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Slowmons: Macho, Macho, man!

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by erisia, May 9, 2013.

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  1. Champion Steve

    Champion Steve

    Nov 18, 2012
    Registeel is probably the best of the three since the other two are just asking for Escavalier or Ferrothorn to come in and counter them.
    As for Ferro itself, I agree that a ban would be premature. Like erisia said, it gets walled by a few things and so shouldn't sweep through prepared teams.
  2. Eevee General

    Eevee General goku: im not really a fan of eevee general
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    Other Metas General

    Nov 18, 2009
    It might not be too popular, but what about Cacturne?
    It's not as slow-fast, but has STAB Sucker Punch and with Water Absorb it stands a good chance at handling the Slowbrothers and Quagsire.
    Sadly it can't raise its Speed with Curse or Hammer Arm so it's easily outsped and thwarted by Calm Mind/Slack Off vs Sucker Punch. That's why you slap it with Seed Bomb!
  3. Snaquaza

    Snaquaza tree ghost
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    Apr 7, 2013
    You can use a decent trapper trio here:
    1. Magnezone
    2. Wobbuffet
    3. Trapinch
  4. doughboy

    doughboy backhand slap ready
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    Sep 4, 2011
    I am surprised no one has posted about Trapinch yet other than you Snaquaza. Just from pure theorymon, it seems like it can become one of, if not THE BEST, Pokemon in the tier. Let's take a look at this bad boy.
    HP: 45
    Atk: 100
    Def: 45
    SpA: 45
    SpD: 45
    Spe: 10

    Meet Dugtrio 2.0. Choice Band Trapinch is not tearing any holes in the tier any time soon, but man oh man is it "fast". Base 10 Speed makes it the fastest offensive threat in the tier, really fast. To put it into perspective on how slow it is assuming Trapinch uses 0 Spe IV's and a Brave Nature., base 25 Pokemon with Macho Brace will be unable to outspeed the mighty Trapinch. Only Macho Brace Escalvilier and Ferrothorn will be able to do so.

    Trapinch can abuse that great speed of his to become the premier revenge killer in the tier with Arena Trap. With a positive attack nature, our Trapinch will have 69 more attack than OU's neutral-nature Dugtrio. Trapinch's power is further augmented by easy access to a Choice Band (since it is so fast) to reach a smexy 492 Attack (along with a Great-STAB EQ).

    So what are Trapinch's problem? In a metagame where Pokemon can effortlessly add on bulk, Trapinch's power is less than stellar. This is further compounded by the high usage of Curse users, who gain the Speed advantage if they decide to use Macho Brace and a +1 Defense boost. Trapinch can sort of counter-act this by running a Macho Brace himself (at this point not even non-Macho Brace minimmum speed SHUCKLE can outrun you) and that most Curse users are Rock-type or Steel type. Trapinch also can not adopt any meaningful bulk himself, so you can only be used on revenge kills or risky double switches.

    CB Trapper:
    Trapinch (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def (0 Spe IV)
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Crunch
    - Superpower / Quick Attack

    His movepool is also pitifully small, but just precise enough to counteract some of the tiers top threats. STAB EQ is Trapinch's staple move, hitting the largest variety of targets as hard as possible as well as getting those nasty Rock-type Curse users. Rock Slide for general coverage. Crunch can be used to nail some Psychic and Ghost-types, but remember it just barely edges out over EQ in base power (150 BP STAB EQ vs 160 BP 2x Super-effective Crunch). Superpower can be used to nail other Steel-types such as Ferrothorn harder. You can also try Quick Attack for priority if you feel that your Trapinch might get outsped by certain Macho Brace Cursers, but it is pretty medicore.
  5. erisia

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    Nov 29, 2011
    Bumping because I'm back from the dead (exams) and I'll be able to look after the metagame more thoroughly and provide some discussion. I'll be on Joim's server if anyone wants any games!
  6. Heroes and Cons

    Heroes and Cons

    Jan 21, 2012
    Reuniclus is basicalyl a slightly weaker Mewtwo now, with similar bulk to the Uber (but making better use of it in the weaker OU metagame). With Magic guard, a speed stat outslowed only by Escavalier, Shuckle and Ferrothorn (among fully evolved pokemon), Calm Mind and perfect coverage... holy shit this thing tears crap to pieces.

    Also, I like the look of Trapinch, it has higher attack than Dugtrio and is faster in slowmons than Dugtrio is in OU.

