ~ Cool Down
Pumyra: Air Slash (Mind) ~ Chill ~ Air Slash (Mind)


Also I'm assuming here that each half of Fly is treated as being comboed with ESpeed seperately, i.e. He goes up at +2 and comes down afterwards. If not, then I'd like to use Extremespeed * 2 instead from A2.
 
Lou AAOO (Safeguard 1r)

Pumyra
HP: 75
EN: 26
Other: -1 Attack (permanent), -1 Speed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: 33
Other: -1 Attack (permanent), -1 Speed

Orcinus XAAO (Safeguard 1r, Light Screen 2r)

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: 83
EN: 43
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 100
Other: none

Arena: none
KOC: Camille


Action 1:
Camille used Protect!
-15 Energy

Purple Boss used Thunderbolt (Camille)!
It was protected!
Just for reference: (10+5*1.5-4*1.5)*1.5=17.25
-7 Energy

Mind used Psychic (Camille)!
It was protected!
Just for reference: 9+3+4*1.5-4*1.5=12
-6 Energy

Pumyra used Air Slash (Mind)!
Hit: [<=9000] 1555/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 1076/10000 (No)
Calculation: 4+3+5*1.5-5*1.5=7
-5 Energy

Action 2:
Camille flew up high very quickly!

Purple Boss used Sludge Bomb (Camille)!
No he didn't
-5 Energy

Mind used Psychic (Camille)!
Yeah right
-10 Energy

Pumyra Chilled!
+12 Energy

Camille used Extremely Quick Fly (Mind)!
Hit: [<=9500] 8536/10000 (No)
Crit: [<=625] 7936/10000 (No)
Calculation: 13+3+1*1.5-3*1.5-1.75=11.25
-25.5 Energy
EN KO

Action 3:
Purple Boss used Thunderbolt (Pumyra)!
Crit: [<=625] 5881/10000 (No)
Para: [<=1000] 3236/10000 (No)
Calculation: (10+5*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=19.5
-7 Energy

Mind used Psychic (Pumyra)!
Crit: [<=625] 4234/10000 (No)
-Sp.Def: [<=1000] 4439/10000 (No)
Calculation: (9+3+4*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=20.25
-14 Energy

Camille must recharge!

Pumyra used Air Slash (Mind)!
Hit: [<=9000] 4709/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 7239/10000 (No)
Calculation: 4+3+5*1.5-5*1.5=7
-5 Energy

END OF ROUND


Lou AAOO

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: 28
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: -KOed

Orcinus XAAO (Light Screen 1r)

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: 58
EN: 13
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 81
Other: none

Arena: none
KOC: Camille


Well Lou is recovering (I hope) from a gunshot, and Leethoof hasn't posted actions, so Athenodoros saves the team from DQ.

*crowd cheers for the Harbingers*

The round begins with Camille Protecting itself from Purple Boss's Thuderbolt and Mind's Psychic. Then Pumyra unleashes an Air Slash, which is dampened by Light Screen, but it still damages Mind.

Camille then flies up into the air very quickly, evading Purple Boss's Sludge Bomb and Mind's Psychic. Weird, because it's slower than those two... Pumyra just chills, as Camille uses an Extremely Quick Fly on Mind. However, she has exhausted herself!

Purple Boss fires another Thunderbolt on Pumyra, while Mind uses Psychic on Pumyra. Pumyra fires another Air Slash at Mind.

-Lou('s team) sends our a new mon and orders.
-Orcinus orders.
-I ref.
 

Athenodoros

Official Smogon Know-It-All
I feel like Extreme Fly should have done more damage (4), and that Camille should have fainted after action 2, which means that his Pokes would have battered Pumyra a bit. Could we have those editted/discounted publicly before 'Lou' sends out?
 
I feel like Extreme Fly should have done more damage (4), and that Camille should have fainted after action 2, which means that his Pokes would have battered Pumyra a bit. Could we have those editted/discounted publicly before 'Lou' sends out?
Show me the Extreme Fly calc.

Fixed everything else.

EDIT: BAP of Extreme Fly is (8/2)+9=13, since priority moves in a combo have half their BAP.
 

