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Serperior (Analysis)

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  1. sandman

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    [​IMG][Overview]

    <p>As the sixth fastest Pokemon in VGC 2011 with access to Safeguard, dual screens, and other useful moves, Serperior would seem to have a niche in the VGC 2011 metagame. However, Prankster users make Serperior's superb Speed almost useless, and with no impressive attacking stats to fall back on to make good use of its Speed, Serperior often finds itself a dead weight once it's finished setting up or is Taunted. Overall, Serperior isn’t too threatening or helpful, but still does a great job of setting up screens and has just enough other options to get by.</p>


    [SET]

    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Glare / Safeguard / Taunt
    move 4: Leaf Blade / Leaf Storm
    item: Light Clay / Mental Herb
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe

    [Set Comments]


    <p>Thanks to its fantastic Speed, Serperior sets up screens before most Pokemon can attack, making it a great dual screen user. After setting up screens, Serperior can proceed to use Glare or Taunt on your opponent's Pokemon, making them more vulnerable to attacks. Alternatively, it can set up Safeguard, which is a great move to protect your team from Amoonguss and other status abusers. To show how helpful screens are, assuming both Archeops and Tornadus run max Attack, a neutral nature, and Reflect is up, Tornadus will never KO Serperior with Flying Gem boosted Acrobatics without a critical hit, while Archeops only has a 7% chance to KO Serperior. Leaf Blade is a great move with its high critical hit rate, and has the added bonus of hitting Jellicent on its softer physical side for super effective damage. Leaf Storm, used twice, will outdamage Leaf Blade, and Serperior may not be attacking that often anyway.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


    <p> Mental Herb gives you at least one turn of setup, lifting the effects of Taunt and Encore, while Light Clay will make Serperior's screens last longer. An alternative EV spread of 100 HP / 156 Atk / 252 Spe can be used if Serperior's offensive abilities with the recommended spread are too unusable. 156 EVs in Special Attack guarantees a KO on Terrakion with Leaf Storm and most Pokemon weak to it. The EVs in Attack will also make for a stronger Leaf Blade, making Serperior less of an offensive slouch. 100 EVs in HP will still guarantee surviving a neutral nature Tornadus's Acrobatics with Reflect up, but you have a much higher chance of being KOed by Archeops.</p>


    <p>Although generally not as good as the moves above, Gastro Acid and Dragon Tail can work well in certain situations. Gastro Acid, while being a situational move, is a lot of fun to use on Conkeldurr who abuse Flame Orb plus Guts. Some other uses include hitting Eelektross and Musharna, who often depend on their abilities to protect themselves from their partner's spread attacks. Although otherwise useless, Dragon Tail can be used to stop Trick Room.</p>


    <p>Giga Drain is an option over the aforementioned attacks for restoring Serperior's health. However, it is only recommended if using the second spread, because with only 4 EVs in Special Attack, Serperior can't even guarantee a reliable 2HKO on Terrakion, so the HP recovered will hardly be worth Leaf Blade's higher critical hit rate and power.</p>


    <p>Most sweepers will benefit from dual screens, making them much harder to take down. Because Serperior is able to hit Jellicent and Terrakion for super effective damage, partners such as
    Terrakion or Hydreigon, who would normally have trouble with those two, work well and help to cover Serperior's Fire weakness. Thundurus is also a great partner, being able to outspeed Archeops and KO both Archeops and enemy Tornadus with Thunderbolt. Sweepers that possess some bulk such as Hydreigon and Eelektross become even more menacing when behind screens.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Calm Mind

    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
    move 4: Rest / Protect
    item: Chesto Berry / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [Set Comments]


    <p>With good defenses and Speed, Serperior is a noteworthy candidate for Calm Mind, needing little help from its teammates to set up. After a Calm Mind or two, Serperior's offensive abilities improve significantly, and enable it to bring down most Pokemon with Giga Drain and Hidden Power. Unlike Lilligant, Virizion, and Volcarona, Serperior initially outspeeds crucial threats such as Tornadus and Terrakion and doesn't have a crippling 4x weakness to Flying- or Rock-type moves. Hidden Power helps make up for Serperior's poor coverage, hitting its would-be counters for super effective damage. Rest plus Chesto Berry is one instant recovery, while Life Orb gives Serperior more power but reduces its survivability.</p>


