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Simisage (Revamp) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Dat Blast, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. Dat Blast

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    Right now I have three sets planned out, but I need some QC feedback before I start on the whole thing! Also, might need a little help on the set order too!
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    [Overview]
    • Nice combination of Speed and power
    • Hits a great Speed tier, letting it outspeed threats like Charizard, Jynx, and Sawsbuck
    • Good mixed attacking stats w/ a solid movepool to back it up
    • Grass typing sucks in a meta dominated by Scolipede
    • Frail, with many exploitable weaknesses
    • Competition from Serperior, who's faster, bulkier, and boosts easier
    • Simisage separates itself w/ the ability to hit hard off the bat
    • Awesome movepool compared to other Grasses
    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Simisage's best set; makes use of its good coverage and immediate offensive presence
    • Works as a late-game cleaner or mid-game hole puncher
    • Can set up a Sub on things he forces out and shield from status/revenge killers
    • Giga Drain is best Grass STAB/heals off Sub + LO recoil
    • Also works well w/ Sub, Subbing down to Overgrow range and retaliating w/ a strong Giga Drain
    • Can continuously spam Sub + Drain once Grass resists are gone
    • Superpower gets great coverage on Sap Sippers/Steels/Skunk, and nails special walls like Licky/Regice
    • HP Rock wraps up the coverage, hitting Fire, Flying, and Bug-types harder than any other move
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • HP Fire for Grasses/Metang while still hitting Bugs
    • Misses out on Zard though, who's more important
    • Focus Blast > Superpower, but it misses and doesn't do anything Superpower doesn't
    • Struggles a lot against bulky Grasses, so mons that can deal w/ them are useful
    • Fire-types like Zard destroy Grass-types, and lure in Waters like Alomomola for Sage to take advantage of
    • Jynx is also a good partner, dealing w/ Grasses and also threatening annoying Poison-types w/ Psychic
    • In return, Sage lures in and dents many special walls w/ Superpower
    • Finds difficulties switching in due to its frailty, so slow Volt Switch/Baton Pass support from Eel/Probopass/Mushy is useful
    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Seed Bomb
    move 3: Acrobatics
    move 4: Low Kick / Endeavor
    item: Flying Gem
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Sage can use a fully physical set to lure in and dent normal checks
    • Decent wallbreaker thanks to his great SE coverage
    • Sub to protect from status, revenge killing, etc.
    • Also helps to get into Overgrow range easier
    • Seed Bomb best physical STAB, dents many physical walls (Alomomola, Regirock)
    • Acrobatics is a cool coverage move that hurts Tangela/Vileplume/Roselia, and as a bonus kills Scolipede
    • Low Kick covers Steels + special walls
    • Endeavor is another option for further wallbreaking, with Sub helping to reach 1 HP
    • Endeavor is a bit harder to pull off, though
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • 8 HP EVs look weird, but let Sage make 5 Subs from full health
    • Hone Claws in the last slot to boost Attack, but the other moves have more utility
    • Rock Slide for Fire-types, but Acrobatics hits them hard enough
    • Toxic Spikes are useful to help make wallbreaking easier; Scolipede/Garbodor are good choices to set them up
    • Cleaners, such as Swellow, appreciate Sage's wallbreaking abilities
    • Still struggles against bulky Poisons (Muk, Garbodor), so mons that can deal w/ them are good partners
    • Scarf Jynx kills Poisons, and can clean up late-game once walls are removed
    • Piloswine beats Poisons, resists Ice w/ Thick Fat, sets up SR, and kills many of Sage's checks
    • Slow Volt Switch/Baton Pass from Eel/Probopass/Mushy is nice, allowing Simisage to enter the field unscathed
    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Focus Blast / Substitute
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb / Salac Berry
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Set aims to boost SpA and go for a sweep
    • Crazy powerful after a boost if you manage to sneak one in
    • NP is the boosting move of choice, boosts faster than Serperior which is a key selling point
    • Giga Drain for STAB/also heals off LO recoil
    • Focus Blast gets great coverage against Steels/Sap Sipper mons
    • Also does crazy things like OHKO Licky/Regice after a boost + rocks!
    • Sub for more conservative boosting, though you lose out on great coverage
    • Focus Blast better w/ LO, Sub better w/ Salac Berry
    • HP Rock for best coverage, hits Zard, Braviary, Scolipede on the switch, etc.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Gluttony b/c NP is illegal w/ Overgrow
    • HP Fire for Grasses/Metang, but hitting Zard is more important
    • Super strong after a boost, the only problem is getting the boost
    • Dual screens/Memento support is nice, Gardy/Muk are great partners for this role (Gardy even gets both)
    • Likes SR so it can OHKO Regice w/ Focus Blast after a boost/OHKO Mandibuzz w/ HP Rock after a boost
    • Golem/Golurk set up SR + lure in Water-types for Sage to threaten out/boost
    • They also kill bulky Poisons/Metang which are annoying for Sage
    • Zard kills Plume/Rose and lures in Waters
    [Other Options]
    • Mixed Hone Claws set (Seed Bomb, Focus Blast, Acrobatics), but NP is a better/stronger booster
    • Work Up boosts Sage's mixed offenses, but still outdone by NP
    • Specs + Leaf Storm, but LO allows for switching up attacks
    • Scarf, but all of Sage's moves are either weak or are bad to be locked into
    • Taunt, but it's too frail to make use of it/done better by Serp
    • Leech Seed + Acrobatics to get around Grasses, but it's too frail
    • Bullet Seed for Subs/Sturdy mons, but it's illegal w/ Overgrow
    • SunnyBeamer set, but done better by Chlorophyll Eggy and Victreebel
    • Grass Knot, but Giga Drain is more consistent/useful
    • Crunch/Shadow Claw on the physical set, but doesn't offer much in coverage + weak
    • Gunk Shot hits Grasses, but Acrobatics is more accurate + hits Plume/Rose harder
    • Grasswhistle is too inaccurate
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Hard to counter, but easy to check
    • Bulky Poisons (Garbodor, Muk) are best counters, tanking any attack and OHKOing w/ their STABs
    • Metang lives anything thanks to its bulk/typing and can dent w/ Meteor Mash
    • Dragonair tanks all of its hits and can set up DD
    • Pokemon that can outspeed can usually kill it due to its frailty
    • Scolipede takes any hit except HP Rock/Acrobatics and OHKOes w/ Megahorn
    • Scarfers, such as Jynx/Primeape/Charizard, can revenge kill it
    • Swellow doesn't like switching in, but destroys w/ Brave Bird
    • Priority kills a weakened one (Kanga's Fake Out + Sucker Punch combo and Gurdurr's Mach Punch)

