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Simisage (Analysis)

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    Simisage

    [Overview]

    <p>A member of the new monkey trio, Simisage isn't exactly the best of the three. Being a Grass-type Pokemon, Simisage has an awful defensive typing, giving it weaknesses to the common attacking moves in the tier. Simisage wasn't blessed with a good movepool either, with its best STAB move being Energy Ball. However, one should not compare Simisage to the other two monkeys, but should instead look at what it has over other Grass-types. It has an exceptional Speed stat, which makes it one of the fastest Grass-types in the tier, outspeeding many common threats such as Moltres and Entei. It gets even better: Simisage also receives Nasty Plot, a move Victreebel and Sceptile wish they had, allowing Simisage to boost its decent Special Attack to incredible levels. Combine Simisage's good offensive typing, great Speed stat, and access to Nasty Plot with the proper team support, and this monkey will rock your opponent's world.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Energy Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Rock
    move 4: Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Simisage's best set and the only thing it should really do. With its great Speed stat, Simisage is a excellent user of Nasty Plot. Energy Ball is Simisage's best STAB option, and will do quite a bit of damage after a boost or two, while Hidden Power Rock lets Simisage hit the common Fire-, Bug-, and Flying-types in the tier, such as Moltres, Entei, Scyther, and Honchkrow, for super effective damage. Due to its odd base 101 Speed, lowering Simisage's Speed IVs doesn't matter, as it maintains the ability to outpace all base 100 and slower Pokemon. Focus Blast is used mainly to hit Ferroseed, but it is also the easiest way to get rid of Pokemon such as Munchlax, Aggron, and Steelix, as well as other Grass-types that don't resist the move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Substitute makes setting up easier for Simisage by protecting it from damage and status. If you opt to use Substitute over Focus Blast, Hidden Power Fire is an option to hit Ferroseed, and other Grass-types, especially Roselia and Amoongus. However, packing a super effective coverage option against Fire-types is more important, as they are pretty common. You can instead choose to use Substitute over Hidden Power Rock, keeping Focus Blast to hit Fire-types neutrally, but this will let Moltres, Charizard, and Roselia stop Simisage cold. Leaf Storm is Simisage's most powerful move, and can put a huge dent into anything that doesn't resist it, but Simisage can find it hard to set up Nasty Plot twice, as Leaf Storm lowers its Special Attack by two stages. However, it does provide Simisage with enough pure power to ensure a KO before it goes down. Leftovers works great in combination with Substitute to restore lost health.</p>

    <p>Simisage needs good support to function well. Uxie can help Simisage by setting up dual screens and Stealth Rock, which can ease both Simisage's setup and its sweep. Qwilfish is another Pokemon that can set up entry hazards, specifically Spikes and Toxic Spikes. It is also wise to remove faster opposing Pokemon, as they can swiftly pick off Simisage before it accomplishes anything. Faster Bug-types such as Scyther, Accelgor, and Galvantula can easily KO Simisage with their super effective STAB moves. Aggron is a good choice to stop both Scyther and Accelgor, while Lanturn or Steelix can take care of Galvantula. Moltres is also an option, but it needs to watch out for Galvantula's Thunder. Certain Flying-types can also be a problem for Simisage; Swellow, for instance, is faster and hits hard with Brave Bird. Aggron is the best counter to Swellow in the tier, and can easily take hits from it. Specially defensive Mandibuzz easily sponges all of Simisage's moves and can KO back with Brave Bird; Rotom-A, Galvantula, and Aggron can all take Mandibuzz down with their powerful STAB moves. Lastly, as Simisage has no way to increase its own Speed, Baton Passing it Speed boosts can really help. Gligar is an an excellent choice, as it combines great physical bulk with the ability to pass Rock Polish boosts.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Grass Knot is another STAB option, as it deals more damage to Pokemon such as Claydol, Dusknoir, and Munchlax than Energy Ball. However, it is unreliable, and weaker against Pokemon such as Lanturn and Rotom. Choice Specs is a way to bypass set-up, but the power difference is too noticeable, and is better left to Pokemon such as Sceptile. Simisage can utilize a Choice Band set to some success, but its limited movepool and only decent Attack holds it back, therefore it's not recommended. If you opt to use it, Simisage has access to decent physical moves such as Seed Bomb, Rock Slide, and Brick Break. It also has Crunch and Acrobatics for coverage, as well as Low Kick as an option over Brick Break. In the same vein, Simisage also has access to Hone Claws, but a mere +1 Attack boost isn't enough; Nasty Plot is far superior. Simisage also has access to Taunt and has the Speed to use it, but Substitute is generally the better move.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Mandibuzz resists Simisage's STAB moves, has high enough Special Defense to withstand Hidden Power Rock, and can KO Simisage with Brave Bird. The same goes for Golbat, Roselia, and Amoongus, as they can survive Hidden Power Rock and KO Simisage with Brave Bird, Sludge Bomb, and Clear Smog respectively. Specially defensive Weezing can comfortably check Simisage and threatens it with Fire Blast or Sludge Bomb. Faster threats such as Galvantula, Accelgor, Scyther, Swellow, and Archeops can outspeed and easily KO Simisage with their super effective STAB moves. However, they need to be careful when switching in, as Simisage almost always carries a move that can KO them instead.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Simisage receives Overgrow as its Dream World ability. Overgrow can be put to good use on Simisage, who will often find itself at low HP, and the extra power boost will come in handy. However, Gluttony does have its merits when pinch berries such as Liechi, Petaya, and Salac are released.</p>
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    Don't forget to mention that Hidden Power Rock forces an imperfect Speed IV. Though it won't really matter much since the only other Pokemon with same speed tier are its relatives... lol but worth a mention nonetheless I suppose.
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    Yeah, it doesn't matter against other Pokémon, but I guess I could mention the other Simis.
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    Base power of Grass Knot on RU pokes:

