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RU Speed Tiers

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Honko, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. Honko

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    Speed is the most delicate stat in competitive Pokemon. Whoever attacks first has a huge advantage in most matchups, so a single point of Speed can have major value, whereas a single point of Attack or HP is unlikely to have much of an effect at all. On the other hand, there is no reward for overinvesting in Speed; a bit of extra power or bulk will always have some value, but there is absolutely no difference between outspeeding an opponent by 100 points and outspeeding them by 1. For many Pokemon, especially those with uncommon base Speed stats, this means maximizing Speed is a waste of EVs. Trying to find the balance between outspeeding as many threats as possible without wasting too many EVs is probably the most difficult part of making an EV spread.

    This guide is here to help you make informed decisions when you create EV spreads for your RU teams. It shows the Speed benchmarks that all of RU's biggest threats commonly sit at, so you know exactly how much Speed you need to outrun the threats you want to beat without wasting any EVs.

    Speed / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature (+Spe, -Spe, Neutral) / EVs / IVs / Boost

    Tier 0 (Boosts Required) (open)

    780 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 136 / 31 / 2
    658 / Sceptile / 120 / Neutral / 212 / 31 / 2
    634 / Sawsbuck / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    610 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 2
    585 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 136 / 31 / 1
    578 / Sawsbuck / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    568 / Kabutops / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    560 / Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    556 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 2
    546 / Hitmonlee / 87 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2

    Tier 1 (>Max Base 145 Speed to Max Choice Scarf Base 110 Speed) (open)
    525 / Archeops / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    519 / Galvantula / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    518 / Kabutops / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    510 / Klinklang / 90 / Neutral / 156 / 31 / 2
    510 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    508 / Manectric / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    492 / Typhlosion / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    480 / Drifblim / 80 / Neutral / 176 / 31 / 2
    478 / Ludicolo, Victreebel / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    475 / Primeape, Jynx / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    463 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    459 / Moltres / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    458 / Omastar, Crawdaunt / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    457 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 1
    450 / Hitmonlee / 87 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    448 / Typhlosion / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    446 / Gorebyss / 52 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    445 / Rotom-C / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 1
    434 / Tangrowth / 50 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 2
    433 / Drapion / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    429 / Magmortar / 83 / +Spe / 232 / 31 / 1

    Tier 2 (>Max Base 100 Speed to Max Base 145 Speed) (open)
    427 / Accelgor / 145 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    426 / Gallade, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    420 / Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    418 / Moltres / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    418 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    417 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 1
    409 / Hitmonlee / 87 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    409 / Absol / 75 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    406 / Gorebyss / 52 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    398 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    396 / Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 2
    394 / Aerodactyl / 130 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    393 / Magneton / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    392 / Rhydon / 40 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 2
    390 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / 136 / 31 / 0
    388 / Gallade, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    383 / Swellow / 125 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    382 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    378 / Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    373 / Absol / 75 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 1
    372 / Sceptile / 120 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    359 / Aerodactyl / 130 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    358 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 2
    355 / Scolipede / 112 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    350 / Archeops / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    346 / Galvantula / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    343 / Crawdaunt, Ursaring / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 1
    339 / Manectric, Scyther, Cryogonal / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    329 / Sceptile / 120 / Neutral / 212 / 31 / 0

    Tier 3 (>Max Neutral-Nature Base 80 Speed to Max Base 100 Speed) (open)
    328 / Entei, Typhlosion, Miltank, Linoone / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    322 / Sigilyph / 97 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    317 / Uxie, Drapion, Primeape, Haunter, Sawsbuck / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    310 / Electivire / 95 / +Spe / 224 / 31 / 0
    309 / Rotom / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    306 / Moltres / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    305 / Lilligant / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 0
    300 / Hitmonlee / 87 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    299 / Entei / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    297 / Rotom-C / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 0
    286 / Magmortar / 83 / +Spe / 232 / 31 / 0
    284 / Gallade, Kabutops, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    280 / Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    278 / Lilligant / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 0
    273 / Hitmonlee / 87 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    273 / Smeargle / 75 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0