    [Overview]

    <p>Simisage sports a nice balance of Speed and power, allowing it to take the role of a fast hard-hitter. With good mixed attacking stats and high Speed, Simisage can swing past many common threats such as Charizard, Jynx, and Sawsbuck, and threaten them with its coverage moves. However, Simisage's Grass typing does it no favors defensively, burdening it with several weaknesses to common attacking types. It is also very frail, leaving it hard-pressed to find many switch-in opportunities. As a Grass-type, Simisage faces a lot of competition from Serperior, a faster and more reliable boosting sweeper. However, Simisage's versatility and ability to immediately threaten the opposing team are able to set it apart from its competition.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>All of Simisage's best qualities are displayed in this set: its great coverage, good mixed attacking stats, and high Speed. By virtue of this, Simisage can serve as an excellent cleaner, capable of punching holes in many teams. Simisage can set up a Substitute on many Pokemon it forces out, such as Alomomola and Seismitoad, and let its vast coverage do the rest. Substitute is an excellent move for Simisage in general, protecting it from status and revenge killers while also easing prediction. Giga Drain serves as Simisage's STAB move, and works very well in tandem with Substitute and its ability, Overgrow; Simisage can use Substitute to get down into Overgrow range, heal the damage off with a boosted Giga Drain, and rinse and repeat once bulky Pokémon that resist the move are removed. Superpower is an excellent coverage move that Simisage has access to; not only does it provide a strong hit on Steel-types, Skuntank, and Sap Sipper Pokemon such as Miltank and Sawsbuck, but it nails several special walls such as Lickilicky and Regice as well. Hidden Power Rock rounds off this set's coverage, notably hitting Fire-, Flying-, and Bug-types for super effective damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Fire can be considered over Hidden Power Rock, providing a strong hit against bulky Grass-types and Metang while still hitting Bug-types super effectively. However, without Hidden Power Rock, Simisage misses out on Charizard, an arguably more important threat. Focus Blast can be used over Superpower with a Timid nature, but its miss chance is undesirable and Focus Blast does not gain any notable KOs. Simisage struggles against many bulky Grass-types such as Roselia and Vileplume, so partners that can deal with them are quite useful. Charizard is a prime example, hitting the aforementioned Grass-types with Fire Blast while also luring in Water-types such as Alomomola for Simisage to set up on. Jynx is another good partner, easily crushing Grass-types with Ice Beam while also threatening bulky Poison-types, such as Garbodor, with STAB Psychic. In return, Simisage can lure and KO special walls with Superpower. Finally, Simisage has a lot of difficulty switching in due to its frailty; a slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass from Eelektross, Probopass, or Musharna is quite useful to compensate for that.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Seed Bomb
    move 3: Acrobatics
    move 4: Low Kick / Endeavor
    item: Flying Gem
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Simisage can opt to go fully physically offensive in order to lure and KO many normal checks, and can serve as a decent wallbreaker due to its good Attack and wide array of coverage moves. Substitute shields Simisage from status and revenge killing, and can also help to ensure that Simisage gets safely into Overgrow range. Simisage's Grass-type STAB is a major selling point to this set, serving as a weapon against physically defensive titans such as Alomomola and Regirock. Acrobatics is an interesting coverage move that allows Simisage to lure and defeat Tangela, Vileplume, and Roselia, common checks to its other sets. It also has the added benefit of hitting Bug-types such as Scolipede for super effective damage. Low Kick is the preferred move in the last slot, providing coverage against Steel-types, Lickilicky, and Regice. Endeavor, on the other hand, is a more colorful option to be considered, being able to bring an opponent down to 1 HP after four uses of Substitute. Endeavor is a bit trickier to pull off, however, making Low Kick the superior option most of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>8 HP EVs are used to allow Simisage to make four Substitutes from full health, while the rest maximizes Speed and power. Hone Claws can be used to allow Simisage to boost its Attack, but Simisage would prefer to straightaway attack than boost up, especially considering its limited lifespan. Rock Slide can hit Fire- and Flying-types while still covering Bug-types, but Acrobatics generally hits these Pokemon hard enough. Toxic Spikes support is incredibly useful in helping Simisage break down walls; because of this, Scolipede and Garbodor make for fine partners. Pokemon such as Swellow appreciate Simisage's ability to break down walls, and can efficiently clean up once said walls have either been weakened or removed. Simisage struggles quite a bit against bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk; Choice Scarf Jynx can threaten them out with Psychic, and appreciates Simisage's wallbreaking services as well. Piloswine can also take on most Poison-types with ease, and can set up Stealth Rock while sharing solid offensive and defensive synergy with Simisage. Finally, slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass support from Eelektross, Probopass, or Musharna is greatly appreciated to allow Simisage to enter the field safely.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Focus Blast / Substitute
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb / Salac Berry
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Simisage does face a lot of competition from Serperior in the role of a boosting sweeper, its higher Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot set it apart. Simisage also boosts significantly faster than Serperior, meaning it can deal much more damage after a single boost. Unfortunately, Simisage's frailty can often make it difficult to obtain a boost, but it can still find setup opportunities against Pokemon it threatens out. Giga Drain serves as a reasonably strong STAB move, and is useful for healing off Life Orb recoil. Focus Blast attains coverage against Steel-types and Sap Sipper Pokemon, and is especially handy for crushing most special walls&mdash;after a Nasty Plot boost and Stealth Rock, even Lickilicky and Regice are OHKOed! On the other hand, Substitute can be used for more conservative boosting, allowing you to set up more freely against the likes of Alomomola and Seismitoad. It should be noted that Focus Blast works better with Life Orb, but Substitute works better with Salac Berry. Finally, the last slot is reserved for Hidden Power Rock, attaining coverage on Charizard, Braviary, and Scolipede.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Gluttony is used on this set because Nasty Plot is illegal with Overgrow, despite the fact that it is only useful on variants running Salac Berry. