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Scizor

Discussion in 'Global Battle Union' started by muffinhead, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. muffinhead

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    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    HP: 70
    Atk: 130
    Def: 100
    SpA:55
    SpDef: 80
    Spe: 65

    Abilities:
    Swarm: Boosts power of Bug-type moves 50% when at 1/3 HP or less.
    Technician: Moves with 60 Base Power or less do 50% more damage.
    Dreamworld:
    Light Metal: This user's weight is halved.


    Moves (open)
    Code:
    [B]Level-Up Moves[/B]
    Start Bullet Punch
    Start Quick Attack
    Start Leer
    Lv5 Focus Energy
    Lv9 Pursuit
    Lv13 False Swipe
    Lv17 Agility
    Lv21 Metal Claw
    Lv25 Fury Cutter
    Lv29 Slash
    Lv33 Razor Wind
    Lv37 Iron Defense
    Lv41 X-Scissor
    Lv45 Night Slash
    Lv49 Double Hit
    Lv53 Iron Head
    Lv57 Swords Dance
    Lv61 Feint
    
    [B]TM/HMs Learned[/B]
    TM06 Toxic
    TM09 Venoshock
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM21 Frustration
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Brick Break
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    TM42 Facade
    TM44 Rest
    TM45 Attract
    TM46 Thief
    TM48 Round
    TM54 False Swipe
    TM56 Fling
    TM62 Acrobatics
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM75 Swords Dance
    TM76 Stuggle Bug
    TM81 X-Scissor
    TM87 Swagger
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    TM91 Flash Cannon
    TM94 Rock Smash
    HM01 Cut
    HM04 Strength
    
    [B]Egg Moves[/B]
    Baton Pass
    Bug Buzz
    Counter
    Defog
    Endure
    Night Slash
    Razor Wind
    Reversal
    Silver Wind
    Steel Wing

    Double / Triple battle set

    Scizor @ Flying Gem
    adamant, technician
    180 HP / 252 Attack / 76 Special defense
    -bug bite
    -bullet punch
    -acrobatics
    -protect

    This scizor works well on a rain team, taking out threats that many common rain sweepers cant handle. The special defense EVs allow scizor to shrug off Latios' attacks and OHKO back with bug bite. Bug bite also eats any passho or yache berries, which can prove extremely useful later in the game. Acrobatics gets the ohko on breloom, virizion, and yanmega, and bullet punch finishes off Focus Sash users and weavile.
  2. Joel

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    Since this is GBU rules, and item clause is in effect, Metal Coat could be viable over Choice Band. It will make Bullet Punch hit equally as hard. Then, when an opponent thinks they have a safe switch in, you still have the option to switch moves.

    I've also found the following set quite good in both singles and triples in the rain...

    Scizor @ Metal Coat/Leftovers
    Ability: Technician
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 200 HP/58 Atk/252 SpDef
    Moveset:
    -Swords Dance
    -Bullet Punch
    -Bug Bite/Quick Attack/Pursuit
    -Roost

    Jolly Gliscor +2 Earthquake is a 3HKO, and most unboosted fire type attacks in the rain won't OHKO.

    Chadelure, Heatran, and Jellicent usually wall you (unless you run Pursuit in the cases of Chandelure and Jellicent).

    Most other bulky Steel types beat you if you run Quick Attack (Metagross and Bronzong can be handled with Bug Bite, while Steelix and Agron should still get beat with Bullet Punch).

    Quick Attack is a great option to deal with the likes of pretty much any faster-than-Scizor fire type not named Heatran, and is also the best option versus Gyarados.
  3. Shining_Latios

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    Okay, so should I had both of these?
  4. Joel

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    Yes, add them. This way they are neatly organized so that everyone can discuss them.
  5. cosmicexplorer

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    Metal Coat is a 1.2x boost to Steel-type attacks, while Choice Band is a 1.5x boost, a significant difference in power. For this reason, Metal Coat is vastly outclassed by Life Orb for an attacking set. Also hyping muffinhead's set, it gets super effective coverage on literally everything that gives rain teams issues.
  6. Joel

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    It's not really that big of a difference, and most battlers won't immediately notice the .3 damage difference. Bluffing the Choice Band with Bullet Punch isn't hard since it gets priority.

