Scizor [QC: 3/4]

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Overview
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Scizor's unprecedented versatility and resiliency gives it a huge presence on any team, and its extremely flexible Mega Evolution has both the power, bulk, and utility to back it up. Offensively, Swords Dance allows Scizor to rip through opposing teams with boosted attacks, most notably STAB Technician Bullet Punch, one of the strongest priority attacks the tier has to offer. With great coverage in Knock Off, Bug Bite, and Superpower, Scizor has no trouble powering through opponents of any kind. Adding Pursuit, U-turn, and a Choice Band, Scizor can turn its sweeping capabilities into that of a revenge killer, pivot, and Pursuit-trapper. All of this comes off of a staggering base 130 Attack, boosted to 150 through Mega Evolution. Defensively, Scizor turns out to be one of the bulkiest Pokemon in the tier, with an amazing base 140 Defense and 100 Special Defense, backed up by a solid HP stat that can be easily invested in even on offensive sets, thanks to Bullet Punch covering speed issues. Its typing gives it only one weakness, as compared to its eight resistances and 1 immunity. Roost gives it the reliable recovery it needs to outlast its opponents, as well as boost without fear of being worn down. However, having bulk greater than that of Skarmory is put to great use on support sets utilizing Defog or Baton Pass. No matter the role, Scizor usually has the capability to pull it off.

However, like any other Pokemon, Scizor still has its fair share of checks and balances. Its nasty double weakness to Fire-type attacks can prevent it from doing its job, and Scizor requires team support to take care of this Achilles heel. Having lost some of its resistances, Scizor can no longer switch into Ghost- and Dark-type attacks like it used to with impunity, and once Scizor's set is revealed it is often forced to play rather predictably. As an offensive Pokemon, Scizor is mostly held back by its slow speed, and even though Bullet Punch can somewhat rectify this weakness, Lastly, Scizor can be somewhat easily walled by the likes of Skarmory and Mandibuzz, and its attempts to boost will simply be nullified with Whirlwind and Foul Play, respectively. Despite these setbacks, however, Scizor remains a major force in the OU metagame and will easily carry its weight on a team.


Bulky Swords Dance
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name: Bulky Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Roost
move 3: Bullet Punch
move 4: Knock Off
ability: Light Metal
item: Scizorite
nature: Adamant
evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 104 SpD / 20 Spe

Moves
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Swords Dance allows Scizor to easily sweep teams, and thanks to this set's focus on bulk, will have ample opportunities to set up. Roost allows Scizor to set up anything that cannot 2HKO it, such as Garchomp lacking Fire Blast or Excadrill, and prevents Scizor from being worn down before it can sweep. Bullet Punch is Scizor's main attacking move, packing an effective base 60 power thanks to Technician and making up for Scizor's nearly uninvested Speed. Knock Off allows Scizor to get a solid hit on many Pokemon that resist Bullet Punch, such as Rotom-W, and can also be of use to cripple common switch-ins to Scizor such as Heatran. In the last slot, another coverage move such as Superpower or Bug Bite may be used. However, Superpower's defense drops and inability to hit Aegislash can severely hinder Scizor's sweep, and Bug Bite, while immensely powerful, gets very poor coverage alone with Bullet Punch.

Set Details
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The EVs may seem complicated, but their purpose is to allow Scizor to set up on specific threats. 248 HP EV investment makes Scizor as bulky as possible while reducing Stealth Rock damage, and 136 Defense EVs and 104 Special Defense EVs prevent Scizor from being 2HKO'd by anything weaker than Adamant Excadrill's Earthquake and Aegislash's Shadow Ball, respectively. 20 Speed EVs allow Scizor to outspeed minimum speed Heatran. Scizorite is the main item, as Mega Scizor's bulk and extra power are too good to pass up, even for Leftovers. Finally, Light Metal is the ability of choice because Mega Scizor will be Mega Evolving immediately, taking advantage of Technician only after Mega Evolution. Prior to that, however, Light Metal allows regular Scizor to take slightly less damage switching in to Grass Knot and Low Kick. Albeit situational, it is the only ability with tangible benefit to Scizor before it Mega Evolves.