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Metang harder than any other move, but coverage against Charizard is too important to pass up. Simisage boasts incredible power if it manages to get a boost&mdash;the only problem is actually getting that boost, as Simisage's frailty often denies it many setup opportunities. Because of this, dual screens or Memento support is extremely useful to allow Simisage to set up; Gardevoir and Muk make great partners in this regard. Stealth Rock support is appreciated to allow Simisage to OHKO Regice and Mandibuzz after a boost with Focus Blast and Hidden Power Rock, respectively. Ground-types can set up Stealth Rock, lure in Water-types for Simisage, and can threaten bulky Poison-types and Metang with their STABs. Charizard is another good partner, being able to crush Grass / Poison-types such as Roselia and Vileplume, and also lure out bulky Water-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Simisage can use a mixed set utilizing Hone Claws alongside moves such as Seed Bomb, Focus Blast, and Acrobatics; however, Nasty Plot is a better boosting move. In a similar vein, Work Up can boost both of Simisage's offenses, but Nasty Plot is still superior. Leaf Storm is Simisage's strongest attack, and can be used alongside Choice Specs to make Simisage a powerful wallbreaker. However, the -2 Special Attack drop is undesirable, and Life Orb makes Simisage more versatile. Simisage hits a valuable Speed tier at base 101, making a Choice Scarf set seem plausible. Unfortunately, all of Simisage's moves are either too weak or terrible to be locked into. Taunt can make Simisage a decent anti-lead, but it is too frail to make good use of the move, and is outclassed by Serperior in this role. Leech Seed can sap away at the opponent's health, while Acrobatics can deal with opposing Grass-types; however, it has far better things to be doing and is too frail to use it efficiently. Bullet Seed can break Sturdy from the likes of Golem; unfortunately, it is illegal with Overgrow. Finally, Grasswhistle can potentially neuter a counter for the rest of the match, but is too inaccurate to be worth using.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Simisage is hard to directly counter due to its high Speed and vast array of coverage moves; checking it is a much simpler task. Bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk are the best answers, as they are not weak to any of Simisage's moves and can OHKO in return with their STABs. In a similar boat, Metang can comfortably tank anything Simisage throws at it and can dent it with Meteor Mash. Dragonair, although rare, can take Simisage's hits for days and set up with Dragon Dance. Faster Pokemon can also get the jump on Simisage; due to its general frailty, most neutral hits will leave a large dent, if not OHKO. Scolipede can switch in on Simisage's Grass-type moves and OHKO with Megahorn. Choice Scarf users such as Jynx, Primeape, and Charizard can also revenge kill it, though they sometimes have difficulty switching in. Swellow also dislikes switching in (even against Grass-type moves), but can crush Simisage with Brave Bird. Finally, priority is effective at revenge killing a weakened Simisage, examples being Kangaskhan's Fake Out and Sucker Punch combination and Gurdurr's Mach Punch.</p>
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2013
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    i'd probably remove the all out attacker since the only niche it has over the first set is leaf storm which can probably just be mentioned in ac. add a physical set with substitute / acrobatics / seed bomb / superpower|endeavor. it's a cool physical sweeper that can hurt alomomola, tangela and regirock which are some of the bulkiest walls in the tier. endeavor allows it to wall-break even further and substitute allows it to abuse the move even easier, as well as overgrow.
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    What FLCL said, and make the order Sub + Three Attacks > SubAcro (idk if that's what we want to call it) > Nasty Plot
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    Okay, gonna take the physical set for a spin before I work on the whole thing though. Also probably there should be some new names for the sets, cuz both SubDrain and SubAcro are both technically Sub + 3 attacks. :\
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    Special Attacker and Physical Attacker would both be fine, I reckon
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    Finally wrote up the skeleton, so ready for QC checks!
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    [Overview]
    • Remove the part about outspeeding Haunter; the only thing it can really do to it is hit it with Acro which is only on one of the three sets. I'd replace it with something that each set can beat, such as non-Choice Scarf Sawsbuck.
    • In the last point, add that it has a fantastic movepool compared to most other Grass-types. The only thing it doesn't have that it would really love is Sleep Powder, but Serperior doesn't have that either.
    [SET COMMENTS] (Mixed Attacker)
    • Combine points three and four and just say "can set up Sub against things it forces out to shield from status and revenge killers"
    • Mention that you can keep spamming Sub + Overgrow Giga Drain if the opponent's Grass resist is gone
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Mixed Attacker)
    • When you mention missing out on Charizard, throw out Scolipede too which you would miss out with HP Ice and note that you either HP Ice or Fire should only really be considered to hit specific Grass-types (Vileplume, Roselia, Exeggutor).
    • Cut the mention of Leftovers. I'd never want to use Leftovers>Life Orb for any reason really
    • When you mention Volt Switch/U-turn/Baton Pass, specifically state slow users of the moves
    [SET] (Physical Attacker)
    • I would rather see Low Kick used on this set over Superpower. Metang is hit for the same Base Power, Lickilicky is hit for base 100, Klang for base 80, Probopass and Bastiodon are demolished, etc. One of the things you miss out on is Audino, but I really don't think that's enough for me to want to run Superpower and force Simisage out (especially if you get behind a Sub). Raseri was ok with this too. Make sure to change SET COMMENTS to reflect this.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Physical Attacker)
    • I was going to tell you to mention Swords Dance, but Simisage is the only goddamn Grass-type without it. >:|
    • Mention Ground-types when you talk about partners to beat Poison-types. Piloswine sounds cool because it resists Ice, beats every Poison-type, sets Stealth Rock, can beat revenge killers/faster stuff that can donk Simisage (Swellow, Jumpluff, Scarf Jynx, Kanga to an extent), etc.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Nasty Plot)
    • State that the reason to use Gluttony despite Overgrow being way better is because Nasty Plot is only legal with Gluttony.
    • Mention Salac Berry. After a boost, pretty much the only sort of common Choice Scarf user that can outspeed it is Zebstrika, and if it runs Modest, it actually Speed ties with Simisage lol. Plus, it gives purpose to Gluttony.
    • Muk doesn't get screens, so mention Gardevoir here too, especially because Gardevoir can both set screens and pop off a Memento. I've actually used NP Simisear with Gardevoir before, and even though it's not the same Pokemon, it was still really good.
    • Cut the mention of Musharna. Especially if you're using screens/Memento support with Simisage, there won't be any room for Musharna, and screens/Memento do this better than Mush anyways.
    [Other Options]
    • Sunny Day + Solarbeam is done better by every Chlorophyll Pokemon really, so I wouldn't just say Exeggutor there. Victreebel is actually probably the best anyways because fast/Weather Ball.
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Cut the Braviary mention. Sub Bulk Up Braviary can't set up on any of its sets except the physical attacker one, and it's 2HKO'd by HP Rock after SR.
    Lots of stuff to implement because you have a lot of content here. Just be sure to get everything, and I'll stamp it. Good work. :)
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    Okay done :)
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    Good job! Sorry about the delay on the check.

