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Skarmory (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Colonel M, May 1, 2011.

  1. Colonel M

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    Skarmory

    [Overview]

    <p>Skarmory takes flight once more to block almost every physical hit thrown at it. Steel / Flying is an awesome type combination that only has two crippling weaknesses. Sturdy has received a nice buff that allows Skarmory to take a fatal hit if it's at full health. Finally, no other wall packs a recovery move, access to Spikes and Stealth Rock, a phazing move, and a unique typing like Skarmory. The metagame may have slowly geared itself towards special attackers such as Thundurus and Reuniclus and some physical attackers have acquired new ways to get around Skarmory, but it still gets the job done.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physically Defensive
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Tried and true, this still stands as Skarmory's best set. After Skarmory makes its presence known out on the battlefield, the opponent will likely run away scared of the metal bird's superb Defense. Skarmory should lay Spikes to force the opponent to make a rather painful decision when switching in and out of the battlefield. Using Roost can wear out Life Orb users such as Metagross and Gyarados while keeping Skarmory up-to-shape for the next assault. Whirlwind is great against Pokemon such as Bulk Up Conkeldurr or merely shuffling for extra damage from the opponent landing on Spikes. Brave Bird ties it all together nicely with it being a high Base Power STAB move that handles threats nicely; especially Fighting-types such as Machamp and Scrafty. If you're deathly afraid of being set up on by Wobbuffet or want to prevent other Pokemon from setting up, Taunt may be a superior choice over Brave Bird to use on Skarmory.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>24 Speed EVs is the minimum Speed Skarmory needs to outspeed max Speed Wobbuffet. This allows Skarmory to Taunt Wobbuffet before it uses Encore or, at worst, use Spikes since its a move that can afford to have its PP burned out. Leftovers is the preferred item to give Skarmory recovery on the side while keeping it closer to full health. If being trapped by Magnezone or Wobbuffet is an issue, Shed Shell can provide assurance that Skarmory will never be in such a dangerous situation.</p>

    <p>The pink blobs, Blissey or Chansey, make great partners for Skarmory; they take special attackers like a champ and can cripple Pokemon with Toxic or Thunder Wave. Having access to Aromatherapy helps in situations when Skarmory is put to sleep or burned. Wish can help Skarmory stay at full health at all times, which makes it very annoying with Sturdy guaranteeing a 2HKO at best each time. While Jellicent does attract Electric-type moves, it's a great partner to have thanks to its awesome typing; it takes on Fire-types such as Heatran and Infernape nicely while using Will-O-Wisp to help Skarmory take on physical threats better. Gliscor is a cool partner since it can switch into most Fighting-types with relative ease and is one of the better ways to take down Excadrill. Provided that another Pokemon sets up Spikes, Skarmory can opt to use both Brave Bird and Taunt. Deoxys-S or Scolipede can lay Spikes thanks to their high Speed and access to Taunt. Additional indirect damage from Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, or sandstorm works great alongside Spikes.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    nature: Careful
    ability: Sturdy
    evs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Since Skarmory's base Defense is naturally quite high, this EV spread buffers its weaker Special Defense. Physical sweepers can still be checked despite the loss of physical bulk, but 2HKOs are a bit more prevalent. The set is meant to work around bulky Water-types, but it works well against Choice users that are locked onto a resisted attack aswell. Simply come in like usual, set up Spikes or Roost to recover lost health, and use Skarmory's other moves whenever necessary. Be careful when using Brave Bird on this set, as bulky Water-types sometimes use Scald to induce a burn on the opponent. Taunt variants won’t mind it much aside from the health loss, but a weakened Brave Bird makes it harder to kill some physical sweepers.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>This setisn't as vulnerable to bulky Water-types or special attackers in general, but Blissey or Chansey are still great teammates for Skarmory. Ghost-types such as Jellicent are still recommended to keep entry hazards on the field. Gliscor is more synergistic with this set; especially if you fore go a Ghost-type, since Fighting-types will do quite a bit more damage to Skarmory. For example, after a Bulk Up, Conkeldurr can threaten to 2HKO Skarmory with Drain Punch.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Stealth Rock can replace Spikes if you want Skarmory to set up as quickly as possible. Drill Peck can replace Brave Bird if the recoil turns you off. Toxic helps Skarmory eliminate threats and works well against certain Pokemon such as Wobbuffet, Politoed, and Jellicent switch-ins. Don't bother with any stat-up moves; Skarmory is already vulnerable to Taunt and lacks the movepool to use them effectively anyway.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Any Skarmory without Shed Shell loses to Magnezone. The most Skarmory can do is try to Whirlwind and pray that Magnezone uses Substitute instead of zapping to death with STAB Thunderbolt. Wobbuffet isn't a big fan of Taunt, but it can Encore Spikes and Tickle Skarmory to death; after 6 Tickles, Skarmory takes 75.4% - 88.9% if it tries switching out from Choice Band Tyranitar's Pursuit. Specially defensive variants of Skarmory might as well kiss their tin asses goodbye. Zapdos is completely immune to Spikes, packs STAB Thunderbolt, can heal itself with Roost, and even counter-phaze if necessary with Roar. Rotom-W has Will-O-Wisp and STAB Thunderbolt going against Skarmory while not taking passive damage from Spikes thanks to Levitate. Thundurus is a huge threat to Skarmory. If the Skarmory player is unlucky, its team might have to face a +2 Thundurus, which is almost complete annihilation if there isn't anything to outspeed and KO it. If it doesn't, there's always Taunt and Thunder Wave to make Skarmory fret. Though paralysis is minor in some cases, a 25% chance of a lock-up sucks. Furthermore, the Speed drop can force you to lose against Choice Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge. Heatran hates Spikes, but it can shut down the process with Taunt and singe the metal birdie with STAB Fire Blast. Other Taunt users such as Gliscor can be a headache for Skarmory, since a Taunted Skarmory can be easily forced out.</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p>Skarmory obtains Breakable Armor as a Dream World ability. It's pretty counterproductive, though, when the main point of using Skarmory is for its Defense. Stick with Sturdy.</p>
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    Removals in red
    Comments in bold red