    [Additional Comments]


    <p>Hidden Power Ice generally gives the best coverage, hitting Flying-types, such as Tornadus, and Dragon-types for super effective damage, but Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Steel-types. Rock is mainly for Volcarona, who is 4x weak to it, and while it does get coverage against Flying-types for super effective damage, Ice is generally the better choice. Taunt is usually not used, but it has some potential use against Amoonguss and Trick Room users, should they not carry Mental Herb. After a Calm Mind, Serperior's Special Attack will only be as high as a neutral natured Jellicent's, so getting off more than one Calm Mind should be your goal, and is safer when Serperior has Rest and Chesto Berry.</p>


    <p>Although Serperior's defenses are above average, the Calm Mind set is still vulnerable to attacks, and with two Pokemon attacking at once, Serperior will likely be forced to use Rest sooner, rather than later. Thundurus checks most Flying-types, doing huge damage with its STAB
    Thunderbolt. A Rage Powder user draws attention away from Serperior, giving it more time to stat up.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p> A Swords Dance or Coil set could work, but Serperior's physical movepool is very lacking, with nothing of note outside of Leaf Blade, Dragon Tail, and Return. Serperior can set up Sunny Day and gets Growth, but again, it doesn't have much to work with. A SubSeed set could work but Whimsicott probably does it better, and Subseed isn't as effective in doubles as it is in singles to begin with. Double Team is not banned in VGC, and Serperior is arguably one of the fastest and bulkiest users. After a few Double Teams, the Calm Mind set becomes hard to stop.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Whimsicott is annoying with Encore, and the other two Prankster users can carry Taunt, which seriously impedes Serperior from doing anything useful, but must watch for Serperior carrying Mental Herb. Most Flying-types carry Acrobatics with a Flight Gem, and can kill Serperior without Reflect up. Other good checks include Chandelure, Darmanitan, and any other Pokemon that resists Serperior's attacks and can get through its bulk. Putting aside the threat of Serperior's Taunt and Safeguard, Amoonguss's bulk and typing make it hard for Serperior to do anything noteworthy to the giant mushroom. Bouffalant and Sawsbuck are hard counters with their Sap Sipper ability, raising their Attack stats each time they're hit by a Grass-type attack, while shrugging off anything else Serperior throws at them. Sawsbuck should be a bit wary of Hidden Power, though.</p>


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    There are way too many slashes on the first set, I think it could be cleaned up to:

    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Glare / Taunt
    move 4: Leaf Blade / Leaf Storm

    With other things just mentioned in OC.
  3. sandman

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    Made changes.

    If there are no more suggestions I'll have the analysis by tomorrow.
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    QC Approved 1/2

    Get to the writing soon please.
  5. ThaDTrain

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    Serperior

    Wouldn't it also be a good idea to maybe slash in Giga Drain for the last move slot to give a decent recovery option? They gave it a boost in power from Gen 4 so it would also be more enticing for attacking options.
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    QC Approved 2/2

    Everything tested out great for me. Definitely one of the better screen setters.
  7. KickAsh

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    I think a Careful nature would be helpful on the Screens set.
    +Sp.Def -Sp.Atk would let Serperior survive longer, and the loss of Sp.Atk would be negligible if Leaf Blade is used in the last slot.
  8. Aquatile

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    @KickAsh If you don't run maximum speed then there is no point to having a Serperior. You don't want to lower defense or special defense ,so you cut down on the attack stat you are not using.
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    Couple of things:

    1. sixth isn't capitalized in the Overview

    2. Get rid of the accent on the e in Pokemon

    3. [SET] needs to be capitalized

    4. EVs under the [SET] tag needs to be lower-case

    5. EVs within the analysis itself needs to be capitalized

    6. It's HP, not Hp.

    7. The tags are <p> and </p> and there are no spaces between them and the write-up. So it should look like <p>Blah blah blah.</p>

    8. Special Attack is SpA, but you only abbreviate it in conjuction with the rest of the EV spread. If just saying "You could add so many EVs in this stat" then you spell out the word. So it would look like "You could add so many EVs in Special Attack."

