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Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Baka Ki Eru Dogura, Mar 15, 2013.

  1. Baka Ki Eru Dogura

    Baka Ki Eru Dogura

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    This team hasn't a building phase, it is just a bunch of cores that i wanted to try. The first one is Tyranitar+Keldeo core. Everyone knows how helpful is TTar for Keldy, 'cause it traps Jellycent and Latwins and Celebi (without Bpass =.=), and Keldeo takes cares of rain team spamming rain boosted Hydro Pumps.
    Another powerful core that I wanted to try is Keldy+Breloom+Terak core.
    Definetly a complete offense core: Terak really shines early game, setting up fast Roks, Breloom's Spore shuts down one opponent Pokémon making the game 6-5 for me, and provides a nice priority boosted by Fighting Gem.
    Keldeo is an amazing wallbreaker, making Breloom's sweep much more easier, 'cause wears down certain Loom's switch-ins like Latwins, Celebi or Amoongus.
    Environment speaking, Keldeo+Loom works well against rain teams, Terak against sun and it has its SDef raised under sand.

    Still 2 Pokès left..
    My team was kinda slow, since a run no scarfers, i wanted to add RockPolish Landorus.
    It's a monster xD.
    Really.
    His checks are Pursuited to death by Tyranitar, or weakened by Loom and Keldeo, yeah, all of these 3 have approximately the same checks.
    Just RP, outspeed everything, win.

    Uhm...Ok, the team was slow as before xD.
    I have 3/4 S Rank Pokémons...what can I add?
    Usage's Top 1 pokés: Scizor!
    Scizor serves as a Dragonz check, and a semi decent revenge killer with Bullet Punch.
    With 2 strong prios and a sasher, I think I can handle the majority of speed boosters.


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    Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge​

    ChoiceBand Tyranitar, Keldeo's perfect partners imo.
    Evs are pretty standard, those 100 EVs in Speed let him outspeed 24 Evs Politoed and Skarmory going for 2hko with Stone Edge.
    Sandstorm is not really important for this team, infact Keldeo appreciate rain support boosting his STAB, and Breloom suffers sandstorm since doesn't run Poison Heal.
    What this team need is Pursuit.
    But hey, this is a double-edged weapon.
    Infact if not used properly a Tyranitar locked into Pursuit can be setup fodder for a lot of scary things.

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    Breloom (M) @ Fighting Gem
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Mach Punch
    - Bullet Seed
    - Spore​

    Spore. Spore. Spore. Must i say more?
    Since I run 3 choicer Spore helps a lot with switches and allows a free Sword Dance.
    I run jolly 'cause Mamoswine could be a problem, especially for Landorus, Jolly Loom can outspeed Adamant Mamoswine and Ko with Mach Punch. (JollySwine is 4 gayz). Also 16 Speed Neutral Tentacruel outspeed Adamant Loom, 16 Timid outspeed max speed Loom, and that is a problem, y'know Scald.....(=.=)
    Bullet Seed obvious STAB deals with pesky water types that can sponge Keldeo's moves.
    Jellycent or Tentacruel first.

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    Keldeo (Keldeo-R) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Icy Wind
    - Secret Sword
    - Hidden Power [Electric]
    - Hydro Pump​

    My Little Pony.
    Yeah but this is a powerful one ;(
    LoL Specs Hydro Pump OHKOs so many things that is not even funny playing.
    (especially when it is under rain)
    As I said Hydro Pumps is the move I spam mostly, other moves are just for coverage.
    I prefer the combination of Icy Wind + Hp Electric rather than Hp Ghost (or Ice) + Surf.
    I don't need a weak but accurate stab.
    Surf is for weakling, real man use HydroSpam.
    Also Ice + Electric is a pseudo bolt beam, and i can hit super effectively everything checks the pony.
    Latwins dont appreciate the drop coming from Icy Wind, Hp Electric hits Gyarados, Cruel and Jelly at the same time.

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    Terrakion @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Taunt
    - Stealth Rock​

    SashTerak is a nice lead. It can always setup rocks, and he still has offensive capacities.
    Taunt block other Rocks setter or statuser.
    I don't consider him as a suicide lead, infact often i try to keep his Sash intact during the game (hey u lost) 'cause i need him to stops certain threat if situations gets out of hand.
    DDragonz or other stuff like that.

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    Gurren Lagann * Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 76 SDef / 20 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Superpower
    - Bullet Punch
    - Pursuit
    - U-turn​

    Previously was a Scarf Latios xD.
    But with Latios was easliy trapped by opponets TTar or Scizor, so it was a somewhat instable revengekiller
    (Ok Scizor is trapped by magnezone, but i can smash Magnezone pretty easiy...)
    Scizor is here for another reason: Gengar.
    Focus Blast OHKOs Tyra, and Gengar can be a huge threat for my team.
    Gengar blocks my fight moves and limits Landorus's sweep, so Scizor is the best option here.
    This Pursuit core is the glue of the team.
    Evs let him switch ins Dmeteor easier.
    20 in speed let him reach 171 speed outspeeding all other Scizors who don't invest Ev in Spd.