    QC Approved 1/3
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    [Additional Comments]
    I don't see the point of HP Ice here. Dragons are not very common and the Grass-types that you hit either wall you (Roselia and Vileplume) or you can hit with Superpower (Sawsbuck). HP Fire lets you hit Metang and the general HP Rock targets in Scolipede and Jynx which is why it's a decent AC option.

    [Set] (NP)
    I think Salac is worthy of a secondary slash on this set because of the huge potential for a sweep that it has with the most common Scarf Pokemon being unable to revenge it and it having Gluttony. I don't think Sub is that good without Salac Berry since it can't have Overgrow with NP and it doesn't set up on much.

    Everything else looked good to me Dat Blast

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    Sorry for late getback, I'll (hopefully) write this up soon!
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    it actually 2hkoes with every move barring superpower, unless we're talking eviolite haunter. if haunter is an lo variant, you can sub down to overgrow with it taking lo dmg every turn and ohko with an overgrow-boosted giga drain.

    252 SpA Life Orb Overgrow Simisage Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Haunter: 159-187 (68.53 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    not that this needs to be edited in or anything; i just want to clarify that simisage will usually win vs haunter unless haunter comes in at full hp and simisage is not behind a sub (ie it gets a free switch in or double switches when simi comes in), or if it is scarf haunter.
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    Wrote this up after like a month :<
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    <p>Simisage sports a nice balance of Speed and power, allowing it to take the role of a fast,(RC) hard-hitter. With good mixed attacking stats and high Speed, Simisage can swing past many common threats such as Charizard, Jynx, and Sawsbuck,(AC) and banana (I get the flavorful writing here, but bananas aren't hurting anyone anytime soon lol; please change it to another verb of you choice [maybe "surprise" or "bombard"?]) them with its coverage moves. However, Simisage's Grass typing does it no favors defensively, burdening it with several weaknesses to common attacking types. It is also very frail, leaving it hard-pressed to find many switch-in opportunities. As a Grass-type, Simisage faces a lot of competition from Serperior, a faster and more reliable boosting sweeper. However, Simisage's versatility and ability to immediately threaten the opposing team are able to set it apart from its competition.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>All of Simisage's best qualities are displayed in this set: its great coverage, good mixed attacking stats, and high Speed. By virtue of this, Simisage can serve as an excellent cleaner, capable of punching holes
    through in many teams. Simisage can set up a Substitute on many Pokemon it forces out, such as Alomomola and Seismitoad, and let its vast coverage do the rest. Substitute is an excellent move for Simisage in general, protecting it from status and revenge killers while also easing prediction. Giga Drain serves as Simisage's STAB move, and works very well in tandem with Substitute and its ability,(AC) Overgrow; Simisage can use Substitute to get down into Overgrow range, heal the damage off with a boosted Giga Drain, and rinse and repeat once bulky resists are removed. Superpower is an excellent coverage move that Simisage has access to; not only does it provide a strong hit on Steel-types, Skuntank, and Sap Sipper Pokemon such as Miltank and Sawsbuck, but nails several special walls such as Lickilicky and Regice as well. Hidden Power Rock rounds off this set's coverage, notably hitting Fire-, Flying-, and Bug-types for super effective damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Fire can be considered over
    Hidden Power Rock, providing a strong hit against bulky Grass-types and Metang while still hitting Bug-types for super effective damage. However, without Hidden Power Rock,(AC) you miss out on Charizard, an arguably more important threat. Focus Blast can be used over Superpower with a Timid nature, but its miss chance is undesirable and Focus Blast does not gain any notable KOs. Simisage struggles against many bulky Grass-types such as Roselia and Vileplume, so partners that can deal with them are quite useful. Charizard is a prime example, roasting the aforementioned Grass-types with Fire Blast while also luring in Water-types such as Alomomola for Simisage to set up on. Jynx is another good partner, easily crushing Grass-types with Ice Beam while also threating threatening bulky Poison-types, such as Garbodor, with STAB Psychic. In return, Simisage can lure and KO special walls with Superpower. Finally, Simisage finds much has a lot of difficulty switching in due to its frailty; a slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass from Eelektross, Probopass, and Musharna are is quite useful to compensate for that.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Seed Bomb
    move 3: Acrobatics
    move 4: Low Kick / Endeavor
    item: Flying Gem
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Simisage can opt to go fully physically offensive in order to lure and KO many normal checks, and can serve as a decent wallbreaker due to its
    decent good (The word "decent" was just used earlier in the sentence) Attack and wide array of coverage moves. With Substitute, Simisage is shielded Substitute shields Simisage from status and revenge killing, and can also help to ensure that Simisage gets safely into Overgrow range. Simisage's Grass-type STAB is a major selling point to this set, serving as a weapon against physically defensive titans such as Alomomola and Regirock. Acrobatics is an interesting coverage move that allows Simisage to lure and defeat Tangela, Vileplume, and Roselia, common checks to its other sets. It also has the added benefit of hitting Bug-types such as Scolipede for super effective damage. Low Kick is the preferred move in the last slot, providing coverage against Steel-types, Lickilicky, and Regice. Endeavor, on the other hand, is a more colorful option to be considered, being able to bring an opponent down to 1 HP after four uses of Substitute. Endeavor is a bit trickier to pull off, however, making Low Kick the superior option most of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>8 HP EVs are used to allow Simisage to make