Athenodoros

Official Smogon Know-It-All
Of course. Completely forgot.

Anyway, looks like Lou isn't around for this one either. So we send out Absol the Absol.

Absol: Night Slash (Mind) ~ Mega Horn (Mind) ~ Night Slash (Mind)
Pumyra: Hurricane (Mind) * 3
IF the Absol faints, switch targets to Gengar.
IF either Pokemon successfully uses a Protective/Evasive move targetting your target, switch targets.
IF Mind uses Endure, switch targets to Gengar from then on.
 
Lou AXAO

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: 28
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: -KOed


Absol
HP: 100
EN: 100
Other: none

Orcinus XAAO (Light Screen 1r)

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: 58
EN: 13
Other: -1 Attack (permanent)


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 81
Other: none

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants


Action 1:
Mind used Fake Out (Absol)!
Crit: [<=625] 9657/10000 (No)
Calculation: 4+1*1.5-1*1.5=4
-4 Energy

Purple Boss used Focus Blast (Absol)!
Hit: [<=8700] 8939/10000 (No)
-8 Energy

Pumyra used Hurricane (Mind)!
Hit: [<=7000] 4764/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 6681/10000 (No)
Confuse: [<=3000] 2034/10000 (Yes)
Intensity: 8464/10000 (4a)
Calculation: 6+3+5*1.5-5*1.5=9
-7 Energy

Absol flinched!

Action 2:
Mind used Mud-Slap (Absol)!
Hit self: [<=5000] 4115/10000 (Yes)
Calculation: 4+1*1.5-3*1.5=1
-3 Energy

Purple Boss used Focus Blast (Absol)!
Hit: [<=8700] 8597/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 2523/10000 (No)
-SpDef: [<=1000] 6277/10000 (No)
Calculation: (12+5*1.5-2*1.5)*1.5=24.75
-12 Energy

Pumyra used Hurricane (Mind)!
Hit: [<=7000] 221/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 5530/10000 (No)
Calculation: 6+3+5*1.5-5*1.5=9
-11 Energy

Absol used Megahorn (Mind)!
Hit: [<=8500] 4560/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 3232/10000 (No)
Calculation: (12+5*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=22.5
-8 Energy

Action 3:
Purple Boss used Focus Blast (Absol)!
Hit: [<=8700] 504310000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 3015/10000 (No)
-SpDef: [<=1000] 5701/10000 (No)
Calculation: (12+5*1.5-2*1.5)*1.5=24.75
-16 Energy

Mind used Hyper Beam (Absol)!
Hit self: [<=5000] 1332/10000 (Yes)
Calculation: 4+1*1.5-3*1.5=1
-3 Energy

Pumyra used Hurricane (Mind)!
Hit: [<=7000] 1073/10000 (Yes)
Crit: [<=625] 1841/10000 (No)
Calculation: 6+3+5*1.5-5*1.5=9
-15 Energy
EN KO!

Absol used Night Slash (Mind)!
Crit: [<=1250] 5444/10000 (No)
Calculation: (7+3+5*1.5-3*1.5)*1.5=19.5
-4 Energy
Mind fainted!

END OF ROUND


Lou XXAO

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: -5
Other: KOed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: KOed


Absol
HP: 46
EN: 88
Other: none

Orcinus XXAO

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: -13
EN: 3
Other: KOed


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 45
Other: none

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants, Mind, Absol


The round begins with Mind giving Absol a Fake Out, flinching it. Purple Boss tries a Focus Blast on Absol, but misses. Pumyra uses a Hurricane on Mind, confusing it for 4 actions.

*CCC section of the crowd boos*

Purple Boss hits Absol with a Focus Blast, while Mind hits itself in its confusion. Pumyra hits Mind with yet another Hurricane while Absol uses a Megahorn on Mind.

*"BS HAX" shouts materialize from the crowd*

Purple Boss hits yet another Focus Blast on Absol, who Night Slashes Mind. Mind hits itself again. Pumyra uses a Hurricane on Mind just before Absol uses his Night Slash. Absol has KOed Mind, but that last Hurricane has exhausted Pumyra!