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    Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Earth Power
    - Rock Polish
    The cleaner.
    Landorus has the only Fight resistance of the team.
    (yeah fightspam that suffers fightspam)
    This is helpful against other HO team, if it RP before the ohers (=.=)
    Modest is the nature i prefer, with Timid Lando misses lots of important KO, and it can outspeed everything even with neutral nature.
    Moves are always the same..Epowe the only usable special STAB,
    Fighting + Ice is an awesome coverage, and also Focus Blast is boosted by his trait.
    Hp Ice deals with other Landoruses, Gliscors, Latwins, or Flyng/Dragon types.

    Oh well, i don't know what to write more, so i'll end up here.
    I can handle pretty much anything, but...
    Agility Thundurus or SpecsKeldeo are the most difficult to handle.
    If they switch in and i can't do much...(Pursuit Tyra or Scizors..)
    Hope You like thiz team ^.^

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    Tyranitar (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge

    Breloom (M) @ Fighting Gem
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Mach Punch
    - Bullet Seed
    - Spore

    Keldeo (Keldeo-R) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Icy Wind
    - Secret Sword
    - Hidden Power [Electric]
    - Hydro Pump

    Terrakion @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Taunt
    - Stealth Rock

    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Superpower
    - Bullet Punch
    - Pursuit
    - U-turn

    Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Earth Power
    - Rock Polish
  2. BlackLight

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    Yo, not a bad team at all. Couple points for ya, though.
    First off, Landorus has a weird spread. With the one you have now, you only outspeed Timid Rotom W, which isn't used much these days. What's more, you will most likely be trying to Rock Polish off the bat, so you'll outspeed quite a few things. Dropping your speed down to 188 EVs gives you 285 Speed, which allows you to outspeed Timid Venusaur by a single point, so you don't have to worry so much about it. Put the remaining EVs into HP for some more bulk while setting up.
    Second, you're weak to fighting moves and water moves, which can be pretty bad. Keldeo and Breloom resist water, sure, but they take huge damage from rain powered water attacks. Keldeo is 2HKOed by Politoed's Choice Specs powered Hydro Pump, while Breloom is flat out OHKOed. This means that you'll have huge problems with rain teams, since nothing on your team can switch in on them. I'm sorta struggling to come up with a pokemon that can fit the role of a taking on Gengar while tanking boosted water moves, though. I would like to say, though, that Scizor is probably the move replaceable member of your team, since Breloom can revenge kill while Tyranitar has a stronger pursuit. I'd most likely replace him before anything else.
  3. Baka Ki Eru Dogura

    Baka Ki Eru Dogura

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    Thank you for the rate, I'll try 68 HP / 252 SAtk / 188 Spd Landorus.
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    Hi there, your team seems to have some damn good offensive synergy with a goal towards Lando-I. However, I'm sensing that you look pretty weak to enemy assaults with strong Hydro Pumps in the rain. Opposing Keldeo look like a hassle for you to handle. Looking at the rest of your team, this looks a bit worrisome since the fastest Pokemon on your team is a Keldeo, which sits at 108 Speed (which isn't that fast). While Specs Keldeo has amazing power, something I think you would appreciate is the freedom to switch, so I'd recommend swapping out Choice Specs on Keldeo for Expert Belt. However, this is an optional change, given the rest of the changes I am going to suggest. You need either paralysis support or a faster revenge-killing mon, which is why I support changing your Terrakion to Scarf Terrakion with Stone Edge / CC / EQ / Rock Slide. This allows you to handle some of the faster threats since not many run much faster than that point except for like Scarf Latios, but you've got a Ttar and another fix that can help handle that. Scizor, while it seems to answer Gengar, seems like the Pokemon that does the least beneficial work for your core since you already have Breloom as your priority revenge killer and your key to help you set-up with Spore. Though Scizor can scout with a U-turn, you're just too weak to most opposing Rain teams to not have a decent answer to them, as a result, I recommend trying an offensive Latias with Draco Meteor, Surf, HP Fire, Recover over Scizor. Certainly, this leaves two issues: SR user and Gengar handler. The easiest fix to this is to Chople Berry your Tyranitar with Stealth Rock (the on-site spread for Bulky Ttar should do as the Speed doesn't seem to matter as much, though you're more than welcome to run as much speed as you feel is necessary). This protects your Gengar from one Focus Blast and still weakens it enough to the point where another one of your teammates, presumably the Scarf Terrakion, to kill it. It's a shaky answer, but given the fixes help out answering fast offensive Rain answers and Fighters, I think it is a good tradeoff. As you mentioned though, the lack of Choice Band will hurt your ability to damage Skarm and as a result, you may want to keep the Specs Keldeo.