    Tier 4 (Min Base 70 Speed to Max Neutral-Nature Base 80 Speed) (open)
    259 / Gallade, Kabutops, Medicham, Mesprit / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    255 / Klinklang / 90 / Neutral / 156 / 31 / 0
    255 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    249 / Absol / 75 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    246 / Cryogonal / 105 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    240 / Drifblim / 80 / Neutral / 176 / 31 / 0
    239 / Ludicolo, Victreebel / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    236 / Miltank / 100 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    230 / Uxie, Drapion / 95 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    230 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 152 / 31 / 0
    230 / Hitmonchan / 76 / Neutral / 168 / 31 / 0
    229 / Omastar, Crawdaunt, Ursaring / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    223 / Gorebyss / 52 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    217 / Tangrowth / 50 / +Spe / 252 / 30 / 0
    210 / Rotom-C / 86 / Neutral / 8 / 31 / 0
    210 / Qwilfish / 85 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    210 / Gallade / 80 / Neutral / 56 / 31 / 0
    209 / Omastar, Crawdaunt, Bouffalant, Golurk / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    203 / Gorebyss / 52 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    200 / Mandibuzz / 80 / Neutral / 16 / 31 / 0
    200 / Ludicolo, Magneton / 70 / Neutral / 96 / 31 / 0
    199 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    198 / Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 30 / 0
    196 / Rhydon / 40 / +Spe / 252 / 31 / 0
    189 / Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    179 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 252 / 31 / 0
    176 / Poliwrath, Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0

    Tier 5 (<Min Base 70 Speed) (open)
    171 / Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 144 / 30 / 0
    171 / Aggron / 50 / Neutral / 140 / 31 / 0
    170 / Lanturn / 67 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    166 / Sandslash, Roselia / 65 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    157 / Golurk / 55 / Neutral / 44 / 31 / 0
    157 / Hariyama / 50 / Neutral / 84 / 31 / 0
    156 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    148 / Gallade, Mesprit / 80 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0
    146 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    140 / Clefable / 60 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    136 / Hariyama, Eelektross / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    135 / Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 30 / 0
    132 / Druddigon / 48 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    127 / Spiritomb / 35 / Neutral / 84 / 31 / 0
    126 / Dusknoir, Crustle / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    121 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 30 / 0
    116 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    106 / Spiritomb, Quagsire / 35 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    96 / Cofagrigus, Slowking / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    95 / Quagsire / 35 / -Spe / 0 / 31 / 0
    60 / Cofagrigus / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 2 / 0
    58 / Slowking, Steelix / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0
    46 / Munchlax / 5 / Neutral / 0 / 31 / 0
    22 / Ferroseed / 10 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0
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    munchlax is slower than ferroseed
  3. New World Order

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    Munchlax doesn't run 0 Speed IVs and hindering nature though.
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    You're missing Swellow at 125 base, and you'll want Sharpedo with 124 EVs to outspeed it after one boost. 84 is OU/UU (and it would be a shame to miss Alakazam by 2 points!)
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    sawsbuck in sun. mention it. ;)
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    I don't feel that Swellow is enough of a threat to be considered, since I just went by usage stats. But if you can prove otherwise, I will add it. As well, shouldn't Sharpedo theoretically tun 92 Speed to Outspeed Alakazam? I'm not particularly sure what 124 Speed EVs are for lol.

    Will do.
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    Well, Swellow does have an analysis, STAB Guts Facade and Brave Bird (210 and 180 base factoring STAB, reminiscent of Staraptor-CC almost), and base 125 Speed. Magneton, which is good itself, takes care of Steel-types, while Rock-types are pretty much prey for Fighting-types (Medichan, Gallade, I guess). Swellow may not be top tier, but it can't hurt to mention.

    Therefore, Sharpedo can run 124 to outspeed it.
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    Made some changes.