    [Overview]

    <p>Skarmory takes flight once more to block almost every physical hit thrown at it. Steel / Flying is an awesome typing combination that only has two crippling weaknesses. Sturdy has received a nice buff that allows Skarmory to take a fatal hit if it's at full health. Finally, no other wall packs a recovery move, access to Spikes and Stealth Rock, a phazing move, and a unique typing like Skarmory. The metagame may have slowly geared itself towards special attackers such as Thundurus and Reuniclus and some physical attackers have acquired new ways to get around Skarmory, but it still gets the job done.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physically Defensive
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Tried and true, this still stands as Skarmory's (bad, bad curly apostrophe >=[) best set. After Skarmory makes its presence known out on the battlefield, the opponent will likely run away scared of the metal bird's superb Defense. Skarmory should lay Spikes to force the opponent to make a rather painful decision when switching in and out of the battlefield. Using Roost can wear out Life Orb users such as Metagross and Gyarados while keeping Skarmory up-to-shape for the next assault. Whirlwind is great against Pokemon such as Bulk Up Conkeldurr or merely shuffling for extra damage from the opponent landing on Spikes. Brave Bird ties it all together nicely with it being a high Base Power STAB move that handles threats nicely; especially Fighting-types such as Machamp and Scrafty. If you're deathly afraid of being set up on by Wobbuffet or want to prevent other Pokemon from setting up, Taunt may be a good move to use on Skarmory.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>24 Speed EVs is the minimum Speed Skarmory needs to outspeed max Speed Wobbuffet. This allows Skarmory to Taunt Wobbuffet before it uses Encore or, at worst, use Spikes since its a move that can afford to have its PP burned out. Leftovers is the preferred item to give Skarmory recovery on the side while keeping it closer to full health. If you’re deathly afraid of being trapped by Magnezone or Wobbuffet, Shed Shell can provide assurance that Skarmory will never be in such a dangerous situation.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>The pink blobs, Blissey or Chansey, make a great partners for Skarmory; they take any special attackers on like a champ and can cripple Pokemon with Toxic or Thunder Wave. Having access to Aromatherapy helps in situations when Skarmory is put to sleep or burned. Wish can help Skarmory stay at full health at all times, which makes it very annoying with Sturdy guaranteeing a 2HKO at best each time. While Jellicent does attract Electric-type moves, it's a great partner to have thanks to its awesome Ghost-typing; it takes on Fire-types such as Heatran and Infernape nicely while using Will-O-Wisp to help Skarmory take on physical threats better. Gliscor is a cool partner since it can switch into most Fighting-types with relative ease and is one of the better ways to take down Excadrill. Be wary of Hidden Power Ice and Ice Punch. Provided that another Pokemon sets up Spikes, Skarmory can opt to use both Brave Bird and Taunt. Deoxys-S or Scolipede can lay Spikes thanks to their high Speed and access to Taunt. Additional indirect damage from Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, or sandstorm works great alongside Spikes.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    nature: Careful
    ability: Sturdy