    Claydol: 100

    Gallade: 80

    Qwilfish: 20

    Steelix: 120

    Krookodile: 80

    Cofagrigus: 80

    Dusknoir: 100

    Slowking: 80

    Gligar: 80

    Hitmonlee: 60

    Hitmonchan: 80

    Lanturn: 40

    Cryogonal: 100 (not really relevant, but kinda cool)

    Rotom-N: 20

    Samurott: 80

    These are almost all of the Pokes Simisage will use its Grass STAB for, and Grass Knot is just as good, if not better against all except Rotom, Lanturn, Hitmonlee, and Qwilfish. The main benefit is the stronger hit on Claydol, but it's a shame that Slowking doesn't take increased damage.

    The numbers do look pretty good. I'd give Grass Knot a slash with Energy Ball IMO.
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    Not really relevant. Energy Ball does better damage overall than Grass Knot, which make Energy Ball the better move. I would rather hit Lanturn or Rotom with a 80+STAB move than Claydol with a 100+STAB move. Claydol will take a huge amount damage anyways and you hit both Steelix and Cryogonal harder with Focus Blast.
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    Your own Golbat set does a decent job of beating this thing, funnily enough. Easy switch-in on two of its moves, can Taunt Nasty Plot, Roost off HP Rock, super-effective Brave Bird... yeah. +2 LO Hidden Power Rock does 70.1% - 82.5% to 252/84 Eviolite Golbat, while Golbat's Brave Bird does 106.8% - 126% in return. Definitely deserves a spot under Checks and Counters.

    Foongus and Roselia are even bigger counters. Neither one can be 2HKOed by +2 LO HP Rock (hell, Roselia isn't even 3HKOed most of the time), and both can KO with Poison-type STAB (Clear Smog from 56 SpA Amoonguss always 2HKOs [and it eliminates Nasty Plot], 0 SpA Roselia's Sludge Bomb always OHKOs after Life Orb damage). For that reason, I'd reccomend putting in info about HP Fire and HP Ice. Both are inferior to HP Rock overall, but they allow it to beat several other counters while still maintaining decent coverage overall.

    God this thing is limited.
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    Thank god you guys exsist, I always forget about some Pokémon.

    But the question is, who do you mean? Foongus or Amoongus? If it's Foongus, then hell no, if it's Amoongus, ok.

    I'll put HP Ice and Fire in OO.

    EDIT: Duh, HP Fire is already in the AC. Skipping HP Ice for now.