    V0x, I decided to give "fast Sharpedo" 160 Speed EVs instead, because this allows it to outspeed a Choice Scarf Honchrow, which IMO is a much more important speed benchmark than Swellow.
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    What is the point of the +3 and +4 Sharpedos and Lilligants at the top?

    I think +1 Chlorophyll Lilligant in Sun should be the top threat and then +2 Sawsbuck and work from there. There's no need to have +3 and +4 Pokemon up there imo.

    Also +1 Sceptile and Tauros are unnecessary because Scarf versions are never used. +2 Sceptile should be added though because you see the odd Unburden set now and again.

    Also Ninjask and Electrode should be included.

    edit: I think this whole list is very confusing because there are far too many sets. Stuff like Adamant Tauros shouldn't be included because every Tauros player in their right mind uses Jolly. I know it's a work in progress but there's lots of anomalies like that at the moment that needs to be weeded out. Good job on the article though, just needs a thorough going over by QC.

    edit2: Just noticed +2 Torkoal lol, nice touch
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    Definitely need +2 Sceptile and +1 Porygon-Z. Trick Room Cofagrigus would be another good addition (it runs 2 Spe IVs). Add those for now and I'll check this more thoroughly later.
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    where does the +2 sceptile come from? agility?
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    +2 Sceptile would come from unburden
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    lol, always though unburden gave +1 Speed. But then again, I haven't used Sceptile once in any tier. The more you know :P
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    OK, I've gone through and made some notes. Here are the some changes to make

    ADD:

    • Timid Scarf Galvantula
    • Klinklang (Adamant 124 Spe, +0 and +2)
    • Smeargle (Jolly 252 Spe)
    • Bulky Gallade (Careful 44 Spe)
    • OTR Gallade (Brave 0 Spe 0 IVs)
    • Support Tangrowth (Bold 0 Spe)
    • Support Quagsire (Bold 0 Spe, Relaxed 0 Spe)
    • Curse Quagsire (Calm 0 Spe, +0 and -1 and -2)

    CHANGE:

    • Agility Porygon-Z (should be Modest 92 Spe)
    • Feraligatr (SD uses Adamant 200 Spe, DD uses Jolly 252 Spe)
    • Hitmonchan (Adamant 216 Spe)
    • Support Rotom-C (Modest 136 Spe)
    • Uxie (Bold 16 Spe)

    REMOVE:

    • Jolly Qwilfish and Gligar, both at +0 and +2. Extremely uncommon.
    • Timid Ludicolo, both at +0 and +2. Ludicolo is always Modest.
    • Altaria and Gardevoir. There are enough base 80s on the list and these guys are firmly NU.
    • Haunter. There are also enough base 95s, and he's firmly NU too.
    • Torkoal. It's NU for good reason.
    • Modest non-Scarf Typhlosion. If it's not Scarf, it's always Timid.
    • Adamant non-Scarf Krookodile. Same as above.
    • +2 support Omastar. Support Omastar does not belong on a rain team.
    • 176 Spe Moltres. They're always 252 Spe, or at least they should be.
    • 0 Speed base 80s (Braviary, Gallade, etc). Who uses 0 Speed Braviary?
    • Snover. It's banned.
    • Negative nature Claydol. Nobody uses it.
    • Curse Steelix. Nobody uses it.
    • Jolly (non-Scarf) Honchkrow. Screw Jolly Honchkrow.
    I probably missed a few things but I'll check again later.
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    Please have the organization of the different "tiers" match with that of other speed tier articles (aka base speeds rather than pokemon x to pokemon y). Also, 7 speeds "tiers" with one containing only one pokemon is a bit excessive...
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    You should include max Speed, neutral/positive natured Tangrowth in the sun.
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    Oh my god, I've neglected this article so much, I'll definitely get some work done over the weekend. School is gay.
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    just wondering how this is going
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    I swear I'll make the changes once my school workload dies down a bit, and I'll have to go in and edit in the tier shifts etc too.
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    Trollfreak will help me update this soon
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    Placeholder for my update

    C/P Version (open)
    I have compiled a list of all the pokemon in RU who have significant enough usage to be justified for a slot (2.5%).

