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Discussion in 'RarelyUsed' started by atomicllamas, Mar 10, 2017.
Will the ru council be suspecting aurora veil?
Can someone tell me why Aurora Veil is more broken than Reflect/Light Screen? I honestly don't get the NU ban.
You can Defog it, Brick Break it or Psychic Fangs it(hi sharpedo)
Also Nidoqueen is crazy, already making a great impact in RU. Love it
Teams that utilize veil are very offensive and packed with set up sweepers. It's hard to find time to actually click defog without being too pressured and clicking it often means letting the mon in front of you set up essentially for free. Psychic fangs is run on two mons, one of which isnt that great and in sharks case if the opponent isnt weak to psychic, it has to choose between actually hitting it hard or just breaking the veil, which will probably lead to sharpedos death because its made of paper. Brick break is just a shit move in general thats inferior to any other fighting move outside of this one application, and if teams are being forced to run it to deal with veil thats probably a bad sign
You mean like how people are running rapid spin or defog for hazards? And Rapid Spin being a complete utter garbage move?
And I still don't see the difference too reflect/lscreen, if someone wants too argue about 2 turn setup, well...most of the time you don't need both screens to be effective.
The difference is that hazards are on the vast majority of teams, so Rapid Spin and Defog are always gonna be useful, while Brick Break is gonna be useless whenever the opponent doesn't use veil.
To elaborate a bit, it is both moves in one, and the Pokemon that use it, A-Slash and Cryogonal, the latter of which can also set up Reflect/Screen on top of A-Veil, are Ice types and most every Defog user is weak to Ice types so you can't defog on those Pokemon, and when they switch out to a set up Pokemon any Defog user will be pressured against practically every set up Pokmeon that A-Veil teams run.
Psychic Fangs is only used on Bruxish and Sharpedo which is makes use already super small, both are also pretty frail, and the A-Veil teams run Pangoro in the RU environment which will prevent Fangs from breaking A-Veil due to immunity. Seeing as both are RU by usage that leaves the only Psychic Fang user in NU being Stoutland who probably doesn't have much general usage.
Since Defog users are pressured easily by the strategy and P.Fang users very few in numbers and even then Shark won't have it on every set or most times in general, that would leave Brick Break, and that's a very bad move to have to be running just to counter a strategy. Most Pokemon that can run BB would rather have a stronger fighting move because they need it for damage against the rest of the metas (both in RU and NU). Difference between moves like Defog/Spin are being used for supporting a team, whereas BB is supposed to be an offensive move that basically removes Screens with extra damage if they are set up. Optimally there's no draw backs to running Defog or Spin on Pokemon who generally learn it as their movepools allow it, BB while being learned by many Pokemon can never find a place to be ran over Superpower or Close Combat due to needing to get kill shots. If you have to run a bad offensive move to help counter a strategy that's pretty bad.
It would just be better running a different weather setter to counter the Hail than running a Brick Break user tbh, but then that just would make a tier of I guess weather wars and something not everyone will want to run on every team just to counteract a weather + double screen strat.
Edit: There are also replays showing how good the strategy in simple form but I don't have any showing potency in RU, and if you want the NU replays, Meeps posted some of his in the policy review discussion of A-Veil in NU right there.
What did Drapion do so well to rise to RU?
Nothing. It's a low ladder noob trap. Don't use it.
I'm not very familiar with RU, but has Mantine leaving the tier affected Blastoise's viability at all? Both are bulky Water types with access to entry hazard removal so I was wondering.
I don't care much for Blastoise in RU. I'm mainly hoping eventually it will fall to NU where maybe it can shine.
No, there might be some people who consider using it, but Blastoise is still a bad spinner just based on the metagame, so its usage will still more or less be tied to low ladder more or less. It still has a whole bunch of negatives that Mantine just leaving won't fix. If it doesn't fall to NU then blame the lower ladder.
Curious as to why Goodra and Slowbro dropped in the VR recently. What changed for them?
The VR has been pretty stagnant more or less since beta/alpha so not many people have been making a lot of noms for top heavy mons from early alpha to drop or rise a lot. Goodra is a solid mon, just easily pressured by offensive Pokemon, and taken advantage of by common defensive Pokemon like Umbreon, P2, and Registeel who can status and tank any hit from the Goo Dragon.
I outlined in the VR rankings of why I thought Slowbro should drop, the primary being RU is filled with many Special Attackers, and Slowbro takes way too much damage unboosted to a variety of common Pokemon. Psychic / Water is a difficult to use defensive typing in the current metagame when the top Pokemon consist of Dark types and a plethora of special attackers. Even the physical attackers Slowbro is meant to pivot into and force out have ways to deal with Slowbro and would be highly reliant on a Scald burn to happen to be reliable.