    9. In a list of 3 things or more, you need a comma for the second to last item. Like this example from the OO section: "Leaf Blade, Dragon Tail, (add comma) and Return.
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    Thanks, made changes.
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    I'm not a member of the GP team, but this check should help a bit.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Being As the sixth fastest Pokemon in VGC 2011 while learning with access to Safeguard, dual screens, and other useful moves, Serperior would seem to have a niche in the VGC 2011 metagame. However, Prankster users make Serperior's superb Speed almost useless, and with no impressive attacking stats to fall back on to make good use of its Speed, Serperior often finds itself a dead weight once (space) it's finished setting up or is Taunted. Overall, Serperior isn’t too threatening or helpful, but still does a great job of setting up screens and has just enough other options to get by.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Glare / Safeguard / Taunt
    move 4: Leaf Blade / Leaf Storm
    item: Light Clay / Mental Herb
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>Thanks to its fantastic Speed, Serperior sets up screens before most Pokemon can attack, making it a great dual screen user. After setting up screens, Serperior can proceed to use Glare or Taunt on your opponent's Pokemon, making them more vulnerable to attacks. Alternatively, it can set up Safeguard, which is a great move to protect your team from Amoonguss and other status abusers. To show how helpful screens are, assuming both Archeops and Tornadus run max Attack, a neutral nature, and (space) Reflect is up, Tornadus will never KO Serperior with Flight Jewel Flying Gem boosted Acrobatics without a critical hit, while Archeops only has a 7% chance to KO Serperior. Leaf Blade is a great move with its high critical hit rate, and has the added bonus of hitting Jellicent on its softer physical side for super effective damage. Leaf Storm, used twice, will outdamage Leaf Blade, and Serperior may not be attacking that often anyways.</P>

    [ADITIONAL ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p> Mental Herb gives you at least one turn of setup, (comma) lifting the effects of Taunt and Encore, (comma) while Light Clay will make Serperior's screens last longer. An alternative EV spread of 100 HP / 156 Atk / 252 Spe can be used if Serperior's offensive abilities with the recommended spread are too unusable. 156 EVs in Special Attack guarantees a KO on Terrakion with Leaf Storm and most Pokemon weak to it. The EVs in Attack will also make for a stronger Leaf Blade, making Serperior less of an offensive slouch. 100 EVs in HP will still guarantee surviving a neutral nature Tornadus's Acrobatics with Reflect up, but you have a much higher chance of being KOed by Archeops.</p>

    <p>Although generally not as good as the moves above, Gastro Acid and Dragon Tail can work well in certain situations. Gastro Acid, while being a situational move, is a lot of fun to use on Conkeldurr who abuse Flame Orb plus Guts. Some other uses include hitting Eelektross and Musharna, who often depend on their abilities to protect themselves from their partner's spread attacks. Although otherwise useless, Dragon Tail can be used to stop Trick Room.</p>

    <p>Giga Drain is an option over the aforementioned attacks for restoring Serperior's health. However, it is only recommended to only use it if using the second spread, (remove space) because with only 4 EVs in Special Attack, Serperior can't even guarantee a reliable 2HKO on Terrakion, so the HP recovered will hardly be worth Leaf Blade's higher critical hit rate and power.</p>

    <p>Most sweepers will benefit from dual screens, making them much harder to take down. Being Because Serperior is able to hit Jellicent and Terrakion for super effective damage, partners such as Hydreigon or Krookodile, who would normally have trouble with those two, work well and help to cover Serperior's Fire weakness. Thundurus is also a great partner, being able to outspeed Archeops and KO both Archeops and enemy Tornadus with Thunderbolt. Sweepers that possess some bulk such as Hydreigon and Eelektross become even more problematic menacing when behind (space) screens.</p>

    [SET]

    name: Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Taunt
    move 4: Rest / Protect
    item: Chesto Berry / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [Set Comments]

    <p>With good defenses and Speed, Serperior is a noteworthy candidate for Calm Mind, needing little help from its teammates to set up. After a Calm Mind or two, Serperior's offensive abilities improve significantly, and enable it to bring down most Pokemon with Giga Drain and Hidden Power. Unlike Lilligant, Virizion, and Volcarona, Serperior initially outspeeds crucial threats such as Tornadus and Terrakion and doesn't have a crippling 4x weakness to Flying- or Rock-type moves. Hidden Power helps make up for Serperior's poor coverage, hitting its would-be counters for super effective damage. Rest plus Chesto Berry is one instant recovery, while Life Orb gives Serperior more power but reduces its survivability.</p>