Usage Tips
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Although Scizor can certainly come out early- to mid-game against easy targets like Sylveon, Scizor should not be attempting a boost until all of its Fire-type counters are either removed or weakened enough for Scizor to KO at +2 with Bullet Punch or Knock Off. This holds true for its defensive counters, such as Skarmory, as well, and in many cases going straight for an unboosted Knock Off will be far more beneficial as it makes these counters much easier to wear down. Due to the bulky EV investment, Scizor can set up against many prominent threats on both the physical and special side, including foes like Garchomp, Mega Tyranitar, Conkeldurr, and Aegislash, often attaining 2 or sometimes even 3 boosts before sweeping.

Team Options
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Teammates that can easily wear down or take out foes such as Heatran, Rotom-W, Zapdos, Skarmory, and Mandibuzz are highly appreciated, as all of these Pokemon can prevent a Scizor sweep. Kyurem-B stands out in particular, as it shares a decent degree of defensive synergy with Scizor, and it easily takes out every one of the aforementioned Pokemon. Heatran with Earth Power itself is a nice partner, sponging any Fire-type attacks aimed in Scizor's direction, taking out opposing Heatran, and wearing Zapdos and Rotom-W down with Toxic. Excadrill also has a decent matchup against the aforementioned Pokemon, although it cannot switch in on any of them. A Stealth Rock and possibly Spikes user is also great, wearing down the opponent and making it much easier for Scizor to sweep with Bullet Punch.


Offensive Swords Dance
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name: Offensive Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Bullet Punch
move 3: U-turn / Bug Bite
move 4: Knock Off / Superpower
ability: Light Metal
item: Scizorite
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

Moves
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Swords Dance allows Scizor to easily boost itself into a fearsome attacker, doubling its Attack stat in a single turn. Bullet Punch returns as Scizor's Steel-type STAB move of choice, easily dismantling the faster Pokemon that might attempt to check it. U-turn may seem like an odd choice on a boosting set, but thanks to Scizor's full investment in Speed and Attack, it allows Scizor to boost up even if some of its slower checks (such as Rotom-W) are still alive, hitting them with a boosted U-turn. On the other hand, Bug Bite is a stronger, more consistent attack that won't force Scizor to switch out, but its coverage isn't superb. Notably, however, Bug Bite can OHKO Rotom-W after just a single layer of Stealth Rock. Knock Off is Scizor's best coverage move, hitting many Pokemon alongside Bullet Punch for neutral or super effective damage, but Superpower can be used as it easily takes out Heatran and is Scizor's strongest attack against Skarmory, doing about 60% to it on average. Note, however, that Scizor has no way of getting past Aegislash without Knock Off.

Set Details
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Full investment in Attack and Speed allows Scizor to outspeed many threats, including defensive variants of Heatran, Rotom-W, and Mega Venusaur, along with Jolly Mega Tyranitar, and hit them with powerful attacks to bring them down. An Adamant nature is chosen to give Scizor more power, as Bullet Punch is generally strong enough to take out the faster, frailer threats in the OU tier after they have been worn down. Scizorite is the item of choice, as the extra power, bulk, and speed help Scizor in both sweeping and setting up. However, if a Mega slot is already used up, a Life Orb can be used instead, although the benefits of Scizorite will be missed. Light Metal allows Scizor to take slightly less damage from Grass Knot and Low Kick before it Mega Evolves.


Usage Tips
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Because Roost is not on this set, it's important to preserve Scizor's health, particularly if Life Orb is being used. For that reason, it should be sent out mid- to late-game and kept for sweeping purposes, although it can come out earlier to gain momentum with U-turn or threaten a switch-in with Knock Off if it will take little damage in the process. Once a sweeping opportunity presents itself, Scizor should be sent out to start boosting. Ideally, Scizor should be setting up against Pokemon such as Mega Venusaur or Sylveon that cannot do much to it as it sets up. It's important that Scizor's counters, namely Pokemon such as Skarmory or Hidden Power Fire Greninja, be removed or weakened before it attempts a sweep. Without any investment in bulk or Roost, it's harder for Scizor to come back in later in the match and sweep again.


