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Small Subjective Changes - Controversial Edits

Discussion in 'Sixth Generation Contributions' started by Oglemi, Oct 15, 2013.

  1. Oglemi

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    Post small subjective changes in this thread. This thread is for subjective changes only. If you find an error that is syntactical, grammatical, typographical, orthographical, or technical please use the Small changes thread.

    Subjective changes includes:
    • Removing excess move options from a move set.
    • Small additions to a move set.
    • A change in an EV Spread.
    • Any small additions or revisions to Other Options or Counters.
    • Any small change that is subjective in nature, but is too trivial to go in a peer edit.

    Notice: To those with SCMS access, you do not need to post here. Simply make the change yourself directly and provide your reasoning in the "Edit Reason" box. If you make a change suggested by another user on the SCMS, please list your reasoning as "Small Changes Thread" so one of us can come and delete the appropriate posts.

    Couple each post with a link to the relevant analysis or article you are requesting a change in. Most importantly, if you are suggesting something - back it up with reasoning. It doesn't help us to know that you think Farfetch'd should run 220 HP EVs; what helps us is knowing why you think Farfetch'd should run 220 HP EVs.
  2. Eien

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    These changes are all due to the Monotype ban of Sablenite a few weeks ago. I was told to post here, as it has been quite some time. There are quite a lot of them, but they're all small changes. I sectioned them by Pokemon. Reasoning for change is in parentheses and a c/p is provided for ease. Red is a removal from the sentence, while blue is an addition to the sentence.

    [Monotype/Psychic] Meloetta
    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/meloetta/monotype/
    Location: Assault Vest Pivot (Psychic) set under Team Options.
    Sentence: "This Meloetta set cannot touch Mega Sableye and struggles to get past Mandibuzz, so Mega Gardevoir is a good partner to get rid of these threats and other Dark-type Pokemon."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (Replaced with Sableye, as it takes very little from Shadow Ball and can cripple Meloetta with Will-O-Wisp or Knock Off. Because of Shadow Ball's Special Defense drop chance, it is a struggle, but this set can touch Sableye.)
    c/p: This Meloetta set struggles to get past Sableye and Mandibuzz, so Mega Gardevoir is a good partner to get rid of these threats and other Dark-type Pokemon.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/meloetta/monotype/
    Location: All-out Attacker (Psychic) set under Moves.
    Sentence: "Dazzling Gleam rounds off Meloetta's coverage, letting it get past Mega Sableye and Mandibuzz while also providing a more reliable way to hit other Dark-type Pokemon in general."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (Sableye is not notable enough to be an example outside of "other Dark-type Pokemon")
    c/p: Dazzling Gleam rounds off Meloetta's coverage, letting it get past Mandibuzz while also providing a more reliable way to hit other Dark-type Pokemon in general.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/meloetta/monotype/
    Location: All-out Attacker (Psychic) set under Team Options.
    Sentence: "If Meloetta is not using Dazzling Gleam, Mega Gardevoir pairs well with it, as it is able to get rid of Mega Sableye and Mandibuzz for Meloetta while also dealing with other Dark-type Pokemon and taking Dark- and Bug-type moves neutrally."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (Sableye is not notable enough to be an example outside of "other Dark-type Pokemon")
    c/p: If Meloetta is not using Dazzling Gleam, Mega Gardevoir pairs well with it, as it is able to get rid of Mandibuzz for Meloetta while also dealing with other Dark-type Pokemon and taking Dark- and Bug-type moves neutrally.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/meloetta/monotype/
    Location: Checks and Counters under Psychic section.
    Sentence: "Mega Sableye: Mega Sableye is immune to both of Meloetta's STAB types, takes little from its coverage moves, and can set up Calm Mind on it, but it must fear a Choice Specs-boosted Dazzling Gleam."
    Change: Remove the entire section. (Sableye is not a suitable replacement)

    [Monotype/Fairy] Klefki
    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/klefki/monotype/
    Location: Checks and Counters under Fairy section in Magic Bounce Pokemon.
    Sentence: "Magic Bounce Pokemon: Pokemon with the Magic Bounce ability such as Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie prevent Klefki from spreading status and setting up Spikes, therefore forcing Klefki to switch out after setting up screens."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (No good replacement example)
    c/p: **Magic Bounce Pokemon**: Pokemon with the Magic Bounce ability such as Mega Diancie prevent Klefki from spreading status and setting up Spikes, therefore forcing Klefki to switch out after setting up screens.

    [Monotype/Dark] Bisharp
    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/bisharp/monotype/
    Location: Offensive Sweeper (Dark / Swords Dance) set under Team Options.
    Sentence: "Mega Sableye is also recommended because it can bounce back possible statuses and is immune to Fighting moves."
    Change: Changing Mega Sableye to Sableye and changing the reason for why it's good. Bisharp can't defeat some defensive Pokemon, and Sableye comes in as a great stallbreaker to do so. Its immunity to Fighting moves is also great, especially against the likes of Mega Medicham.
    c/p: Sableye is recommended because it is immune to Fighting moves and can use Taunt and Knock Off to defeat defensive Pokemon Bisharp has trouble with, such as Hippowdon.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/bisharp/monotype/
    Location: Offensive Sweeper (Dark / Swords Dance) set under Set Details.
    Sentence: "Lum Berry provides more sweeping opportunities, as it allows Bisharp to take a potential status from a Pokemon such as Mega Sableye or Mew."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (Replaced with Sableye, as it has Prankster Will-O-Wisp)
    c/p: Lum Berry provides more sweeping opportunities, as it allows Bisharp to take a potential status from a Pokemon such as Sableye or Mew.

