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Shiftry (Ubers Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Tobes, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. Tobes

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    http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/shiftry

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    [Overview]

    <p>Many players instantly turn to Darkrai when looking for a fast Dark-type sweeper to use in Ubers, but teams carrying Groudon have another option they can consider. Shiftry isn't powerful by Uber standards, but it has Chlorophyll, a great ability in Ubers, as well as an excellent offensive typing for the metagame. Though it can augment its sub par Special Attack through Nasty Plot, due to its frailty it needs to select when it goes for the boost very carefully. Shiftry needs the support of its teammates to work well, but it can certainly pay off when played correctly.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Sweeper
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Grass Knot
    move 3: Dark Pulse
    move 4: Focus Blast / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Shiftry is a very capable late game cleaner, capable of finishing off the opponent's team if it has been weakened significantly. Nasty Plot makes walling Shiftry very difficult. Due to Shiftry's frailty, however, it can only boost up when an opponent is expected to switch, or against a weak resisted move, such as Ferrothorn's Power Whip. Grass Knot hits for 120 Base Power against many Uber Pokemon, most notably against Kyogre, one of the biggest threats to dedicated sun teams. Dark Pulse hits a fair number of Uber Pokemon for super effective damage, the most prominent being Mewtwo and Giratina-O. The chance to flinch can also come in handy given Shiftry's high Speed stat in the sun. Focus Blast provides valuable coverage against Ferrothorn, Dialga, and Arceus, but Hidden Power Fire nails Ferrothorn and Scizor while lacking the drawback of shaky accuracy.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Life Orb and a Modest nature are necessary, since Shiftry needs every bit of power that it can get. Because Shiftry outspeeds so many Choice Scarf Pokemon in the sun, such as Palkia, Torment is an interesting choice. With it, Shiftry can come in on a choice-locked Pokemon, use Torment, and grab a Nasty Plot boost as the opponent is forced to use Struggle. Ho-Oh is one of the biggest threats to Shiftry, so Hidden Power Rock can be considered to help deal with it. Likewise, Hidden Power Ice can be used to OHKO Rayquaza and hit Zekrom a bit harder. Shiftry can opt to use Low Kick, a Naive Nature, and run Growth over Nasty Plot so that it has a better shot at breaking through Chansey or Blissey.</p>

    <p>It cannot be stressed enough that Shiftry must be supported by Groudon. Without Drought, Shiftry becomes essentially useless. Shiftry fits best on dedicated sun teams. Ho-Oh is a common fixture on these kinds of teams, and it covers Shiftry's weaknesses well. Entry hazard support is also essential to Shiftry's sweep, so Pokemon that can reliably provide Spikes, such as Forretress and Ferrothorn, are greatly appreciated. Groudon itself can provide Stealth Rock. Dual screen support helps Shiftry to set up. Deoxys-S can set up both screens, and can also use Spikes to further support Shiftry.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Shiftry has higher base Attack than Special Attack, but Seed Bomb is a far weaker STAB move than Grass Knot, and Sucker Punch, while better than Dark Pulse in some cases, has some drawbacks. ExtremeSpeed, a common move in Ubers, bypasses Sucker Punch with its +2 priority and usually OHKOes the frail Shiftry. Sucker Punch also leaves Shiftry walled against certain walls, such as Giratina, who can burn Shiftry with Will-O-Wisp without fear. Leaf Storm is a slightly more powerful STAB move than Grass Knot, and can be used on a 4-attacks set. Icy Wind decreases the opponent's Speed, but, unlike Hidden Power Ice requires Stealth Rock to be up in order to OHKO Rayquaza. Tailwind doubles Shiftry's Speed, as well as that of its teammates, but Shiftry might as well use Nasty Plot if it has a turn to use Tailwind.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Ho-Oh is the biggest counter to this set due to its insane special bulk and STAB Sacred Fire. Kyogre robs Shiftry of its precious sunlight with Drizzle, and a Choice Scarf set can outspeed and OHKO Shiftry. Chansey and Blissey both wall Shiftry effortlessly, and neither are even OHKOed by a +2 Low Kick. Priority also makes short work of Shiftry. Arceus and Rayquaza can massacre Shiftry with ExtremeSpeed, and the latter even outspeeds Shiftry due to Air Lock. Scizor can pick Shiftry off with Bullet Punch and only fears Hidden Power Fire. More niche priority users, such Ice Shard Mamoswine and Vacuum Wave Toxicroak, also get the job done. Shiftry is not blisteringly fast in the sun either. Very fast Choice Scarf Pokemon, such as Terrakion, Darkrai, and Shaymin-S, can all outspeed and revenge kill it. Blaziken easily threatens Shiftry and doesn't take too much damage from any of Shiftry's moves bar Focus Blast. It can also outspeed Shiftry after two turns thanks to Speed Boost.</p>
  2. Fireburn