    evs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Since Skarmory's base Defense is naturally quite high, this EV spread buffers its weaker Special Defense. Physical sweepers can still be checked despite the loss of physical bulk, but 2HKOes are a bit more prevalent. The set is meant to work around bulky Water-types, but it works well against Choice users that are locked onto a resisted attack as well. Simply come in like usual, set up Spikes or Roost to recover lost health, and use Skarmory's other moves whenever necessary. Be careful when using Brave Bird on this set as bulky Water-types sometimes use Scald to induce a burn on the opponent. Taunt variants won’t mind it much aside from the health loss, but a weakened Brave Bird makes it harder to kill some physical sweepers when its damage is halved.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>Most of the Additional Comments from the first set apply here as well. This set isn't as vulnerable to bulky Water-types or special attackers in general, but keep in mind Blissey or Chansey is still a great teammate for Skarmory. Ghost-types such as Jellicent are still recommended to keep entry hazards on the field. Gliscor is almost emphasized with this set; especially if you forego a Ghost-type, since Fighting-types will do quite a bit more damage to Skarmory than they would against the first set. For example, after a Bulk Up, Conkeldurr can threaten to 2HKO Skarmory.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Stealth Rock can replace Spikes if you want Skarmory to set up as quickly as possible. Drill Peck can replace Brave Bird if the recoil turns you off. Toxic helps Skarmory eliminate threats and works well against certain Pokemon such as Wobbuffet and Zapdos switch-ins. Don't bother with any stat-up moves; Skarmory is already vulnerable to Taunt and it lacks the movepool to use them effectively anyway.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Any Skarmory without Shed Shell loses to Magnezone. The most Skarmory can do is try to Whirlwind and pray that Magnezone uses Substitute instead of zapping Skarmory to death with STAB Thunderbolt. Wobbuffet isn't a big fan of Taunt, but it can Encore Spikes and Tickle Skarmory to death; after 6 Tickles, Skarmory takes 75.4% - 88.9% if it tries switching out from Choice Band Tyranitar's Pursuit. Specially defensive variants of Skarmory might as well kiss their tin asses goodbye. Zapdos is completely immune to Spikes, packs STAB Thunderbolt, can heal itself with Roost, and even counter-phaze if necessary with Roar. Rotom-W has Will-O-Wisp and STAB Thunderbolt going against Skarmory while not taking passive damage from Spikes thanks to Levitate. Thundurus is a huge threat to Skarmory. If the Skarmory player is unlucky, its team might have to face a +2 Thundurus, which is almost complete annihilation if there isn't anything to outspeed and KO it. If it doesn't, there's always Taunt and Thunder Wave to make Skarmory fret. Though paralysis is minor in some cases, a 25% chance of a lock-up sucks. Furthermore, the Speed drop can force you to lose against Choice Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge. Heatran hates Spikes, but it can shut down the Spiking process with Taunt and singe the metal birdie with STAB Fire Blast. Other Taunt users such as Gliscor can be a headache for Skarmory since a Taunted Skarmory can be easily forced out with only Brave Bird as its attacking move.</p>


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  3. NatGeo

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    Needs a Dream World section. Breakable armor is not exactly good on skarmoy, but it needs to be mentioned.
  4. Super Mario Bro

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    Is there any reason Impish isn't slashed on the specially defensive set? Skarmory's base physical defense is so much higher than its special defense, which would make boosting its defense with Impish yield higher stats in the end.

