Sand Veil in DPP

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We've had a good discussion and a lot of interesting points and suggesions have been brought up. There is an almost unanimous agreement that something should be done regarding Sand Veil and we're gonna proceed with that. To be honest, things looked bright as soon as Conflict rallied the cause...

Anyway, what's up for contention is what exactly are we going to do. Different propositions have been mentionned and we retained these one:
  • Do Nothing - Some might think nothing should be done.
  • Ban Gliscor - Since it's the only real problematic abuser of Sand Veil, it makes sense to only remove it, especially since it's also at the root of the Baton Pass teams that everyone loves to hate.
  • Ban Sand Veil - Sand Veil is deemed uncompetitive and should be removed altogether, regardless of its user. Gliscor is still allowed with Hyper Cutter.
  • Ban Sand Veil and Snow Cloak under the Evasion Clause - While Sand Snow Cloak isn't as prominent because of its worse enabler and abuser, it works exactly like Sand Veil and it makes sense to file it under the Evasion Clause. Gliscor is still allowed with Hyper Cutter.
We considered Jibaku's proposal, but we deemed it too messy and not consistent with some of our previous bans (for example: Blaziken).

Much like the BW vote with Excadrill and the Weather Abilities, we'll let the players decide what's the appropriate course of action for the tier. We used similar criteria to establish the list of voters, they are as follows:
  • The player has reached the Semi-Final of the Smogon Classic DPP Cup;
  • The player was one of the people who collected the most amount of DPP Points in Smogon Tour 19 or Smogon Tour 20 (Top 3 amount);
  • The player played DPP in the 6th SPL, and has at least played 6 DPP Games in it (out of a maximum of 11, so at least 50%);
  • The player played DPP in the 10th WCoP, and has at least played 3 DPP Games in it (out of a maximum of 6, so at least 50%).
  • The player is a Tournament Director.
  • We requested a minimum of games played in WCoP and SPL because we often see people playing one game in a metagame they barely know just because their team was out at the moment they subbed the player in for example.
  • We only took the tournaments that have happened in the past year, as they're the most up to date with the metagame advancement.

Here are the players that have earned their vote under these criteria:
1. Aldaron (TD)
2. august (SPL / WCoP)
3. babidi1998 (DPP Cup / SPL)
4. BKC (DPP Cup)
5. boudouche (SPL)
6. Bro Kappa (Top 3 Pts ST20)
7. Ciele (TD)
8. Eo Ut Mortus (TD)
9. Fakes (SPL)
10. Go10 (SPL / WCoP)
11. Hangover (WCoP)
12. Iconic (WCoP)
13. IronBullet (WCoP)
14. Isa (TD)
15. Jirachee (TD)
16. Jsaok3 (WCoP)
17. Kevin Garrett (WCoP)
18. Laurel (WCoP)
19. M Dragon (TD)
20. Marshall.Law (SPL / WCoP)
21. McMeghan (TD / Top 3 Pts ST20)
22. Nachos (Top 3 Pts ST19)
23. Oglemi (TD)
24. Ojama (DPP Cup)
25. panamaxis (WCoP)
26. PDC (DPP Cup / Top 3 Pts ST20)
27. Prankster (DPP Cup)
28. Stallion (WCoP)
29. Stathakis (Top 3 Pts ST19)
30. Sweepage (Top 3 Pts ST20)
31. Tamahome (SPL / WCoP)
32. ToF (WCoP)
33. -Tsunami- (Top 3 Pts ST19)
34. TV-Rocka (SPL / WCoP)
35. undisputed (WCoP)
36. Vinc2612 (TD)
37. Zebraiken (TD)
38. ZoroDark (DPP Cup)

How will the vote work? We will be using instant-runoff voting, akin to the BW vote in its time. You will have four options to choose from, and you should list them in order of preference. Be sure to bold your list. The options are:
  1. Do Nothing
  2. Ban Gliscor
  3. Ban Sand Veil
  4. Ban Sand Veil and Snow Cloak under the Evasion Clause.
An option will just need to hit a simple 50%+ majority to be implemented, unless an option reaches a 2/3 + 1 supermajority at any point, in which case that option will be implemented. Here is what your vote should look like:
Sample Vote said:
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You have to PM your vote to Raseri. You may NOT edit your vote once it is sent. To make sure this won't happen, Raseri will immediatly reply to the PM you sent with your own vote.

The deadline to vote is 11:59 PM EST, Saturday the 2nd, January.


For the record, this vote won't count toward the Tiering Contributor Badge .
 
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A total of 30/36 potential voters (not counting heist / aldaron) sent in valid votes before we decided to call it. Because its IRV and sharing individual votes can be a pain, here is a pastebin with everyones numerical vote: http://pastebin.com/qUQ4Ykng

  1. Do Nothing
  2. Ban Gliscor
  3. Ban Sand Veil
  4. Ban Sand Veil and Snow Cloak under the Evasion Clause.

The process of vote counting:

Round 1:

4 - 14
3 - 11
2 - 2
1 - 3

2 (Ban Gliscor) received the fewest votes and has been run off. The 2 people who voted 2 as their first choice now have their 2nd choice take its place


Round 2:

4 - 14
3 - 13
1 - 3

1 (Do Nothing) received the fewest votes and has been run off. The 3 people with 1 as their primary choice now have their 2nd choice take its place


4 - 16
3 - 14

3 (Ban Sand Veil) has received the fewest votes and has been run off. Leaving 4 (Ban Sand Veil and Snow Cloak under the Evasion Clause) as the winner.


Therefore, Sand Veil and Snow Cloak are banned under the Evasion Clause in DPP
 
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