    4 four Substitutes from full health, while the rest maximizes Speed and power. Hone Claws can be used to allow Simisage to boost its Attack, but Simisage would prefer to straightaway attack than boost up, especially considering its limited lifespan. Rock Slide can hit Fire- and Flying-types while still covering Bug-types, but Acrobatics generally hits these Pokemon hard enough. Toxic Spikes support is incredibly useful in helping Simisage break down walls; because of this, Scolipede and Garbodor make for fine partners as they can set them up. Pokemon such as Swellow appreciate Simisage's ability to break down walls, and can efficiently clean up once said walls have been either been weakened or removed. Simisage struggles quite a bit against bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk; Choice Scarf Jynx can threaten them out with Psychic, and appreciates Simisage's wallbreaking services as well. Piloswine can also take on most Poison-types with ease, and can set up Stealth Rock while sharing solid offensive and defensive synergy with Simisage. Finally, slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass support from Eelektross, Probopass, and Musharna is greatly appreciated to allow Simisage to enter the field safely.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Focus Blast / Substitute
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb / Salac Berry
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Simisage does face a lot of competition from Serperior in the role of a boosting sweeper, its higher Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot set it apart. Simisage
    also boosts significantly faster than Serperior and has a Special Attack (if you meant to say, "has a higher Special Attack", then don't, as it was just said in the previous sentence), meaning it can deal much more damage after a single boost. Unfortunately, Simisage's frailty can often make it difficult to obtain a boost, but it can still find setup opportunities against Pokemon it threatens out. Giga Drain serves as a reasonably strong STAB move, and is useful for healing off Life Orb recoil. Focus Blast attains coverage against Steel-types and Sap Sipper Pokemon, and is especially handy for crushing most special walls&mdash;after a Nasty Plot boost and Stealth Rock, even Lickilicky and Regice are OHKOed! On the other hand, Substitute can be used for more conservative boosting, allowing you to set up more freely against the likes of Alomomola and Seismitoad. It should be noted that Focus Blast works better with Life Orb, but Substitute works better with Salac Berry. Finally, the last slot is reserved for Hidden Power Rock, attaining coverage against on Charizard, Braviary, Scolipede, and the like (It sounds kinda awkward to end the paragraph off like that, maybe end it with something like "attaining coverage on Pokemon like Charizard, Braviary, and Scolipede" <-- this means the exact same thing as you were trying to say, but it has a better conclusion imo.).</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Gluttony is used on this set because Nasty Plot is illegal with Overgrow, despite the fact that it is only useful on variants running Salac Berry. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Metang harder than any other move, but coverage against Charizard is too important to pass up. Simisage boasts incredible power if it manages to get a boost&mdash;the only problem is actually getting that boost, as Simisage's frailty often denies it many setup opportunities. Because of this, dual screens or Memento support is extremely useful to allow Simisage to set up; Gardevoir and Muk make great partners in this regard. Stealth Rock support is appreciated to allow Simisage to OHKO Regice and Mandibuzz after a boost with Focus Blast and Hidden Power Rock, respectively. Ground-types can set up Stealth Rock, lure in Water-types for Simisage, and can threaten bulky Poison-types and Metang with their STABs. Charizard is another good partner, being able to crush Grass
    -(remove hyphen) / Poison-types,(RC) such as Roselia and Vileplume, and can also lure out bulky Water-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Simisage can use a mixed set utilizing Hone Claws
    ,(RC) alongside moves such as Seed Bomb, Focus Blast, and Acrobatics, however,(AC) Nasty Plot is a better boosting move a boosting role is better done by Nasty Plot. In a similar vein, Work Up can boost both of Simisage's offenses, but Nasty Plot is still superior. Leaf Storm is Simisage's strongest attack, and can be used alongside Choice Specs to make Simisage a powerful wallbreaker. However, the -2 Special Attack drop is undesirable, and Life Orb makes Simisage more versatile. Simisage hits a valuable Speed tier at base 101, making a Choice Scarf set seem plausible. Unfortunately, all of Simisage's moves are either too weak or terrible to be locked into, making it an inferior Choice Scarf user (There's no need to mention this). Taunt can make Simisage a decent anti-lead, but it is too frail to make good use of the move, and is outclassed by Serperior in this role. Leech Seed can sap away at the opponent's health; Simisage can also use while Acrobatics to can deal with opposing Grass-types.(RP) It has far better things to be doing, however, Simisage has far better things to do and is quite too frail to pull it off (Sentence structure was awkward before, however, feel free to reword my suggestions to fit your style of writing). Bullet Seed can break Sturdy from the likes of Golem; unfortunately, it is illegal with Overgrow. Finally, Grasswhistle can potentially neuter a counter for the rest of the match, but is too inaccurate to be worth using.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Simisage is hard to directly counter due to its high Speed and vast array of coverage moves; however, checking it is a much simpler task. Bulky Poison-types
    ,(RC) such as Garbodor and Muk,(RC) are the best answers, as they are not weak to any of Simisage's moves and can OHKO in return with their STABs. In a similar boat, Metang can comfortably tank anything Simisage throws at it and can dent it with Meteor Mash. Dragonair, although rare, can take Simisage's hits for days and set up with Dragon Dance. Faster Pokemon can also get the jump on Simisage; due to its general frailty, most neutral hits will leave a large dent, if not OHKO. Scolipede can switch in on Simisage's Grass-type moves and OHKO with Megahorn. Choice Scarf users,(RC) such as Jynx, Primeape, and Charizard,(RC) can also revenge kill it, though they sometimes have difficulty switching in. Swellow also dislikes switching in (even against Grass-type moves), but can crush Simisage with Brave Bird. Finally, priority is effective at revenge killing a weakened Simisage, examples being Kangaskhan's Fake Out and Sucker Punch combination and Gurdurr's Mach Punch.</p>

    Great job Dat Blast!

