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Seismitoad (QC 3/3) (GP 3/3)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by MikeDecIsHere, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. MikeDecIsHere

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    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of those Pokemon with lots of wasted potential. While Seismitoad has decent 105 / 75 / 75 defenses and access to Sleep Talk, it doesn't really have the movepool to run a defensive set. In addition, Seismitoad has very mediocre offensive stats and a pretty poor movepool in general. While it has access to decent STAB moves in Hydro Pump and Earthquake, Seismitoad is one of the few Water-type Pokemon that doesn't get Ice Beam, severely limiting its coverage. Being one of the few NU Pokemon with Swift Swim, Seismitoad has some potential when aided by Rain Dance support. However, even down in NU, Seismitoad is largely outclassed by other offensive Water-type Pokemon, namely Gorebyss and Carracosta, and will most likely remain in obscurity.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swift Swim Sweeper
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
    move 3: Earth Power
    move 4: Sludge Wave / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 96 HP / 252 SpA / 160 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is Seismitoad's best shot at sweeping, especially if the opposing team's walls are weakened. Rain Dance activates Swift Swim, which doubles Seismitoad's Speed, for five turns, allowing it to outspeed almost all of NU. Thanks to its typing, which grants it resistances to many common attacking types, Seismitoad usually has an easy time setting up a Rain Dance. Hydro Pump and Earth Power are Seismitoad's best STAB attacks, and a rain-boosted Hydro Pump will hurt a ton of Pokemon, even when coming off from Seismitoad's mediocre base 85 Special Attack. Surf can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, but Seismitoad really needs all of the extra power it can get. The fourth moveslot is mainly for coverage. Sludge Wave gives Seismitoad a way to hit Grass-type Pokemon for super effective damage. Hidden Power Ice can be used instead to defeat Altaria, who can easily tank all of Seismitoad's other attacks.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With 160 Speed EVs, Seismitoad can outpace Choice Scarf Rotom-A in the rain. 252 Special Attack EVs and a Modest nature give it the much-needed power, and the remaining EVs are dumped into HP to give Seismitoad a bit of bulk. Focus Blast or Grass Knot can be used in the fourth moveslot to hit Miltank or bulky Water-types respectively, but they don't offer any spectacular coverage.<p>

    <p>Seismitoad lacks coverage, and really needs help in taking down some threats, such as Amoonguss and Altaria, depending on its coverage moves. Amoonguus can be handled by Flying-types, mainly Swellow, who doesn't fear Spore, while specially defensive Altaria is walled by Bastiodon and other Steel-types. Bulky Water-types also pose a threat, as Seismitoad cannot muscle through them with its mediocre power. A Grass-type Pokemon of your own, such as Cacturne, can easily help with that. Cacturne can also lay down Spikes to help net some KOs that Seismitoad would otherwise miss out on. An interesting teammate option for Seismitoad is Gorebyss, who can abuse the rain with Swift Swim for an easier time to sweep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of the few Pokemon introduced in BW that was blessed with the move Sleep Talk. However, because of its poor support movepool, Seismitoad is very inadequate as a bulky Water-type. Seismitoad could run a mixed Rain Dance sweeper set with Earthquake instead of Earth Power, but Seismitoad does not really have the offensive stats to pull that set off. Seismitoad could also run a Choice Specs set in order to patch its low Special Attack stat, but there are other Pokemon that can do it better, and Seismitoad finds itself easily walled when using a Choice item.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Amoonguss is probably the best counter to Seismitoad, as it takes little to nothing from all of Seismitoad's attacks, even Hidden Power Ice, and can threaten with Spore or just OHKO with Giga Drain. If Seismitoad lacks Hidden Power Ice, then specially defensive Altaria can easily handle Seismitoad. In addition, any faster offensive Pokemon with a Grass-type move can take down Seismitoad, but some, such as Magmortar, need to be wary of the rain, as Seismitoad will outspeed and OHKO Magmortar. Defensively, most bulky Water-types can handle Seismitoad if it lacks Grass Knot.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Seismitoad gets Water Absorb through Dream World, which gives it some potential as a bulky Water-type. Until then, Seismitoad shall remain a less-than-average Rain Dance sweeper.
  2. col49