    252/232 Careful: 316 Def + 257 SpD = 573
    252/232 Impish: 347 Def + 234 SpD = 581 -- +8

    Plus, a Careful nature just undermines Skarmory's role as the premier sand wall of this gen. Even with little to no EVs in physical defense, Impish Skarmory does a great job at walling things like Rock Polish Landorus and Excadrill.
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    Seconding Super Mario Bro ive found that 252 HP/136 def/96 spD/24 speed Impish allows you to comfortably wall Excadrill and Fire Blasting Garchomp as well as survive 2 Specs Meteors from Latios if you need it to. It won't the assualt from Latios after SR but it's nice to have SOME special defense to fall back on as its defense at this point is plenty and the little EV investment makes a significant impact on its ability to shrug off weaker special hits.
  6. Colonel M

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    K, ready for the second one now Calm Pokemaster.
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    [Overview]
    [SET]
    name: Physically Defensive

    Brave Bird ties it all together nicely with it, being a high Base Power STAB move that handles threats nicely, especially Fighting-types such as Machamp and Scrafty. If you're deathly afraid of being set up on by Wobbuffet or want to prevent other Pokemon from setting up, Taunt may be a superior choice over Brave Bird. good move to use on Skarmory.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>24 Speed EVs is the minimum Speed Skarmory needs to outspeed max Speed Wobbuffet. Does any Wobb run max Speed? Can Wobb do its job by not investing fully in its defenses?

    <p>The pink blobs, Blissey or Chansey, make great partners for Skarmory; they take special attackers on like a champ and can cripple Pokemon with Toxic or Thunder Wave.

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive

    Physical sweepers can still be checked despite the loss of physical bulk, but 2HKOes are a bit more prevalent. Like what? What 2HKOs this set as opposed to the Physical set? The set is meant to work around bulky Water-types, but it works well against Choice users that are locked onto a resisted attack as well.

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>This set isn't as vulnerable to bulky Water-types or special attackers in general, but Blissey or Chansey are is still a great teammates for Skarmory. Ghost-types such as Jellicent are still recommended to keep entry hazards on the field. Gliscor synergizes better is almost emphasized with this set, especially if you forego a Ghost-type, since Fighting-types will do quite a bit more damage to Skarmory. For example, after a Bulk Up, Conkeldurr can threaten to 2HKO Skarmory. With Drain Punch, I assume?

    [Other Options]
    Toxic helps Skarmory eliminate threats and works well against certain Pokemon such as Wobbuffet and Zapdos switch-ins. Both these dudes are UU, so Jellicent and ... Politoed (?), could replace them. Granted, this is just opinion, of course.

    [Checks and Counters]
    Wobbuffet isn't a big fan of Taunt, but it can Encore Spikes and Tickle Skarmory to death; after 6 Tickles, Skarmory takes 75.4% - 88.9% if it tries switching out from Choice Band Tyranitar's Pursuit. If the Skarmory player is unlucky, its team might have to face a +2 Thundurus, which is almost complete annihilation if there isn't anything to outspeed and KO it. Heatran hates Spikes, but it can shut down the process with Taunt and singe the metal birdie with STAB Fire Blast.

    Hope I helped.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Skarmory takes flight once more to block almost every physical hit thrown at it. Steel / Flying is an awesome type combination that only has two crippling weaknesses. Sturdy has received a nice buff that allows Skarmory to take a fatal hit if it's at full health. Finally, no other wall packs a recovery move, access to Spikes and Stealth Rock, a phazing move, and a unique typing like Skarmory. The metagame may have slowly geared itself towards special attackers such as Thundurus and Reuniclus and some physical attackers have acquired new ways to get around Skarmory, but it still gets the job done.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physically Defensive
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Tried and true, this still stands as Skarmory's best set. After Skarmory makes its presence known out on the battlefield, the opponent will likely run away scared of the metal bird's superb Defense. Skarmory should lay Spikes to force the opponent to make a rather painful decision when switching in and out of the battlefield. Using Roost can wear out Life Orb users such as Metagross and Gyarados while keeping Skarmory up-to-shape for the next assault. Whirlwind is great against Pokemon such as Bulk Up Conkeldurr or merely shuffling for extra damage from the opponent landing on Spikes. Brave Bird ties it all together nicely with it being a high Base Power STAB move that handles threats nicely; especially Fighting-types such as Machamp and Scrafty. If you're deathly afraid of being set up on by Wobbuffet or want to prevent other Pokemon from setting up, Taunt may be a good move to use on Skarmory.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>24 Speed EVs is the minimum Speed Skarmory needs to outspeed max Speed Wobbuffet. This allows Skarmory to Taunt Wobbuffet before it uses Encore or, at worst, use Spikes since its a move that can afford to have its PP burned out. Leftovers is the preferred item to give Skarmory recovery on the side while keeping it closer to full health. If you’re deathly afraid of being trapped by Magnezone or Wobbuffet is an issue, (since you already said the same "deathly afraid etc" earlier, I have changed this to avoid repetition) Shed Shell can provide assurance that Skarmory will never be in such a dangerous situation.</p>