Team Options
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Aegislash and Terrakion are good teammates as they easily break down one anothers' counters to start a sweep. Keldeo is a great partner, easily weakening Heatran, Skarmory, and Landorus-T, whereas Keldeo's common switch-ins such as Mega Venusaur or Sylveon tend to be total setup bait for Scizor. Stealth Rock and Spikes support from the likes of Deoxys-D can be invaluable to getting a sweep going, easily wearing down the opponent's team. Rotom-W is a great partner for its access to Volt Switch, easily forming a VoltTurn core with Scizor. In addition, a burnt enemy is very easy for Scizor to set up on. Finally, because this Scizor has no way of recovering and has less bulk than other variants, a Defog or Rapid Spin partner such as Latias (who shares decent defensive synergy with Scizor) can aid greatly in setting up. Although less reliable, Wish and Healing Wish support from Pokemon like Sylveon and Latias, respectively, can be used to give Scizor a second chance at sweeping.


Choice Band
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name: Choice Band
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Bullet Punch
move 3: Knock Off / Pursuit
move 4: Superpower
ability: Technician
item: Choice Band
nature: Adamant
evs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD

Moves
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Choice Band Scizor carries the strongest unboosted U-turn in the tier, allowing it to dish out massive damage while also providing momentum for its team. Similarly, with a Choice Band, Scizor's Bullet Punch becomes one of the strongest priority attacks available and makes Scizor into a great revenge killer capable of stopping the likes of Belly Drum Azumarill and Gengar. Knock Off provides a strong coverage attack that can cripple many switch-ins, particularly Skarmory and Heatran, and can easily put the opponent in a no-win situation. Pursuit, on the other hand, allows Scizor to trap Latias, Latios, non-King's Shield Aegislash, and Gengar, putting a definite end to their use. Finally, Superpower allows Scizor to OHKO any incoming Heatran, as well as do massive damage to the likes of Conkeldurr and Rotom-W.

Set Details
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Maximum investment in HP and Attack ensures that Scizor is bulky enough to be used several times in a match while letting it hit as hard as possible. Specifically, 248 HP EVs are used to lessen damage from Stealth Rock. The remaining EVs are thrown into Special Defense, the lower of Scizor's two defense stats. An Adamant nature ensures that Scizor hits as hard as possible. Choice Band is the only item considered, as it gives Scizor the highest power boost possible, and Scizor doesn't usually have to change moves.

Usage Tips
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Scizor finds many opportunities to enter the battle with its respectable mixed bulk and threatening attacks. Whenever one of its attacks is needed, Scizor can be send out to perform the appropriate duty, and its bulk often permits it to switch into attacks. A well-planned dual switch is often extremely rewarding, as few Pokemon outside of select defensive walls want to switch into Scizor's U-turn or Knock Off. Although this set can be played fairly liberally, make sure to conserve Scizor's HP if necessary, as it has no method of recovery and can be worn down by entry hazards.

Team Options
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Users of Volt Switch and U-turn, such as Rotom-W and Landorus-T, can be used to form a highly effective VoltTurn core with Scizor. Rapid Spin or Defog support is highly suggested, as Scizor will be doing a lot of switching. A wallbreaker such as Kyurem-B can be helpful in breaking down the few Pokemon that can safely switch into Scizor, namely Skarmory, Hippowdon, and Mandibuzz. As always, Heatran is a great partner due to its easy absorption of Fire-type attacks, which Scizor will encounter frequently. If used as part of a VoltTurn core, a late-game cleaner such as Choice Band Talonflame or Mega Pinsir is often effective as a way to sweep the remnants of the opponent's team, as VoltTurn strategies often tend to spread damage very evenly throughout a team. Finally, entry hazards are a vital part of Choice Band Scizor's gameplay, as many of Scizor's checks, such as Charizard and Talonflame, are severely weakened by it, and works well with Scizor's tendency to force switches.


Defog
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name: Defog
move 1: Defog
move 2: Roost
move 3: Bullet Punch / Knock Off
move 4: U-turn
ability: Technician
item: Scizorite
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

Moves
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Defog is the main move and focal point of this set, as Scizor is an extremely bulky and reliable Defog user. Roost is mandatory, keeping Scizor healthy through the duration of the match, allowing it to Defog more than once. The third slot is dedicated to whichever move fits the team better: Bullet Punch allows Scizor to revenge kill weak Pokemon and threaten Fairy-types, while Knock Off provides all-around utility and a deterrent to Pokemon dependent on their items, such as Heatran. Finally, U-turn allows Scizor to pivot out once it has Defogged, and can be useful to grab momentum when Defog is not necessary. As this set does not invest in any speed, its great bulk and slow U-turn allow many frail Pokemon a free switch-in.

