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Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - August 2009

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by DougJustDoug, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. franky

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    Apr 12, 2009
    No brainer there Milotic and Registeel really high on the ladder because Milotic / Registeel core is standard in this metagame, glad to see them share the top 3.

    Quite surprised with Ninjask outleading Roserade to be honest in OU.

    Its because of Uxie leads.

    Well anyways thanks for the stats dug..!
  2. Peachfuzz


    Aug 27, 2008
    To the people surprised at Ninjask's usage: if you watch random battles and catch the beginning of the match, Ninjask will show up on your screen fairly often.

    The Smog article analyzing the UU metagame mentions Tauros alongside Kangaskhan (who sits at 34th) as an up and coming Normal-type UU threat, and yet it is 69th on the ladder.

    Max attack Adamant Life Orb Earthquake from Rhyperior vs. max defense / HP Milotic: 52.03% - 61.68%

    Max attack Adamant Choice Banded EQ from Rhyperior vs. same Milotic: 60.15% - 71.07%

    Min SpA (236) Surf from same Milotic vs. min HP / SpDef Rhyperior: 133.42% - 157.68%
    with Sandstorm: 88.14% - 105.12%

    So even in sandstorm, Rhyperior dies to Milotic no matter what from Surf after Life Orb recoil. Rhyperior will also never outspeed. The only notable thing here is that Choice Band Rhyperior can take out Milotic switching in, guaranteeing a 2HKO even with Leftovers and possibly surviving a Surf in Sandstorm. However, that means Hippopotas must be used, and everyone knows that Hippowdon's pre-evo is horrible.

    Rhyperior isn't as scary as people may expect in UU. +10 base points in HP, Attack, and Defense, and Solid Rock over Rhydon don't go very far in adding to Rhyperior's survivability. Rock Polish sets reach 358 speed with Adamant and 392 with Jolly. 358 still loses to base 115's and above, and Jolly loses on a significant 37 attack points.
  3. boredomisbliss


    Jan 15, 2009
    thanks doug!

    wow Azelf really took the lead lead away from Metagross
    and Swampert lead usage fell nearly 1%... makes me reconsider using expert belt over focus sash on my lead azelf =/

    Azakazam, PZ, and Rhyperior in UU haha *insert maniacal laughter smily) looks like BL is gonna get some new additions xD
    and roserade went up .8% o.O pfft OWNT UU

    Heatran took #3 from Gyarados
    Metagross is 5 and rotom usage dropped o.O

    | Azelf | Item | Other (6) | < 9.5 || Azelf | Move | Flamethrower | 37.2 |
    | Azelf | Move | Taunt | 30.2 |
    | Azelf | Move | Grass Knot | 18.2 |
    | Azelf | Move | U-turn | 14.8 || Azelf | Nature | Naive | 51.6 |
    | Azelf | HP EV | Very Low (<50) | 3.9 |
    | Azelf | Speed EV | Max | 89.3 |
    | Azelf | SpAttack EV | Other (4) | < 5.0 |
    ROFL@my Azelf

    | Skarmory | Item | Leftovers | 58.9 |
    | Skarmory | Item | Shed Shell | 39.1 |
    good for me!

    | Salamence | Move | Dragon Dance | 45.7 |
    | Salamence | Move | Draco Meteor | 43.6 |
    mix/DD mence are close :o
  4. franky

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    Apr 12, 2009
    @ Peach

    I agree with this sentiment, this hype is almost the same as Dugtrio's hype as the most common physical wall in this tier will defeat Rhyperior no matter what. Also, this metagame is quite fast pace and its low Speed is going to hinder it alot, mark me on this.
  5. Nas

    Nas Banned deucer.

    Oct 19, 2007
    Rhyperior in UU is a scary thought, as there is nothing that can take two CB'd hits from it and live to tell the tale. (except for donphan, who has no recovery) Milotic will probably end up on every team, Slowbro being outsped and weak to Megahorn.
  6. Peachfuzz


    Aug 27, 2008
    That was the hype of it in OU pre DP, the fact that it can 2HKO/OHKO everything with a Choice Band, but it probably won't. Its speed and multiple weaknesses means it probably has to take a hit from the pokemon it wants to come into, meaning its life is usually cut short before it can do significant damage. This is just the nature of slow Choice attackers. There is a also a huge amount of ground immunities and UU and some decent rock resists.
  7. chenman333


    Aug 26, 2008
    21 | Empoleon | 12833 | 1.52 |
    Would you look at that?
  8. RegalStar


    Jul 25, 2008
    Hmm. Will Porygon2 go to OU or NU first? Only time will tell... and I certainly am very interested in the result.

    Oh and Off-topic: I'm a huge idiot. Seriously.
  9. The_Chaser

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    Jun 9, 2009
    Excellent work Doug, the slight fall of Lucario and Infernape shows that Bulky offense is the most popular battling style at the moment.
  10. Thund91


    May 28, 2009
    29 | Steelix | 6238 | 6.73

    That's a pretty big fucking drop. Did Donphan take over Steelix's job?

    46 | Weezing | 3812 | 4.11

    Weezing doesn't deserve to be this low. I'm sure once the Leafeons and Venusaurs and Torterras start raping he'll come back up.
  11. Scofield

    Scofield Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh, Kate.......
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    Sep 14, 2007
    What the hell is going on here?

    Scizor is pulling away from mence, when I keep thinking the gap will close! Bold prediction, in the next 6 months, mence will take over the #1 slot.

    Heatran retakes the #3, the perfect glue and special fire is the best attacking type accoridng to the smog.

    Rotom is EVERYWHERE, being at what should be #5. Latias at the actual #5 is actually a very great mon.

    Gengar and Blissey both fell A LOT.