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    I'd mention that Seismatoad is fully capable of setting up rain and attacking on his own, he's easily bulky enough to take a hit. Other than it looks pretty solid
  3. MikeDecIsHere

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    First set's first move is Rain Dance
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    did i seriously miss that? wow i blow lol, nvm then. just mention damp rock somewhere, likely after LO, as he really needs the added damage output
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    yeah it could have been a cool mon
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    so disappointing.. it doesn't even get ice beam

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    WTF NO ICE BEAM WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN


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    Edited. Will do the write up soon
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    No don't write it up read the announcement

    Wait till january -.-
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    finally got this written, ready for QC checks
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    1/2

    so sorry it's kinda hard to read! please VM me (I might not check back) if it's at all unclear and I'll try to redo it manually.
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    lol @ misspelling Seismitoad. Epic Fail XD

    Editing now

    Edit: Think I got everything
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    Placeholder. I must check this. Checking this now.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of those Pokemon with lots of wasted potential. While Seismitoad has decent 105 / 75 / 75 defenses and access to Sleep Talk, it doesn't really have the move pool movepool which to run a defensive set. In addition, Seismitoad has very mediocre offensive stats and a very poor move pool movepool in general. While it gets access to decent STAB moves in Hydro Pump and Earthquake, it Seismitoad is one of the few Water-type Pokemon that doesn't get Ice Beam, severely limiting its coverage. Seismitoad is one of the few NU Pokemon with Swift Swim, so it has some potential when aided by Rain Dance support. However, even down in NU, Seismitoad is largely outclassed by other offensive Water-type Pokemon, namely Gorebyss and Carracosta, and will most likely remain in obscurity.</p>

    [SET]
    Name: Swift Swim Sweeper
    Move 1: Rain Dance
    Move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
    Move 3: Earth Power
    Move 4: Sludge Wave / Hidden Power [Ice]
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Swift Swim
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 96 HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 160 Spe

    [SET]
    name: Swift Swim Sweeper
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
    move 3: Earth Power
    move 4: Sludge Wave / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 96 HP/ 252 SpA / 160 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set gives Seismitoad a decent chance to pull off a sweep, especially if the opposing teams team's walls are weakened. Rain Dance doubles Seismitoad's Speed for five turns, allowing it to out speed outspeed almost all of NU. Thanks to its typing, which grants it resistances to many common attacks, Seismitoad usually has an easy time setting up a Rain Dance. Hydro Pump and Earth Power are Seismitoad's best STAB attacks, and a rain-boosted Hydro Pump will hurt a ton of Pokemon, even coming off of Seismitoad's mediocre base 85 Special Attack. Surf can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, but Seismitoad really needs all of the extra power it can get. The fourth move slot is mainly for coverage. Sludge Wave gives Seismitoad a way to hit Grass-type Pokemon for super effective damage. Hidden Power Ice can be used instead to defeat Altaria, who can easily tank all of Seismitoad's other attacks.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With 160 Speed EVs, Seismitoad can outpace Choice Scarf Rotom-A in the rain. 252 Special Attack EVs and a Modest nature give it much-needed offensive power, and the remaining EVs are dumped into HP to give Seismitoad a bit of bulk. Focus Blast or Grass Knot can be used in the fourth move slot to hit Miltank or bulky waters Water-types, respectively, but they don't offer any spectacular coverage.<p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of the few Unova Pokemon that was blessed with the move Sleep Talk. However, because of its poor support move pool movepool, Seismitoad is very inadequate as a bulky Water-type Pokemon. Seismitoad could run a mixed Rain Dance sweeper set with Earthquake instead of Earth Power, but Seismitoad does not really have the offensive stats to pull this that set off. Seismitoad could also run a Choice Specs set in order to patch for its low Special Attack stat, but there are other Pokemon that can do it better, and Seismitoad finds itself easily walled when Choiced using a Choice item.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Amoonguss is probably the best counter to Seismitoad, as it takes little to nothing from all of Seismitoad's attacks, even Hidden Power Ice, and can threaten with Spore or just OHKO Seismitoad with Giga Drain. If Seismitoad lacks Hidden Power Ice, then Specially Defensive Altaria can easily handle the water frog Seismitoad. In addition, any faster offensive Pokemon with a Grass-type move can take down Seismitoad, but some, like Magmortar need to be wary of the rain, as Seismitoad will out speed outspeed and OHKO Magmortar. Defensively, most bulky Water-types can handle Seismitoad if Seismitoad it lacks Grass Knot.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Seismitoad gets Water Absorb through Dream World, which gives it some potential as a bulky Water-type. Until then, Seismitoad shall remain a less-than-average Rain Dance sweeper.