Set Details
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By maxing out its HP and Defense, Scizor becomes bulkier than even Skarmory, easily taking hits from ferocious physical attackers such as Excadrill and Bisharp, with the remaining 4 EVs invested in Attack for a slight boost to its attacking moves. An Impish nature is chosen as it raises Scizor's Defense through the roof without lowering the power of its attacking moves. Scizorite is the primary item, as Scizor becomes significantly bulkier after Mega Evolution. However, should another Mega Evolution already be on the team, Leftovers can be used, although the loss in bulk is usually not worth it.

Usage Tips
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Scizor can be sent out against almost all physical attackers without a Fire-type move and gain a free turn to use Defog. Because this is set is not as commonly seen as the other sets listed above it, bluffing an offensive set will also often gain free turns, and switching into Pokemon like Sylveon and Chansey can also gain free turns. Although this set's primary role is to use Defog, its sheer defensive prowess allows it to act as a physical wall as well, acting as a full stop to several powerful physical attackers including non-Swords Dance Garchomp and Dragon Dance Tyranitar. Beware, however, that without super effective coverage, Scizor may not be able to rack up enough damage on some physical attackers to prevent them from boosting in front of Scizor, particularly Swords Dance Excadrill and Bulk Up Thundurus. Make sure your team has a way to handle these boosting threats other than with Scizor, either through revenge killers or walls with phazing capabilities.

Team Options
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Although one usually thinks of Choice Band Scizor when considering members of a VoltTurn team, this Scizor set is actually also a great choice as it provides the Defog support that VoltTurn teams require. Note, however, that VoltTurn teams like to have their own entry hazards up as well, so Scizor should always be paired with a teammate such as Landorus-T that can be a reliable setter of Stealth Rock. Frailer attackers such as Gengar appreciate Scizor's slow U-turn to enter the battle safely; many of them, such as Talonflame and Mega Charizard Y, immensely appreciate the Defog support as well. As always, Heatran is a perfect teammate as it not only sponges up Fire-type attacks, but also has great stat synergy with defensive Scizor, as Heatran commonly runs a specially defensive set and will complement Scizor's great physical bulk.


Other Options
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Acrobatics is a strong Flying-type move that can hit Keldeo, who resists all of Scizor's other attacks except for the occasionally seen Superpower. However, it prevents Scizor from holding an item, and doesn't work with Scizor's Mega Evolution. Aerial Ace can be used instead, but its low base power along with its relatively redundant coverage prevent it from being of much use over Scizor's other moves. Tailwind can be used to support Scizor's team, and while defensive Scizor is a reliable user of the move with a slow U-turn to get nearly any attacker in safely, Tailwind's short duration makes it rather hard to abuse, especially in a relatively bulky metagame. Finally, Choice Scarf Scizor can afford to forego Bullet Punch for a stronger Iron Head, and can outspeed most unboosted attackers. However, Scizor loses a considerable amount of power, and does not fare well for a Pokemon that frequently relies on its unSTABbed coverage moves to hit certain targets.

Checks & Counters
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**Fire-types** Fire-types such as Mega Charizard X and Heatran can hit Scizor for 4x super effective damage with their STAB moves, easily taking out even the bulkiest of Scizor variants. Attackers with Fire-type coverage moves are also extremely dangerous, particularly on Pokemon such as Tyranitar or Garchomp who may try to lure Scizor in.

**Steel-types** Steel-types resist both of Scizor's STABs, and therefore must be taken care of by one of Scizor's coverage moves. In particular, a healthy Skarmory does not mind taking Superpower or Knock Off under most circumstances.

**Bulky Ground-types** Hippowdon does not usually mind Scizor, phazing it out and recovering the damage with Slack Off, although it does not enjoy taking a boosted Knock Off or Bug Bite. Landorus-T and Gliscor, while able to wall Choice Band and defensive variants, can be brought down by the stronger and more threatening Swords Dance variants.