    <p>The pink blobs, Blissey or Chansey, make great partners for Skarmory; they take special attackers on like a champ and can cripple Pokemon with Toxic or Thunder Wave. Having access to Aromatherapy helps in situations when Skarmory is put to sleep or burned. Wish can help Skarmory stay at full health at all times, which makes it very annoying with Sturdy guaranteeing a 2HKO at best each time. While Jellicent does attract Electric-type moves, it's a great partner to have thanks to its awesome typing; it takes on Fire-types such as Heatran and Infernape nicely while using Will-O-Wisp to help Skarmory take on physical threats better. Gliscor is a cool partner since it can switch into most Fighting-types with relative ease and is one of the better ways to take down Excadrill. Provided that another Pokemon sets up Spikes, Skarmory can opt to use both Brave Bird and Taunt. Deoxys-S or Scolipede can lay Spikes thanks to their high Speed and access to Taunt. Additional indirect damage from Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, or sandstorm works great alongside Spikes.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Whirlwind
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    nature: Careful
    ability: Sturdy
    evs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Since Skarmory's base Defense is naturally quite high, this EV spread buffers its weaker Special Defense. Physical sweepers can still be checked despite the loss of physical bulk, but 2HKOes are a bit more prevalent. The set is meant to work around bulky Water-types, but it works well against Choice users that are locked onto a resisted attack as well. Simply come in like usual, set up Spikes or Roost to recover lost health, and use Skarmory's other moves whenever necessary. Be careful when using Brave Bird on this set, as bulky Water-types sometimes use Scald to induce a burn on the opponent. Taunt variants won’t mind it much aside from the health loss, but a weakened Brave Bird makes it harder to kill some physical sweepers.</p>

    [Additional Comments]
    <p>This set isn't as vulnerable to bulky Water-types or special attackers in general, but Blissey or Chansey is still a great teammate for Skarmory. Ghost-types such as Jellicent are still recommended to keep entry hazards on the field. Gliscor is almost emphasized with this set; especially if you forego a Ghost-type, since Fighting-types will do quite a bit more damage to Skarmory. For example, after a Bulk Up, Conkeldurr can threaten to 2HKO Skarmory.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Stealth Rock can replace Spikes if you want Skarmory to set up as quickly as possible. Drill Peck can replace Brave Bird if the recoil turns you off. Toxic helps Skarmory eliminate threats and works well against certain Pokemon such as Wobbuffet and Zapdos switch-ins. Don't bother with any stat-up moves; Skarmory is already vulnerable to Taunt and it lacks the movepool to use them effectively anyway.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Any Skarmory without Shed Shell loses to Magnezone. The most Skarmory can do is try to Whirlwind and pray that Magnezone uses Substitute instead of zapping Skarmory it to death with STAB Thunderbolt. Wobbuffet isn't a big fan of Taunt, but it can Encore Spikes and Tickle Skarmory to death; after 6 Tickles, Skarmory takes 75.4% - 88.9% if it tries switching out from Choice Band Tyranitar's Pursuit. Specially defensive variants of Skarmory might as well kiss their tin asses goodbye. Zapdos is completely immune to Spikes, packs STAB Thunderbolt, can heal itself with Roost, and even counter-phaze if necessary with Roar. Rotom-W has Will-O-Wisp and STAB Thunderbolt going against Skarmory while not taking passive damage from Spikes thanks to Levitate. Thundurus is a huge threat to Skarmory. If the Skarmory player is unlucky, its team might have to face a +2 Thundurus, which is almost complete annihilation if there isn't anything to outspeed and KO it. If it doesn't, there's always Taunt and Thunder Wave to make Skarmory fret. Though paralysis is minor in some cases, a 25% chance of a lock-up sucks. Furthermore, the Speed drop can force you to lose against Choice Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge. Heatran hates Spikes, but it can shut down the process with Taunt and singe the metal birdie with STAB Fire Blast. Other Taunt users such as Gliscor can be a headache for Skarmory, since a Taunted Skarmory can be easily forced out.</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p>Skarmory obtains Breakable Armor as a Dream World ability. It's pretty counterproductive, though, when the main point of using Skarmory is for its Defense. Stick with Sturdy.</p>