    Few notes:

    -Spacing errors, work on that.
    -Don't ignore sirn's changes. Or other checker's for that matter. It's Hidden Power Type, not [Type] for example.
    -Also, look through these:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102407
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=186&a=181

    The first one is the grammar standards one. Will help you a bit.
    The other one is the formatting guide, seeing as the set was a little wrong.

    GP Approved 2/2

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    Any and all grammar edits were not intentionally ignored. I must have missed over them as I was doing them. That is my fault entirely, but cut me a wee bit of slack haha.

    Thank you for your comments, but one note is that "outspeed" is not a word. The technical way to spell it is "out speed" (I have spell check with Firefox, so I'm positive on this).

    Will implement grammar edits in a short while, and update when completed
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    No, outspeed is one word. Period. No discussion. Trust me on this one.
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    Alright, if you say so :/

    Weird Pokemon spellings haha. Will change everything then as soon as possible

    Edit: Edits made in, this is complete
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    Hold on now, this just came to me, but you need to list teammates (support and all that) in AC. Like how entry hazards could help sinceit's weak and that Altaria, for example, is a problem without HP Ice. You lack that altogether and tennis and Komodo has been super strict about this and you need to add it. I didn't occur to me when I checked this.
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    you're right. I will add all of that in now. My mistake

    Edit: Second Paragraph of AC contains teammates. Needs to be Grammar checked.
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    also, change the following to a single word:
    • 2 uses of 'move slot' - in set comments and first paragraph of AC
    • 1 use of 'move pool - in other options
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    ok, made the changes.

    a final read over would probably be a good idea, and then hopefully this thing can finally be done.
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    remove add comments

    extra checky~ (open)

    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of those Pokemon with lots of wasted potential. While Seismitoad has decent 105 / 75 / 75 defenses and access to Sleep Talk, it doesn't really have the movepool which to run a defensive set. In addition, Seismitoad has very mediocre offensive stats and a very pretty repeated :x poor movepool in general. While it gets has optional access to decent STAB moves in Hydro Pump and Earthquake, Seismitoad is one of the few Water-type Pokemon that doesn't get Ice Beam, severely limiting its coverage. Seismitoad is one of the few NU Pokemon with Swift Swim, so it has some potential when aided by Rain Dance support. Being the few NU Pokemon with Swift Swim, Seismitoad has some potential when aided by Rain Dance support. same phrasing :x However, even down in NU, Seismitoad is largely outclassed by other offensive Water-type Pokemon, namely Gorebyss and Carracosta, and will most likely remain in obscurity.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swift Swim Sweeper
    move 1: Rain Dance
    move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
    move 3: Earth Power
    move 4: Sludge Wave / Hidden Power Ice
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 96 HP / 252 SpA / 160 Spe <---- CHANGE THIS!!!!