**Bulky Water-types** Defensive Rotom-W can live most of Scizor's attacks other than a +2 Bug Bite after Stealth Rock, and proceed to cripple it with Will-O-Wisp. Suicune can take any of Scizor's unboosted attacks and set up with Calm Mind, but variants without Roar can be overpowered by Swords Dance variants if they do not obtain a Scald Burn.

**Physical Walls** Physical walls can easily handle Scizor, though some, such as Gliscor and Hippowdon without Whirlwind, will lose to Swords Dance variants. However, physical walls with phazing moves and/or Foul Play, in addition to Unaware Quagsire, will have trouble with Scizor provided they are healthy and confront it before it boosts too far.
 
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Stone RG

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I guess you call this moveset reccomendations, rather than cooperating at the EVs, which is what is missing in most of the sets.

1. IMO Knock Off is the optimal move in the CB set as opposed to QA and Pursuit, given how unreliable Scizor is at Pusuit trapping in practice, you gain more than twice the power you would have with Pursuit at the first hit as well as lots of utility, it should be mentioned as well in the SD sets, in my opinion.

2. Though this is more arguable, i think both the SD sets, offensive and bulky, are played better as M Scizor due to the enourmously increased bulk and a better speed stat, you do not lose that much power, and LO recoil plus average bulk takes its toll on SD sciz.
 

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Scizornite should be slashed on the offensive SD set and Leftovers should be slashed on the Mega SD set (which i presume will have a SpD spread). Also, Knock Off should definitely get a slash somewhere on offensive SD sets. On CB i am not sure, as there is competition with Thief, which has a constant and more reliable BP of 90, where Knock Off has 97 BP only when removing an item and is useless against most MEvos.
 

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Couple things:

- Knock Off needs a mention on some of the sets.
- U-turn also needs to be slashed with Bug Bite on Offensive SD Scizor set. Mention Jolly as an option too.
- Bullet Punch + Thief does decently on the Mega SD Scizor set. The prime advantage is you bypass Aegislash at the cost of bypassing Hippowdon (unless it is 1v1, which I think MScizor wins).
 
Thief isn't that great on Scizor. Knock Off is far superior in almost all instances, as the utility it provides is significant. Thief is fine for MEvos, but really, that's one Pokemon on the opposing team that Thief will be better on, whereas Knock Off works for everything else. It's not like Scizor can't U-turn or Bullet Punch against a predicted MEvo switch anyway. Pursuit is also still a great move, since Scizor makes good use of it with its ability to force switches like no tomorrow.

I would AC Thief, only because it is a more consistent Dark-type attack that people might want to have. But in general, Knock Off > Pursuit > Thief imo.
 

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Thief isn't that great on Scizor. Knock Off is far superior in almost all instances, as the utility it provides is significant. Thief is fine for MEvos, but really, that's one Pokemon on the opposing team that Thief will be better on, whereas Knock Off works for everything else. It's not like Scizor can't U-turn or Bullet Punch against a predicted MEvo switch anyway. Pursuit is also still a great move, since Scizor makes good use of it with its ability to force switches like no tomorrow.

I would AC Thief, only because it is a more consistent Dark-type attack that people might want to have. But in general, Knock Off > Pursuit > Thief imo.
Agreeing on Choice Band, but Offensive sets or the Bulky Swords Dance Thief is better in some instances for consistency versus the utility + boost of power on the first Knocked Off item.
 

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Yeah, I completely agree with Knock Off, but Thief seems pretty weird to me. In nearly all situations I'd say Knock Off is better, so I've made Knock Off the main choice on Offensive SD and Choice Band.

As for the Scizorite and Leftovers being slashed as items on the Offensive SD set and Bulky SD set, I've had a few different opinions on IRC, so I'll leave that up for disscussion, but I'll keep it the way it is for now.
 
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What do you mean different opinions? Regular SpD SD Scizor is perfectly viable if your Mega Slot is already taken and thus should have a main set. Offensive Mega SD is in a similar boat, but it sacrifices a bit of power for better bulk and more set up chances, if your team has a Mega Slot to spare of course.
 

