I'm really not seeing why you're all so against this thing getting Ice Punch, Icy Wind etc. It doesn't have a huge Atk or SAtk stat, and its going to be pumping its defenses, so it won't be able to invest too much in attack. This isn't some Curselax with king sized HP/SDef, so Bulk Up isn't much of an argument either. Look at Electivire. Even after all that attack investment, it gets nowhere near OHKOing stuff because its attacks aren't powerful enough. And just why do you want so many counters to it Hyra? It gets walled like shit by Tangrowth as long as it doesn't have Icy Wind with a LOT of investment(IMO it should get Icy Wind, its 55 BP FFS and slowing stuff down would help it support the team, which it isn't really doing to any great extent). The way this is going, this thing would never see any use at all after the initial interest. BTW, @Dane, Fighting type is only weak to Psychic and Flying, so this thing has more Weaknesses than Machamp, however, it does have immunities.
I agree with the anti WoW argument though, its bandaged dammit. I'd really like to see Power Whip on this, it fits well and it'll help it hurt stuff. Not too much stuff, just enough. You're really overrating this thing, all of you. It'll be forced out more often than not because of its mediocre speed, it won't kill things because of its so-so attack(just ask Aerodactyl), it won't take hits well enough if you choose to do some damage. I'm not saying we need to give this a hyper offensive movepool or anything(just Grass Knot and Power Whip, they kind of make sense coming from a bandaged Pokemon, especially Power Whip), just that it should at the very least get a good support movepool to actually see some use. And I agree that Close Combat has no place on this thing.