    EDIT 2:Ok, I'll add Amoongus then.
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    Sorry, Amoonguss. I always get those two mixed up.
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    Uhhhhh HP rock= 30 speed IV
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    and what other than the other simi's will it not be outspeeding with a 30 speed iv? itll still outspeed the same stuff.
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    Yeah, what Molten said. It's even mentioned in the analysis. Even in the other two as well.

    The Simis have an odd base Speed stat that only they posess, which sits at 101.
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    Not even a mention of a sub-seeder in oo? If it can work for Sceptile (who, albeit is faster) who has awful defenses and hp, it can work for simisage, probably.
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    No. Absolutely not. Sceptile outclasses it completely in terms of SubSeeding (and pretty much everything else bar Nasty Plot). SubSeed doesn't need a mention at all.

    EDIT: At the below poster: The only reason you would ever use Simisage over Sceptile and Serperior is Nasty Plot.


    EDIT 2: Ok Oglemi.
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    ^ If it can preform it and isn't totally awful, it deserves a mention. It just needs to be noted how utterly outclassed it is by Sceptile and Serperior.

    EDIT: to the above: No shit, but if Simisage is a capable SubSeeder, it deserves an OO mention. I'm not saying to give it a set or anything. Just a mention. Just a few words in this analysis to prevent QC from potentially having to lock some pointless thread later about a SubSeed set for Simisage. Which is worse?
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    If a set is usable it deserves a mention period. If Simisage wasn't so harshly outclassed by Sceptile and Serperior it would even get a set (like it most likely will in NU). Take a look at the stuff that I mention in OO for stuff like Marowak, Huntail, and Lickilicky in DPP UU. Probably no one would be stupid enough to run those sets seriously, but in all theory, they are things that the Pokemon can do.

    About the only things you wouldn't mention in OO are moves and sets that just don't make any sense, like Curse Simisage (if there were such a thing), and even then you probably could still mention it.
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    Ah, yes! The last one... Thank you, all three.

    Now to write this thingy.
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    Ok, this is now written.

    Have at it GP.
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    Check implemented. I left some changes out though and rewrote what I wrote from the beginning to make things more clear etc. etc., since your changes would otherwise make the analysis all wrong. It's not your fault though, it's mine for not being clear enough.

    Thanks for the check though.

    Ready for a second check.
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    [Overview]

    <p>A member of the new monkey trio, Simisage isn't exactly the best of the three. Being a Grass-type Pokemon, Simisage has an awful defensive typing, giving it weaknesses to the common attacking moves in the tier. Simisage wasn't blessed with a good movepool either, with its best STAB move being Energy Ball (Leaf Storm??). However, one should not compare Simisage to the other two monkeys, but should instead look at what it has over other Grass-types. It has an exceptional Speed stat, which makes it one of the fastest Grass-types in the tier, outspeeding many common threats such as Moltres and Entei. It gets even better: Simisage also receives Nasty Plot, a move Victreebel, (remove comma) and Sceptile, and Leafeon (Leafeon's base SpA is 65 iirc...) wish they had, allowing Simisage to boost its decent Special Attack stat to incredible levels. Combine Simisage's good offensive typing, great Speed stat, and access to Nasty Plot with the proper team support, (add comma) and this monkey will rock your opponent's world.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Energy Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Rock
    move 4: Focus Blast
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Simisage's best set and the only thing it should really do (this is a bit awkwardly worded, but it's up to you). With its great Speed stat, Simisage is a excellent user of Nasty Plot. Energy Ball is Simisage's best STAB option, and will do quite a bit of damage after a boost or two, while Hidden Power Rock lets Simisage hit the common Fire-, Bug-, and Flying-types in the tier, such as Moltres, Entei, Scyther, and Honchkrow, for super effectively damage. Due to its odd base 101 Speed, the lowering of Simisage's Speed IVs doesn't matter, as it maintains the ability to outpace all base 100 and slower Pokemon. Focus Blast is used mainly to hit Ferroseed, but it is also the easiest way to get rid of Pokemon such as Munchlax, Aggron, and Steelix, as well as other Grass-types that don't resist the move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Substitute can makes setting up easier for Simisage by protecting it from damage and status. If you opt to use Substitute over Focus Blast, Hidden Power Fire is an option to hit Ferroseed, as well as and other Grass-types, especially Roselia and Amoongus. However, packing a super effective coverage option against Fire-types is more important, as they are pretty common. You can instead choose opt (you said opt in the previous sentence) to use Substitute over Hidden Power Rock, keeping Focus Blast to hit Fire-types neutrally, but this will let Moltres, Charizard, and Roselia stop Simisage cold. Leaf Storm is Simisage's most powerful move, and can put a huge dent into anything that doesn't resist it, but but Simisage can find it hard to set up Nasty Plot twice, as Leaf Storm lowers its Special Attack by two stages back to normal again. However, it does provide Simisage with enough pure power to virtually ensure a KO before it goes down. Leftovers works great in combination with Substitute to restore lost health.</p>