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  17. Dat Blast

    Dat Blast fuck ninjask
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  18. Kingler12345

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    [Overview]

    <p>Simisage sports a nice balance of Speed and power, allowing it to take the role of a fast hard-hitter. With good mixed attacking stats and high Speed, Simisage can swing past many common threats such as Charizard, Jynx, and Sawsbuck, and threaten them with its coverage moves. However, Simisage's Grass typing does it no favors defensively, burdening it with several weaknesses to common attacking types. It is also very frail, leaving it hard-pressed to find many switch-in opportunities. As a Grass-type, Simisage faces a lot of competition from Serperior, a faster and more reliable boosting sweeper. However, Simisage's versatility and ability to immediately threaten the opposing team are able to set it apart from its competition.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>All of Simisage's best qualities are displayed in this set: its great coverage, good mixed attacking stats, and high Speed. By virtue of this, Simisage can serve as an excellent cleaner, capable of punching holes in many teams. Simisage can set up a Substitute on many Pokemon it forces out, such as Alomomola and Seismitoad, and let its vast coverage do the rest. Substitute is an excellent move for Simisage in general, protecting it from status and revenge killers while also easing prediction. Giga Drain serves as Simisage's STAB move, and works very well in tandem with Substitute and its ability, Overgrow; Simisage can use Substitute to get down into Overgrow range, heal the damage off with a boosted Giga Drain, and rinse and repeat once bulky Pokemon that resists it(tbh word it like anything as long as you use resist as an infinitive) are removed. Superpower is an excellent coverage move that Simisage has access to; not only does it provide a strong hit on Steel-types, Skuntank, and Sap Sipper Pokemon such as Miltank and Sawsbuck, but it nails several special walls such as Lickilicky and Regice as well. Hidden Power Rock rounds off this set's coverage, notably hitting Fire-, Flying-, and Bug-types for super effective damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Fire can be considered over Hidden Power Rock, providing a strong hit against bulky Grass-types and Metang while still hitting Bug-types super effectively. However, without Hidden Power Rock, you miss out on Charizard, an arguably more important threat. Focus Blast can be used over Superpower with a Timid nature, but its miss chance is undesirable and Focus Blast does not gain any notable KOs. Simisage struggles against many bulky Grass-types such as Roselia and Vileplume, so partners that can deal with them are quite useful. Charizard is a prime example, roasting the aforementioned Grass-types with Fire Blast while also luring in Water-types such as Alomomola for Simisage to set up on. Jynx is another good partner, easily crushing Grass-types with Ice Beam while also threatening bulky Poison-types, such as Garbodor, with STAB Psychic. In return, Simisage can lure and KO special walls with Superpower. Finally, Simisage has a lot of difficulty switching in due to its frailty; a slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass from Eelektross, Probopass, and Musharna is quite useful to compensate for that.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Seed Bomb
    move 3: Acrobatics
    move 4: Low Kick / Endeavor
    item: Flying Gem
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Simisage can opt to go fully physically offensive in order to lure and KO many normal checks, and can serve as a decent wallbreaker due to its good Attack and wide array of coverage moves. Substitute shields Simisage from status and revenge killing, and can also help to ensure that Simisage gets safely into Overgrow range. Simisage's Grass-type STAB is a major selling point to this set, serving as a weapon against physically defensive titans such as Alomomola and Regirock. Acrobatics is an interesting coverage move that allows Simisage to lure and defeat Tangela, Vileplume, and Roselia, common checks to its other sets. It also has the added benefit of hitting Bug-types such as Scolipede for super effective damage. Low Kick is the preferred move in the last slot, providing coverage against Steel-types, Lickilicky, and Regice. Endeavor, on the other hand, is a more colorful option to be considered, being able to bring an opponent down to 1 HP after four uses of Substitute. Endeavor is a bit trickier to pull off, however, making Low Kick the superior option most of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>8 HP EVs are used to allow Simisage to make four Substitutes from full health, while the rest maximizes Speed and powerjs. Hone Claws can be used to allow Simisage to boost its Attack, but Simisage would prefer to straightaway attack than boost up, especially considering its limited lifespan. Rock Slide can hit Fire- and Flying-types while still covering Bug-types, but Acrobatics generally hits these Pokemon hard enough. Toxic Spikes support is incredibly useful in helping Simisage break down walls; because of this, Scolipede and Garbodor make for fine partners as they can set them up. Pokemon such as Swellow appreciate Simisage's ability to break down walls, and can efficiently clean up once said walls have either been weakened or removed. Simisage struggles quite a bit against bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk; Choice Scarf Jynx can threaten them out with Psychic, and appreciates Simisage's wallbreaking services as well. Piloswine can also take on most Poison-types with ease, and can set up Stealth Rock while sharing solid offensive and defensive synergy with Simisage. Finally, slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass support from Eelektross, Probopass, and Musharna is greatly appreciated to allow Simisage to enter the field safely.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Focus Blast / Substitute
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb / Salac Berry
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Simisage does face a lot of competition from Serperior in the role of a boosting sweeper, its higher Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot set it apart. Simisage also boosts significantly faster than Serperior, meaning it can deal much more damage after a single boost. Unfortunately, Simisage's frailty can often make it difficult to obtain a boost, but it can still find setup opportunities against Pokemon it threatens out. Giga Drain serves as a reasonably strong STAB move, and is useful for healing off Life Orb recoil. Focus Blast attains coverage against Steel-types and Sap Sipper Pokemon, and is especially handy for crushing most special walls&mdash;after a Nasty Plot boost and Stealth Rock, even Lickilicky and Regice are OHKOed! On the other hand, Substitute can be used for more conservative boosting, allowing you to set up more freely against the likes of Alomomola and Seismitoad. It should be noted that Focus Blast works better with Life Orb, but Substitute works better with Salac Berry. Finally, the last slot is reserved for Hidden Power Rock, attaining coverage on Charizard, Braviary, and Scolipede.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Gluttony is used on this set because Nasty Plot is illegal with Overgrow, despite the fact that it is only useful on variants running Salac Berry. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Metang harder than any other move, but coverage against Charizard is too important to pass up. Simisage boasts incredible power if it manages to get a boost&mdash;the only problem is actually getting that boost, as Simisage's frailty often denies it many setup opportunities. Because of this, dual screens or Memento support is extremely useful to allow Simisage to set up; Gardevoir and Muk make great partners in this regard. Stealth Rock support is appreciated to allow Simisage to OHKO Regice and Mandibuzz after a boost with Focus Blast and Hidden Power Rock, respectively. Ground-types can set up Stealth Rock, lure in Water-types for Simisage, and can threaten bulky Poison-types and Metang with their STABs. Charizard is another good partner, being able to crush Grass / Poison-(remove hyphen)types such as Roselia and Vileplume, and also lure out bulky Water-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Simisage can use a mixed set utilizing Hone Claws alongside moves such as Seed Bomb, Focus Blast, and Acrobatics;, however, Nasty Plot is a better boosting move. In a similar vein, Work Up can boost both of Simisage's offenses, but Nasty Plot is still superior. Leaf Storm is Simisage's strongest (STAB?)attack, and can be used alongside Choice Specs to make Simisage a powerful wallbreaker. However, the -2 Special Attack drop is undesirable, and Life Orb makes Simisage more versatile. Simisage hits a valuable Speed tier at base 101, making a Choice Scarf set seem plausible. Unfortunately, all of Simisage's moves are either too weak or terrible to be locked into. Taunt can make Simisage a decent anti-lead, but it is too frail to make good use of the move, and is outclassed by Serperior in this role. Leech Seed can sap away at the opponent's health, while Acrobatics can deal with opposing Grass-types;, however, it has far better things to be doing and is too frail to use it efficiently. Bullet Seed can break Sturdy from the likes of Golem; unfortunately, it is illegal with Overgrow. Finally, Grasswhistle can potentially neuter a counter for the rest of the match, but is too inaccurate to be worth using.</p>
    (about the semicolons above, I feel it works a lot better with semicolon as it's consistent with wherever you've put a semicolon before however elsewhere)
    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Simisage is hard to directly counter due to its high Speed and vast array of coverage moves; however, checking it is a much simpler task. Bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk are the best answers, as they are not weak to any of Simisage's moves and can OHKO in return with their STABs. In a similar boat, Metang can comfortably tank anything Simisage throws at it and can dent it with Meteor Mash. Dragonair, although rare, can take Simisage's hits for days and set up with Dragon Dance. Faster Pokemon can also get the jump on Simisage; due to its general frailty, most neutral hits will leave a large dent, if not OHKO. Scolipede can switch in on Simisage's Grass-type moves and OHKO with Megahorn. Choice Scarf users such as Jynx, Primeape, and Charizard can also revenge kill it, though they sometimes have difficulty switching in. Swellow also dislikes switching in (even against Grass-type moves), but can crush Simisage with Brave Bird. Finally, priority is effective at revenge killing a weakened Simisage, examples being Kangaskhan's Fake Out and Sucker Punch combination and Gurdurr's Mach Punch.</p>