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    Consider looking into a mixed set as Shiftry does have access to the newly buffed Growth, at least.
  3. Tobes

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    I've been putting some thought into it and there is a bit of merit to using a mixed set, but after doing comparisons between special and physical moves in various scenarios there isn't really much reason in my opinion to use physical moves. +1 Sucker Punch doesn't even OHKO 4 HP Kyogre, and ExtremeSpeed's buff in priority makes it useless in a lot more situations. Sucker Punch also fails completely against Giratina, and Ho-Oh can effortlessly dodge it with Substitute. Dark Pulse does the job it needs to do in most cases.

    As for Seed Bomb, it's simply too weak of a STAB for Ubers for my taste, and I can't think of a reason to use it over Grass Knot.

    Low Kick did catch my eye, as it's exactly like Focus Blast, without the drawbacks of poor accuracy. It's not worth splitting EVs over though.

    In short, mixed moves fit better in OO (maybe AC for Low Kick), as well as an SD set, which can OHKO Kyogre with a +2 Sucker Punch, which is pretty cool for sun teams.
  4. shrang

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    Shiftry is good. I kind of just replaced Darkrai on my regular team to give it a shot and it seems to be pulling its weight. Just make sure you mention on how it differentiates itself from Darkrai, which basically includes Grass STAB and bucket-load more speed. Oh, and mention that pink blobs also wall you. Badly.

    QC approved 1/3
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    Eh, actually Shrang, I don't think Grass STAB is even important in Ubers, save for Kyogre, which Shiftry has no chance to beat without Sucker Punch. You can just run Low Kick to curbstomp the blobs. And of course, the biggest reason to use this over Darkrai is the speed, so that you don't get revenged by Scarfers, Mewtwo, etc. (I've always hated Gamefreak for making Darkrai slower than Mewtwo, to tell you the truth).
  6. shrang

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    If you Grass Knot on the switch you pretty much have a dead Kyogre, pretty much one of the Pokemon that Darkrai can't threaten much without putting it to sleep. Low Kick can't kill Chansey either (58.52% - 69.03% to 252/252+ Chansey), even with +2 max Atk and LO, which is kind of sad. Physical Shiftry would be ok if ExtremeSpeed was still +1, but with ES flying around everywhere, it's a bit eh. Seed Bomb is quite weak as well.
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    +0 Grass Knot is doing 80% minimum to 252/0 Kyogre and 1hkos min HP variants after 1 layer of hazard damage.

    +2 neutral nature Low Kick will KO 252/0 Dialga about 66% of the time without hazards and always KO with 1 layer of spikes while Focus Blast has its accuracy issues. You aren't going to 1hko Ferrothorn with Low Kick without hazards or prior damage while Focus Blast does provided it hits.

    As Shrang noted, Blobs aren't taking much from Low Kick since its only 60BP on them :x
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    I'd make Focus Blast the primary slash since it still covers Ferro while destroying Dialga and Heatran and giving you at least some chance against the blobs. Scizor is just gonna BP you and Ferro still dies to Focus Blast so I really don't see why not.

    Mention Heatran as a counter since it walls you hard without Focus Blast.

    Ho-Oh is a good partner it resists most of Shiftry's main weaknesses (Fighting, Bug, Fire) and doesn't really care about Ice or Poison moves.

    Mention Mamoswine as a check because lol Ice Shard.

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    Be sure to mention the fact that unlike Darkrai, Shiftry isn't revenged by Mewtwo in the sun. This is huge considering how much of a problem Mewtwo is for Darkrai!

    QC approved 3/3
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    Sorry if I interfere, just a thingh, because of the fragility and of the type of Shiftry, i think Blaziken can be a counter together with Excadrill in the sandstorm with X scissor. a phisical set also can be a good idea, just a tought.
  11. shrang

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    Just one thing I forgot to mention in my post: Scarf Terrakion outspeeds Modest Shiftry in the sun (and Timid is probably not worth it). It can come into either Nasty Plot, HP Fire or (better yet) Dark Pulse and OHKO with Close Combat.
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    I held off stamping this bugger since I wanted to test it and be sure. After I finish testing and come here, I see I've been ninja'd by Theorymon :( Also yes Timid Shiftry is not worth it at all.
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    What NixHex said, keep up the good work Jellicent.

    This is uploaded now.
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    I applaude you mister Jellicent

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