    Recommended fixes (open)

    • Change Scizor for Latias @ Life Orb/Leftovers D-Meteor / HP Fire / Surf/ Recover
    • Terrakion @ Choice Scarf Stone Edge / Close Combat / EQ / Rock Slide
    • Tyranitar @ Chople Berry SR / Pursuit / Crunch / Superpower
    • Keldeo to Expert Belt (Optional)
  5. joshe

    joshe the best

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    You are currently pretty rain weak and i think i can juggle around a few sets and maybe change one pokemon to fix that weakness and also to improve some offensive synergy that your team would like. ALSO I would like to say that I LOVE GURREN LAGANN SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I feel obliged to rate your team :P

    I feel a Specially Defensive Rotom-W will be a better fit on your team over Keldeo. Right now as it is you are very very rain weak and this would help mitigate that weakness quite alot. You currently don't have a single pokemon that can switch in on Jellicent without risk of getting burned and you have quite a bit of trouble handling Keldeo and Politoed as well. Rotom-w can take on Scarf Keldeo and and force Politoed out pretty easily with its attacks. Rotom-W offers many resistances in general as well and it acts as an offensive pivot to your team.Will-o-Wisp allows you to cripple stuff like Scizor, Tyranitar, and Breloom which can give terrakion and landorus a lot of trouble. With Volt Switch it pairs well with Scizor and his U-turn which allows you to have 2 scouters and an easy way to get Landorus or Breloom in for free. Volt Switch also allows you to put out a ton of offensive pressure against rain teams which helps ease your weakness just a little bit more. The set I'm suggesting will give you a status absorber as well which is something that your team will greatly appreciate.

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    Rotom-W @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 248 HP / 232 SDef / 28 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-o-wisp
    - Hydro Pump
    - Rest


    I also want to shore up a certain Quiver Dance Volcarona, Dragon Dance Dragonite, and other fast sweeper weakness that your team has. They can set up pretty easily on breloom after you use up your Spore and even then they probably have Lum Berry. Before I get into Breloom's set a little more I'd like to suggest a Scarf Terrakion over your current version. This shores up all your weaknesses to fast sweepers and gives you the same power you currently have along with more speed. Scarf Terrakion can fill a pretty boss role in being a late game cleaner as well. The Standard onsite set with a Choice Scarf, and the moves: Close Combat, Stone Edge, Rock Slide, and X-Scissor should work pretty well. You OHKO Dragonite and Volcarona with Stone Edge (Dragonite won't have multiscale up thanks to Sandstorm) and you still deal alot of damage to many things and help weaken up those counters for Landorus.

    Now we should focus on putting a Stealth Rock user on the team. I'm personally a big fan of Chople Berry Tyranitar and I feel it could help your weakness of Gengar and Tornadus out a bit. With Chople Berry it can tank any non stab fighting move (pretty sure it can tank a scarf keldeo secret sword as well at full health but i really wouldn't want you to rely on that lol) from pokemon such as Gengar, Tornadus, and Tyranitar and OHKO or deal tons of damage with the appropriate move (Tornadus needs SR + sandstorm for a 100% OHKO but usually tornadus runs life orb so it's pretty much guaranteed with Crunch). You lose out on pursuit but you can just play around a bit with Latias and Latios and kill them with Scizor pursuit (obv watch out for HP-FIRE). Tyranitar also helps out against Breloom and other steel types. with Fire Blast, Breloom can't switch in for free and you 2HKO Ferrothorn and Skarmory and OHKO Forretress and Scizor.

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    Tyranitar @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Crunch
    - Fire Blast
    - Superpower


    I feel you can use something better than Breloom now that we have Jellicent and stuff like Mamoswine covered. Breloom doesn't fit that well with your team as it allows too many pokemon to set up and we now have ways to beat down bulky waters, i.e. wear them down with volt-turn combos. You could try out an offensive Latias over Breloom and not lose out on very much. Latias gives you a solid check to Keldeo and Terrakion and also helps with your rain weakness and breloom weakness. Latias also provies alot of offensive synergy for your team as well. Mamoswine is taken care of pretty well with Rotom-w as all you have to do is switch it in on an Ice Shard or Earthquake and force it out as it can only hope to 2HKO you with Stone Edge. Latias also provides you with a pretty solid Rock Polish Landorus check as it can only hope to 2HKO you with Hidden Power [Ice] and you are faster so you either force it out or kill it. You can also try out Expert Belt on Latias to fake a choice set and then proceed to roast Scizor with Hidden Power [Fire] but you do lose out on a bit of power.

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    Latias (F) @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 72 HP / 184 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Hidden Power [Fire] / Psyshock
    - Surf / Psyshock
    - Recover


    Good Luck with your team and I hope you enjoy my suggestions :)
  6. Baka Ki Eru Dogura

    Baka Ki Eru Dogura

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    Ok then, I'll try chopletar and scarfkion.
    And Latias over Scizor too.
    Thanks for the rate.

    I really like Choice Specs Keldeo so... i decided not to change it.

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