    Didn't have many changes, although i've never seen 'in a similar boat' be used, especially the way you've worded it. Might wanna look over that ^_^
  19. GatoDelFuego

    GatoDelFuego Damn son, where'd ya find this?
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    <p>Simisage sports a nice balance of Speed and power, allowing it to take the role of a fast hard-hitter. With good mixed attacking stats and high Speed, Simisage can swing past many common threats such as Charizard, Jynx, and Sawsbuck, and threaten them with its coverage moves. However, Simisage's Grass typing does it no favors defensively, burdening it with several weaknesses to common attacking types. It is also very frail, leaving it hard-pressed to find many switch-in opportunities. As a Grass-type, Simisage faces a lot of competition from Serperior, a faster and more reliable boosting sweeper. However, Simisage's versatility and ability to immediately threaten the opposing team are able to set it apart from its competition.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Hasty
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>All of Simisage's best qualities are displayed in this set: its great coverage, good mixed attacking stats, and high Speed. By virtue of this, Simisage can serve as an excellent cleaner, capable of punching holes in many teams. Simisage can set up a Substitute on many Pokemon it forces out, such as Alomomola and Seismitoad, and let its vast coverage do the rest. Substitute is an excellent move for Simisage in general, protecting it from status and revenge killers while also easing prediction. Giga Drain serves as Simisage's STAB move, and works very well in tandem with Substitute and its ability, Overgrow; Simisage can use Substitute to get down into Overgrow range, heal the damage off with a boosted Giga Drain, and rinse and repeat once bulky Pokemon that resists it(tbh word it like anything as long as you use resist as an infinitive) In case you're wondering about this, "resists" shouldn't be used as a noun are removed. Superpower is an excellent coverage move that Simisage has access to; not only does it provide a strong hit on Steel-types, Skuntank, and Sap Sipper Pokemon such as Miltank and Sawsbuck, but it nails several special walls such as Lickilicky and Regice as well. Hidden Power Rock rounds off this set's coverage, notably hitting Fire-, Flying-, and Bug-types for super effective damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Fire can be considered over Hidden Power Rock, providing a strong hit against bulky Grass-types and Metang while still hitting Bug-types super effectively. However, without Hidden Power Rock, you Simisage misses out on Charizard, an arguably more important threat. Focus Blast can be used over Superpower with a Timid nature, but its miss chance is undesirable and Focus Blast does not gain any notable KOs. Simisage struggles against many bulky Grass-types such as Roselia and Vileplume, so partners that can deal with them are quite useful. Charizard is a prime example, roasting hitting pls no roast the aforementioned Grass-types with Fire Blast while also luring in Water-types such as Alomomola for Simisage to set up on. Jynx is another good partner, easily crushing Grass-types with Ice Beam while also threatening bulky Poison-types, such as Garbodor, with STAB Psychic. In return, Simisage can lure and KO special walls with Superpower. Finally, Simisage has a lot of difficulty switching in due to its frailty; a slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass from Eelektross, Probopass, and or Musharna is quite useful to compensate for that.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Seed Bomb
    move 3: Acrobatics
    move 4: Low Kick / Endeavor
    item: Flying Gem
    ability: Overgrow
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Simisage can opt to go fully physically offensive in order to lure and KO many normal checks, and can serve as a decent wallbreaker due to its good Attack and wide array of coverage moves. Substitute shields Simisage from status and revenge killing, and can also help to ensure that Simisage gets safely into Overgrow range. Simisage's Grass-type STAB is a major selling point to this set, serving as a weapon against physically defensive titans such as Alomomola and Regirock. Acrobatics is an interesting coverage move that allows Simisage to lure and defeat Tangela, Vileplume, and Roselia, common checks to its other sets. It also has the added benefit of hitting Bug-types such as Scolipede for super effective damage. Low Kick is the preferred move in the last slot, providing coverage against Steel-types, Lickilicky, and Regice. Endeavor, on the other hand, is a more colorful option to be considered, being able to bring an opponent down to 1 HP after four uses of Substitute. Endeavor is a bit trickier to pull off, however, making Low Kick the superior option most of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>8 HP EVs are used to allow Simisage to make four Substitutes from full health, while the rest maximizes Speed and powerjs. Hone Claws can be used to allow Simisage to boost its Attack, but Simisage would prefer to straightaway attack than boost up, especially considering its limited lifespan. Rock Slide can hit Fire- and Flying-types while still covering Bug-types, but Acrobatics generally hits these Pokemon hard enough. Toxic Spikes support is incredibly useful in helping Simisage break down walls; because of this, Scolipede and Garbodor make for fine partners as they can set them up. Pokemon such as Swellow appreciate Simisage's ability to break down walls, and can efficiently clean up once said walls have either been weakened or removed. Simisage struggles quite a bit against bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk; Choice Scarf Jynx can threaten them out with Psychic, and appreciates Simisage's wallbreaking services as well. Piloswine can also take on most Poison-types with ease, and can set up Stealth Rock while sharing solid offensive and defensive synergy with Simisage. Finally, slow Volt Switch or Baton Pass support from Eelektross, Probopass, and or Musharna is greatly appreciated to allow Simisage to enter the field safely.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Nasty Plot