    Comma denotes Pokemon with the same speed and speed stats. Semicolon denotes Pokemon with the same speed but different speed stats.

    Speed/ Pokemon/ Base/ EV/ Nature/ IV/ Boost

    Almost Done

    Tier 0: Superboosters (+4 fast Sharpedo to +2 slow Sharpedo)

    762/ Lilligant/ 90/ 252/ +/ 30/ 3
    695/ Lilligant/ 90/ 252/ 0/ 30/ 3
    678/ Sceptile/ 120/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    664/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 160/ 0/ 31/ 3
    637/ Lilligant/ 90/ 68/ +/ 30/ 3
    634/ Sawsbuck/ 95/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    617 Sharpedo/ 95/ 84/ 0/ 31/ 3
    610/ Lilligant, Porygon-Z/ 252/ +/ 30/ 2
    590/ Gligar, Qwilfish/ 85/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    578/ Sawsbuck/ 95/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 2
    568/ Kabutops/ 80/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    556/ Lilligant/ 90/ 252/ 0/ 30/ 2
    532/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 160/ 0/ 31/ 2
    518/ Kabutops/ 80/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 2
    510/ Lilligant/ 90/ 68/ +/ 30/ 2
    508/ Manetric/ 105/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    504/ Ludicolo/ 70/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    494/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 84/ 0/ 31/ 2


    Tier 1: Speedy Scarfers (+1 Typhlosion to +1 Primeape)

    492/ Typhlosion/ 100/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    478/ Ludicolo; Tauros/ 70; 110/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 2; 1
    475/ Electivire, Primeape/ 95/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    466/ Krookodile/ 92/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    463/ Manetric; Rotom/ 105; 91/ 252/ 0; +/ 31/ 1
    459/ Moltres/ 90/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    458/ Omastar/ 55/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    457/ Lilligant; Porygon-Z/ 90/ 252/ +/ 30/ 1
    450/ Hitmonlee/ 87/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    448/ Typhlosion/ 100/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1
    447/ Rotom-C, Rotom-S/ 86/ +/ 31/ 1
    436/ Aggron/ 40/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    433/ Primeape/ 95/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1


    Tier 2: Ninja (max speed Accelgor to max speed Galvantula)

    427/ Accelgor/ 145/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    426/ Altaria, Braviary, Gallade, Gardevoir, Medicham/ 80/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    424/ Altaria; Krookodile/ 80; 92/ 252/ +; 0/ 31/ 1
    418/ Moltres; Omastar/ 90; 55/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1; 2
    417/ Lilligant; Porygon-Z/ 90/ 252/ 0/ 30/ 1
    409/ Absol; Hitmonlee/ 75; 87/ 252/ 0; +/ 31/ 1
    406/ Rotom-C, Rotom-S/ 86/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1
    399/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 160/ 0/ 31/ 1
    398/ Aggron/ 50/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 2
    397/ Honchrow/ 71/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    392/ Kabutops/ 80/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 2
    389/ Accelgor/ 145/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    388/ Altaria, Braviary, Gallade, Medicham/ 80/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1
    383/ Swellow/ 125/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    382/ Lilligant/ 90/ 68/ +/ 30/ 1
    378/ Crustle/ 45/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 2
    373/ Absol/ 75/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1
    372/ Sceptile/ 120/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    371/ Sceptile/ 120/ 252/ +/ 30/ 0
    370/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 84/ 0/ 31/ 1
    361/ Honchrow/ 71/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 1
    355/ Scolipede/ 112/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    350/ Archeops, Tauros/ 110/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    348/ Durant/ 109/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    346/ Galvantula/ 108/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0


    Tier 3: Speedsters (+1 Crawdaunt to max speed Gligar)