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Yeah, I've just simply said if you're not already using a Mega, then Scizorite is a viable option and vice versa. Also, I think I've finished the Defog and Bulky SD set, but I still need a specific EV spread (since the old spread was based off of Mega Gengar).
 
I'm not QC, but I think that the Choice Band set should not be first one on the analysis. This set is currently outclassed by Genesect due to its ability to bypass opposing priority attacks with Extremespeed and ability to defeat defensive Steel-types with Flamethrower.

Speaking of Genesect, I believe that the overview needs to mention how Scizor is somewhat outclassed it due to Scizor's overall inferior stats, inability to break through certain physical walls, and worse overall versatility.
 

MCBarrett

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On the CB set, under the spinner / defog teammates I think Mandibuzz deserves mention since Mixed Aegislash can easliy switch into 3 out of 4 of Scizors attacks and can be trouble to many teams if it gets a lot of free switch ins. I'd also mention Mandi as well as Chesnaught for the same reason on the bulky sd set which has absolutely nothing to hit Aegislash.
 

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Tbh, I don't really get Bug Bite on SD Scizor, or at least bulky variants. I've used it fairly extensively and I don't think I've ever used Bug Bite even once, simply because a) it's not strong enough to kill anything it's supposed to get coverage on, and b) what I've found is that you really shouldn't be sweeping with this thing unless BP can kill everything anyway. Especially for bulky Scizor, Bug Bite hardly helps to "break through walls" because it lacks the power to do so and has overall poor coverage with BP too. On the other hand, I've found Knock Off super useful in that slot because it cripples anything switching in and gives it some early-game utility as well, letting it be more of a bulky pivot early-game and a sweeper late-game. Not to mention, it gets coverage on Aegislash which is ridiculously good.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Okay so I've mentioned that Genesect gives Scizor competition in the overview, and I've giving Mandibuzz a special mention for it's ability to beat Aegislash.

As for Bug Bite or Knock Off, I've actually had more success with running U-turn to support the team early / mid game, because like you said you shouldn't be attempting a sweep until Bullet Punch can KO everything, but I'm not too sure about how consistent Knock Off is on a sweeping set. I'm going to wait for other QC members input on this one, thanks for your input.
 

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Okay I've found two EV spreads for the unfinished Scizors, so I think this is ready for QC. I'd like you to pay attention to the EV spread and suggest a set if there's a beter bench mark, but for now they seem okay.
 

BurningMan

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I think Defog might have some merit on the CB set. It is a really powerful support move now and at least on par with Pursuit/Knock Off. Sure a choice locked support move always cries set-up oportunity, but Bullet Punch/Pursuit can also be big momentum loseres after you have revenge killed/trapped something given that they are widely resisted/weak and they are still excellent moves because of their sheer utility.
 
You mention that the EVs need to be adjusted if you use Mega Scizor on the defog set. Be sure to list what EV spread to use in that case.
 
I don't understand the requirement of being able to OHKO Clefable. Is that really an important threat that needs to be taken care of? I know its the only Fairy with Magic Guard, but I used Clefable a lot in previous gens with very little success.
 
I don't understand the requirement of being able to OHKO Clefable. Is that really an important threat that needs to be taken care of? I know its the only Fairy with Magic Guard, but I used Clefable a lot in previous gens with very little success.
Previous gens mean nothing if the Pokemon got a major change. If they did, then Kangaskhan, Mawile & Politoed would still suck.
 
Previous gens mean nothing if the Pokemon got a major change. If they did, then Kangaskhan, Mawile & Politoed would still suck.
That's very different, though. The only major change is the addition of a Fairy type. Why would I use Clefable if I could use Togekiss or Gardevoir? I don't see any major benefit to using Clefable in the tiers that Scizor will appear in.
 
I just wanted to say that Thief deserves at least a mention on the Bulky SD set since you will always score the OHKO (or near enough) on Aegislash (who otherwise walls you to hell) at +2 (+4 gets through King's Shield) and it cannot really do much in return (without more than one SD of its own, anyway). Also wanted to mention that Roost Mega Scizor is an amazing counter to Gliscors that lack taunt. From my experience EQ will do little more than 30-40% to a max HP MegaZor and you can SD on it all day (being immune to Toxic and whatnot). 32 speed EVs is also noteworthy in that it lets Mega Scizor outspeed an uninvested Heatran (if you are using a bulky one with BB or superpower), a few more (i believe 40) can outspeed no speed Blastoise (Mega or otherwise), again just worth a mention.
 