-Nommy and Oros are automagically sent out.
-Orcinus orders.
-"Lou" orders.
-I ref.
 

Orcinus Duo

Banned deucer.
Snorlax: Brick Break Absol x3
IF Absol uses Bounce on any action AND Absol is not protected, replace that action with Brick Break Combo
IF Absol uses Endure, then whirlpool that action
IF Absol is KOd, Ice Beam Dragonite

Gengar: Taunt Absol-Focus Blast Absol-Sludge Bomb Absol
IF Successful Protective/Evasive Action, then Sludge Bomb Dragonite and pushback
IF Absol uses Magic Coat when you are supposed to taunt it, Focus Blast Absol and push actions back
IF Absol is KOd, Sludge Bomb Dragonite
 

Athenodoros

Official Smogon Know-It-All
Alright, Lou here once again. But it looks like a draw is going to be our best bet here. Sorry if you can come up with something better guys.

Absol: AgiliDodge ~ Bounce (Snorlax) ~ Perish Song
Oros: Thunder Wave (Gengar) ~ Protect (Absol) ~ Bodyblock (Absol)
 
Lou XXAA

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: -5
Other: KOed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: KOed


Absol
HP: 46
EN: 88
Other: none


Oros
HP: 100
EN: 100
Other: none

Orcinus XXAA

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: -13
EN: 3
Other: KOed


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 45
Other: none


Nommy
HP: 125
EN: 100
Other: none

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants, Mind, Absol


Action 1:
Absol used Evasive Agility!
-7 Energy

Purple Boss used Sludge Bomb (Oros)!
Crit: [<=625] 603/10000 (Yes)
Poison: [<=3000] 9740/10000 (No)
Calculation: [8+3+3+5*1.5-3*1.5]/2=8.5
-5 Energy

Oros used Thunder Wave (Purple Boss)!
-7 Energy

Nommy used Brick Break (Absol)!
Fail
-6 Energy

Action 2:
Oros used Protect (Absol)!
-7 Energy

Absol bounced up!

Purple Boss used Sludge Bomb (Oros)!
Full para: [<=2500] 6183/10000 (No)
Crit: [<=625] 1748/10000 (No)
Poison: [<=3000] 7180/10000 (No)
Calculation: [8+3+5*1.5-3*1.5]/2=7
-5 Energy

Nommy used Brick Break (Absol)!
Fail
-10 Energy

Absol used Bounce (Nommy)!
Crit: [<=625] 8238/10000 (No)
Para: [<=3000] 778/10000 (Yes)
Calculation: 9+5*1.5-3*1.5=12
-10 Energy

Action 3:
Oros used Bodyblock (Absol)!
-5 Energy

Absol used Perish Song!
-15 Energy

Purple Boss used Taunt (Absol)!
It hit Oros instead!
Full para: [<=2500] 4067/10000 (No)
-10 Energy

Nommy used Brick Break (Absol)!
It hit Oros instead!
Full para: [<=2000] 7108/10000 (No)
Crit: [<=625] 717/10000 (No)
Calculation: [(8+4*1.5-3*1.5)*2/3]/2=3.166
-14 Energy

END OF ROUND


Lou XXAA

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: -5
Other: KOed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: KOed


Absol
HP: 46
EN: 56
Other: Perish Count=2


Oros
HP: 81
EN: 81
Other: Perish Count=2, Taunted

Orcinus XXAA

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: -13
EN: 3
Other: KOed


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 21
Other: Paralyzed (20%), Perish Count=2


Nommy
HP: 113
EN: 70
Other: Paralyzed (15%), Perish Count=2

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants, Mind, Absol


The round begins with an Evasive Agility from Absol, evading Nommy's Brick Break. Then, Purple Boss used a Sludge Bomb on Oros, who Thunder Waves it in return. Oros then Protected Absol as Absol Bounced into the air. Nommy, once again, misses a Brick Break. Purple Boss uses another Sludge Bomb on Oros as Absol lands on Nommy.

*crowd is quiet*

Oros Bodyblocks Absol, who uses a Perish Song. Purple Boss Taunts Oros, and Nommy Brick Breaks Oros.

