Smogon Advance Tiers

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#26
Dodrio is too fragile and attracts Metagross/Tyranitar/Gengar/Dusclops/Skarmory which are all quite common. It's above BL though.
 
#27
There should probably be a seperate category for BL UUs (Cloyster, Machamp, Slowbro, etc.) and BL OUs (Tauros, Medicham, etc.) Then again, since y'all don't allow BLs in UU, I guess it doesn't matter too much. It's just kind of a broad thing.

also hariyama sux but thats just me :< I know it sucks in uu even as a normal poke and not as a bl.
 

zfs

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#28
Putting Kadabra in the BL list seems stupid to me. It's always banned in NFE tournies for good reason, but in UU? Sure, it *can* be unstoppable, but so can a lot of UU pokes, not to mention other unlisted NFEs. How many teams easily stop Pikahcu, Clamperl, Vigoroth, Pupitar, Metang, shit even Cubone and Meditite can dominate in UU if given a chance. Kadabra CAN be stopped in UU, hes got enough counters where banning him seems excessive.
 

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#34
kadabra removed, relicanth added.

lol dodrio is not that common, it's staying in borderline.
steelix is staying overused, it's a lot more common than you think. personally, i've never had tentacruel sweep me ever in uu, and not many people use it do to the commonness of earthquake. hitmontop stays in uu.

clamperl, pikachu, and vigoroth would be unnecessary additions ;/
 

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#35
But why not add them? They are, in my opinion, "distinct Pokemon" (as I like to call them), different enough from their evolved counterparts to merit placement, if that placement is above NU. Then simply say that all unevolved Pokemon not listed (and say which ones were listed) are allowed in all metagames. Problem solved.

Pikachu, for example, is too powerful for NU (I think, I'm not much of an NU expert), but if it's not listed, people might think it's allowed. Or people might think that Vigoroth is not allowed anywhere, as it's not on any of the tiers.
 
#36
zfs said:
IIRC Cubone doesn't get Thick Clube boost.

My opinion on pre-evos is simply that they all be considered UU. Kadabra may be slightly better than the average UU, but he doesn't hold a fucking candle to beasts like Tauros or Dodrio. =/ Chansey i just, yeah, a mini-Blissey. I still don't think it would be like ridiculous in UU, though. I dunno, I might make my own version of this some time, but yeah. This is very good for what it is, and I commend you.
 

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#40
IMO Dragonite should be BL, since BLs aren't allowed in UU here and Salamence exists in OU.
 
#44
clamperl, pikachu, and vigoroth would be unnecessary additions
They all have different roles than their evolved forms, and there are good reasons to use them over their evolved forms. Clamperl has DeepSeaTooth and DeepSeaScale, Pikachu has Light Ball, and Vigoroth does not have Slakoth and Slaking's Traunt trait.
If these pokes are not going to be included, then why is Trapinch ranked? Being in the NU Tier says that it is not particularly good, yet its Sand Stream trait gives it a possible reason to use it over Flygon.
 
#45
Noobster said:
kadabra removed, relicanth added.

lol dodrio is not that common, it's staying in borderline.
steelix is staying overused, it's a lot more common than you think. personally, i've never had tentacruel sweep me ever in uu, and not many people use it do to the commonness of earthquake. hitmontop stays in uu.

clamperl, pikachu, and vigoroth would be unnecessary additions ;/
I guess u are right about Tentacruel.
But Steelix and Dodrio should at least be in the same place... Dodrio is more used than Steelix or at least more scary... if it isnt more used, its as used as Steelix... :/

But Hitmontop?? LOL... Hitmonlee overpower both Hitmonchan and Hitmontop i guess, but both Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan are much better than Hitmontop, he cant do anything, he doesnt even get Focus Punch, and if its because of intimidate, a LOT of crap pokes have it.

By the sake of god, Hitmontop is more NU than Ledian LOL :O