Smogon Doubles NU - Now with Viability Predictions

[ryo yamada2001]

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#FREEDARKRAI

ill make this better tonight or tomorrow, because this obviously isn't done yet
don't close this please stratos approved

Clauses:
Species Clause: Limit one of each Pokémon
OHKO Clause: OHKO moves are banned
Moody Clause: Moody is banned
Evasion Abilities Clause: Evasion abilities are banned
Evasion Moves Clause: Evasion moves are banned
Endless Battle Clause: Forcing endless battles is banned
HP Percentage Mod: HP is shown in percentages​

Current banlist:
Abomasnow, Absol, Accelgor, Aegislash, Aerodactyl, Ambipom, Amoonguss, Ampharos, Arcanine, Arceus, Aromatisse, Audino, Aurorus, Azumarill, Bisharp, Blastoise, Breloom, Bronzong, Camerupt, Chandelure, Charizard, Cofagrigus, Conkeldurr, Cresselia, Crobat, Darkrai, Dialga, Diancie, Dragalge, Dragonite, Dusclops, Eelektross, Entei, Escavalier, Espeon, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Gastrodon, Genesect, Gengar, Giratina, Giratina-Origin, Goodra, Greninja, Groudon, Gyarados, Hariyama, Heatran, Heliolisk, Heracross, Hitmontop, Ho-Oh, Hoopa, Hoopa-Unbound, Houndoom, Hydreigon, Infernape, Jellicent, Kangaskhan, Keldeo, Klefki, Krookodile, Kyogre, Kyurem, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Landorus, Landorus-Therian, Latios, Lucario, Ludicolo, Lugia, Machamp, Mamoswine, Mawile, Meowstic-Male, Metagross, Mew, Mewtwo, Mienshao, Milotic, Nidoking, Ninetales, Octillery, Palkia, Pidgeot, Politoed, Porygon2, Purugly, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Rhyperior, Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Wash, Sableye, Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Scrafty, Serperior, Shaymin, Shaymin-Sky, Slowking, Snorlax, Suicune, Swampert, Sylveon, Talonflame, Tauros, Terrakion, Thundurus, Thundurus-Therian, Togekiss, Tornadus, Tyranitar, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Venusaur, Victini, Volcarona, Weavile, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zapdos, Zekrom

All megas that are allowed:

Pokémon that shouldn't be NU but are NU anyways:

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Pokémon that you could use but probably are not worth your time so you probably shouldn't kek

Slaking, Regigigas, Espeon, Jolteon, Yanmega, Noivern, Reuniclus, Gigalith, Zygarde, Flygon, Serperior, Stoutland, Kabutops, Omastar, Chansey, Blissey, Shuckle, Musharna, Cloyster, Vaporeon, Tangrowth, Tangela, Parasect, Mantine, Cradily, Magnezone, Magneton, Slurpuff, Mr. Mime, Wigglytuff, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys, Electivire, Electabuzz, Luxray, Purugly, Alomomola, Moltres, Hippowdon, Seaking, Raichu, Furret, Jumpluff, Butterfree, Carnivine, Ariados, Venomoth, Riolu, Wobbufett, Cofagrigus, rip this meta

VIABILITY RANKINGS PREDICTIONS (by Fangame10 and me)
note that these are simply predictions and that these are quickly made by me and fangame, so yea if you want to contribute to the viability rankings just make a post instead of leaving a sarcastic post like "nice viability ranking!!"​

Tier 1

Altaria-Mega
Items: Altarianite
Moves: Dragon Dance, Return, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Roost, Fire Blast, Hyper Voice

Blaziken
Items: Life Orb
Moves: Overheat, Superpower, Low Kick, Stone Edge, Hidden Power Ice, Knock Off, Swords Dance, Flare Blitz, ThunderPunch, High Jump Kick