    343/ Crawdaunt/ 55/ 252/ +/ 31/ 1
    339/ Sceptile; Cryogonal, Manetric, Scyther/ 120; 105/ 252/ 0; +/ 31/ 0
    330/ Feraligatr/ 78/ 112/ 0/ 31/ 1
    328/ Entei, Typhlosion/ 100/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    319/ Archeops, Tauros/ 110/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    318/ Altaria/ 80/ 64/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 1
    317/ Drapion, Electivire, Haunter, Primeape, Sawsbuck/ 95/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    311/ Krookodile/ 92/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    309/ Rotom/ 91/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    308/ Rotom/ 91/ 252/ +/ 30/ 0
    306/ Moltres/ 90/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    305/ Lilligant, Porygon-Z/ 90/ 252/ +/ 30/ 0
    304/ Torkoal/ 20/ 252/ +/ 31/ 2
    300/ Hitmonlee/ 87/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    299/ Entei, Typhlosion/ 100/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    298/ Rotom-C, Rotom-S/ 86/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    295/ Gligar, Qwilfish/ 85/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0


    Tier 4: Average Joe (+2 support Omastar to unEV'd Drapion)

    292/ Omastar/ 55/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 2
    291/ Snover/ 40/ 244/ +/ 31/ 1
    289/ Primeape, Sawsbuck/ 95/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    284/ Altaria, Braviary, Gallade, Gardevoir, Kabutops, Medicham/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    283/ Krookodile/ 92/ 0/ 31/ 0
    279/ Moltres/ 90/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    278/ Lilligant, Porygon-Z/ 90/ 252/ 0/ 30/ 0
    273/ Absol; Feraligatr; Hitmonlee/ 75; 78; 87/ 252; 228; 252/ +; +; 0/ 31/ 0
    271/ Rotom-C, Rotom-S/ 86/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    266/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 160/ 0/ 31/ 0
    265/ Honchrow; Snover/ 71; 40/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0; 1
    260/ Moltres/ 90/ 176/ +/ 31/ 0
    259/ Altaria, Braviary, Gallade, Kabutops, Medicham/ 80/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    255/ Lilligant/ 90/ 68/ +/ 30/ 0
    252/ Ludicolo/ 70/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    249/ Absol/ 75/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    247/ Sharpedo/ 95/ 84/ 0/ 31/ 0
    246/ Cryogonal/ 105/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    241/ Honchrow/ 71/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    239/ Ludicolo/ 70/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    236/ Miltank/ 100/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    229/ Crawdaunt, Omastar/ 55/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    226/ Drapion, Uxie/ 95/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0


    Tier 5: Slowbros (unboosted bulky Feraligatr to speed hindered Claydol)

    220/ Feraligatr/ 78/ 112/ 0/ 31/ 0
    218/ Aggron/ 50/ 252/ +/ 31/ 0
    212/ Altaria/ 80/ 64/ 0/ 31/ 0
    209/ Boufflant, Crawdaunt, Omastar/ 55/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    208/ Rotom-C, Rotom-S/ 86/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    207/ Poliwrath/ 70/ 124/ 0/ 31/ 0
    206/ Gligar, Qwilfish/ 85/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    203/ Uxie/ 95/ 0/ -/ 31/ 0
    200/ Mandibuzz/ 80/ 16/ 0/ 31/ 0
    199/ Aggron; Gallade/ 50; 80/ 252; 12/ 0/ 31/ 0
    196/ Altaria, Braviary, Gallade, Mandibuzz/ 80/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    194/ Snover/ 40/ 244/ +/ 31/ 0
    189/ Crustle/ 45/ 252/ 0/ 31/ 0
    188/ Hitmonchan/ 76/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    186/ Claydol/ 75/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    176/ Poliwrath/ 70/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    170/ Lanturn/ 67/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    167/ Claydol/ 75/ 0/ -/ 31/ 0


    Tier 6: Shuckle Tier (unEV'd Alomomola to -2 Munchlax)