    <p>Simisage needs good support to function well. Uxie can help Simisage by setting up dual screens and Stealth Rock, which can ease both Simisage's setup and its sweep. Qwilfish is another Pokemon that can set up entry hazards, specifically Spikes and Toxic Spikes. It is also wise to remove faster opposing Pokemon, as they can swiftly pick off Simisage before it accomplishes anything. Faster Bug-types such as Scyther, Accelgor, and Galvantula can easily KO Simisage with their super effective STAB moves. Aggron is a good choice to stop both Scyther and Accelgor, while Lanturn or Steelix can take care of Galvantula. Moltres is also an option, but it needs to watch out for Galvantula's Thunder. Certain Flying-types can also be a problem for Simisage; Swellow, (add comma) for instance, (add comma) is faster and hits super-hard with Brave Bird. Aggron is the best counter to Swellow in the tier, (add comma) and can easily take hits from it. Specially defensive Mandibuzz easily sponges all of Simisage's moves and can KO back with Brave Bird; Rotom-A, Galvantula, and Aggron can all take Mandibuzz down with their powerful STAB moves. Lastly, as Simisage has no way to increase its own Speed, so Baton Passing it Speed boosts can really help. Gligar is an an excellent choice, as it which combines great physical bulk with the ability to pass Rock Polish boosts.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Grass Knot is another STAB option, as it deals more damage to Pokemon such as Claydol, Dusknoir, and Munchlax than Energy Ball. However, it is unreliable, (add comma) and weaker against Pokemon such as Lanturn and Rotom. Choice Specs is a way to bypass set-up, but the power difference is too noticeable, and is better left to Pokemon such as Sceptile. Simisage can utilize a Choice Band set to some success, but its limited rather shallow movepool and only decent Attack stat holds it back, therefore and it's not recommended. If you opt to use it, Simisage has access to decent physical moves such as Seed Bomb, Rock Slide, and Brick Break. It also has Crunch and Acrobatics for coverage, as well as Low Kick as an option over Brick Break. In the same vein, Simisage also has access to Hone Claws, but a mere +1 Attack boost isn't enough; again, Nasty Plot is far superior. Simisage also has access to Taunt and has the Speed to use it, but Substitute is generally the better move.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Mandibuzz resists Simisage's STAB moves, has high enough Special Defense to withstand Hidden Power Rock, and can KO Simisage with Brave Bird. The same goes for Golbat, Roselia, and Amoongus, as they can survive Hidden Power Rock and KO Simisage with Brave Bird, Sludge Bomb, and Clear Smog respectively. Specially defensive Weezing can comfortably check Simisage and threatens it with Fire Blast or Sludge Bomb. Faster threats such as Galvantula, Accelgor, Scyther, Swellow, and Archeops can outspeed and easily KO Simisage with their super effective STAB moves. However, they need to be careful when switching in, as Simisage almost always carries a move that can KO them instead.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Simisage receives Overgrow as its Dream World ability. Overgrow can be put to good use on Simisage, who will often find itself at low HP, and the extra power boost will come in handy. However, Gluttony does have its merits when pinch berries such as Liechi, Petaya, and Salac are released.</p>

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    'this or that' is singular, 'this and that' is plural
    few typos that could have been avoided but nbd, that's what we're here for ;)
    A few run-on sentences (use commas!)
    And a bit of redundancy.

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    Ah, thanks for the check, implemented.

    This now done and ready for upload.
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