    [Monotype/Fighting] Heracross
    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Wallbreaker (Fighting) set under Moves.
    Sentences: "Substitute helps ease prediction and handle defensive Pokemon that try to check Mega Heracross with status moves, such as Rotom-W and Mega Sableye. Swords Dance is another option that helps Mega Heracross break through even the toughest walls that it normally can't, such as Gliscor, and gives it enough power to OHKO Sap Sipper Azumarill and Mega Sableye."
    Change: Removal of both mentions of Mega Sableye. (Replaced both with Sableye, as having a Substitute up prevents it from coming in to Will-O-Wisp and then Recover stall Mega Heracross. Second case, Sableye can burn Mega Heracross before it attacks, but a +2 Mega Heracross will still OHKO after being burned.)
    c/p: Substitute helps ease prediction and handle defensive Pokemon that try to check Mega Heracross with status moves, such as Rotom-W and Sableye. Swords Dance is another option that helps Mega Heracross break through even the toughest walls that it normally can't, such as Gliscor, and gives it enough power to OHKO Sableye even after being burned by Will-O-Wisp and Sap Sipper Azumarill.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Wallbreaker (Fighting) set under Set Details.
    Sentence: "The Adamant nature also helps give Mega Heracross a small chance at beating Mega Sableye."
    Change: Remove the entire line. (Sableye is not a suitable replacement, as if Adamant Mega Heracross can defeat it, with Substitute or Swords Dance, Jolly can too.)

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Wallbreaker (Fighting) set under Usage Tips.
    Sentence: "Mega Heracross generally hates status, as paralysis makes it slower than the walls it seeks to KO, such as Skarmory; burns halve its damage, making it almost useless and letting Mega Sableye wall it; and poison from the likes of Mega Venusaur, which Mega Heracross otherwise counters, can quickly wear it down due to its lack of recovery."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye example.
    c/p: Mega Heracross generally hates status, as paralysis makes it slower than the walls it seeks to KO, such as Skarmory; burns halve its damage, making it almost useless; and poison from the likes of Mega Venusaur, which Mega Heracross otherwise counters, can quickly wear it down due to its lack of recovery.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Wallbreaker (Fighting) set under Team Options.
    Sentence: "Substitute + Calm Mind Keldeo is a fantastic teammate, as it counters Mega Sableye, which Mega Heracross cannot reliably check."
    Change: Remove the entire line. (Not true because Mega Sableye is no longer allowed)

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Choice Scarf (Fighting) set under Set Details.
    Sentences: "Guts is also required for allowing Heracross to check Mega Sableye and 2HKO Mandibuzz. Moxie is an alternative option only if other Mega Sableye checks are on the team, such as Substitute + Calm Mind Keldeo, as it gives Heracross the additional power to set up a sweep late-game."
    Change: Removal of both mentions of Mega Sableye. (First mention change to Sableye, as Sableye can stall a burned Heracross without Guts. Second mention I removed Substitute + Calm Mind Keldeo mention because it's not true anymore and replaced with the opportunity cost.)
    c/p: Guts is also required for allowing Heracross to check Mega Sableye and 2HKO Mandibuzz. Moxie is an alternative option, as it gives Heracross the additional power to set up a sweep late-game at the cost of the ability to soak up status for the team.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Choice Scarf (Fighting) set under Usage Tips.
    Sentence: "With the Guts boost, Heracross becomes a formidable wallbreaker, capable of 2HKOing Mega Sableye and Gastrodon and OHKOing Slowbro and Mew."
    Change: Removal of Mega Sableye. (Replaced with Mega Venusaur, another big wall that Heracross needs the Guts boost to 2HKO)
    c/p: With the Guts boost, Heracross becomes a formidable wallbreaker, capable of 2HKOing Mega Venusaur and Gastrodon and OHKOing Slowbro and Mew.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/heracross/monotype/
    Location: Choice Scarf (Fighting) set under Team Options.
    Sentence: "Substitute + Calm Mind Keldeo is almost a necessary teammate for Moxie Heracross, as it is the most reliable check to Mega Sableye."
    Change: Remove the entire line. (Not true because Mega Sableye is no longer allowed.)

    [Monotype/Dark] Mandibuzz
    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/mandibuzz/monotype/
    Location: Defensive (Dark) set under Team Options.
    Sentences: "Mega Sableye is another Pokemon that forms a good core with Mandibuzz, as it can bounce back status moves and hazards, which cripple Mandibuzz, while being immune to Fighting. It is also good at spreading burns with Will-O-Wisp."
    Change: Remove both lines. Mega Sableye + Mandibuzz core isn't possible to replicate, and Sableye isn't particularly a good teammate for Mandibuzz.

    Link: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/mandibuzz/monotype/
    Location: Other Options for Dark
    Sentence: "Thanks to Mandibuzz's good Speed for a bulky Pokemon, Toxic can be used alongside Foul Play, Taunt, and Roost, allowing it to pressure bulky Pokemon, (RC) while leaving hazard control to Mega Sableye."
    Change: Remove the entire line. (Mega Sableye is gone now)
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