    [Additional Comments]

    <p>Hidden Power Ice generally gives the best coverage, hitting Flying-types, such as Tornadus, and Dragon-types for super effective damage, (no space) but Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Steel-types. Rock is mainly for Volcarona, who is 4x weak to it, and while it does get coverage against Flying-types for super effective damage, Ice is generally the better choice. Taunt is usually not used, but it has some potential use against Amoonguss and Trick Room users, should they not carry Mental Herb. After a Calm Mind, Serperior's Special Attack will only be as high as a neutral natured Jellicent's, so getting off more than one Calm Mind should (space) be your goal, and is safer when Serperior has Rest and Chesto Berry.</p>

    <p>Although Serperior's defenses are above average, the Calm Mind set is still vulnerable to attacks, and with two Pokemon attacking at once, Serperior will likely be forced to use Rest sooner, rather than later. Thundurus checks most Flying-types, doing huge damage with its STAB Thunderbolt. A Rage Powder user draws attention away from Serperior, giving it more time to stat up.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p> A Swords Dance or Coil set could work, but Serperior's physical movepool is very lacking, with nothing of note outside of Leaf Blade, Dragon Tail, and Return. Serperior can set up (set up) Sunny Day, and gets Growth, but again, Thunderbolt. An Anger Powder user draws attention away from Serperior, giving it more time to stat up.</p> it is not much to work with. A SubSeed set could work but Whimsicott probably does it better, and Subseed isn't as effective in doubles as it is in singles to begin with. Double Team is not banned in VGC, and Serperior is arguably one of the fastest and bulkiest users. After a few Double Teams, the Calm Mind set becomes hard to stop.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Whimsicott is annoying with Encore, and the other two Prankster users can carry Taunt, which seriously impedes Serperior from doing anything useful, (space) but must watch out for Taunt if for Serperior has a carrying Mental Herb. Most Flying-types carry Acrobatics with a Flight Gem, and can kill Serperior without Reflect up. Other good checks include Chandelure, Darmanitan, and any other Pokemon that resists Serperior's attacks and can get through its bulk. Putting aside the threat of Serperior's Taunt and Safeguard, Amoonguss's bulk and typing make it hard for Serperior to do anything noteworthy to the giant mushroom. Bouffalant and Sawsbuck are hard counters with their Sap Sipper ability, raising their Attack stats each time they're hit by a Grass-type attack, while shrugging off anything else Serperior throws at them. Sawsbuck should be a bit weary wary of Hidden Power, (comma) though.</p>


    There were a couple of very strange errors that came from not implementing checks carefully enough (like the misplaced Rage Powder sentence), so pay extra attention. Otherwise, it seems ok. GP 2/2.
  14. sandman

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    Changed this sentence back to what it was before the misplaced sentence if thats ok. Otherwise done.
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    In the first set:

    Hydriegon and Krookodile do well against Jellicent, both outspeeding it and doing severe damage with Dark Pulse and Crunch respectively, making Water Spout useless at the very least (Krookodile can even OHKO), whilst both always survive Ice Beam. If you want to mention teammates that benefit from having Jellicent removed, mention something like Terrakion or Emboar.
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    Changed with Terrkaion, for some reason I was under the impression that serperior outspeed ScarfJellicent.
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    done serperior(analysis)

    serperior can run a physical set like dis


    serperior choice scarf jolly
    dragon tail
    return
    leaf blade
    filler move
    252 atk 6 den 252 spe
    he will be untouch able cause with high speed and making the other pokemon switch u can he can pull it off
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    Be sure to note that if it's only Light Screen you want, you're better off with Whimsicott.
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    With a Mental Herb, Serperior can take Whimsicott's Taunt and Taunt it back. Pretty niche, but worth a mention.

    EDIT:
    This should be Flying Gem, not Flight Gem. PO has it wrong.
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    did anyone notice his DW ability? I mean seriously, it gives him potential as a sweeper with Leaf Storm. Contrary means that instead of a -2 drop from Leaf Storm use, he gets a +2 rise, aloowing him to boost his Speacial Attack while still hitting with a base 140 STAB move.
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    His dream world ability is not released.

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