    move 1: Nasty Plot
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Focus Blast / Substitute
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Life Orb / Salac Berry
    ability: Gluttony
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Simisage does face a lot of competition from Serperior in the role of a boosting sweeper, its higher Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot set it apart. Simisage also boosts significantly faster than Serperior, meaning it can deal much more damage after a single boost. Unfortunately, Simisage's frailty can often make it difficult to obtain a boost, but it can still find setup opportunities against Pokemon it threatens out. Giga Drain serves as a reasonably strong STAB move, and is useful for healing off Life Orb recoil. Focus Blast attains coverage against Steel-types and Sap Sipper Pokemon, and is especially handy for crushing most special walls&mdash;after a Nasty Plot boost and Stealth Rock, even Lickilicky and Regice are OHKOed! On the other hand, Substitute can be used for more conservative boosting, allowing you to set up more freely against the likes of Alomomola and Seismitoad. It should be noted that Focus Blast works better with Life Orb, but Substitute works better with Salac Berry. Finally, the last slot is reserved for Hidden Power Rock, attaining coverage on Charizard, Braviary, and Scolipede.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Gluttony is used on this set because Nasty Plot is illegal with Overgrow, despite the fact that it is only useful on variants running Salac Berry. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Metang harder than any other move, but coverage against Charizard is too important to pass up. Simisage boasts incredible power if it manages to get a boost&mdash;the only problem is actually getting that boost, as Simisage's frailty often denies it many setup opportunities. Because of this, dual screens or Memento support is extremely useful to allow Simisage to set up; Gardevoir and Muk make great partners in this regard. Stealth Rock support is appreciated to allow Simisage to OHKO Regice and Mandibuzz after a boost with Focus Blast and Hidden Power Rock, respectively. Ground-types can set up Stealth Rock, lure in Water-types for Simisage, and can threaten bulky Poison-types and Metang with their STABs. Charizard is another good partner, being able to crush Grass / Poison-(remove hyphen)types such as Roselia and Vileplume, and also lure out bulky Water-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Simisage can use a mixed set utilizing Hone Claws alongside moves such as Seed Bomb, Focus Blast, and Acrobatics;, however, Nasty Plot is a better boosting move. In a similar vein, Work Up can boost both of Simisage's offenses, but Nasty Plot is still superior. Leaf Storm is Simisage's strongest (STAB?)attack, and can be used alongside Choice Specs to make Simisage a powerful wallbreaker. However, the -2 Special Attack drop is undesirable, and Life Orb makes Simisage more versatile. Simisage hits a valuable Speed tier at base 101, making a Choice Scarf set seem plausible. Unfortunately, all of Simisage's moves are either too weak or terrible to be locked into. Taunt can make Simisage a decent anti-lead, but it is too frail to make good use of the move, and is outclassed by Serperior in this role. Leech Seed can sap away at the opponent's health, while Acrobatics can deal with opposing Grass-types;, however, it has far better things to be doing and is too frail to use it efficiently. Bullet Seed can break Sturdy from the likes of Golem; unfortunately, it is illegal with Overgrow. Finally, Grasswhistle can potentially neuter a counter for the rest of the match, but is too inaccurate to be worth using.</p>
    (about the semicolons above, I feel it works a lot better with semicolon as it's consistent with wherever you've put a semicolon before however elsewhere) and it's also more correct!
    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Simisage is hard to directly counter due to its high Speed and vast array of coverage moves; however, checking it is a much simpler task. Bulky Poison-types such as Garbodor and Muk are the best answers, as they are not weak to any of Simisage's moves and can OHKO in return with their STABs. In a similar boat,vein? Metang can comfortably tank anything Simisage throws at it and can dent it with Meteor Mash. Dragonair, although rare, can take Simisage's hits for days and set up with Dragon Dance. Faster Pokemon can also get the jump on Simisage; due to its general frailty, most neutral hits will leave a large dent, if not OHKO. Scolipede can switch in on Simisage's Grass-type moves and OHKO with Megahorn. Choice Scarf users such as Jynx, Primeape, and Charizard can also revenge kill it, though they sometimes have difficulty switching in. Swellow also dislikes switching in (even against Grass-type moves), but can crush Simisage with Brave Bird. Finally, priority is effective at revenge killing a weakened Simisage, examples being Kangaskhan's Fake Out and Sucker Punch combination and Gurdurr's Mach Punch.</p>

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    was good amcheck :o
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