    Wobbuffet seems much more viable now, since there's a LOT less Pokemon that outspeed it now. Or use Wynaut, with its base 23 speed, Encore and Destiny Bond, for a laugh.
  7. Gerard


    Feb 16, 2011
    Torkoal is an amazing spinner, being able to outspeed everything without the need of a Macho Brace and being a great check for Ferrothorn & Escavalier along with setting SR itself and being difficult to switch into thanks to Lava Plume, it's a really cool mon
  8. RoyIII


    Oct 23, 2010
    I could see a bulky Porygon2 with Eviolite and Analytic being an absolute terror. Base 60 speed won't outslow much at all, allowing it to take advantage of that tasty 30% increase in power.
  9. sparktrain

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    Apr 29, 2013
    How about Trick Room in a Trick Room meta?

    Jirachi @ Air Balloon/Life Orb
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Trick Room
    - Iron Head
    - Fire Punch
    - U-turn

    Air Balloon is preferred to allow more switch-in opportunities as well as temporarily patching up his notable ground weakness, however Life Orb can also be used for more power and less reliance on flinch hax. The set itself is pretty self explanatory; tank a hit, set up Trick Room, and attack. Iron Head is especially useful in this meta, considering all the slow rock-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage against Ferrothorn, Escavalier, and other steel-types. U-turn is in the final slot to switch out of unfavorable match-ups or to bring in another fast pokemon, as well as being the best option against Slowking/Slowbro.
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  10. Non-Guest 31415

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    Jul 20, 2013
    I know little to nothing about how this works, but my first thought when I saw this thread was: "Finally, Trick Room on Deoxys-S has a USE!". Probably a horrid set here as well, but just thought of it.
  11. NickFusi0n


    Jan 6, 2014
    Two words... Mega Ampharos. That thing is a freaking monster with 30 base Spe, 165 base SpA and a nice 90/105/110 bulk plus Mold Breaker and an Electric/Dragon typing.
  12. Arcticblast

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    Don't bump threads that are super old.

    Also Mega Ampharos has base 45 Speed...
  13. Michael91


    Jul 16, 2012
    I don't think megas are very strong in this metagame since they can't carry macho brace.
  14. Kingpoleon


    Feb 7, 2014
    Escavalier got a huge buff with AV this gen. how about a:

    Escavalier@ Assault Vest
    252 Atk/ 252 HP / 4 SpDef
    - Megahorn
    - Iron Head
    - Knock Off
    - Drill Run
    4 huge buffs:
    1. Steel now is a better offensive typing.
    2. Knock Off got buffed.
    3. Escavalier gets Drill Run now.
    4. Overcoat got buffed. Immunity to Spore and Hail is pretty good.
  15. Millky95


    Aug 7, 2013
    People seem to have forgotten the king of Hail...

    Mega Abomoasnow
    90 / 132 / 105 / 132 / 105 / 30
    With 100% Blizzard, this guy will destroy so much. Shouldn't need Macho Brace to be to be slow with a -speed nature
  16. C AllStar

    C AllStar

    Nov 20, 2012
    This set seems quite insane on Ferrothorn.

    Ferrothorn @ Normal Gem
    Trait : Iron Barbs
    EVs : 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs : 0 Spd
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Explosion
    - filler

    Basically, it is the Deo-S on Slowmons. Lead with it and set up as much hazards as possible. When opposing spinners or defoggers come in, smack them hard with a Normal Gem Explosion. From then on, the opponent can no longer remove hazards unless you don't have something to outspeed and OHKO the opposing seriously damaged hazard remover or them have a backup one. While it lacks Taunt, a crucial move on Deoxys, its great bulk and typing more than compensates for it while a fast Explosion is the best anti-spin/defog move possible. If Ferrothorn is deemed broken, this set should be a major factor of its brokeness.
  17. Michael91


    Jul 16, 2012
    But everything runs a -speed nature. Even Tyranitar can outslow Mega Abomosnow if it carries macho brace. Mega Abomoasnow won't be outslowing very much at all. Macho brace pretty much defines this metagame since it "boosts" speed twice as much as choice scarf without the locked moveset.
  18. Millky95


    Aug 7, 2013
    Makes KNock Off even more powerful if everything is running it
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  19. Michael91


    Jul 16, 2012
    That's a good point.
  20. Millky95


    Aug 7, 2013
    And since you can't knock off Mega Stones, A-snow will be one of the natually slowest things. Could make a team with a few Knock Offers and set up for a A-snow sweep
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