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Samurott - (QC 3/3)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by soviet, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. soviet

    soviet おちんちん大好きです

    Jul 23, 2010


    • Two viable sets that have different counters make trying to counter Samurott a guessing game (a la salamence)
    • Has access to moves that give it a good niche over the competition (like Megahorn)
    • Good mixed offenses and good attacking movepool make it a formidable sweeper
    • Respectable defenses mean it can take a hit
    • Not many things can switch in, especially with hazards
    • Kinda slow

    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Hydro Pump
    Move 2: Hidden Power Grass
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Megahorn / Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Torrent
    nature: Naive
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

    • Good coverage coming from a good special attack means Samurott is a good wallbreaker
    • Beats a lot of common bulky attackers
    • Megahorn kills Slowkings that think they can wall you
    • Surf for accuracy and Grass Knot because it hits a few pokemon harder (Feraligatr and Poliwrath)

    • EVs for speed letting it outspeed neutral nature base 80s and lower (Kabutops, Gallade, Feraligatr)
    • Superpower can be used over Megahorn to hit Ferroseed and Clefable if you aren't worried about Slowking
    • Surf can be used over Hydro Pump if you find yourself consistently missing
    • Samurott appreciates hazards to make it harder to switch into
    • Many sweepers enjoy the wallbreaking potential of this set, special mention to Braviary, Accelgor and Swellow due to them beating the grass types that beat rott while rott also beats their counters
    • Smeargle, Accelgor, Scolipede, and Omastar are good at setting spikes for Samurott
    • Ferroseed stands out as an excellent spiker as it resists rott's main weaknesses and vice versa
    • CB Drapion can help pursuit Rotom that wish to revenge Samurott
    • Roselia, Accelgor, Amoonguss, Entei, and Magmortar are good partners because they can check faster grass pokemon such as Sceptile, Lilligant, and Sawsbuck that attempt to revenge Samurott
    • Fire type pokemon like Moltres, Magmortar, and Entei are good because they can beat Samurott's main counter: Ferroseed

    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Waterfall
    move 3: Megahorn
    move 4: Aqua Jet
    item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    ability: Torrent
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

    • Access to good water priority to help against potential revengers
    • Megahorn differentiates this from both Feraligatr and Kabutops
    • +2 Megahorn OHKOs Tangrowth (Lum Berry needs SR to get the OHKO)
    • SD allows Samurott to boost up and deal significant damage to any team
    • Waterfall is the main STAB due to good damage and flinch rate

    • EVs for speed letting it outspeed neutral nature base 80s and lower (Kabutops, Gallade, Feraligatr)
    • Adamant nature can be used to hit with extra pwr
    • Mystic Water can be used over Life Orb to get a boost on the water moves while not decreasing longevity (especially in torrent range)
    • Samurott enjoys stealth Rock (especially lum berry) to get OHKOs or ensure them
    • Uxie and Smeargle can set up SR
    • Samurott enjoys being partnered with offensive Grass types like Liligant, Rotom-c, Sawsbuck, or Sceptile due to them having good defensive synergy
    • Rotom-C makes an excellent partner for Samurott due to Volt Switch allowing the Samurott user to gain valuable momentum as well as destroying main Rotom counters
    • With Toxic Spikes support (for quagsire) Samurott can be dangerous to stall
    • Accelgor and Scolipede both make good partners due to them: being fast, able to set up hazards, being good switch-ins to grass pokemon
    • Fire type pokemon like Moltres, Magmortar, and Entei are good because they can beat Samurott's main counter: Ferroseed
    • CB Drapion can help pursuit faster Pokemon that wish to revenge Samurott

    [Other Options]
    • You can run Choice band to hit with pwr, using either Superpower, Night Slash, or Dragon Tail over Swords Dance; with Superpower as the preferred move
    • Choice specs can be used with the Mixed attacker set for more pwr
    • Air Slash can be used on the mix attacker for hitting Ludicol
    • A physically defensive spread 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd is usable with a good support movepool such as Encore, Taunt, D-Tail and the pwrful Copycat
    • Taunt can be used over Megahorn on the Mixed Attacker set