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set gives Seismitoad a decent chance to pull off a sweep This set is Seismitoad's best shot at sweeping, especially if the opposing team's walls are weakened. Rain Dance activates Swift Swim, which doubles Seismitoad's Speed,<comma> for five turns, allowing it to outspeed almost all of NU. Thanks to its typing, which grants it resistances to many common attacking types, Seismitoad usually has an easy time setting up a Rain Dance. Hydro Pump and Earth Power are Seismitoad's best STAB attacks, and a rain-boosted Hydro Pump will hurt a ton of Pokemon, even when coming off from Seismitoad's mediocre base 85 Special Attack. Surf can be used over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, but Seismitoad really needs all of the extra power it can get. The fourth moveslot is mainly for coverage. Sludge Wave gives Seismitoad a way to hit Grass-type Pokemon for super effective damage. Hidden Power Ice can be used instead to defeat Altaria, who can easily tank all of Seismitoad's other attacks.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With 160 Speed EVs, Seismitoad can outpace Choice Scarf Rotom-A in the rain. 252 Special Attack EVs and a Modest nature give it the much-needed offensive power, and the remaining EVs are dumped into HP to give Seismitoad a bit of bulk. Focus Blast or Grass Knot can be used in the fourth moveslot to hit Miltank or bulky Water-types respectively, but they don't offer any spectacular coverage.<p>

    <p>Seismitoad lacks coverage, and really needs help in taking down some threats, such as Amoonguus and Altaria, depending on its coverage moves. Amoonguss can be handled by Flying-types, mainly Swellow, who doesn't have to fear Spore, while specially defensive Altaria is walled by Bastiodon and other Steel-types. Bulky Water-types also pose a threat, as Seismitoad cannot muscle through them with its mediocre power. A Grass-type Pokemon of your own, such as Cacturne, can easily help with that. Cacturne can also lay down Spikes to help net some KOs that Seismitoad would otherwise miss out on. An interesting teammate option for Seismitoad is Gorebyss, who can abuse the rain with Swift Swim for an easier time to sweep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Seismitoad is one of the few Unova Pokemon introduced in BW that was blessed with the move Sleep Talk. However, because of its poor support movepool, Seismitoad is very inadequate as a bulky Water-type.<period> Pokemon. Seismitoad could run a mixed Rain Dance sweeper set with Earthquake instead of Earth Power, but Seismitoad does not really have the offensive stats to pull that set off. Seismitoad could also run a Choice Specs set in order to patch its low Special Attack stat, but there are other Pokemon that can do it better, and Seismitoad finds itself easily walled when using a Choice item.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Amoonguss is probably the best counter to Seismitoad, as it takes little to nothing from all of Seismitoad's attacks, even Hidden Power Ice, and can threaten with Spore or just OHKO with Giga Drain. If Seismitoad lacks Hidden Power Ice, then specially defensive Altaria can easily handle Seismitoad. In addition, any faster offensive Pokemon with a Grass-type move can take down Seismitoad, but some, such as Magmortar,<Comma> need to be wary of the rain, as Seismitoad will outspeed and OHKO Magmortar. Defensively, most bulky Water-types can handle Seismitoad if it lacks Grass Knot.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Seismitoad gets Water Absorb through Dream World, which gives it some potential as a bulky Water-type. Until then, Seismitoad shall remain a less-than-average Rain Dance sweeper.


    Some nitpicks here and there :x

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    edit: you need to be really careful when implementing checks
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    ok I was extra careful and made sure I got all of the edits in.

    This is finally complete. Sorry and thank you to the GP team, and thanks for sticking with my clumsiness on this one. The next one will go smoother, promise!.
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    You still haven't made all changes.

    It's SpA, not SpAtk. All three of us has pointed this out now, and it is clearly stated in the formatting guide.
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    This doesn't make sense. It's: Being one of the few NU Pokemon with...
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    I don't know how I keep missing that, sorry.

    Just noticed that. It was one of the changes made by a GP member, but I should have still proof read it. Fixed

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