    Jolly Scizor with Scarf sees some play, which could make up for the .3 damage if a smart batter played their bluff well.
  7. Solace

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    ownership switched to muffinhead due to plagiarism!
  8. Human

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    Can someone test in game if Flying Gem Acrobatics gets the technician boost or not. I would also like to add that Scizor does get Tailwind and makes an excellent bulky user of the move and I think it should get a mention.

    Also what would Acrobatics be used for when Breloom outspeeds anyways and attack + Bullet Punch KOs it. Yanmega is 2HKOd by LO Bullet Punch and LO Bug Bite OHKOs Tyranitar. Bug Bite + Bullet Punch KOs Virizion. This basically only has Acrobatics useful for Yanmega, however if it gets the technician boost the first time it is used then it can become a VERY good move if used like that, however I doubt it will but would like someone to test it. Life Orb best item for an offensive set in my opinion while occa more for a defensive set, especially if using Tailwind, but Scizor is bulky enough in any situation so it can make use of the move with nearly any item.
  9. breh

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    no, it does not. iirc this was on the research thread somehwere. its bp is 110 when you have no item, not 55*2 or anything like that.

    I can't remember for what it was used, but I remember seeing cool use for Acrobatics... it kills machamp? I can't remember.
  10. cosmicexplorer

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    Ingame it does not get the Technician boost, with or without a Flying Gem (I told you this on IRC before!). This was confirmed in the research thread.

    Flying Gem Acrobatics always OHKOes Abomasnow (which is big) and does more damage to Gyarados than any other move on the set.
  11. Baz Anderson

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    Due to single battles not being too long and big hits always being nice, I use a Steel Gem on my Scizor. It has caught a few things off guard and knocked a few things out that an un-boosted one wouldn't. I'm not really too much of a fan of Choice Band on the GBU...
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    I might have been one of those people you caught off guard. >_<
    Nice tactic.
  14. cosmicexplorer

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    What's an example of a Pokemon that Steel Gem Scizor gets an unexpected KO on? I can think of like Choice Scarf Abomasnow, but nothing much else. Human, I can see where you're coming from with Acrobatics, and I can see Superpower/Brick Break or (really gimmicky) Wacan Berry with Natural Gift as viable options over it to hits Steel-types such as Excadrill or to do about 80% to non-Wacan Gyarados (if I recall correctly, that might be a little off).

    EDIT: It actually OHKOes non-Wacan Gyarados after Intimidate, and does about 70% damage to Wacan Gyara without Intimidate.
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    I don't tend to run calculations, so I can't give you anything definite - but the GBU is a lot different to 6 on 6 battles and the surprise power does come in handy from time to time.

    Especially after a Swords Dance (which is a nice boost Choice Banded Scizors cannot get), a Steel Gem Bullet Punch OHKOs Volcarona, Cloyster, Latios, and such... and if I have no more use for the Scizor after they bring in Infernape or whatever, it still does a massive chunk to things like them. Getting 80% on something unexpectedly is nice too...

    My Scizor at the moment is:

    Scizor @ Steel Gem
    Adamant / Technician
    200 HP / 252 Attack / 58 Speed
    -Superpower
    -U-turn
    -Bullet Punch
    -Swords Dance
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    I've been using Scizor in the GBU since the first build of my new team, and it's well ace. Can't remember what EVs it has but yeah solid Pokémon. Plays nothing like what it does in singles though.
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    Baz Anderson, you're using U-turn alongside Swords Dance. Isn't that rather counterproductive, especially when trying to sweep with your Bug-type STAB?
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    I've seen that same Scizor set (with a diff item) used in gen 4 OU a few times. I'd imagine the set has both scouting and sweeping in mind, and it could also bluff a non-boosting set, which can be used to catch the opponent off guard and sweep later. Steel Gem is not a bad item choice actually, given the fact that GBU Singles tend to be pretty fast paced. Definitely something worth trying out in the 3v3 metagame.
  19. Baz Anderson

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    Yeh, I had this thought too - because I used to have X-Scissor on it instead (wish I'd have Move Tutored it Bug Bite...) - but the only time I ever used to use X-Scissor was against Slowbro and Metagross... so I'm not actually missing it as an attacking move at all (not yet anyway...). The usefulness of U-turn has outweighed the few uses I got out of X-Scissor so far.
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    psst, hey moof, he gets tailwind
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    moof hates non-Prankster Tailwind lol

    Also Acrobatics KOes Toxicroak, which is an important reason to use it over Brick Break/Superpower.

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