    [Checks and Counters]
    • The Mixed Attacker is very difficult to counter due to good coverage and power to back it up
    • Fast Grass type pokemon such as Sceptile, Rotom-C, Lilligant, and Sawsbuck can attempt to revenge Samurott
    • Any special attacker over base 70 Speed that can OHKO can revenge the Mixed set
    • Poliwrath can wall and set up on the Swords Dance set
    • Ferroseed walls all sets (except for band) and can set up hazards on Samurott
    • Quagsire walls the Swords Dance set due to its ability
    • Qwilfish does a good job countering SD Samurott by typing + Intimidate as well as setting up spikes
    • Altaria can wall the Swords Dance set and potentially set up on it
    • Certain would-be checks to the Swords Dance set need to be careful of a +2 Aqua Jet (especially if Torrent is active)
  2. asterat


    Jul 20, 2011
    I use this over feraligatr because it can OHKO slowking and tangrowth at +2, I think swords dance should be the first set.
  3. Molk

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    Jul 27, 2011
    I already talked to you on irc about this but ill sum up the changes here.

    1) Make sure to mention an adamant nature in the Ac of the swords dance set, it provides some more power to its aqua jet so it can take down foes like manectric at +2, but you miss out on things like adamant absol. (we might want this slashed later, not sure yet)

    2) Make sure to give rotom-C special mention as one of the best teammates for samurott (I know its already mentioned, but its an excellent teammate). Using volt switch to grab momentum from rott's usual switch ins is amazing. Also, a well played volt switch can get samurott in for free. In return, rott can destroy the ground types that force rotom-C to use leaf storm, and give it more freedom when using volt switch.

    3) for the Ac of the mixed set, mention that most sweepers enjoy samurott's wallbreaking capabilities. Give Swellow, Braviary, and Accelgor special mention for being able to defeat the grass types that rott hates, while samurott breaks their counters into pieces in return.

    Anyways, im going to approve this

    QC Approved 1/3
  4. SilentVerse

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    Dec 12, 2009
    Looks good:

  5. DTC

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    May 8, 2011
    You might want to mention Mystic Water in AC of Swords Dance. Life Orb recoil is really nasty for Swords Dance Samurott, especially when it is unable to take advantage of Torrent effectively because it dies after 2-3 more attacks. Mystic Water (or Splash Plate) powers up 2/3 of Samurott's attacks and doesn't make Samurott lose 10% health every time it attacks. Just something to think about. :toast:
  6. soviet

    soviet おちんちん大好きです

    Jul 23, 2010
    ok i've updated with all the changes, thanks :)
  7. blarajan

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    Aug 29, 2010
    Yeah, I agree with DTC, and it was the first thing I really thought of--I want a big mention of Splash Plate (Mystic Water is a foolish item name) in the Swords Dance set. Likewise, remove the line in the OO that says "Air Slash can be used for Ludicolo in the Mixed set"...you have Megahorn for that. Make Swords Dance the first set.

    QC 3/3

    Omi edit: wtf blarajan is RU QC
  8. Zaon


    Oct 21, 2012
    You should slash Aqua Jet on the Mixed Attacker. It allows Samurott to revenge kill Moltres, Entei, Typhlosion, Aero etc...

    Also, I think this spread could work better on the Mixed Attacker :

    84 Atk / 180 SpA / 244 Spe

    EVs in Attack allow to 2HKO Roselia and OHKO Aerodactyl and Typhlosion After SR and Torrent while the EVs in Speed allow to outspeed neutral nature base 80s.
  9. DittoCrow

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    Mar 15, 2010
    This has been reassigned due to inactivity. TrollFreak will write it.

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