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I already mentioned it but like the poster said above me - replace Bug Bite with Thief on the Bulky Swords Dance set. Bypassing Aegislash is huge when it is one of your bigger checks to worry about. Furthermore it hits Steel-types for neutral damage which helps in 1v1 situations such as Skarmory and such.

Also:
That's very different, though. The only major change is the addition of a Fairy type. Why would I use Clefable if I could use Togekiss or Gardevoir? I don't see any major benefit to using Clefable in the tiers that Scizor will appear in.
Two words that Togekiss and Gardevoir would fucking die to have:

MAGIC GUARD
 
I already mentioned it but like the poster said above me - replace Bug Bite with Thief on the Bulky Swords Dance set. Bypassing Aegislash is huge when it is one of your bigger checks to worry about. Furthermore it hits Steel-types for neutral damage which helps in 1v1 situations such as Skarmory and such.

Also:

Two words that Togekiss and Gardevoir would fucking die to have:

MAGIC GUARD
Also Clefable has no secondary typing with its own headaches, Togekiss's Flying Type leaves it weak to Electric (something Volt Switch Rotoms love) and Rock (most dragons carry Stone Miss for it). For Gardevoir all I have to say is Aegislash...nothing more.

Knock Off is useful on the Bulky SD set too for obvious reasons. It's like the U-Turn to Thief's Bug Bite. Knock Off has more utility while Thief has more consistent power (and is easier to get in-game). I found myself that, with thief, you can spam it against Skarmory to force the WW...and get it down very low in the process.

Bulky Scizor, especially Mega Scizor, is amazing teammate for other physical attackers. Knock Off support is helpful and it can set up on Gliscor and Aegislash very easily (something a lot of physical attackers would beg for). Not to mention it can come in against Knock Off/SubToxic Gliscor and Taunt-less Mandibuzz and set up on them (thank you Mega Stone mechanics!).
 
For Defog MegaZor, here's a potential EV Spread:
Adamant Nature, 248 HP / 136 Atk / 32 SDef / 92 Spd

248 HP is here for the Odd HP number due to the lack of Lefties while combined with 32 SDef gives you just enough Bulk to come out on top over Gengar just like the non-Mega Spread aims to achieve. 92 Speed beats out the currently common uninvested Rotom by a single point so that you can U-Turn out before eating a WoW instead of simply being forced out, something the non-Mega Set cannot do. Finally, the rest of the EV's were thrown into Attack and coupled with an Adamant Nature so that BP and U-Turn still pack a decent punch (hits 405 Atk vs 316 for the non-Mega Spread).

vs Gengar:
252 SpA Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 32 SpD Mega Scizor: 127-150 (37 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
136+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 169-199 (64.5 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

non-Mega damage:
80 Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 132-156 (50.3 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


There's still a lot of room to play around with the EV's defensively though. Especially since even with a Neutral Nature and 0 Atk EV's you still nab a 2HKO on Gengar (53 - 62.9%) as long as you're Mega. I wasn't sure exactly what to aim to survive/kill so I just went off the OP and used Gengar as the sole benchmark to beat.


EDIT: Adamant, 248 HP / 60 Atk / 108 SDef / 92 Spd obtains the same Special Bulk as the OP Spread in case that is specifically needed for something and still does a hefty 61 - 72.1% on Gengar
 
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A small mention for consideration but Offensive SD easily appreciates Mega Stone (if not running any other mega-mon) for that increased Special Bulk, which helps it against Bulky waters (Modest R-W mainly) and stuff like starmie which it has trouble facing up against otherwise, and outspeeding Breloom is always nice (though not as vital anymore thanks to the hard nerf) to avoid 252 Spe Focus sash Spore/Sash/Mach Punch mindgames.

And without access to roost, it greatly appreciated the lack of recoil albeit at the slight power loss.

If not a slash at least an AC/OO mention.
 

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