Blaziken-Mega​

Items: Blazikenite
Moves: Overheat, Superpower, Low Kick, Stone Edge, Hidden Power Ice, Knock Off, Swords Dance, Flare Blitz, ThunderPunch, High Jump Kick

Deoxys
Items: Focus Sash, Life Orb
Moves: Psycho Boost, Shadow Ball, ExtremeSpeed, Superpower, Drain Punch, Ice Beam

Pinsir-Mega
Items: Pinsirite
Moves: Swords Dance, Return, Frustration, Double-Edge, Close Combat, Earthquake, Quick Attack, Feint
Serperior
Tier 1.5

Banette-Mega
Items: Banettite
Moves: Destiny Bond, Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Shadow Claw, Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Thunder Wave, Shadow Sneak

Clefable
Items: Sitrus Berry, Rocky Helmet
Moves: Follow Me, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Moonblast, Helping Hand, Thunder Wave

Kingdra
Items: Life Orb, Choice Specs
Moves: Muddy Water, Draco Meteor, Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, Substitute, Rain Dance, Scald

Staraptor
Items: Choice Band, Choice Scarf
Moves: Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Final Gambit, Close Combat, Quick Attack, U-Turn
Tier 2

Cradily
Items: Leftovers
Moves: Stealth Rock, Rock Slide, Recover, Giga Drain

Gothitelle
Item: Sitrus Berry, Choice Scarf, Choice Specs
Moves: Psychic, Trick Room, Helping Hand, Heal Pulse, Hidden Power Fire, Trick, Psychic, Psyshock, Thunderbolt, Energy Ball

Gourgeist-Super
Items: Leftovers
Moves: Will-O-Wisp, Leech Seed, Foul Play, Trick Room, Seed Bomb, Shadow Sneak

Kabutops
Items: Life Orb, Lum Berry
Moves: Stone Edge, Aqua Jet, Waterfall, Knock Off, Swords Dance, Superpower

Medicham-Mega
Items: Medichamite
Moves: High Jump Kick, Zen Headbutt, Fake Out, Ice Punch

Meloetta
Items: Choice Specs, Life Orb, Assault Vest, Choice Scarf
Moves: Hyper Voice, Psychic, Focus Blast, U-Turn, Dazzling Gleam, Relic Song, Psyshock, Calm Mind, Trick, Perish Song, Knock Off, Thunder Wave, Return, Close Combat

sigh lord helix
Items: Focus Sash, Choice Specs
Moves: Scald, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Surf, Hidden Power Grass

Parasect
Items: Sitrus Berry, Focus Sash
Moves: Spore, Leech Seed, X-Scissor, Knock Off, Seed Bomb, Wide Guard

Rhydon
Items: Eviolite
Moves: Earthquake, Megahorn, Roar, Stone Edge, Drill Run, Rock Slide, Ice Punch
Tier 2.5

Clefairy
Items: Eviolite
Moves: Follow Me, Icy Wind, Helping Hand, Moonblast, Thunder Wave, Knock Off, Healing Wish

Electivire
Items: Life Orb
Moves: Wild Charge, Earthquake, Ice Punch, Hidden Power Grass, Thunderbolt, Flamethrower

Gallade-Mega
Items: Galladite
Moves: Swords Dance, Drain Punch, Close Combat, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Shadow Sneak, Zen Headbutt, Substitute, Wide Guard, Quick Guard, Icy Wind, Trick Room

Hippowdon
Items: Leftovers, Rocky Helmet, Sitrus Berry, Smooth Rock
Moves: Stealth Rock, Stone Edge, Whirlwind, Yawn, Earthquake, Rock Tomb, Rock Slide, Slack Off

Reuniclus
Items: Life Orb, Sitrus Berry, Mental Herb, Light Clay
Moves: Trick Room, Psychic, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power Fire, Energy Ball, Helping Hand, Reflect, Light Screen, Focus Blast, Recover