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  9. AsynchronousIO

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    Just a small thing: If I'm not mistaken, the official English translation of Breakable Armor is Weak Armor.
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    It's missing a space. There also is a blue comma in the Checks and Counters section (near the end) and like the previous poster said, the official translation is Weak Armor. Terrific analysis, btw
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    The 24 EVs has gotta be speed creep. Wob isn't even OU, and putting 24 on the analysis will make every pokemon that tries to beat skarmory need to add an extra 24 EVs (jellicent for example). Creep Creep Creep!
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    wobbs will soon be uber with the encore glitch fix; I second removing the speed.
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    End of Additional Comments Section of first set: Scolipede doesn't get Taunt. Maybe rephrase as "Deoxys-S or Scolipede can lay Spikes thanks to their high Speed and the former's access to Taunt."
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    politoed is also a great partner. If it is raining, Skarmory walls a lot of physical and mixed attackers that use fire blast or fire punch such as DD dragonite, salamence, hydreigon and garchomp (some people use fire blast garchomp!!), and also walls some special attackers that use HP Fire such as serperior or nasty plot celebi
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    Hello all. I was wondering if it would in any way be worth it to ever run Sky Drop over Brave Bird. I see a lot of potential in Sky Drop if used in conjunction with Toxic, but it leaves you completely helpless against substitutes. Your thoughts?
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    here are two spacing errors
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    Why? If Skarmory stays in on Tyranitar, it can easily outheal with Roost and then Whirlwind Tyranitar out, right?
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    Why would you run 24 Spe ev's to outrun something that is only used in like 1 out of 200 battles? Not to mention that you'll alow your opponent to get down 3 layers of Spikes. You know i'd gladly give my opponent a free turn of set up if i can bring down all these layers for free.

    Not to mention that the old strategy that IPL used to do, PP stalling a wall to death by using Encore, no longer works. Encore will run out of PP before it can stall out a move with 32 PP.

    Like Raikoulover said, the only thing your addition of speed ev's does is bringing more speed creep to the table.
  19. PhoenixM

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    Well, it really comes down to prediction. If you stay in and they use pursuit, there's a very good chance to roost stall and whirlwind them away. However, if they predict you to stay in expecting the pursuit, then an impish 252/252 Skarmory takes 93.1%-109.6% damage from a Adamant 252 Choice Band Tyranitar's Stone Edge after using Roost. If you happen to survive, then Skarmory will be killed next switch in to rocks if they are up or will be death fodder for later in the match. It really depends on how the dice land.
  20. PI-Dimension

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    Breloom hits a poison heal number at 236 hp, making bulky variants run 20 speed, so 24 speed beats those breloom too, which is pretty important seeing how you can hit it for 4x supereffective before the spore in a pinch
  21. Porii Sames

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    Counter-Skarm should at least be mentioned.

    [SET]
    name: Counter
    move 1: Roost
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Counter
    move 4: Brave Bird / Taunt
    item: Leftovers / Shed Shell
    ability: Sturdy
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe

    With Counter, you are able to actually defeat physical threats instead of just "getting them out" and hoping something faster doesn't come in on you. With Sturdy, no matter how strong the hit is, you'll always live.
  22. stealthrocker99

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    I was wondering if some good Pokemon to team with Skarmory are Dusclops, because Skarmory resists ghost and dark dusclops weaknesses, and then a Tyranitar to cover Skarmory's fire and electric since earthquake and rock slide could take those two out and he resists those.
  23. Porii Sames

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    You don't really build your team around Skarm; you build Skarm around your team. If your team needs a good physical wall and Excadrill counter in addition to enrty hazards, then go Skarm.
  24. smashlloyd20

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    From AC:

    This allows Skarmory to Taunt Wobbuffet before it uses Encore or, at worst, use Spikes since it's a move that can afford to have its PP burned out.

    Add the apostrophe into the first 'its'.
  25. yee

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    Super Mario Bro brought up a good idea, tuning Skarmory's HP stat so that after 2 turns of lefties recovery you will have activated Sturdy again after taking Stealth Rock damage. The highest amount of HP EVs you can have while allowing this to happen is 224. The loss of 7 HP total seems less significant than having Sturdy to fall back on in case of emergency.

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