-Lou
-Orcinus
-Me
 

Athenodoros

Official Smogon Know-It-All
And now for some stall. Hopefully this can work.

Oros: Fly (Lax) ~ Dive (Lax) ~ Fly (Lax)
Absol: AgiliDodge ~ Bounce (Lax) ~ AgiliDodge
IF Lax faints AND you would otherwise target him, switch targets to GGar.
IF GGar uses Disable, his target uses their other move for the rest of the round.
IF Snorlax uses Counter, switch targets if applicable.
IF Snorlax uses Ice Beam in a combo at Dragonite, Dragonite uses the move he would otherwise use in a combo with itself and moves actions along.
 
Lou XXAA

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: -5
Other: KOed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: KOed


Absol
HP: 46
EN: 56
Other: Perish Count=2


Oros
HP: 81
EN: 81
Other: Perish Count=2, Taunted

Orcinus XXAA

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: -13
EN: 3
Other: KOed


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 21
Other: Paralyzed (20%), Perish Count=2


Nommy
HP: 113
EN: 70
Other: Paralyzed (15%), Perish Count=2

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants, Mind, Absol


Action 1:
Oros flew up!

Absol used Evasive Agility!
-7 Energy

Nommy used Protect!
Full para: [<=1500] 1989/10000 (No)
-13 Energy

Purple Boss chilled!
Full para: [<=2000] 3255/10000 (No)
+12 Energy

Oros used Fly (Nommy)!
Just for reference: 9+3+5*1.5-3*1.5=15
-10 Energy

Action 2:
Oros dived underwater!

Absol bounced up!

Purple Boss used Protect (Nommy)!
Full para: [<=2000] 9632/10000 (No)
-16 Energy

Nommy chilled!
Full para: [<=1500] 4403/10000 (No)
+12 Energy

Oros used Dive (Nommy)!
Just for reference: 8+5*1.5-3*1.5=11
-10 Energy

Absol used Bounce (Nommy)!
Just for reference: 9+5*1.5-3*1.5=12
-10 Energy

Action 3:
Nommy used Protect!
Full para: [<=1500] 5235/10000 (No)
-13 Energy

Absol used Evasive Agility!
-7 Energy

Oros flew up!

Purple Boss chilled!
Full para: [<=2000] 1424/10000 (Yes)

Oros used Fly (Nommy)!
Just for reference: 9+3+5*1.5-3*1.5=15
-10 Energy

END OF ROUND


Lou XXAA

Pumyra
HP: 35
EN: -5
Other: KOed


Camille
HP: 19
EN: -9
Other: KOed


Absol
HP: 46
EN: 32
Other: Perish Count=1


Oros
HP: 81
EN: 51
Other: Perish Count=1, Taunted (3a)

Orcinus XXAA

Pants
HP: -8
EN: 57
Other: KOed


Mind
HP: -13
EN: 3
Other: KOed


Purple Boss
HP: 90
EN: 17
Other: Paralyzed (10%), Perish Count=1


Nommy
HP: 113
EN: 70
Other: Paralyzed (10%), Perish Count=1

Arena: none
KOC: Camille, Pants, Mind, Absol


The round begins with a Protect from Nommy, deflecting Oros's Fly. Absol uses an Evasive Agility, and Purple Boss chills.

*boos from the crowd*

Then, Purple Boss Protects Nommy from Oros's Dive and Absol's Bounce. Nommy just chills.

*more boos*

STOP STALLING GUYS.

Nommy Protects itself again, Oros uses a Fly on Nommy again, Absol uses Evasive Agility again, and Purple Boss is fully paralyzed.

*"BOOOOOOOOO"*

Seriously guys. I'm getting bored.

-Orcinus
-Lou
-Me (Last round!)
 

Orcinus Duo

Banned deucer.
Snorlax: Endure-Chill-Protect
IF Dragon Tail, then protect and pushback, but not consecutively
Gengar: Hypnosis Absol-Chill-Hypnosis Dragonite

Both mons: If Parahax, pushback

gg i hope to god
 
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