Steelix-Mega
Items: Steelixite
Moves: Earthquake, Roar, Heavy Slam, Stealth Rock

Tangela
Items: Eviolite
Moves: Rage Powder, Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Ancient Power, Sleep Powder, Hidden Power Fire, Leech Seed

Tangrowth
Items: Sitrus Berry, Choice Specs, Life Orb, Assault Vest
Moves: Rage Powder, Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Ancient Power, Sleep Powder, Hidden Power Fire, Leech Seed, Power Whip, Focus Blast, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Knock Off, Hidden Power Ice

Vivillon
Items: Focus Sash, Sharp Beak, Life Orb, Sky Plate
Moves: Sleep Powder, Hurricane, Tailwind, Bug Buzz, U-Turn, Rage Powder, Quiver Dance, Hidden Power Ground, Energy Ball, Endeavor
Tier 3

Blissey
Items: Leftovers
Moves: Thunder Wave, Soft-Boiled, Seismic Toss, Stealth Rock, Heal Bell, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Counter, Calm Mind, Healing Wish, Flamethrower

Cloyster
Items: Focus Sash, Life Orb, King's Rock
Moves: Icicle Spear, Rock Blast, Explosion, Ice Shard, Hydro Pump, Shell Smash

Glalie-Mega
Items: Glalite
Moves: Double-Edge, Return, Frustration, Freeze-Dry, Earthquake, Ice Shard, Explosion, Super Fang, Body Slam, Hidden Power Fire, Facade, Taunt, Crunch

Jolteon
Items: Air Balloon, Choice Specs, Life Orb, Focus Sash
Moves: Shadow Ball, Discharge, Volt Switch, Thunderbolt, Hidden Power Ice, Signal Beam, Thunder, Thunder Wave, Hyper Voice

Magnezone
Items: Air Balloon, Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, Weakness Policy
Moves: Flash Cannon, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Hidden Power Fire, Discharge, Signal Beam, Thunder, Thunder Wave, Explosion

Musharna
Items: Leftovers, Mental Herb, Sitrus Berry, Rocky Helmet, Safety Goggles, Light Clay
Moves: Trick Room, Psychic, Helping Hand, Moonlight, Psych Up, Calm Mind, Stored Power, Dazzling Gleam, Shadow Ball, Yellow Magic, Light Screen, Reflect

Noivern
Items: Life Orb, Choice Specs, Focus Sash
Moves: Draco Meteor, Boomburst, Hurricane, Dragon Pulse, Hurricane, Flamethrower, Air Slash, Heat Wave, Tailwind, U-Turn, Dark Pulse, Super Fang, Focus Blast, Taunt

Regirock
Items: Leftovers, Assault Vest, Weakness Policy, Sitrus Berry
Moves: Drain Punch, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Power-Up Punch, Stone Edge, Rest, Explosion

Sharpedo-Mega
Items: Sharpedonite
Moves: Crunch, Waterfall, Ice Fang, Aqua Jet, Earthquake, Poison Jab, Poison Fang, Zen Headbutt

Yanmega
Items: Focus Sash, Life Orb
Moves: Bug Buzz, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Hypnosis, DETECT, Giga Drain
Tier Please Don't

Beedrill-Mega

Mr. Mime

Regigigas

Shuckle

Slaking

Wigglytuff

Wobbuffet
Tier unranked

Deoxys-Attack

Alakazam-Mega

Alakazam

Aggron-Mega

Manectric-Mega

Slowbro-Mega

Latias-Mega

Gallade-Mega
Mienshao
Florges
Hoopa
Abomasnow
Ampharos
Roserade
Cobalion
Blastoise
Camerupt
Kingler
Aerodactyl
Medicham
Honchkrow
Thundurus-Therian

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[shaian]

#JESUISDARKRAI

 

[Stratos]

@shaian: doubles nu: it only exists for the sake of darkrai awareness
#Stratos: this is true
+Meloettaaa: true shaian

 

[Fangame10]

We also need to save Pokes like rotom h, latias and bring down mon like spinda and slaking... But mostly darkrai

 

[Qazoo306]

So can we quick ban Darkrai, Rotom-H, and Latios, and make a huge deal about it so people realize they're legal and use them more so they go to DOU where they mostly belong.