    166/ Alomomola, Sandslash/ 65/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    157/ Miltank/ 100/ 0/ 0/ 31/ -1
    156/ Clefable; Torkoal/ 60; 20/ 0; 252/ 0; +/ 31/ 0
    146/ Omastar/ 55/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    140/ Clefable/ 60/ 0/ -/ 31/ 0
    136/ Aggron, Elektross, Hariyama/ 50/ 0/ 0/ 31/0
    126/ Crustle, Dusknoir/ 45/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    118/ Miltank/ 100/ 0/ 0/ 31/ -2
    116/ Snover/ 40/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    96/ Cofagrigus, Slowking/ 30/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    94/ Hariyama/ 50/ 0/ -/ 0/ 0
    85/ Dusknoir/ 45/ 0/ -/ 0/ 0
    76/ Torkoal/ 20/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    61/ Cofagrigus/ 30/ 0/ -/ 2/ 0
    58/ Slowking, Steelix/ 30/ 0/ -/ 0/ 0
    46/ Munchlax/ 5/ 0/ 0/ 31/ 0
    38/ Steelix/ 30/ 0/ -/ 0/ -1
    30/ Munchlax/ 5/ 0/ 0/ 31/ -1
    29/ Steelix/ 30/ 0/ -/ 0/ -2
    23/ Munchlax/ 5/ 0/ 0/ 31/ -2


    Tier 7: Slow And Steady Wins the Race (Click to Find Out)

    22 Ferroseed/ 10/ 0/ -/ 0/ 0

    Ferroseed is so slow it gets its own tier




    Changes I Plan to make (open)
    ADD:

    • Timid Scarf Galvantula
    • Klinklang (Adamant 124 Spe, +0 and +2)
    • Smeargle (Jolly 252 Spe)
    • Bulky Gallade (Careful 44 Spe)
    • OTR Gallade (Brave 0 Spe 0 IVs)
    • Support Tangrowth (Bold 0 Spe)
    • Support Quagsire (Bold 0 Spe, Relaxed 0 Spe)
    • Curse Quagsire (Calm 0 Spe, +0 and -1 and -2)

    CHANGE:

    • Agility Porygon-Z (should be Modest 92 Spe)
    • Feraligatr (SD uses Adamant 200 Spe, DD uses Jolly 252 Spe)
    • Hitmonchan (Adamant 216 Spe)
    • Support Rotom-C (Modest 136 Spe)
    • Uxie (Bold 16 Spe)

    REMOVE:

    • Jolly Qwilfish and Gligar, both at +0 and +2. Extremely uncommon.
    • Timid Ludicolo, both at +0 and +2. Ludicolo is always Modest.
    • Altaria and Gardevoir. There are enough base 80s on the list and these guys are firmly NU.
    • Haunter. There are also enough base 95s, and he's firmly NU too.
    • Torkoal. It's NU for good reason.
    • Modest non-Scarf Typhlosion. If it's not Scarf, it's always Timid.
    • Adamant non-Scarf Krookodile. Same as above.
    • +2 support Omastar. Support Omastar does not belong on a rain team.
    • 176 Spe Moltres. They're always 252 Spe, or at least they should be.
    • 0 Speed base 80s (Braviary, Gallade, etc). Who uses 0 Speed Braviary?
    • Snover. It's banned.
    • Negative nature Claydol. Nobody uses it.
    • Curse Steelix. Nobody uses it.
    • Jolly (non-Scarf) Honchkrow. Screw Jolly Honchkrow.
    Teirs Shifts will be added as well

  22. Honko

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    OK it's time to get this done. I've put an updated list in the OP. If I left out anything relevant (no Pidgeots, and no Rain Dance Qwilfish), or if I made any errors, let me know quickly.
  23. Nexus

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    This is missing an intro, like the one in the OU Speed Tiers doesn't have to be as lengthy
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    Steelix is missing from the list.
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    No it isn't.

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