    I'm very disappointed that my new favorite, mamoswine is sitting so low at #36. Yes, even though I just said rotom was everywhere.

    Leadwise, it looks like azelf is pulling away.
  12. xBLUEx


    Oct 9, 2007
    Great job Doug. Rhyperior in UU baffles me somewhat.
  13. Staraptor Call

    Staraptor Call

    Mar 7, 2009
    Interestingly, while Latias and Rotom-A both saw substantial gains, Tyranitar and Metagross, two common Pursuit users, both fell. This could be a big opprotunity for users of Pursuit, since Pursuit-bait Pokemon are becoming more popular. Hippowdon fell more than half a percentage point, and that means Sand Stall is less common now. Since Abomasnow fell slightly this means Stall is becoming less used overall. Paradoxically, Skarmory usage increased in August. This is likely because of the archived RMTs that were recently posted that involve bulky offense with Spikes support. Those RMTs spurred people (including me) to make similar teams that use the best Spiker, Skarmory. This made Magnezone usage slightly increase, and accordingly, Shed Shell usage on Skarmory took a large jump.
  14. B-Lulz

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    Apr 21, 2008
    CB Rhyperior would be a monster in UU, can't see much in that tier taking a hit at all. Oh well, Roserades loss will shake uk UU also, thanks for the stats!
  15. Toaster


    Jul 6, 2009
    wow,that suprised me abit.rhyperior dropped from lasts months #49 to #52,im also suprised at how latias and rotom-a usage jumped to 5#.

    thanks for the stats doug

    EDIT:wow,in UU donphan jumped from #44 last month to 4#

    quite possibly the biggest jump i ever saw thus far on smogon
  16. ultimifier


    May 13, 2006
    i honestly thought that wobb usage was decreasing but i guess not.

    nice to see darkrai so high, and although i won't get any credit (who the fuck is ultimifier anyways) i popularized the dark void, sub, nasty plot, dark pulse darkrai set which is going to be the most popular within a couple months as it destroys stall teams and really helps with scouting revenge killers. as of this month, 30.2% of darkrai carry substitute, which is over twice as much as last month.

    its not surprising to rayray usage dropping so much either. it was such a potent threat in the past that every team pretty much has 6 checks to it and its usage is REALLY dropping, sinking to a career low 8th place in usage. Expect mixquaza sets to rise in the future as nothing can really switch in safe as fire blast/ draco meteor / earthquake pretty much 2hkos every pokemon in the game.

    palkia is also a beast. scarf is the bane of offensive teams (and most offensive teams carry one as well) and mixed/sub sets are the bane of stall teams. As long as you can keep rain going palkia is the Beast of uber teams. Expect palkia and kyogre to stay 1 and 2 for a long time, possibly forever. Scarf sets will become less popular however, as mixed and specs sets will make their way to the top.

    have fun with the uber tier peeeps. its really interesting and much, much more fast paced than OU. not many people play, but lets try and increase the battles from 13200 to over 15000 next month!!
  17. panamaxis

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    Aug 30, 2008
    21 | Empoleon | 12833 | 1.52
    Good to see people are catching on to what a great lead empoleon is.
  18. mien

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    Jul 13, 2008
    Unless the release of the two new games result into another major shift in the metagame i doubt Scizor will ever lose his current spot.

    Scizor can fit in every sort of team, while Mence will rarely be used in stall based teams. Also many people will try to limit their ammount of SR weaks further decreasing it's useage compared to Scizor.
  19. haunter

    haunter Banned deucer.

    Aug 6, 2007
    You're right here, though if HG\SS brought a rapid spin tutor, then I'm sure that Salamence would rise in usage.

    I can't wait to test Rhyperior in UU, though Alakazam sounds even more appealing to me.


    | Latias | Move | HP-Fire | 9.8 |

    Am I the only one who uses HP fire Latias?

    As always a great job DJD.
  20. Erazor

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    Oct 27, 2008
    You know, if Roserade leaves UU, I feel that Milotic has a case for being Borderline. I'm not saying that it is, but just that you can certainly make a decent nomination.

    Heracross at no. 47, he's getting closer.......

    And Alakazam looks interesting. Can't wait to use him in UU :)

    About Rhyperior: shut up. Seriously. "Nothing can take a hit!!!!!!!" Have you ever used Rhydon? Rhyperior is that with a little more attack and special defense. They even have the same speed. So let's not get ahead of ourselves.
  21. The Guesstimator

    The Guesstimator

    Aug 1, 2009
    Just a question (this might be a noob question) but why is Charizard's spot on the OU Usage List (60th) higher than its UU usage (63rd).
  22. Erazor

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    Oct 27, 2008
    Because those usages are on different ladders. The OU usage takes into account only its usage on the OU ladder.
  23. Jigo


    Dec 20, 2007
    You and me.

    Anyways, I'm not sure Alakazam will fair to well in UU with all of the physical priority. I do think he'll make a nice Specs user, though.

    Regarding Rhyperior, does anyone else think sand will become more common?
  24. whistle

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    Jan 18, 2009
    sand *has* gotten a lot more common in the past few weeks. i blame jak3 and superc. i think rhyperior will be hard to fit on a sand team without creating too many weakenesses to grass, water, and fighting attackers -- they are already hard-pressed to find answers to those while running a mostly useless hippopotas (he has a few niches that he excels at, but countering azumarill is not one of them).
  25. Aprovleptos


    Jul 29, 2009
    Thanks a lot Doug! I was waiting for these every day.

    Anyway, I am a bit surprised that both Garchomp's and Lugia's usage has been dropped a lot.

    I also agree with scofield that Salamence will be the #1 OU unless Garchomp or Latios come in OU

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