 

[Idyll]

fanart by yours truly

fanart

So can we quick ban Darkrai, Rotom-H, and Latios, and make a huge deal about it so people realize they're legal and use them more so they go to DOU where they mostly belong.

bro Latios is in DOU, I'm p sure :>

 

[Qazoo306]

fanart by yours truly

fanart

bro Latios is in DOU, I'm p sure :>

Typo, it was supposed to be Latias.

 

[KyleCole]

Latias fits perfectly well into the DNU meta game, it's checked by darkrai

 

[finally]

analyses are already written hele http://pastebin.com/u/KyleCole
scroll down a bit

 

[Arcticblast]

Deoxys is NU too. Are you just paying attention to Darkrai because it's black?! #AllMonsMatter #FreeDeoxys

 

[ryo yamada2001]

Is anybody willing to help out with a viability ranking? I could make speed tiers based on that too =)

Feel free to add sets/pokemon you think might be helpful, I will update OP tomorrow

 

[shaian]

wait there are actually analyses for this? shit i thought this was just a joke o,o

 

[Haruno]

Hi where the fuck is ru

 

[ryo yamada2001]

wait there are actually analyses for this? shit i thought this was just a joke o,o

no this is a legit NU thread

 

[Stratos]

Hi where the fuck is ru

when there's two tiers it goes OU->UU. When there's three tiers it goes OU->UU->NU. When there's four tiers it goes OU->UU->RU->NU. It's been that way since forever o.o

 

[Fangame10]

I think in order to improve our prediction viability ranking and encourage this meta we should have some people post replays of Doubles NU battles here imo

#SAVEDARKRAI

 

[Digital Sound]

Nice shit you have here Melo :P, I just hope that M-Blaziken has at least some use in this meta. >_>

 

[ryo yamada2001]

nice tier

 

[Arcticblast]

This is gonna need some fixing up

I nominate Meloetta

 

[ryo yamada2001]

This is gonna need some fixing up

I nominate Meloetta

ill do it when i'll get to a pc

 

[xzern]

trying to whisk away the already nonexistent uu playerbase smh
anyway here are updates for u:

Doubles NU banlist (praise antar): Absol, Accelgor, Aerodactyl, Ambipom, Ampharos, Arcanine, Aromatisse, Audino, Aurorus, Blastoise, Bronzong, Camerupt, Chandelure, Cofagrigus, Crobat, Darkrai, Dragalge, Dusclops, Eelektross, Entei, Escavalier, Espeon, Gastrodon, Genesect, Goodra, Hariyama, Heliolisk, Heracross, Houndoom, Infernape, Jellicent, Klefki, Krookodile, Kyurem, Lucario, Machamp, Mamoswine, Mawile, Meowstic, Mienshao, Nidoking, Octillery, Pidgeot, Porygon2, Purugly, Rhyperior, Rotom-Heat, Salamence, Sceptile, Shaymin, Slowking, Snorlax, Swampert, Tauros, Tornadus, Umbreon, Vaporeon, Victini

therefore,

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All megas that are allowed:

Pokémon that shouldn't be NU but are NU anyways:

(PRAISE spinda) ​

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im probably missing something so just check before u actually put this in

 

[Funbot28]

Ok Mega Altaria and Deoxys should literally get banned. Then we can try to have a more balanced meta unless the ladder screws us again...

 

[ryo yamada2001]

small update, anyone ideas for what I should put in OP?

 

[lolbro]

meloetta you are amazing, thanmk you for this thread. amen

 

[Platinum God n1n1]

I'll play. Whens the tour?