RU Speed Tiers Update

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  1. Honko

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    Enough has changed that I'm just going to redo this completely.

    Speed / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature (+Spe, -Spe, or Neutral) / EVs / IVs / Boost

    Tier 0 (>Max Base 145 Speed (open)

    746 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 68 / 31 / +2
    678 / Sceptile / 120 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    610 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / +2
    568 / Kabutops / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +2
    559 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 68 / 31 / +1
    556 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / +2
    546 / Hitmonlee / 87 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    519 / Galvantula / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    518 / Kabutops / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    510 / Klinklang / 90 / Neutral / 156 / 31 / +2
    508 / Manectric / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    490 / Typhlosion / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / +1
    478 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    475 / Primeape / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    463 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    458 / Omastar / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +2
    457 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / +1
    447 / Rotom-C, Rotom-F / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    442 / Pinsir / 85 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1

    Tier 1 (>Max Base 100 Speed to Max Base 145 Speed) (open)

    427 / Accelgor / 145 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    426 / Kabutops, Medicham / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    420 / Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    418 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    417 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / +1
    403 / Pinsir / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +1
    398 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    394 / Aerodactyl / 130 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    388 / Kabutops, Medicham / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +1
    384 / Fraxure / 67 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    383 / Swellow / 125 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    382 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +1
    378 / Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +2
    376 / Emboar / 65 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    373 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 68 / 31 / 0
    372 / Sceptile / 120 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    361 / Cinccino / 115 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    355 / Scolipede / 112 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    350 / Archeops, Tauros / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    349 / Fraxure / 67 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / +1
    348 / Durant / 109 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    346 / Galvantula / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    343 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / +1
    339 / Sceptile / 120 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    339 / Manectric, Scyther / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0

    Tier 2 (>Max Neutral Nature Base 80 Speed to Max Base 100 Speed) (open)

    328 / Typhlosion, Linoone / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    323 / Cryogonal / 105 / +Spe / 192 / 31 / 0
    322 / Sigilyph / 97 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    317 / Uxie, Drapion, Jynx / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    310 / Electivire / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    309 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    306 / Moltres, Zangoose / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    305 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 0
    300 / Hitmonlee / 87 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    299 / Entei / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    298 / Rotom-C, Rotom-F / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    295 / Pinsir / 85 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    291 / Magmortar / 83 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    284 / Kabutops, Gallade, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    280 / Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    278 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 0
    273 / Hitmonlee / 87 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    273 / Smeargle, Absol / 75 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    271 / Rotom-C / 86 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    269 / Pinsir / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    268 / Whimsicott / 116 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    265 / Magmortar / 83 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0

    Tier 3 (Max Neutral Nature Base 55 Speed to Max Neutral Nature Base 80 Speed) (open)

    259 / Kabutops, Gallade, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    256 / Fraxure / 67 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    255 / Klinklang / 90 / Neutral / 156 / 31 / 0
    255 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    252 / Cryogonal / 105 / Neutral / 24 / 31 / 0
    252 / Uxie / 95 / Neutral / 104 / 31 / 0
    251 / Nidoqueen, Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    251 / Glaceon, Emboar / 65 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    249 / Absol / 75 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    239 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    236 / Miltank / 100 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    233 / Fraxure / 67 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    230 / Sigilyph / 97 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    230 / Uxie, Drapion / 95 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    230 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 152 / 31 / 0
    229 / Glaceon, Emboar / 65 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    229 / Crawdaunt, Omastar / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    210 / Qwilfish, Misdreavus / 85 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    209 / Crawdaunt, Omastar, Bouffalant, Golurk / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0

    Tier 4 (<Max Neutral Nature Base 55 Speed) (open)

    200 / Mandibuzz / 80 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    200 / Magneton / 70 / Neutral / 100 / 30 / 0
    199 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    189 / Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    179 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    176 / Poliwrath / 70 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    171 / Bouffalant, Golurk / 55 / Neutral / 100 / 31 / 0
    171 / Aggron, Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 140 / 31 / 0
    170 / Lanturn / 67 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    166 / Sandslash / 65 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    158 / Poliwrath / 70 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    156 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    146 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    140 / Clefable / 60 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    137 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 0 / 84 / 0
    136 / Tangrowth, Hariyama / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    132 / Druddigon / 48 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    126 / Dusknoir, Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    122 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    106 / Spiritomb, Quagsire / 35 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    96 / Slowking, Amoonguss / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    95 / Quagsire / 35 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    76 / Escavalier / 20 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    58 / Slowking, Steelix / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0
    46 / Munchlax / 5 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    22 / Ferroseed / 10 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0

    Feel free to comment. This should stay open at least until the final decision on Cresselia and Nidoqueen.
  2. Honko

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    Removed Cresselia, added Rotom-F and Glaceon. This should be ready to go up.
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    I know you hate it but I think min Speed Whimsi deserves a mention.

    Might as well slash Braviary next to the +1 neutral base 80s too

    IMO slash Golurk next to min speed neutral Omastar

    Max speed Linoone next to Typhlosion

    Min speed Misdreavus might deserve a mention too

    And slash Zangoose next to Moltres

    I think those are the only semi-relevant ones that should be mentioned that aren't. Good job Honko B)
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    Added Zangoose and Misdreavus.

    Added Whimsi and Linoone even though they both suck and are pretty pointless for speed tiers since everything that can outspeed them usually gets no benefit from doing so.

    Would like more opinions on bulky Golurk. Min Speed sounds terrible and probably only gets used because of PS's unfinished spread recommender. IMO Golurk should never go below 100 Spe for Lanturn (the same spread Bouffalant has in its analysis). I'll add that for now, but if any QC has used slow spreads on Golurk please share your thoughts.

    Not adding Braviary. There are enough things in the base 80 group. I could list Stoutland and Gardevoir and Altaria and Drifblim and Glalie there too, but it's already clear enough that the base 80 threshold is very important so I'm drawing the line at the 4 RU mons.
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    Yeah, 100 Speed is the way to go for Golurk. I've used bulky Golurk extensively and can attest that it's the best spread. I usually Speed creep a bit because there are a couple other things that aim to outspeed Lanturn, like Aggron (Golurk is actually a really good Aggron check) and offensive Tangrowth (although you can't really do anything to it), but obviously you can't do that in an analysis. So yeah, 100 Speed is good.
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