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Small Subjective Changes - Controversial Edits

Discussion in 'SM Analyses' started by Oglemi, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. Oglemi

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    Oct 13, 2009
    Post small subjective changes in this thread. This thread is for subjective changes only. If you find an error that is syntactical, grammatical, typographical, orthographical, or technical please use the Small Changes thread

    Subjective changes includes:
    • Removing excess move options from a move set.
    • Small additions to a move set.
    • A change in an EV Spread.
    • Any small additions or revisions to Other Options or Counters.
    • Any small change that is subjective in nature, but is too trivial to go in a peer edit.

    Notice: To those with SCMS access, you do not need to post here. Simply make the change yourself directly and provide your reasoning in the "Edit Reason" box. If you make a change suggested by another user on the SCMS, please list your reasoning as "Small Changes Thread" so one of us can come and delete the appropriate posts.

    Couple each post with a link to the relevant analysis or article you are requesting a change in. Most importantly, if you are suggesting something - back it up with reasoning. It doesn't help us to know that you think Farfetch'd should run 220 HP EVs; what helps us is knowing why you think Farfetch'd should run 220 HP EVs.
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2016
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    Dec 28, 2009
  3. Virizain

    Virizain Banned deucer.

    Feb 27, 2017
    Volcarona | SM | Smogon Strategy Pokedex

    In "Other Options" Why don't you add a Psychium Z set there?

    Psycium Z Volcarona was first used in SPL by TDK to lure in and KO toxapex. But it has a lot more uses then that.

    Soon afterwards, Bludz mentioned Psychium Z Volcarona in the Thread "Unique and Creative Sets" with the following calcs:

    +1 252 SpA Volcarona Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 336-396 (93.8 - 110.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    +1 252 SpA Volcarona Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 351-414 (106 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    +1 252 SpA Volcarona Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Marowak-Alola: 351-414 (134.4 - 158.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    +1 252 SpA Volcarona Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Toxapex: 426-502 (140.1 - 165.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    +1 252 SpA Volcarona Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 464-548 (129.2 - 152.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    It lures in and OHKOes most of Volcarona's usual checks and counters while only losing coverage on Heatran. It does everything that that Firium Z volcarona does, but better, So I firmly believe that it should at least get a mention in its analysis.
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2017
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  4. Colonel M

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    I'll look into these today, though the latter could probably wait until full write-ups come in.

    EDIT: To comment on the first error, it was due to a weird coding malfunction of sorts. It should be fixed.
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2017
  5. MattL

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    There are no mentions about how the opponent does not know whether it's Protean or Ash when it's first sent out and how this can be taken advantage of. Whether this should be in Overview or Usage tips is up to discretion, but it's important to mention that the threat of it being Ash-Greninja and letting it transform makes the opponent's play slightly more predictable.

    Also, Ash-Greninja must be male, so Protean Greninja should always be male since an observant player could notice that a Greninja is female and therefore Protean. This can probably be added in the Overview, and it should be added because revealing Greninja's ability before it attacks decreases its effectiveness.
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